About her death . She had had communications with at least two other men. He asked me, do you know who she was seeing . From the shadows of the internet to the depths of the human heart. He was very controlling, and he was losing control. December 1st, 2011. One of those days that make teeth chatter, joints creek, raw, damp, dismal. Austin star buck then 21 years old was nearing the end of his shift at a glass installation park in deer park, washington half an hour north of spokane when his phone chirped, text messaged. It was from logan. Logan, his younger sister at school. She said im cold. Come pick me up. But where was the mother . Wasnt she supposed to be there . Austin dutifully collected his sibling as the cold gray afternoon darkened. I took him to my dads house where i had a key. Evening came. The kids call the cell. Not afraid. More like irritated. It had happened by then of course. Though as the children bedded down at their Fathers House they never guessed it. Wouldnt understand for days. Everything about life was different now. Nothing made any sense at all. Unbelief. Was unbelief. Reporter a friend named summer starks put the words to it, so impossible that she of all people. It was hard to wrap your mind around that it had occurred. Reporter but apparently it was possible. Chanin starbuck, mother of five, was dead, dead in a way that made skin crawl. She had been so many things, mother, artist, woman on the brink of something new. Chanin was funny, she was vivacious. She liked to joke around and have a good time. But classy. Always very, very classy. Reporter the two older sons austin and blake remember how she stood out, even if it embarrassed them a little sometimes. She would embroider our names and numbers on all the Baseball Team our Baseball Team, all our hats. The only team with our name and numbers on the back of our hats. Reporter chanin tried to stitch her deep mormon faith into their lives, too. How was she with the kids . I wouldnt hesitate saying she was a good mother. Reporter this is their dad, Clay Starbuck who was a boy on vacation from alaska when he laid eyes on her in florida 20 years ea i told her that i lived in alaska. She probably thought she was lucky that she wouldnt see me again. I dont know how that. Reporter but she did. They married within months and settled in alaska where clay worked on the pipeline, started a family right away. And there were issues. Arent there always . Clay wasnt interested in church, not the way she was. She wanted you to be there. Yeah, i couldnt. I couldnt meet her there. It is a big issue. And im not sitting here saying i was right and it had to be my way or she was wrong. Thats not an issue at all. We were different. Reporter they divorced in 2000, hot and cold. Theyd lasted ten years that time. Yes, that time. Full of hope and good will, they tried again in 2006, they remarried, moved to washington state, set up a house in deer park. And from there clay commuted up to his job in alaska, which meant he had to be gone weeks at a time. So when he came home the kids and i were about playing catch, playing frisbee, playing basketball. Reporter having fun . Yeah. So it wasnt uncommon to i know chanin said it several times. Make reference to me being a disneyland dad. And her eyes that probably that probably was true because she was making dinners and taking care of the kids and trying to maintain the house. Reporter though it was up and down, good and bad. Chanin and i never fully recovered. Reporter it was 2010 when they filed for divorce the second time. They decided to live apart, but close to each other. He got a house near chanin. The two eldest boys, austin and blake, chose to live with him, the three youngest stayed with their mom. They saw their dad a lot, especially during the last months of 2011. Clay was on disability, a back injury, he was home. His income vastly reduced, but like swapping days for taking the kids to and from school. Id go over and pick up the kids and take them to school and sometimes shed pick them up and take them back. And we just, you know, it just worked out. Reporter or at least it did until that dismal afternoon, december 1st, 2011, the day chanin failed to show up after school. Mind you, they werent worried, said clay, they all knew chanin had started dating again, so maybe she went out, lost track of time. A mixup. So my thoughts werent that anything serious happened to her. Reporter you thought she was with a guy. I thought she was with a guy. I thought it just probably went late, theyre having a good dinner. Reporter but the next day, one of the kids texted grandmother shannons mother in florida, had she heard from their mother . And that was alarming. I text chanin. And i never got anything back. And i called, and her phone box was full. And i knew something was wrong. Reporter she felt the panic rise in her throat, called shannons sister amy and brother steven. She said it was very unlikely that chanin wouldnt return her calls. Because they spoke every day. They talked every single day. 9 00. They knew everything that was going on in each others lives. So mom continually tried to contact chanin, tried talking to the kids, finding out what was going on. Reporter clay called the cops, asked them to check shannons house. That was december 2nd in the evening. So its, you know, find her. Reporter sheriffs deputies went over there had a good look around outside and left. But channins family in florida insisted something was wrong. It had to be. And her friend summer said shed never not pick up her kids at school then ignore their calls. I knew that she doted on her kids. She loved them. Reporter it was saturday morning before her mother got through to the Sheriffs Office and a deputy met her landlord, got him to open up the house. Two deputies went inside and right away radioed for backup. They had found her dead, her body on her bed and displayed in such a way that detectives knew her killer had more than just murder on his mind. The crime scene would raise more questions than answer and so would a tip from someone close to chanin. He says, look at your phone and computer. It will tell you what you need to know. vo get iphone 8 and get a second one to gift on us with sprint flex. Plus upgrade to the latest iphone anytime with iphone forever. For people with hearing loss, hows that for a holiday tip . Visit sprintrelay. Com. Advil liquigels minis. Our first concentrated pill that rushes powerful relief. A small size. Thats fast, cause its liquid. Youll ask. What pain . Advil liquigels minis. From far away. But they honly see his wrinkles. Better find a way to smooth things over. If only harry used some. Bounce, to dry. Yeah he would be a less wrinkly, and winning at life. 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Do they know . Do they know whats happened . They dont know they just lost their mother, they just lost their mom. Reporter and thousands of miles away in florida, chanins brother steven heard it first from the local sheriff and phoned his younger sister. So i called amy and told amy, you need to meet me at moms. And she could tell something was wrong, and she started crying immediately. I knew. So i hightailed it to moms. We walked in together. And he broke the news. Looked at mom and told her she was gone. And i just backed up, and i screamed, no no. It cant be true. But she was, she was gone. Reporter the detectives did not provide the ugly details, didnt tell anybody about that at first. That chanin had been left mostly naked on her bed posed pornographically with a sex toy, and before she took her last breath sheriffs detective mike rickets knew she suffered. She was strangled. I believe she was tortured. And she was beat badly. Reporter inconceivable. Why would anyone do such a thing . And why her when she was just starting over in life . After she and clay called it kwitsz that second time in 2010 she went back to school to become a dental assistant. She presented herself in a very modest, a very conservative family woman sort of way. Reporter these are chanins classmates. They looked up to her as sort of a cross between a den mother and an extrafun older sister. Shes like the epitome of what you would expect of a dental assistant. Her big beautiful teeth and her laugh and just the smile. I can still hear her laugh. Love it. Very approachable. Reporter busy as she was, said her school friend, she always seemed to have time for well, anyone who needed her. She was very strong, to be able to do that. Because thats a very hard program. Reporter sure. Especially with children. With a family to attend to, and she was top of the class, which did she graduate honors or something . Reporter yes, she did. An excellent student with finally some prospects of her own. Her ex, clay, said he was happy about that. We were looking forward to her achieving her independence. Our whole family was. Reporter including you . Absolutely. Reporter but here was the strange thing. It seemed to her friends that chanin was in some sort of crisis in the months before her death. She was upbeat one minute, distraught the next. Shes not public. She doesnt wanter reporter there arent that many of those people left these days. But like we would come into school, come in for class in the morning and wed see her crying in her truck. Reporter was it her exhusband, her kids or maybe some new man . There were one or two new men, that is. And a couple times id ask her if she was dating. She showed me a picture of this one guy, her friend, that they would chat. Reporter met them online, said chanin. Her friend summer starks was the one that encouraged her to get out there again. I tried to set her up, but it didnt work out. I said why dont you go date . Just go out. Reporter nothing serious, though. Not yet. Maybe she was finally having some fun. I thought it would have been great if she could have just focused on a little portion of herself, you know, a little bit, yeah. She deserved that. And her love life wouldnt have been anybody elses business if it hadnt been for what happened, but now detectives went digging into hidden places. People she saw in private, things she did she might not want the world to know. If there were secrets, and though there were, they were about to be exposed. One of those secrets was right here on the dead womans cell phone. There was a text message to chanin asking her to pose in a specific way. The pose . It was one the investigators had seen before, at the crime scene. In this home. We count our blessings. Uh, this one. Both when theres a little there you go. What matters most is made at home. Now with more icing. 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Reporter who could be so cruel . Well, of course, its the homicide detectives job to figure that out. It could mean many things, it could mean somebody very close to her that was very upset and angry with her, or it could mean somebody else. Reporter the investigation began the very day chanins body was found. As luck would have it, among thosst police tape that night was a man that police surely would have looked up sooner or later, didnt have to. Chanins exhusband clay was clearly looking for them. What was going on, he wanted to know. His exwife was missing. Was she okay. He was asking to talk to the lead detective, he wanted some answers. Reporter First Responders at the scene wouldnt tell them anything about what was found inside the house, not even that chanin was dead. An exhusband after all is no longer next of kin. So clay went down to the sheriffs station where he met detective jim dressback. Come in, we need to have a chat. His response was, well, your jacket says major crimes. Whats going on . Nobody will tell me anything. Reporter the detective broke the news, chanin was gone. Waited for clay to collect himself. And then i start by asking him very simple things. Give me a little bit about chanins history. Is she on medication, does she have any enemies . You know . And what i ask everybody in that situation is what do you think happened. He asked me do you know anybody who wants to harm her, do you know when she was seen, do you know when were you over there . When did you see her last . Do you have any idea of these things . Reporter clay recalled telling the detective he knew his wife had been dating again. In fact, he was pretty sure that chanin had a profile on a website that caters to mormon singles. I say, well, last i knew she was there was lds planet website, and i dont know. I dont have any idea who shes seeing. Youd need to look or talk to somebody else. Reporter they would talk to plenty of others. That was just day one in the investigation. As a logical step in a case like this, the ex himself would have to be checked out thoroughly. But right then the detective had no more for Clay Starbuck. I said well talk to you again later. Why dont you go talk to your kid. Recalled, Clay Starbuck seemed eager to help. He told jim dressback look at her phone and her computer. It will tell you what you need to know. Reporter no detective worth his salt needed to be told that. Chanin starbucks cell phone was right there in the bedroom. Couldnt miss it, said detective lyle johnston. The phone was sitting on a table right next to her bed just a couple of feet from her body. Reporter like shed just been using it or something. Correct. I wanted to look at the cell phone right away because it would tell us who she may have been in contact with last. Reporter there was a text message from clay from thursday morning telling chanin he had car trouble, asking her to take the kids to school. Then later some exchanges about who would pick them up. Not terribly interesting stuff except that wasnt all they found on Chanin Starbucks phone and the what else that was there was very interesting. She had had communications with at least two other men. Two of them. Reporter now, that got the detectives attention. Then it fairly jumped at them, a particular text, a request, very specific, very explicit one. There was a text message to chanin asking her to pose a specific way. Reporter the hair rose on rickets neck. That was almost exactly the way the killer posed chanins body. A coincidence . The detective had to think it was anything but. Investigators took a hard look at two men chanin seemed to have contact with the day of her murder. 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Its beginning to look a lot like christmas strange the small things that can offer comfort, however cold, in the midst of horror. Once, long before her death, chanin told wanted her funeral to be. Morbid talk back then. Now a blessing in the midst of so much grief. So mom was able to give chanin what she wanted for a funeral, if that was something you really want. Reporter her old classmates went to the funeral and brought along the candy they used to share cramming for tests. I felt kind of silly, but then i didnt feel silly because somebody else brought chocolate and set it up there, too, i wasnt the only one. Reporter but nothing could sweeten the bitterness, nothing. The children were allowed to see her, and i remember him saying he was looking at her and he said, it doesnt look like mom. And i dont think he even recognized her. Reporter thats how badly shed been beaten. It made her family furious that someone did that to her. So in the days that followed, they seethed. Quite unaware that investigators thought they had a huge break in their hunt for her killer. Lead detective mike rickets. They were normal Text Messages, then they moved into more sexually suggestive Text Messages. Reporter on the last day she was seen alive, chanin exchanged Text Messages with men shed apparently been seeing. Rocketing to the top of the list of potential suspects was the gentleman who sent her that sexually explicit text asking her to pose a certain way, take a picture and send it to him. It was alarming because the text mimicked somewhat what we found at the crime scene as far as chanin being posed. Reporter chanin did not take or send the picture, but the request . That wasnt just a red flag to investigators. That was a cannon shot. Within a matr phone. After all, his number was right there in chanins cell. I told him who i was, and asked him if i could come speak with him. And he stated yes. Reporter he was a car salesman from spokane named tom walker and in his recorded interview with sheriffs detectives he told them he had nothing to hide. I texted at 8 06. Good morning, sexy. She texted me back, good morning, handsome. Reporter he admitted trying to sext with chanin that morning. But he was nowhere near her house. He said he was at work and at a funeral that day. Were you at work all day thursday . Except for the funeral. Did you have any involvement in her death . No. Detectives took a dna sample and started taking a hard look at tom walkers alibi. The problem was she werent exactly sure whech killed. Besides they still had lots of other people to interview. Thats what happens in a Murder Investigation. Everybody gets pulled in, especially those close toast the victim. Detectives even called chanins eldest son austin in for questioning. They asked me how our relationship was. Reporter austin lived with his father and told the police that, yes, he was closer to his dad since his parents split up. And if the question seemed cruel, well, the adult son had to be looked at, eliminated, if possible. Did it feel weird to be put in the position of suspicion like that . Yeah. He tried more leaning on me, like did you do it . Did you do it . It wasnt like, i know you did it. It wasnt like that. But he made me stand up. And i worked at a glass company. I actually cut glass. I had some older cuts on my hands. Where did you get that one from . Reporter of course they talk to the other man in the family, too, dwight, then 18 and, naturally, the exhusband, clay. What was he doing on december 1st, the day chanin went missing, the day she likely died . He told me at that time that his car had broken down on high desert drive in deer park. Reporter clay said he spent the day fixing his car. Never saw chanin at all. So who, if anyone, was chanin with that day . As detectives continued to dig, they found what might be an answer right there in chanins phone. A message from a different man, one named john wilson. Chanin, this is john wilson. Reporter he seemed to be messaging chanin on her phone using another name just wondering 06. It appeared from the communications that they were trying to meet, set up a date or they were going to meet on december 1st, 2011. Reporter the very day detectives believe chanin was murdered. But when they traced that phone number from which this john wilson called, they found themselves looking at a public pay phone. But when they googled the name john wilson and justwondering06 they found profiles on dating sites and facebook and quickly realized this man wasnt who he appeared to be. It was a pretty minimal site. Reporter but a photograph purporting to be this john wilson guy . Correct. We found that hed actually stolen it from another persons website, a doctor who lived in new york city. 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Reporter hiding under one particular rock was one very likely suspect, the man calling himself john wilson, who planned to meet with chanin on december 1st, the last day she was seen alive. Detectives quickly figured out that he was some kind of an impostor, had posted a fake picture in his Online Dating profile. And had been communicating with chanin from locations clearly designed to hide his real identity. They were all public places, public phones, universities, places like that. Reporter boy, this guys been careful . Right, hes doing everything from public locations. Reporter what does all this sort of thing tell you . It caused us a lot of concern that this certainly could be our suspect. Reporter they traced one of the pay phones he used to call chanin. It was here outside the university library. It happened to have a surveillance camera. Was this john wilson . Only one way to find out. Detective johnston sent him an instant message of his own. Identified myself as being from the Sheriffs Office and said, i need to talk with you about Chanin Starbuck. And i bet it wasnt 20 minutes my phone rang. Reporter it was him, all right. And yes, he told the detective he knew Chanin Starbuck, yes, the two had been seeing each other, but he was very hesitant to identify himself. I asked him for his name, who it was that i was speaking to. Reporter sounded a bit shady to the investigator. Distrustful. It was obvious that he didnt seem to believe that i was with the Sheriffs Office either. Reporter Mike Griffiths was listening in on the conversation and scribbled a note. Tell him that we need to have his true identity shortly or im going to post this picture and show it all over the media and ill find out who he is. At that point he told me his true name. Reporter suddenly wanted to cooperate. Well, he didnt really want to, but he expressed the fact that hed been having an affair. He was married. Reporter that was his explanation for the fake name, the skulking around, hiding from his wife, he said. His name, his real name, was john kenlein. He was a school teacher. He agreed to talk to the detective in person but asked to have the conversation at the office of his lawyer. A man named robert cossey. Hes completely stressed out. He is completely worried about his personal life, his professional life. This interview is done with your permission and your attorneys . Yeah. Tell me, if you can, how december 1st panned out . Reporter december 1st, the last day chanin was seen alive. Detectives already knew the answer from messages on chanins phone the man they were talking to had plans to meet chanin at house. But they wanted to see if hed tell the truth. At 10 30, i was at her house. I knocked on the door. What he told us was that he made prior arrangements to meet with chanin. Reporter he went to her house. He did. Reporter only she never answered the door, he said. So then he went to a public phone to call, left a voice message. Hey, chanin, this is john wilson. I thought id call you back to see what today looks like. Reporter he even stopped by her house again, frustrated, peered through her windows. Didnt see anything, he said. And then he told detectives he spent the rest of the day and into the evening exchanging messages with chanin. I texted her and i got a text message in reply from her that and she says something to the effect of, how about tonight . Or later tonight . Reporter he really wanted to see her . Right. Reporter but never did. Or at least he said he never did. Right. Reporter it was, however, a problem with his story. For much of december 1st, john kenlein couldnt tell detectives if anyone had seen him. In other words, no one to really back up important portions of his alibi. Detective mike rickets didnt know what to think. Here is an individual thats going to Great Lengths to hide his identity, but at the same time here is an individual that is being as detailed as he possibly can in providing us as much information as he can. So i was on the fence, but it was someone that we had to investigate. Reporter boy, did they ever. To see if the school teacher, chanins mystery man, was cover up a crime, detectives waded through all of his communications with her. We didnt let the idea go that he could still be our killer. I dont remember the number of days, but it was a week or two after the homicide that we even realized chanin had called 911. Reporter 911 . Spokane county sheriffs detectives were about to discover a new piece of evidence. It was a recording eerie and garbled and fleeting and it might just be enough to help solve a murder. A break and a shock. It hit me really hard. It was like a rock in my stomach. 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The other sent chanin a racy text message that almost mimicked the crime scene. They offered alibis, of course, but since the detectives didnt know exactly when chanin died, they couldnt check them out. Funny how one little break can make all the difference. It hit me really hard. It was like a rock in my stomach. Reporter detective mike rickets wasnt expecting it, not at all, that piece of evidence that suddenly surfaced weeks into the case. His colleague detective lyle record of the calls dialed from chanins phone. And there it was staring back at him. The records that we get from the phone company reflect a 911 call. Reporter a 911 call. 9 17 a. M. December 1st, not long after chanin dropped the kids off at school, the 911 operator failed to properly file the call with the sheriffs department. You may not know this, but some cell phones dont store 911 calls in their call list, an effort to protect callers in dangerous situations like somebody had been kidnapped, say. So all that meant detectives trying to solve a murder had no idea chanin called 911 until they got the records from her wireless carrier. Were you able to find out what was in the 911 call, how long it lasted, when it came . Yes, they were able to based on date and time find a recording of the exact call. Rep seconds long. It started with a noise. Could you hear it . You could. And, unfortunately, for the 911 call operator, i believe he talked over it and he didnt hear it. 911, what are you reporting . Reporter so brief, so garbled that listening to it now, they became convinced this must have been chanin as she was being attacked. 9 17 a. M. 911, what are you reporting . Hello . What it sounded like was if somebody was struggling over the phone. You could definitely hear a females voice kind of urgh. But thats all it amounted to. Reporter but who was the attacker, the car salesman, the teacher, or somebody else . Back over those alibis and compare them to the time of the 911 call. They started with the salesman, tom walker. Were you at work all day thursday . Except for the funeral. Reporter his phone never pings off any of the towers in the deer park region. Hes at work on december 1st. He attends a funeral. We confirmed that. Reporter the salesman, the guy who sent that racy request for a photo, was in the clear. That left the school teacher, john kenlein. He admitted he was actually outside the Deer Park House that morning, 10 30, but in the hour before that, when it appeared chanin was being attacked according to the 911 call, he said he was not at Chanin Starbucks house but at a star bucks in spokane getting coffee, a specific frappuchino that the store had a record of selling. I hear there was a great todo about whether he ordered some specific and unusual drink. Correct. Thats the case. He purchased coffee at about the same time the 911 call had come in. It was just a little variation in time. But well within the timeframe that he couldnt have been at starbucks and he couldnt have been in deer park at the same time. Reporter and so the man who once looked so suspicious convinced detectives he was telling the truth. They looked at him every which way you could be looked at. They checked out every part of his story, and every single fact, everything that he told them checked out 100 . Reporter now he just had to deal with his wife. And detectives . They went back through the list of possible suspects. Chanins killer was still out there. A killer, judging from the story chanins friends were telling, might have been building up to an attack. During the last six months of chanins life, said summer stark, her friend was convinced somebody was out to get her. Chanins house had been broken into and minor things. Moving the things or the barbecue would be messed up, knocked over, lights would be unscrewed. You could tell somebody had been in, but things werent missing sometimes. Just odd things that you would notice just werent right when you would come home. Reporter chanin filed police reports. The incidents were investigated but never solved. Chanin had been accusing clay. Chanin thought clay was behind everything that was happening, that he was either trying to scare her or trying to assess a way into her home. Reporter but the police didnt find any evidence of that. And clay said the idea was ridiculous. Besides, he said, he was in alaska on at least one of those strange disturbances supposedly happened. At first i was like, no way, i didnt do that. Then the date hits me. And im like, well, for sure, i didnt do that. Reporter in fact, he said, he and chanin got along better than most divorced couples. Chanin and i made things work. We would text or say, hey, ill get the kids. I know next weekend is my weekend, but can you take them that weekend . Reporter but now that chanin was dead, detectives had to rethink her suspicions as related to them by summer. And she wasnt the only person who viewed chanin and clays relationship through something other than rosetinted glasses. Chanins siblings, for example, who said chanin accused clay of cheating on her, claimed that was the reason for both divorces. And the last breakup was so nasty they said that in the months before chanin died clay stopped paying Child Support. We were paying her rent. Power. Paying food for her children. She was going to the food bank for food. My mother was paying for her school and her computers. Reporter fascinating how the issues of a divorce can seem to change depending on whos doing the looking. Now the detectives were. And they were right back where they started. A home surveillance cam provides a clue that reboots the investigation. What did you think about that . I thought he was lying. I used to ask if you can hear me now, but i made the smart choice hi, im paul. And switched to sprint. These days all networks are great. 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As detectives go through their list of potential starbucks in the murder of Chanin Starbuck they at least make the kind of progress that comes from dead ends. I was able to eliminate tom walker. I was able to eliminate john kenlein. Reporter so one name they hadnt quite been able to cross off their list seemed more and more important. Clay starbuck was never eliminated as the suspect. Reporter Clay Starbuck, the exhusband, and by now they had Something Else to consider a slew of unflattering tidbits from chanins family. He was constantly trying to belittle her and make her feel like she was inanimate. I always thought he was a creep. Reporter those dental School Classmates were eager to pass on a few of the stories chanin told them about clay. He was always bugging her, i guess, if you will, wondering what you know, what are you doing . Or can you do this . Or trying to keep her in a yeah. Reporter clay wouldnt leave her alone, some kind of control freak. They didnt know clay, of course, never met him. But their opinion went from bad school visibly upset one day telling them that clay sent her a gift, a sex toy. It was in like a little gift bag, if you will, hanging off her door knob. With a note. With a note. From clay. That said that said, here, enjoy. I cant have you so you can have this. Or Something Like that. He was very jealous. He was very controlling. And he was losing control. Reporter still, said summer, it seemed almost like a joke the first time chanin wondered out loud if clay might try to hurt her. I told her quit being so dramatic. Shes kind of being a drama queen. And you know, thats ridiculous. That only happens in the movies and i just said youre just so full of it. Reporter but according to summer, chanin was scared, particularly after the windows were mysteriously shot out of the car parked in her driveway. Chanin changed the locks in her house, didnt even give the kids a key, telling friends she was afraid clay would find a way to steal a copy. She was very vocal about her fear that he would kill her. Reporter hardly surprising those stories would tend to put a sinister spin on everything that police observed about clay, starting with that very first Police Interaction the day chanins body was discovered. Detective dressback thought something was off the minute clay arrived at the station and he told clay the news. And he goes, oh, my gosh, what happened to my wife. I said, well shes dead. And his knees buckled and everything became very histrionic crying and wailing, and that was okay for a while. But it became ridiculous. Reporter ridiculous . It became ridiculous. Reporter even more ridiculous, more suspicious, said the detective, was when clay, told he was free to go, didnt. Then i couldnt get rid of him. He would not leave me alone. Reporter kept wanting to talk. He kept wanting to talk. What he kept telling me was the same thing over again. Look on her phone, look on her computer, that will tell you everything you need to know. Reporter its suspicious to you but its not really evidence. No, not necessarily. Its suspicious, circumstantial, but suspicious to me. Reporter which meant that right there on day one clay needed to be checked out but good, and they began with his alibi for that december morning. His day started with car trouble and his text to chanin. Asking her to take the kids to school. He said he spent much of december 1st walking between his home and the spot the car broke down, about a mile away. He told me that he had to go back and forth to his residence four times that day to work on his car and get tools, to eat, to take a nap. Reporter but detectives couldnt find anyone along that route who remembered seeing clay. And another odd thing, his cell no pings to trace. But in the area clay said he walked, a little shoe leather produced a stroke of luck attached to a house. There was a camera on the side of the house. Reporter a home surveillance camera pointed in the very direction they remembered clay telling them he walked. And no sign of clay as far as they could tell. I mean, theres no indication that he ever passed by there that day. Reporter what did you think when you saw that . I thought that he was lying. Reporter one statement that looked like a lie, one dead cell phone, a complaint about overdue Child Support and a bunch of tales about alleged threatening behaviors, which, try as they might, they couldnt verify. The detectives didnt have enough for an arrest let alone a murder charge. They needed something more, something to tie clay directly to the crime scene. And . Enter the dna. I believe it was january 24th, 2012, when i obtained the initial dna report several samples from chanins body for dna testing. Thought the most important thing would be from her neck where she was strangled and her fingernails as she fought off her attacker. Some of the samples came back labeled unknown male. Which didnt match any of the known suspects, but some other of the dna material could be narrowed down to a very small pool of candidates. Starbuck male. Clay starbuck or Austin Starbuck or blake starbuck. Reporter there was no getting around it, dna didnt lie, after all. Detectives were now convinced that a starbuck male killed chanin. But which one . Was it possible one of chanins own sons killed her . Not a chance, said detective rickets. We obtained records that indicated they were at work and at school. We eliminated them as suspects. Reporter only one man left standing now, no on february 6th, 2012, two months after they found the body of Chanin Starbuck, they arrested clay and charged him with murder. It was the moment chanins siblings and mother had been waiting for. When clay was arrested, it was a big relief. We felt as though clay should have been arrested right off the bat. I knew that he was the one that murdered her. Reporter it was, of course, a victory for the detectives, too, but it came at a terrible price. I didnt want it to be Clay Starbuck. I didnt want to take those childrens father from them. Reporter chanin and clays five children, still in shock over their mothers death, now had another blow to absorb. Chanins brother was especially worried about the three Young Children in the family. That means they have no guardian then, so we all just decided that iul that we try to get custody of the kids and get them out of that situation. Reporter but the starbuck children werent going anywhere. Austin, just 21, filed to be the guardian for his younger siblings so they could all Stay Together and fight together for their dad. Its hard to grieve, you know, over our mother when were fighting for our dads innocence. Reporter yes, they said, their dad was innocent. And if that meant sacrificing their mothers good name to save their dad, so be it. Chanins private life was about to become very public. We can verify at least ten men that she was meeting with electronically, most of which a string of strangers, now potential suspects. In a new lincoln with zero down and a complimentary first months payment. When my smile is bright, i feel ready to shine. Some whitening toothpastes only remove surface stains, colgate optic white high impact white is different. It has hydrogen peroxide, to whiten four shades for a visibly whiter smile. Trust your smile to colgate optic white. At first the arrest of Clay Starbuck for the murder of his exwife chanin seemed to be playing out with all the predictability of a wellworn movie plot. In hindsight it all seemed so obvious, at least to chanins Close Friends and family. We knew that clay kill katie killed her. Just because hed been stalking her and causing her so much grief. We knew what he did to her. Reporter but you might be surprised to hear the starbuck children werent buying any of it. So you believe that your dad is innocent . Yes. Reporter theres no way he could have possibly done it . No. Reporter arguably the only witnesses with ringside seats to the running drama were their five kids. And those kids, every single one, including the three youngest, seth, marshall and logan, rally to their fathers defense. He didnt do it. Hes a nice, caring, loving person. Why would you kill your exwife . That he still loves. That he still loves and leave all your five children parentless . Reporter yes, so often what a family looks like depends on whos doing the looking. The kids . All their lives they said it was their father who was the long suffering one, not their mother. In fact, they said their mother chanin was not always what she seemed to be. Over the years, they said, she would up and leave, taking them with her, to live with other men. More than once. For months at a time. But they said their dad would always take her back. Just through this last divorce he would say that like no matter what, he could forgive her and take her back. Reporter the older starbuck boys said it was patently obvious to them that the case against their dad was a frameup from start to finish. Theres no physical evidence. There were a couple times where i actually laughed out loud reading what they had said in there and how ridiculous the story is that they put together of what he did and how he did it. Reporter none of it, they said, beginning with the dna evidence detectives found so incriminating, that male starbuck dna, in all likelihood, they said, came from one of them, austin or blake. But it couldnt have come from the youngest, marshall, who learned in the process that he was not clays biological son, was conceived during a relationship chanin had after their first divorce. Murder, as we say, exposes all kinds of secrets. The evidence they have is trace dna. Its like i go up to you and touch you on the hand. Its that small. Reporter but there is starbuck dna. Yeah. Reporter and there are some theres starbuck dna in the starbuck house. Kind of funny how that worked. We all lived there. My dad lived there months before this happened. His hair everywhere, his sweat. The kids coming over back and forth from our house to her house. Reporter according to the starbuck children, their father was essentially a victim of a kind of marital profiling. A suspect simply because husbands and exhusbands of murder victims are always suspects. If not for that bias, they said, the investigators would have found the real murderer. The evidence is shoddy. Reporter and theres so many other possible suspects, they say. Take this theory of blakes. Not long after clays arrest, there were news reports about a man named israel keys. He was arrested for murdering a young coffee barrista in alaska and later admitted hed killed many more people, some in washington state. Hailed from, of all places, a town just a few miles from chanins house. Well, why would you think it was israel keys . Because he has killed over ten women. He admitted to four in washington. He was arrested a month about after my dad, so he wouldnt have been on the radar until then. Reporter serial killer . Maybe. But heres the biggest reason they dont believe their father is a murderer. It was the childrens bombshell. Their mother had been keeping a dangerous secret, they said, a secret life, one austin said he figured out when he was just 8. She lived a totally different lifestyle. She lived her church lifestyle, her Home Lifestyle and her Online Dating lifestyle. Reporter to hear the starbuck kids tell it, that the mom known to most as a prim and proper mormon home maker lived a racy and risky personal life. A secret from even her closest friends and family but impossible to hide from them, the kids. Dating. It wasnt like she didnt meet some guy and be with him for three, four, five months to a year at a time. She was with him for, you know, just a short visit. You know, on to the next one. Reporter was it true . Sitting in jail awaiting trial, clay told his public defenders derek reed and jill gannon neagle, the same thing he said to sheriffs detectives, look at her phone, look at her computer. The things that we were able to find and confirm on the laptop were not normal dating relationships. It was sexual relationships. And most of those can be confirmed that they were only sexual in nature. Reporter and explicitly so. Explicitly so. Reporter with videos and photos and you name it. Yes. Reporter all there on the laptop, evidence of trips to meet men she had connected with online but didnt know in person until she made them completely vulnerable to them, these several men. I dont think that we can even give a number of the amount at least email addresses. Reporter two, three, ten, 15 . Ten would be a minimum, i would say. We tried to keep it as close to the incident as possible, and in november of 2011 reporter the month leading up to her murder. We can verify ten men she was communicating with electronically most of which she had met one on one and we can verify that. Reporter every one of them a possible suspect. Thats what clays public defenders thought. Well, investigators had run the lawyers said. That crack team didnt follow up on any of the potential leads from her laptop. It was there. They had it, right . It was there. They swabbed it. At some point somebody suspected something. Im not quite sure why they didnt follow up. But isnt this all just a smoke screen . Because the evidence is pretty clear that Clay Starbucks alibi doesnt hold up and the ali buys of the other people do. The alibis of the ones they looked into. Reporter so armed with the evidence they found on that computer alone, Defense Attorneys were confident they would instill in the jury at least reasonable doubt. As the day of the trial approached the starbuck children were giddy with the anticipation that soon dad would be coming home to stay. I know he didnt do it. We need to fight for our dads innocence, get him out, so we can go back and hit it on the head again and find out who did it and solve it. At trial the jury hears chilling testimony. A prediction once made about surprised if we found her dead with her throat slit open. Xeljr ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. Serious, sometimes fatal infections, lymphoma and other cancers have happened. Dont start xeljanz xr if you have an infection. 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As you can say im an a mission. I want him put away. Reporter the divided family couldnt have been farther apart in the small spokane county in may 2013. The prosecution set out to prove Clay Starbuck was a jealous, controlling and ultimately violent man who murdered his devout and long suffering exwife. Well, the defense prepared to argue that chanin herself recklessly courted danger and, quite possibly, died at the hands of one of the many strangers she met online for sex. To Chanin Starbucks friends and family who heard in advance what the defense had planned, it sounded like an Old Fashioned smear campaign. Thats all they had to go on. Thats the only thing that they could turn chanin into was this awful person. She wasnt a sexual deviant. She wasnt she wasnt running around sleeping with everybody in deer park and spokane. Reporter the state presented its case first, argued in court by larry steinmetz, and he began not with sex but with that other less titillating root of all evil money. The jury heard from summer starks that chanin didnt have any. With respect to miss starbucks financial situation, how would you define that . Dire. Reporter do you know whether or not miss starbuck had been receiving any Child Support or spousal maintenance from mr. Starbuck during that period . She had told me she did not. Reporter clay owed more than 9,000 in back Child Support. Eliminate the ex and his financial obligations would die with her, thus a money motive said the prosecution. And then they brought it up sex. Or rather chanins love life, not the life that the defense had in mind but the romantic kind that sometimes produces jealousy, the other ageold motive for murder. Miss starbuck now a single woman dating other men, much to chagrin and dismay of the defendant Clay Starbuck. Reporter chanins newfound romantic freedom enraged clay. One of the couples friends testified that clay seemed unnaturally obsessed with his exwifes personal life. He basically gave me a litany of things about chanin, about what she was doing and how she was seeing lots of other men. Reporter and one of the kids teachers testified that she heard clay predict something that sounded to her quite chilling. He said, i wouldnt be surprised if we found her dead, i wouldnt be surprised if we found her with her throat slit open. Reporter then the view from the detectives who testified how it seemed to them clay was just a little too eager to direct their suspicions away from himself. And towards some Anonymous Online lover. I dont very often have people pushing at me a piece so much that it pushes everything else, all the other information out. Just constantly pushing that at me. Reporter jealous, resentful and on the morning of december 1st luring chanin out of her house with a phony story about a brokendown car. Remember clay texted chanin, asked her to take the kids to school, then shut off his phone to avoid detection, or so said the prosecutor. Laying a trap. Taking the children out of the house, entering the house, waiting for ms. Starbuck to return. Reporter they played that snippet of a 911 call that the prosecution said confirmed the time of the attack. 911, what are you reporting . Reporter then an expert told the jury a is this match that you described an exact match to Clay Starbuck and the male bloodline of his family . Yes. Reporter the dna had to be clays. He was the one with the weak alibi. And detectives had already cleared his sons, though the prosecutor called them as witnesses anyway. During the school week, what time would you normally go to school . It was just after 9 00. On december 1 of 2011, did you work that day, a thursday . Yes, i was. Reporter and someone else cleared by his alibi, john kenlein, the married teacher, was forced to appear, admitted an affair with chanin. We engaged in a sexual relationship yes. He was not here to be ashamed but to testify about curious messages he received from chanins phone, messages sent long after the 911 call. Again, sir, could you read that . Did you stop by, question do you want to come over tonight . Reporter those messages found on chanins phone, investigators believe, could only have been sent by chanins killer. And by this time you believed she was dead . Right. Based on the 911 call, we believe shes deceased and yet someone is using her cell phone to communicate. Reporter and to prove it must have been clay who sent those messages, they entered into evidence this seemingly innocuous text message from around 3 00 p. M. That afternoon. At 3 06 p. M. Chanin starbuck phone to Logan Starbuck phone, send marsh a note, dad will be there in ten minutes. Reporter send marsh a note . Who besides his mother might know the nickname marsh . The youngest starbuck marshall came to the stand. How often would your dad call you marsh . A lot. He also called me son and marshall. But he did call you marsh a lot . Mmhmm. Reporter yes, it had been an intimate act, an angry exhusband killing the mother of his children, then staging the scene as a humiliating sex crime, premeditated murder said the state. And as evidence of Clay Starbucks twisted state of mind, the prosecution offered this final piece to the puzzle. Detectives said they found chanins death certificate on a wall in clays house pinned up like a trophy. As a reminder, shes no longer in my life, shes no longer going to cause me any misery or pain. Reporter so no smoking gun but a pile of circumstantial evidence deep enough, the prosecution hoped, to bury any chance of acquittal. At the heart of this killing and i would submit the motive greed, anger, obsession and jealousy. Reporter and, through it all, clay and his defense waited to tell an entirely different story about a risky life and unsolved murder. Unsolved, the defense would argue, because investigators blew it right from the start at the crime scene. They swabbed the face of the cell phone. They got dna. Its not his. The phone doesnt have mr. Starbucks dna. Whose dna did it have . christmas marching band music drumsticks click Clay Starbuck, on trial for murdering his exwife, had Something Big in his corner, something he believed would establish reasonable doubt. Chanins laptop computer, it held evidence, he said, of his exwifes dangerous secret life. Were talking about casual encounters with people who arent using real identities. Reporter in fact, chanins own children were convinced that one of those men must have been her killer. Make no mistake, there were men that she talked to the day before. Reporter that was the story the defense and the children were poised to tell in court. And then a ruling from the judge. The evidence was inadmissible. The childrens story, the activities revealed in the laptop, the evidence pointing to other men chanin knew intimately, it was all too speculative, too prejudicial. And it was out. The jury wouldnt hear it. Suddenly at the defense table, the air went out. I think the court was thinking we dont want to make this a forum to run somebody who was murdered down. Unfortunately, this isnt something thats just being made up. We didnt create this, these allegations. Reporter Clay Starbucks lawyers needed a plan b. So they went after the Murder Investigation itself. Pointing out in court all the things investigators failed to do. On the right hand, they found on one of the nails what tested positive for blood. They dont test it. In fact, youll hear from the crime lab that they intentionally swabbed around the blood. Reporter it was a recurring theme for the defense they didnt test it. Evidence collected but untouched by lab techs. And under crossexamination detective rickets was pilloried for making the decision. Did you direct anyone to collect any piece of evidence from the master bathroom that would be consistent . No. As far as you know have you or have you directed anybody to have that . No. And if there was any potential trace evidence or any evidence on that, we dont know . We dont, right. The crime lab didnt test it . Right. Reporter but there were also issues with the evidence that was tested, said the defense. That cell phone, for instance, the one the prosecution went to Great Lengths to say clay used after killing chanin they swabbed the face of the cell phone and they got dna. And they got this dna and its not his. Unidentified male. The phone doesnt have mr. Starbucks dna on it. Reporter and more unidentified dna found on chanins neck, where she was strangled. Fair to say going back to the term match, that there was another contributor on the sample referenced miss starbucks neck male contributor that has not been identified . Correct. Reporter whose dna was that, the defense asked . No one knows. But the presence of male starbuck dna at the crime scene was no mystery at all. Not only had clay lived in that house but the dna could have been transferred from children going back and forth between parents as marshall explains. Only his audio could be shown not his face. Do you ever share clothes with austin now . Yes. If all my shirts are dirty or something ill borrow one of his shirts. And i use also blakes old sweatshirt. Reporter the matter of the alibi. Neighbors in the area where Clay Starbuck claimed his car broke down testified that they did see a car matching that description parked by the side of the road. I came up early in the morning to smoke a cigarette outside. I had seen it parked up the street. Reporter austin told the court that the jury should not be suspicious about clays phone being off that day. Why would he have it off . So he wouldnt be interrupted when he was sleeping because he had back surgery and he needed his sleep. Reporter yes, the back surgery. The reason clay was in deer park and not out working on the pipeline at the time of chanins murder. Clay was simply too weak, said his kids. Didnt have the physical strength to kill their mother. So my mom, shes 510, 511, 180 pounds. Shes not big, but shes not small. Reporter debilitating surgery . Absolutely said clays doctor. He would probably still be somewhat limited after surgery, yes. Reporter austin also addressed that socalled trophy the prosecution brought up, chanins death certificate supposedly hanging on clays wall. It was actually his, said austin. As executor of chanins estate, he needed copies of the death certificate. And he wanted to keep one safe where it wouldnt be lost. And where did you put that . The master bedroom my dad stayed at in a closet we use for a gun safe it was behind a key locked door handle. Reporter but the star defense witness . Clay starbuck himself. Mr. Starbuck, you were married to ms. Chanin starbuck at one time . Yes. Reporter speaking in calm, deliberate tones, he told the court his back surgery forced him out of work which is how he came to be more than 9,000 behind in Child Support and alimony. I couldnt do anything about it till i went back to work. That was my goal. Reporter money was no motive said the defense, and as for jealousy, not him. His talk about chanins Online Dating had been misconstrued. Why did you tell people about that information . Concerned and to see if we could help her. Reporter some of the officers testified that you told them about the same sort of activity after the death of miss starbuck. Yes. And they were interested in anything that could help them with the investigation as well so thats why. Reporter on the stand Clay Starbuck patiently followed his lawyers lead, no gaffes, no slipups. Did you kill Chanin Starbuck . No, i did not. Thank you, no further clay and his defense team felt so confident they encouraged him to talk with us about the case and some things that did not come out in court. In an exclusive interview, clay tells us why he believes hes about to go free. The case has been botched in your view. I wouldnt say botched. Theres smart people that have made elementary mistakes. You know who im gonna follow . My instincts. As long as gps can still get you lost, you can count on geico saving folks money. Im breeding, man. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Ho ho. [pillsbury doughboy] hmm hmm. Ho ho. [pillsbury doughboy] hmm hmm. Ho ho ho ho. [pillsbury doughboy] hmm hmm hmm. In this home. We believe. On the stand Clay Starbuck was one cool customer. Taciturn and stoic when pressed by the prosecutor on crossexamination. Are you a jealous person . Not at all. Do you ever get angry . Not at all. Ms. Starbuck was granted 50 of your pension. Did that make you angry . No. Did it bother you . No. Do you think that Chanin Starbucks killer was trying to send a message . I dont know. But make no mistake, Clay Starbuck has plenty to say about his exwife chanin, about the detectives whom he believed ignored promising leads in order to hang her murder on him. They were after me. They had their guy. They didnt want anybody else. They wanted to drive me to prosecution. For starters, Clay Starbuck told us in an interview given near the end of his trial, the case against him is based largely on a faulty understanding of the dna evidence. It was not considered a match of dna. It was not a 100 match, it was not a full inclusion nor could they exclude it. Reporter the starbuck dna found is actually a partial strand but can occur in nearly 1 in 300,000 males in the u. S. According to the states crime lab, not nearly as accurate as standard dna testing yet that evidence, said clay, was blown out of proportion by investigators on a mis. Mishandling. Really, i can state a lot of things. Reporter the case has been botched in your view . Is botched a big word or is it okay in this case . I would concur. I would say botched is fair game. Theres some smart people that have made some elementary mistakes. Reporter but even if that was his dna at the scene, said clay, it proves nothing. He told us that not only had he slept in that bed for years, hed been there since his breakup with chanin. I left june of 2010. Was that the last time that chanin and i were intimate . No. Not even close. Reporter really . Reporter feelings, hopes of reconciliation perhaps . No, not that at all, said clay. He had moved on. At the time of chanins death i was seeing a gal in valdez, alaska, it was a Long Distance relationship. Reporter you were otherwise engaged . I was otherwise engaged. Reporter and he disputed all the nasty stories chanin supposedly told her friends about him, wondered why detectives would listen to what he considered to be gossip. She was terrified of you and she told her friends this. And so when she winds up dead and humiliated that way, who else are they going to look at but the person she was terrified of . Chanins friends that you mentioned, if they make those comments, i dont control those comments. I have no way of knowing what chanin told them, but i would hope that they would follow the evidence. I would hope that they wouldnt chase somebody down over a comment made off the cuff. Reporter and those were secondhand stories about clay the jury never heard anyway. As for his alibi that morning in the surveillance video, it was nothing said clay. Of course the camera didnt show him on that street, he never told the cops thats where he walked and they never asked. They didnt ask you where you went. No. Reporter they say you told them. I did hear that. Reporter are you saying their memories are bad . Or something, that theyre lying or what . Many statements in this that have not been true from Law Enforcement standpoint. Reporter and speaking of alibi, clay said he doesnt believe the time of that 911 call means anything at all. It is so short, you cant tell what it is. Reporter but a call to 911, she winds up dead, they kind of go together. So the time of death makes most sense right around that time. Just after because she would have been under attack at that point. I dont see how with any of the evidence thats been provided in statements by witnesses that anybody can make that assumption that a 911 call at a quarterer death were exactly related. Reporter for more than two hours as he talked to us Clay Starbuck remained unflappable, quite determinedly so. I can see why you would be quite a hard guy to argue with. Im an easy guy to argue with because i dont argue. Reporter thats the problem. Makes me crazy. It doesnt make me crazy. Reporter no, the other person crazy. Then i suggest you get counseling. Reporter never angry, never jealous, the only emotion Clay Starbuck pleads guilty to is disappointment. He was disappointed, he said, when his youngest daughter told him about some explicit images shed seen on her mothers computer. Pretty upsetting for you . It was disappointing. I wouldnt say upsetting. Reporter now, according to Clay Starbuck, murder never she was a beautiful woman, smart woman. She didnt need to travel those paths to find men to be with. It was senseless. Reporter and did you try to stop that behavior by killing her . Absolutely not. Absolutely not. I wouldnt kill her. I wouldnt harm her. I wouldnt kick, bite, scratch anything her. Ive never done anything to hurt her. And i didnt kill her. Reporter he faulted once, only once. The question was about his children. What did you want to say to them all these months . Youre going to end up making me get emotional. So ill just leave it that im just very proud of them. Reporter pretty tough thing for kids to handle. It is. It is. Not only did they lose their mother, they lost their dad for a period of time. Reporter maybe forever. Its not going to be forever. He said, a confident man, quite sure that acquittal was just days away. All he needed now, he said, was to hear the jury say those words, not guilty. Coming up the verdict, and the emotional fallout. I jumped up and i screamed. I screamed. This holiday season. Give the gift of effortlessly smooth feet. From amope. Amope pedi perfect with diamond crystals. Removes rough, hard skin. Effortlessly. For touchably smooth feet. The perfect gift. For that special someone on your list. Into their signature pot pies and sell them for just 3. 99 . Colonel and i found a cheaper way to make commercials. Hows it goin . Kfc pot pie, its 3. 99. Hows it goin . Weland you look amazinglyes youcomfortable. 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Visit sprintrelay. Com. For more than two weeks discussions about the murder case sounded a little like political debates these days, polarized and as the judge sent the jury out to deliberate youll now be escorted back to the jury deliberation room. Chanins two families, her mother and siblings who believed clay poisoned the children against their mother on one side of the great divide. I hope that they learn the truth. And those very children on the other wanting nothing more than to have their children come home. To never see a courtroom again. But of course it was only those 12 strangers who could decide. The hours went by. People close to the question on both sides were in some kind of agony. I was sick to my stomach, nervous. Knowing in my heart, i know clay did this. All it takes is one person, one person not to believe and we have to start all over again. Not easy for any of them. But austin had an especially difficult task. A new father himself and now after fighting with his uncle and grandmother over custody he was guardian of the three yor been like a rock. Funny how these things sneak up on a person. If you could speak to your dad and just say one thing the two of you, what would it be . See you soon. Yeah. And then, then they were all in court, their opposing wishes on full display. The jury was back. Has the jury reached a verdict . Thed bane out one full day. Here was their decision. Narrator the matter of state of washington versus mr. Clay starbuck verdict form a count one reads, we the jury find the defendant mr. Starbuck guilty of the crime of premeditated murder in the first degree. His face looked like stone. But Something Else going on inside said his lawyers. How was he when that verdict happened . Shocked. He actually thought he was going to be acquitted. Absolutely. But chanins mother and siblings finally felt vindicated. All along they believed it was him. And now a jury agreed. As soon as that first guilty verdict was read, it was like a ton of bricks were lifted off of us. And got the text, guilty. I jumped up and i screamed. I screamed. I was like, yes, yes how separate these worlds were. Austin starbuck, head of the to talk about the judges decision not to admit certain evidence into trial and about the future. His brother blake came along. Its not over yet. But he was convicted. Yeah but theres still appeals. Theres still other things we can do. Well, that may be so. So its still not over. So parent and siblings satisfied with the result. Children not at all and vowing to fight on. And chanins friend summer . Hard to know exactly how she was feeling. I thought it would bring me more peace than it did. I was relieved he was found guilty but it didnt bring me the peace i thought it would. Justice . Sometimes what feels like justice to some, doesnt to others. Not at all. But this we can say. Once there was a fine and lovely woman whose life was good and useful, who loved her children. They were her world and no matter what had happened, what was said, whats been done, whats been drug out that she loved them and she wants them to be successful and have a good life. She did not deserve the way her life ended on that cold, december morning in deer park, washington. Washington live on the fox business network, its the sixth republican debate. [ cheers and applause ] hello, and welcome back. Im fox business rock star neil cavuto. And im maria bartiromo. A reminder weve lost a few competitors since the last debate, with only seven joining us tonight, so remember, candidates, if at any time tonight your poll numbers drop below 3 , you will hear a loud gong then be escorted off the stage like showtime at the