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Well have analysis from our roundtable and take a look at bush versus clinton. Enemies then friends from generation to generation. Its all ahead on face the nation. Good morning, welcome to face the make im john dickerson. Negotiators are working around the clock in vienna, austria to reel reach a deal over Irans Nuclear program by tomorrows deadline. Foreign Affairs Correspondent Margaret Brennan is there. Negotiators should know by tonight whether deal is possible. The russian and Chinese Foreign ministers are flying here to vienna to help make some final decisions before he headed into sunday mass at the historic st. Stevens cathedral. Secretary kerry told reporters there you few tough things left to d. The handful of contentious issues whether to phase out arms embargo that prevents iran from buying missiles and weapons also duration of restrictions on Irans Nuclear development how to rule out sanctions relief. Negotiators have written about 100 pages of an agreement and in a hopeful sign yesterday, irans state press released photos of top diplomat confidently flipping through its pages. So the hope to get deal done in the next 36 hoursa diplomat say secretary of state john kerry has been here for marathon 16 days of negotiations, they say hes obviously not rushing towards a deal and points out that this is actually the most extended stay outside the u. S. By any secretary of state in more than 30 years. Dickerson on the case in vienna, thanks. On friday we sat down with House Speaker john bane who is critical of the Nuclear Negotiations or wide ranging interview. Let me ask you about iranian negotiations going on. If the president backed out would you say good job, would you applaud him . I would. Dickerson what next . What happens, falls apart then what happens . No deal is better than a bad deal. From everything thats leak fred these negotiations, administrations backed away from almost all of the guidelines that they set out for themselves. And i dont want to see a bad deal. If in fact theres no agreement, the sanction will get back in place. At some point Iranian Regime have to change their behavior. Abandoned the efforts to get a Nuclear Weapon and stop being largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world. Dickerson what if those things dont happen . Then why the stand off. Its a lot better than legitimizing this rogue regime which is about if theres a deal thats what will happen. Dickerson a question about Hillary Clinton. She gave an interview on cnn talked about issue of her emails. Everything i did was permitted by law and regulations. Dickerson what was your response to that interview . Our committees asked for her emails going back to 2012. Weve been rolled and rolled and held off and held off now for over three years. The emails need to come forward. Got this investigation with regard to what happened in ben good oh, four americans died there. We still dont have the answers because administration and secretary clinton refuse to turn over the relevant documents for the American People to see. We are not going to walk away from this. And the state department rolling these emails that they do have over to us at rate of about 4,000 a month, this can go on for the rest of this year. Dickerson what did you make of her descriptions about the emails. She had an obligation to turn overall of the emails. Dickerson she said she didnt have to. Shes wrong. She had dickerson shes not telling the truth . She is not telling the truth. She had an obligation to turn these emails over and the ig at the state department make the determinations like they do any place else on whats official and what isnt. Dickerson are you going to take action to subpoena that server, thats what some people would like to see. Im not going to rule in or out any of those options. I would hope we wouldnt have to do that. She wants this investigation over she wants it to be cleaned up the fact is its not going to be cleaned up until they get the emails. I would hope turn them over or the state department would go after the server. Congress doesnt want the server. The state department ig is the appropriate group of people to go through these emails, to make those determinations. Dickerson but i thought congress does want the server he needs your help, you say youve been rolled for three years and what hes say song that the state department ig is the appropriate agency to decide what emails are proper and not. Dickerson talk about a candidate what is causing excitement in your party. Donald trump helping or hurting the Republican Party . I dont know whether hes helping or hurting all the candidates running for president. Clearly most of the candidates have disagreed with his assertions been regard to our border. Dickerson chairman of your party called him told him to tone it down that seems to be hes worried about the parties being defined by this very colorful character. Not just one of 16 or whatever the number is, hes putting a big spotlight on a set of comments he made about the mexicans and there are people in the party who have spoken out what also worried this is now what people worried about the Republican Party. They think about dop alleged trump. Other candidates out there have much more responsible positions in my view. Dickerson what do you make by the way of Barney Sanders and his challenge to Hillary Clinton . Hes also come out of no where. He came to congress with me in 1890. He ran as social list. Youve got one of the most liberal people in the Democrat Party running against Hillary Clinton, gaining awful lot of tracks, what does that say about the Democrat Party . The press has done awful lot to pick out all the republican candidates and get their hands oft bernie sappeddershillary fight. Dickerson what does it say about the Democratic Party . Out of step with main street america. Theres no limit to the number of taxes that Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton want to raise. Theres no limit to the amount of new government they want to create. I dont think thats what the American People want this government to go. Theyre tired of this Big Government Solutions Republicans believe in empowering people so that they can pursue their own american dream. Dickerson talk about policy issues here coming out of this debate about immigration and comments donald trump made and this horrible shooting in San Francisco of the young woman. Theres been talk about localities that dont enforce federal immigration laws. Is there any legislation coming up that would force localities to enforce old immigration. Were looking at this. These are laws they are on the books. They are required to be enforced. Theres no ifs ands or buts here. The fact is that some cities have decided to ignore the law is wrong. Its flat out wrong. Dickerson this is the socalled issue of sanctions. What those cities would say, what others would say is, theyre over run because theres been no federal answer to the immigration problem. The senn at passed the bill, came over to the house and house leaders didnt do anything. All of last year so nothings been done at the federal level theyre over run by that. John ive been trying to do Immigration Reform for four years. The president said 2 times that he didnt have the authority to do what he eventually did. What the president has done is, hes placing the wealth hes stirred up the American People such a way that almost be impossible to do Immigration Reform given the environment that were dealing with. I want to do Immigration Reform, the president knows it. I asked the president about a year ago, some ideas of things that should happen if you want to do Immigration Reform. Some things that he shouldnt do. The president didnt take my advice. He doubled down on the executive orders that far exceeds his authority, the courts have got him stopped but hes poisoned the well. Dickerson here is alternative ex plaintiff nation that ive heard, that last year he had good run and good shot to beat democrats in the election. And people in your party have been elected also strategists said lets not talk about immigration going to cause a huge civil war in the Republican Party, cause us to be distracted by our own problems. Wasnt that a reason it didnt pass, too. Not at all. Two things happened. The majority leader at the time lost his primary election some of our members thought it had something to do with Immigration Reform. In fact go back year from today with the flood of kids coming across the border and between the two the window for doing Immigration Reform last summer dissipated. But this issue needs to be dealt with its become a flit myth cat football thats been around now some 15 years is not going to get solved until the president gets serious and Congress Gets serious about resolving it. Dickerson why not just send him a bill. Make him veto it. I dont think theres that big of a difference in terms of how the reform immigration laws. Theres been a lot of bipartisan work done on this for years. I want to do it. Dickerson as a final set of questions i want to ask you a question, you are practicing catholic youve gotten the pope First Time Ever to come visit congress. About 20 years ago offered my first invitation to a pope and over the years three different times ive attempted to get the top address joint session of congress weve never had a pope come. And im really happy that the pope has accepted by invitation for a kid who grew up going to mass every morning its a pretty humbling experience. Dickerson you dont talk much about your religion i went back and read a commencement speech, you talked about your faith not as speaker but when youve been bumped out of leadership. Well, i have a very deep faith, my conversations with the lord they start in the morning early they go on all day long. You cant do this job by yourself. Dickerson is it more help in this job or when you were out of power . Its helpful all the time. Tall you will time. Dickerson Speaker John Boehner, thanks so much. Well be back in point to hear from one of the top critics of any possible deal with iran. Arkansas republican senator tom cotton. Are you moving forward fast enough . Everywhere you look, it strategy is now business strategy. And a partnership with hp can help you accelerate down a path created by people, technology and ideas. To move your company from what it is now. To what it needs to become. Dickerson were back with arkansas republican senator tom cotton. Senator, looks like theyre moving towards a deal, if a deal is pass had can you do to stop it . Well, weve been in this position before early april they said they had agreement in principle but never text to which they agreed. We dont know if there is aphemia groom this week end or not. The United States has gone way too far down the road to making concessions. The goal of these negotiations from the beginning it was to stop iran from enriching uranium. The u. N. Security council said repeatedly they have no right to enrich uranium thats been United States policy for 40 years. The president has repeatedly grand more consections to let them enrich now were talking about what kind of access well have to inspect their military sites or whether theyre going to get tens or hundreds of billions of dollars in a signed bonus, whatever deal comes out this weekend will be dangerous for United States and dangerous for the world. Dickerson gone from trying to prevent the Nuclear Program the clear goal as president said was to stop iran from developing Nuclear Weapons capability not to manage it not to limit for certain period of time but to stop them from developing it. Dickerson youve taken a position that if the United States just ratcheted up sanctions walked away from a bad deal ratcheted up sanction, is that iran would buckle and come to the table with more favorable terms. What about alternative explanation which lot of experts believe which is that they would say, forget negotiations were going to race towards break out on nuclear bomb. What do you do in that case . Raises the fundamental question about credible threat of military force. The presyears that the threat of force is on the table. Just last week in hearing Armed Services committee incoming chairman of the joints chiefs says United States military has ability to destroy Irans Nuclear facilities thats not the first choice, not the preferred choice but it has to be choice that is credible for iranians to actually reach the goal that we hoped which is giving up Nuclear Weapons capabilities. Dickerson president said if he saw iran moving toward break out do you take him at his word . The real estate question whether iranians take him at his word. Im afraid they dont because they have seen time and time that window for diplomacy never ends. Not willing to negotiate not willing to walk away from the table. Only getting more and more concession teaching iranians a very bad lesson. Thats why we should walk grey the table a long time ago and get back to that original goal of stopping iran from developing any Nuclear Weapons capabilities. Dickerson do you think this administration has helped elevate irans stature in the globe by engaging these kind of negotiations . Well unfortunate ly iran is an outlaw regime. Theyre antiamerican, theyre tear for sponsoring two days ago the supposedly moderate president of iran hopes to empower was in the streets chapping death to america. While people were burning American Flags and israeli flags. Iran is destabilizing the middle east in iraq yemen, they continue to be the worlds worst sponsor of state terrorism. By engaging in these negotiations, by granting these concessions to iran by not demanding, for instance, that iran release immediately the four hostages that iran holds who are american citizens, this administration has elevated irans role in the region, president even said that he would be happy to see iran play role of very successful regional power. Dickerson well iranians are saying, lets get past this negotiation to join with the United States in fighting isis. Dont we have Common Center theref we do could you ever see the United States at least working in parallel with iran . Well in fact iran is part of the problem with Islamic State. The president s desire to retrench entirely the middle east, create the conditions for Islamic State to arise, president s own Deputy Director of the cia said the precursor, al qaeda and iraq was defeated in 2011 was, because we did not leave in syria al qaeda iraq had chance to regroup haded space and time and iraq to become Islamic State now the president s commitment to nuclear deal with iran has tied our hands in iraq because we want to placate the shiites, not working with the sue knees and considered in the north and we dont want to take any action in syria were main client of iran. Dickerson switch from iran to the comments by incoming chairman of the joints chief of staff. You have referenced him earlier. He said in his testimony that russia was the number one threat to the United States. Do you believe that . Do you agree with that . I think russia is serious threat. Reason is they still remain one country with the capability of destroying the american way of life because of the egg see Nuclear Weapon systems they have from the soviet union. However they have that intent is open question. With iran they clearly have intent, just two days ago theirnt r president was chanting death to america and burping the American Flag with people in take ran. What we dont want to do is let regime get same capability to then use l. They strike us directly or strike our troops in east or give Nuclear Materials to terrorist organization what can then strike us. Dickerson sounds like russia is serious threat they do still have that singular capability in the world. We cant let iran get the same capabilities since they demonstrated the intent to destroy america. Dickerson senator tom cotton thank you so much. Well be right back with the president ial candidate who is bringing in the clouds by the thousands. Stay with us. 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We are 250,000 individual contributors averaging 35 a piece. We are drawing large crowds i tell you what, john, the American People understand understand that establishment economics are not working for the middle class. They want real change. They want to end the absurdity of seeing the middle class of this country continue its 40year decline, people working longer hours for lower wages. Having the highest rate of childhood poverty of any major country on earth all the while there has been massive transfer of wealth from the middle class to the top onetenth of 1 so that today almost all of the new wealth and income being created is going to the top 1 . People are saying, enough is enough. That is not what this country is supposed to be about. We want to be able to send our kids to college. We want to be able to have decent child care. We dont want to be the only major nation on earth that doesnt guarantee familiar flee and medical leave, paid sick time, paid vacation time. We want a government that starts representing work can ring families not just wealthy campaign donors. Which is what we have right now. I think that is the message that is resonating all across the country. Dickerson we had Speaker John Boehner on he said he came to congress with you and that he characterized you by saying theres not a tax increase that you havent liked. What is your response to that . He says youre out of the mainstream of america. All right. Well, let me respond to that issue by issue. And you determine who is out of the mainstream. I want to raise the minimum wage to 15 an hour. Recent wall street journal poll said majority of the American People want to do that john boehner is not going to bring up any legislation in the house to raise minimum wage. Many want to get rid of the conset of minimum wage. I want to see this country expand Social Security benefits not cut them. John boehner his party, wants to privatize Social Security or cut Social Security benefits to the elderly and disabled vets. The American People say overwhelmingly we have got to expand Social Security benefits by lifting the cap on taxable income. I want to create millions of jobs by rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure and ive introduced legislation to do that. Republican party very reluctant to spend a in this case toll rebuild our infrastructure. Dickerson senator i want i think the out of touch with the American People. Id say Republican Party is they want to give tax breaks to billionaires not help the middle class. Dickerson youve distinguished yourself from the Republican Party. Lot of the issues are going to be the topic of a speech by Hillary Clinton, your opponent in the democratic fight on monday how do you distinguish yourself from her democratic voters out there . First of all let me say this, john. I have known Hillary Clinton since she was first lady. Known her for 25 years. I like Hillary Clinton and i respect her. Im not going to engage in personal attacks against Hillary Clinton but there are differences of opinion that we have which should be the basis for a serious discussion. Number one, i have spent my political life taking on the big money interests. I have introduced legislation that would break up the large Financial Institutions on wall street. I think the bank is too big, it is too big to exist. I voted against the war in iraq. If you go to youtube, you look at what i said way back when, sadly enough bunch of what i predicted actually happened. Hillary clinton voted for the war. I believe along with pope francis, that Climate Change is one of the Great International crises that we face. I have worked as hard as i can to kill the Keystone Pipeline program. Youll have to ask Hillary Clinton what her view is on that. She has not been very clear. 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He talks about the fact that all over the world, for example, we are ignoring the need for Senior Citizens and around the world dont have the money they need for medicine. Heat their homes or eat the food, buy the food that they need to survive. He has talked about an issue, john, that i am talking about a lot. And that is young people throughout the world in our country today we have youth unemployment for white kids who graduate high school of 33 hispanic kids 36 . African American Kids 51 . What the pope is saying something wrong internationally. Where almost all of the new wealth think world is going to people on the top and so many other people are falling by the wayside. So yes, i think that pope francis has played an extraordinary role, he has been a voice of conscience all over the world speaking out for those people who dont have a voice. Those people who are suffering. Enough is enough. Money cannot be the god of life. Got to look at our kids, look at those people who are hurting weve got to come together to create a new world and not a world in which handful of people have so much wealth and so machine other people are suffering. I am a great fan of pope francis. Dickerson let me switch now to how you take your ideas and make them a reality in a political system. Let me read you something that bill shaheen, said about Hillary Clinton why he supports her. He said speaking of you and Hillary Clinton we all want the same things, the question in the final analysis is who is going be the person who is going to deliver it for you. In other words, like what youre saying but just not able to deliver in washington, whats the answer . Well, the answers i will be able to deliver in washington. I will be able to win the election, ill tell you why. Because we are going to bring more people into the process. I am going to be going around the country, not only to blue states, john but to red states, conservative states, were going to alabama, were going to mississippi. Were going to go to conservative states. Were going to talk about poverty in this country. The fact that we have 45 Million People living in poverty and highest rate of childhood poverty of major country. Were going to get Young People Working people excited and involved in the political process. Were going to grow the voter turn out reason the republicans did so well, 63 of the American People. I think message that we have is resonating, people are going to get involved in the political process, were going to drive turn out up and when we do that we win. Dickerson that sounds exactly like what we heard from senator barack obama build a movement, change washington. You dont think it worked. John, getting barack obama getting elected. Let me be clear. I think in 2008 barack obama ran one of the great campaigns in the history of the United States of record. Extraordinary grass roots campaign. Here is the mistake that barack obama made, im a friend of his, i have a lot of respect for him. Although we disagree on a number of issues. What he did after the election is what he said to the millions of people who were so excited. Thank you very much for electing me, i will take it from here. Ill sit down with john boehner i will sit down with mitch mcconnell, ill sit down with republicans and im going to negotiate some fair compromises. Truths republicans never wanted to negotiate. All they wanted to do was obstruct. What i have said throughout this campaign electing Bernie Sanders as president is not enough. Not going to do it. We need a mass Grass Roots Movement that looks to republicans in the eye says if you dont vote, demand that hell wealthy people start paying their fair of taxes, expanding Social Security were involved. Were organized, you are out of here. If you dont do the right thing. That is the only way we can take on the billionaire class. Dickerson senator Bernie Sanders, thanks so much well be right back with our panel. Can a business have a mind . A subconscious. A knack for predicting the future. Reflexes faster than the speed of thought. Can a business have a spirit . Can a business have a soul . Can a business be. Alive . One day a rider made a decision. The decision to ride on and save money. He decided to save money by switching his motorcycle insurance to geico. Theres no shame in saving money. Ride on, ride proud. Geico motorcycle great rates for great rides. Dickerson this week Hillary Clinton and jeb bush took the first shot at each other. Going to get ugly but if the past is any guide, its the beginning of a deep friendship. He doesnt believe in a path to citizenshipf did he at one time he no longer does. She cant be trusted. Theres never a straight answer. Whether its the server the emails, benghazi, just constantly validates thatth notion that there are two sets of rules. Dickerson weak character that doesnt seem very friendly. That was the way the first bushclinton relationship started 23 years ago. I want to talk about the choice that i in topped offer americans this fall. A choice between different agendas, Different Directions and, yes a choice about the character of the man you want to lead this nation. Dickerson bill clinton returned the shot and defeated george bush as calling him clueless and heartless. President is caught in the grip of failed economic theory. For most americans mr. President lifes a lot less kind and a lot less gentle than it was before your administration. Dickerson bill clinton ended the bush 41 era then welcomed the next bush, another george who wasnt any friendlier. My integrity and trustworthiness to bill clinton thats as low a blow you can give. Dickerson after the campaigns and president sees were over the three men bonded as expresident s, bush 41 and bill clinton worked on Disaster Relief after the tsunami that devastated asia. And bush 43 worked together on relief efforts after the 2010 earthquake in haiti. Now they joke about being from the same family. People began to joke that i was getting so close to bush family i had become the black sheep son. My mother told me not to talk too long today. And barbara, i will not let you down. Dickerson the harsh words of campaigns have been replaced by Mutual Respect and understanding of what the other has endured. Only five people are alive today who know how hard it is to be president of the United States. Clinton and i are getting long in the tooth these days. [ laughter ] this is the one month of the year when hes older than me. So speak for yourself. Dickerson bush and clinton say they know it could be a tough campaign but they insist they will remain friends. Could jeb and hillary one day be flipped perhaps. Being ex president is what seals the bond in 2016 that is option only available to one of them. Turn now to our panel peg knee noonan, cbs news, Travis Smiley the host of tavis smiley show. Susan page and Jeffrey Goldberg National Correspondent for the atlantic. Susan ump with those expresident s chumming it up having a good laugh at each other in dallas. They know its going to get ugly. They say that even of their friends they say that doesnt mean this campaign is going to go smoother are be nicer and againer than it would otherwise be. In fact both said theyre going to support in bushs case, his brother, and clintons case his wife. They should let it rip. They both said at the end. Day when election is over they will still be friends, they will still work on projects like the ones theyre working together on now. Dickerson jeb bush went right to the trust issue with Hillary Clinton thats not a slow escalation thats going right to the heart. How much of a how big a deal is that for her . Its about trust and about judgment you heard that in the obama and clinton war and primary of some years ago. I think it always comes down to trust, it comes down to judgment. What fascinating about this, this sort of bipartisanship sadly only happens when youre out of office to the point you just made, ever find a way to use some of that bipartisanship in office it might make a difference. The other thing, i dont want to douse the excitement here about this great conversation that they had the other day. I think also adds to the cynicism that exists in the american public, when they see this chummy gentlemens club, republican or democrat boys club not about policy, not about making america a better nation. Its about a handful of people get chance to do this its a boy boys club that adds to the cynicism that exists in our country. Dickerson what they say in the campaign is just ephemeral. Just politics. Look these are two dynasties. Two political families that have been at the top level of American Power for a few generations now. I think theyre taking shots at each other to try to show their own followers its not that chummy at the top. Actually can be serious, we can take a few shots of each other. Theyre trying to prove that its not this chummy elite up at the top by taking shots at each other. Dickerson Martin Omalleys line, the president is the crown you pass back and forth. Jeffrey, i want to ask you chip of switching to democratic politics. Coordinated attempt by Clinton Campaign this week in different places saying were taking Bernie Sanders very very seriously. What did you make of that . Its useful to build up a candidate they believe. Unless they have radical misunderstanding of american politics, they believe correctly never get the democratic nomination. Hes 73yearold self professed socialist from the peoples republican of burlington vermont. Hes not going to get the nomination. Its useful when they do vanquish him to say, we took on a huge juggernaut of a candidate. You know what strikes me, your interview, hes having a great time. He is a joyful warrior out there, same thing could be said of donald trump on the other side. I wonder about the power the contrast with Hillary Clinton who seems like hes not having a great time out on the campaign trail. I think voters understand that they like to see somebody who is engaged, exciteed. I was suggesting that Hillary Clinton needed a challenge from her left. This is exactly what i was talking about. I like Hillary Clinton a lot. But left to their own devices they find way to move to the middle, get that leadership council, you have guy from your left like Bernie Sanders pushing you on minimum wage and pushing you on income equality and economic immobility. The speech tomorrow will be what we want to hear. Dickerson thats exactly hes not going to become president but he has tugged the presumptive nominee to the left. That is his achievement. Both are the bombastic bushkins of the cycle. Bernie sanders function, i think, as aebuke to the elite. And rebuke to the way things are. And it is a populous. Its right into people, i know how you feel about things, it aint fair. I want you to put Bernie Sanders and donald trump in two different categories. Donald trump was not a rebuke but thats not to say about income and equal i dont think its the same. But it has the same populous feel. Coming from a different place on policies they are appealing to people who are ticked off. How things are going. Susan how much of a threat is it for the Republican Party, there are lot of democrats who are saying either theyre a happy, or more saying that is hurting the republicans, is it really hurting the party . Absolutely. I think it is. I think donald trump is a big threat to the republicans chances winning the white house because hes defining the party as party that is really harsh on hispanic voters that republicans need to do better. The other candidates are not rebuking him in a serious way. You dont have serious contenders saying in a way this is not where we are because makes them a little nerve us. Im surprised that jeb bush doesnt done that. Its so tailor made for him. He did try to make a distinction, he did make a distinction with trump he called him out on comments that it doesnt represent the party. Is there way which by throwing wrench into the works forces jeb bush to say here is exactly what we believe. That ends up helping jeb bush. I think if were talking moral conviction and righteous indignation, jeb bush ought to have been the person to have done this right now and quicker than at once. Number one. Number two its not just about pushing trump back because hes wrong on the issue, again this is about moral convision. Here is the question i want to put out here. If a black president ial candidate had used the unrepentant in charleston, south carolina, to bash every white male in the country the way this rich white elitist donald trump has used a murder in San Francisco to bash the entire undocumented worker community, would the media have cover understand story the way they did, would it have the leg that it had . Im telling you its the worst day i think its bad example of our profession in the way weve cover understand donald trump story. This would not have happened if anybody else had been bashing an entire community. The media wouldnt have jumped on the story. They would have killed it. Dickerson jeffreya question about donald trump. Isnt the worry that he becomes an independent . Worry about what he might do to the party but what happens if he left the party . Sure way to guarantee is have donald trump run as an pinned dent. He can can the ross perot of the cycle. He has tremendous power to draw media attention, draw these crowds of angry people. He could really do damage to the republicans that way i think that is probably one of the concerns. It doesnt mitigate the fact that from a moral perspective, yes, and from a they have to come out. You cant talk about mexicans this way. What were talking about now jeffreys the politics. Way that donald has done what hes done this week. What im talking about is the lack of moral consciousness on the part of those who cover this story for letting someone get away with pushing the facts are in controvertible l. Is no link between undocumented workers that are spike in crime and fact that weve cover understand story, like its a real issue is as sign. Its nor man that. If you watch the speech that he gave yesterday this is guy who steams like hes ready to launch a drone attack on macys. We havent seen the media cover this in all of this eccentricity to be polite. That is part of the issue that you might be getting at which is, wait a second this guy is not Bernie Sanders, not going to get policy critique. Hes stream of consciousness. Its like freestyle not normal in the course of events. Dickerson peggy, weigh in here. My gosh, theres so to have say about trump we almost need two hours on him. I think two things are being overlooked about him. One, what he is saying to people apart from the issues you raise very important, ive written about them. I think we all have. But hes looking at an American People who for 15 years have been looking at washington and saying, do us a favor, for now just get control of the border. Then well talk about how we deal with all of our immigration laws. They have been looking at washington saying please do this, no matter who is in power in washington washington will not do that to the satisfaction of the American People. Second thing should not forget trump was talking about jobs. Its a huge issue. We have entrenched unemployment problem here. Dickerson hes channeling a lot of that frustration. Im going to have to interrupt. Well be right back. Stick with us well be right back with our panel with more. Dickerson were back with more. Jeffly i want to talk abate perming iran daniel. We dont know the details. I talked to senator cotton what would happen if the president had walked away. He believes that tougher sanction would have brought iran back to the table with under better terms. Walk us through the alternative explanationf the president had just walked away . This is the saving grace of the Obama Administration right now is that no one has come up with a plausible alternative to this deal that doesnt lead to open competition, possibly regional war. Now, we dont know whats inside the negotiations, just like when you buy a car you walk out thinking i dont know, maybe i could have gotten for 400 less. Youll never really know what you got. We dont nope the deal yet. But the answer republicans give they should have gotten a harder deal. We dont know if they could have gotten a harder or better deal on this. The problem with the republicans will have Going Forward is, if you rejected the deal iranians will be free to go to nuclear break out. President has said that he will not allow to get Nuclear Weapon what r one plus one equals two. Military confrontation does not solve your problem it possibly whole new set of problems including constant warfare. Not only in the persian gulf but across the middle east and terrorism internationally. Until they come up with a solution to this that doesnt lead to another fullon military confrontation in the persian gulf, the Obama Administration ascertain arguments on his side. Dickerson what do you expect if there is a deal how this will play out in the campaign, in the president ial campaign. We dont nope what the deal s. When the agreement came out it was better deal than americans all expected than conventional wisdom had been. I think its an issue, it will be partisan issue i would expect. I would expect Hillary Clinton to think its a good deal. The question may come down, i think senator cotton said resolution of approval likely to pass. Might get 60 votes. Then question will be for president obama does he veto it force them to come up with even more votes to disapprove this deal and if he does that, that means he is passing that deal on the basis of perhaps as few as 34 votes in the senate that is a risky problem. Dickerson can a president do that . He needs the kind he Needs Congress behind him. It is good to have congress behind you. You know what i think would be part of how this plays out i kind of think people sense the president obama that when hes inould you barks iran whoever, he always signals that he needs it too much. Always puts his face on that he always has people leak this is very important to us its part of our legacy, stuff like that. Thats not a good negotiating approach. The deal in the end may be good in a way, i dont think were going to know. Its going to be a guesswork. It will always have that over play he always wants it too much. Dickerson where do you think his shed on this . This is so interesting talking about legacy. I think if the deal turns out to be stronger i remember he blew past the deadline he cant cave when said this is the deadline, no, were going to keep going. If that is i think you can actually credit gay marriage in a strange way for a tougher deal. I mean the president needs a legacy now less than he used to because of his momentous week. The trade deal and obamacare and supreme court, gay marriage. I think his legacy from their perspective in the white house is set. I think that you might see deal be somewhat tougher, hoping at least that you see the deal being somewhat tougher because president might be thinking now that he needs this slightly less than he used to. I will grant you that they do signal that they want this a little bit too much. This is now slightly less important from a political perspective. Dickerson this white house has not that i i believe, this is what were talking about a point. That administration has done really bad job since day one in negotiations from healthcare on down of negotiating against themselves. I think that has been a problem. Having said that i think your point leads me to this conclusion which is that there is going to have to be a deal here. I think jeffrey this deal is too big to fail. Put so much on this now dickerson thats last word. Thank you all very much. Well be right back. Dickerson thats it for us today. Thanks for watching. Until next week for face the nation, im john dickerson. Captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org announcer the following is a paid advertisement for the revolutionary 21 day fix brought to you by beachbody. Thank you [ laughs ] hello there. Im tom bergeron, and this show is about transforming how you look and feel, starting right now. Announcer are you struggling right now to lose weight . Ive struggled with my weight my entire life. I really want to. Lose this. 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