Transcripts For WPVI This Week With George Stephanopoulos 20171029

America, and capitol hill. Many of us in Congress Know what its like. Well break down the politics, smoke out the spin, the facts that matter this week. Good morning. From the start of his presidency, the russia investigation has bedeviled President Trump. Hes raged about it in private. Railed against it in public. Calling it fake news. A witch hunt. Its caused him to fire fbi director james comey. A dramatic move that directly triggered the appointment of special counsel Robert Mueller. Now, five months into his work, muellers grand jury has approved charges against the be announced as early as tomorrow, which means the fallout has just begun. Were going to get reaction from adam schiff and new jersey governor chris christie, a trump ally, who was also a federal prosecutor. First from our abc team. Senior justice correspondent pierre thomas. Good morning, pierre. Reporter george, good morning. The special counsels team sought charges against at least one unidentified target. Sources say an indictment announcement and arrest could come possibly as early as on monday. A spokesman is declining to comment. We dont yet have any specifics on who would be charged or what those charges might be. What we do know is that the special counsel team is investigating whether there was collusion between associates of then candidate donald trump and russian officials on the 2016 election. Mueller is looking into the financial dealings of a number of key associates, including former Campaign Manager Paul Manafort and former National Security adviser michael flynn. Sources close to manafort say they have no indication that charges are imminent. No response from people close to michael flynn. While its unclear how significant these first charges will be, it does send a clear message that prosecutors believe a crime has been committed. And shows everyone involved probably needs to take stock that this is a serious matter, george. It means all eyes will be on that courthouse thunderstorm tomorrow morning at 9 00 a. M. Lets bring in our senior white house correspondent, cecilia vega. They seemed to be blind sided . Yes. We know the president s legal team has been busy meeting and making phone calls. From what we have been told of the president s lawyers and his aides, they still have no idea ho this is. Theres a lot of guessing happening behind the scenes. Are people nervous . Aides have obtained lawyers. We know that the president is picking up the tab for some of that. Everyone ive been speaking to expects to be brought in at some point in some capacity, for interviews and whatnot. Even with the big development, i dont expect the standard response on this to change. They maintain this is a witch hunt. The president talks about that a lot. And as it relates to who funded the controversial russian dossier back in the news, they say the focus should be on democrats and Hillary Clinton. We remember the president s former Campaign Manager, corey lewandowski, he calls the speculation about muellers charges, quote, insane. That gives you a good idea of what theyre thinking. So far, from the president himself, no public reaction. No tweets. Not yet any way. Yeah, not yet this morning. Cecilia vega, thank you very much. Lets bring in chief legal analyst dan abrams. Why would Something Like this be kept secret . Typically, because you dont want the defendant to know. You dont want the defendant to try to destroy evidence. You dont want potential codefendants to act out. It is specifically targeting the person who is going to be arrested and saying, we dont want this person to know. And when we find out who that person is that will reveal a fair amount about muellers strategy. The big question becomes, is the strategy going to be first go for a little fish to try to get that person to turn . Typically, thats what you would do. You first try to indict. Put pressure on a smaller fish in an effort to get that person to turn and testify against a bigger one. But this is complicated by the fact that in this case, the president has pardon powers. And as a result, the rules go out the window. The fact that the president can pardon any of these people on any federal crime. Doesnt necessarily mean on a state crime. But on a federal crime, it means they can be thinking, feeling, you know what . If i get indicted, thats okay. Im not going to respond to the pressure from the federal authorities. The way that someone ordinarily would because i know that im ultimately going to get pardoned. Thats going to be a really big question both for muellers team and the potential defendants. Thank you, dan. Lets bring in a man who has prosecuted cases. Governor chris christie. Thanks for coming in this morning. My pleasure, george. So what is your reaction to this news . I would respond to one thing dan said. That is a normal course of things. When youre going after the smaller fish to get the bigger fish, you usually dont charge them. That stuff is working behind the scenes. You want to keep that smaller fish having turned secret. Because it helps them to be able to gather more information. Sometimes they can wear a wire for you. Sometimes they can gather information where, if theyre quiet, youre going to get it. If everyone knows theyre charged, theyre going to be treated like theyre radio active. No one wants to be near them. No one is going to talk to them. I think what appears to be going on here is hes approaching this as a normal case with discreet type of charges that may wind up intersecting. May not. Not keeping it all together for a big report like ken starr did. To you agree with dan on why this is being kept secret . First off, its supposed to be kept secret. Lets remember, too, dan knows this. There are very strict criminal laws about disclosing grand jury information. Depending upon who disclosed this to cnn, it could be a crime. Do you think its muellers team . I would hope not. Because, listen, as aprosecute prosecutor, that is something we emphasized. Let me tell you something. Well prosecute you if we find out you leaked this stuff. We have to have the publics confidence many the fact that the grand jury system is secret and fair. If youre leaking stuff, it happens, but you shouldnt be doing it. But again. We dont know who leaked it. To cnn. It wouldnt be a crime if prosecutors or agents leaked it. If defense lawyers leaked it, it could not be anybody been before the grand jury can talk about. Right. But the people that went before the grand jury wouldnt know there are charges. You get in there, you testify, you get out. I think what is important is what we dont know. We dont know who this person is. We dont know what the charges are. We dont know anything except that theres a report that someone says there will be charges on monday and there is a sealed indictment. Once that happens, well have a lot more to react to. The one thing that is clear here, i heard someone say, are people nervous . Believe me, if youre the person, you know. I mean, you have already been told youre a target. Your lawyers, they have to advise you of your status as to whether youre a target. If youre told youre a target, believe me. Youre not sleeping well anyway. How about this notion that the president has pardon power. Theres been some talk that the president might issue preemptive pardons of mueller targets. Before a trial. Would that be appropriate . I have never seen the president talk about that. I think, quite frankly, to have those con vversations now about pardons if anybody is sitting around thinking i dont have to worry about anything, because the president will pardon me, they should talk to scooter libby. They should talk to others who thought they were going to be pardoned. All the people involved in watergate. And the pardons they thought they were going to be getting from president nixon. Theyre still waiting. Right . Thats a very important power to use. And i havent heard the president say anything like that. I think we shouldnt get ahead of ourselves. Certainly, those people shouldnt be sitting around saying, no problem. Theyre looking at sheriff arpaio. Right . Its a different circumstance. I think it is. But i think thats what led people to say, wait a second. This is a president ready, willing, and able to cruise his pardon power. But much different circumstances. The president pardoning someone here would be explosive. Its a big step. I think the other important thing for people to remember is that the last public word was that the president himself was not under investigation. How do we know that . We know that the white house chief of staff, former white house chief of staff Reince Priebus has been interviewed. We know that sean spicer has been questioned. We know they are questioned about the possibility of obstruction of justice. You would assume that means theres some kind of investigation into the president. It may come to nothing, but we dont know. I dont know that you can assume that. I used to love when i was u. S. Attorney, the greatest part of my job was, only i know what i know. Everybody speculates. Everybody outside speculates. Some of it is educated speculation. Like dan and i are involved in. We have experience. I think in the end, we would both be willing to admit, we have no idea. How about Robert Mueller . Back in august, you said hes a good man. You worked with him when you were a prosecutor. He was fbi director. On friday, you seemed to suggest it might the appropriate for him to step aside. I said if certain facts come out regarding his involvement in other matters, he would have to continue to evaluate that. Let me be clear about it. He has an obligation and i think a heightened obligation to be evaluating all the time new facts that come in. Do they put him in a compromised position . And if they do, he has to recuse. Because the public already is nervous about this. The attorney general of the United States has recused himself from it. The Justice System is not working how it normally does. If there are questions about director mueller. He has to really you havent seen that yet. No. No. I said on friday if certain facts develop on whether its his relationship with director comey or other issues, he has to think about that. Let me ask you a final question. Youre also the chair of the president s opioid commission. He took your suggestion to declare it an emergency. Hes taking some criticism for not saying, i need this much money. It think it will be a subject of conversation with congress. There was a 45 billion proposal that was part of the grahamcassidy legislation. I think the president has to sit down with congress and congress has to put this money in. The Public Health energy fund has only 57,000 in it. Its time to fund that. I would say that youre going to see this president initially ask for billions of dollars to deal with this. The other thing people need to know. I want to bring up briefly. He talked about changing the medicaid rules. Said hes going to. That is going to open up thousands of medicaid beds across the country for poor people who need drug treatment to get it. That will be gamechanging on the ground in individual states like mine and others. So money is being committed. Now its congress job. I heard congresswoman pelosi say, wheres the money . I said, i read the constitution. You appropriate. Not the president. Get appropriating. Well see what the president will sign. Thank you, governor. Thank you, george. Lets bring in congressman adam schiff. Good morning. Sit your conclusion that the president is not under investigation . I cant comment. I cant answer it one way or the other. You wouldnt know if Robert Mueller is investigating the president . I cant comment on that at all. What is your reaction to the news there may be a sealed indictment . Well, there are two people, i think, just from pesz reporting that it is likely to be. Either mike flynn or Paul Manafort. We havent been informed. I dont think it would be appropriate for bob mueller to tell us. If it is Paul Manafort, and he reportedly has told people he expects to be indicted, it may help us answer one very central question in the investigation. That is, we know that the russian government, through intermediaries, was reaching out to the Trump Campaign. To Paul Manafort and others. Offering information on Hillary Clinton they thought would help the Trump Campaign. That the campaign was willing and accepted that idea. We know from the Washington Post reporting, contemporaneously to that, Paul Manafort is reaching out to the kremlin through oligarchs. Offering information in exchange for money. Money he believed was ode him for work in ukraine for a prorussia party. The question is, who gave what to whom, as a result of these overtures . The fact that these requests are moving in opposite directions, and what information would mr. Manafort have to offer the russians . What would the president do on sanctions . That would be the most Important Information the kremlin would want. If it is him, it may help us answer those questions. How about this question of the president s pardon power . And whether or not it would be appropriate for him to issue preemptive pardons before a trial. Well, the arpaio pardon was a horrible precedent. Because that case wasnt even finished. The president was essentially sending message, i wont even wait until the criminal cases are over to give a pardon. I dont think the president s power is all that absolute. As people have been suggesting. The president cant pardon people if its an effort to obstruct justice. If its an effort to keep bob mueller and others from learning the president s conduct. It would have the effect of nullifying vast portions of the constitution. The president could tell Justice Department officials and other Law Enforcement officials to violate the law. If they did and it was brought up, they were brought up on charges, he would pardon them. One principle of constitutional interpretation is that you dont interpret one power as nullifying all of the others. I think it would be a problem for the president if its part of an effort to obstruct justice. I think we also learned this week that the dnc and the Clinton Campaign, through their attorney, helped fund this fusion gps effort to create this dossier, this socalled dossier on whether the Trump Campaign was colluding with the russians. We know that the Washington Free beacon, a conservative website, had been paying fusion gps as well. This has now become a subject for congress. Congressional investigations. Along with another investigation back in 2010 in the u. S. Uranium industry the russian investment into it. The white house citing that this is a sign of collusion on both sides. We know fusion gps began as a republican effort. It was later picked up by the democrats. So none of that is all that surprising. I think that is a factor to be considered in weighing the credibility of what fusion gps produced. Who was paying for it . Should it have been disclosed earlier . I cant answer that. I certainly would have liked to have known who paid for it earlier. Nonetheless, thats just one factor to be considered. It doesnt answer the ultimate question, which is, how much of the the work is accurate . How much of it is true . My colleagues dont seem interested in that question. That is the most important question for the american people. How much of this allegation that Christopher Steel makes and the reports that he hears, are true about the russian government wanting to help the Trump Campaign . A lot of that has been corroborated. I wanted to ask that. There are some things in the dossier proven to be untrue. Michael cohen according to his passport wasnt in prague. During the summer of 2016. What do you believe in the dossier has been corroborated . The most significant thing to me is that Christopher Steel may have found out, even before our own intelligence agencies, that the russians were, in fact, aiming to help donald trump in the election. That has been borne out from ample evidence from individual sources and the social media campaign. Very demonstrably protrump, anticlinton. That central conclusion has been borne out. The question we continue to investigate is, was the Campaign Coordinating in the russian help . Now that still remains to be seen. Theres certainly evidence that is highly suggestive of that, in terms of the meeting in trump tower. A lot more work needs to be done. I want to say this on the uranium one situation. If the president weighed in with the Justice Department to get that investigation going by ordering them to lift the gag rule. The white house said don mcgann did contact the Justice Department. Is there thats not only unet kl but its a violation of rules. If members of congress are willing to cover for that or worse, become complicit in that, and that was the word jeff flake used, in what i think is the most significant speech in congress in the 17 years i have been there. If we allow ourselves in congress to become complicit to up ethic unethical processes by the president. By intervening with a gag rule. Interviewing u. S. Attorneys in new york who may oversee potential prosecutions of the president s interests. By picking someone, confirming someone nominated to head the Criminal Division of the Justice Department who happens to be the lawyer for alpha bank, we become complicit in that kind of conduct. We will have to answer to history. It does appear republicans its not a side show. We continue the hard work of getting to the bottom of what happened. We faced serious obstacles. Many of them go back to our chairman. Who, i think, all too often, has been willing to further the work and the viewpoint of the white house. Irrespective of what were finding in the investigation. That is unhelpful. Not all Fish Oil Supplements provide the same omega3 power. Introducing megared advanced triple absorption it supports your heart, joints, brain, and eyes. 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I think the whole thing is totally dependent on ho this person is, right . We have no idea. It could go in any different direction. It could be big. Little. The start of baiting somebody bigger. We have no idea what his game plan is in the course of this. And whether it finally reaches donald trump. Its not a good thing for any white house to have to deal with this kind of thing. Anything like this takes them off their game. Takes them off where they want to go. Takes them off any message they want to have on tax cuts or tax reform or anything like that. Well see it unfold. It does guarantee one thing. This is going far into 2018. Which is a problem for the republicans to have an investigation on. And kate, you left the white house before this investigation really heated up. Is it your sense now that theyve figured out a way to compartmentalize the investigation . As the Clinton Campaign did . Yes. Theyre focused on tax cuts. Thats what we see on the hill and coming out of the white house. Theyre going to make sure they get tax cuts for the american public. The president hasnt spoken about this in the last 48 hours since this leak came out. That there will be something on monday. I think youll see the white house continue to talk about helping the american public. We have seen the discipline from the president. He just tweeted about obamacare. Not the russian investigation. Earlier in the week, karen finney, you saw the tweets saying collusion now between the clintons and the russians. And also, we did learn that the clintons lawyer, mark elias did fund this fusion gps dossier. Mmhmm. Again, that dossier came from an american company. That we had had originally been funded by republicans. As you mentioned earlier. I think whats important, though, is less who funded it and what was in the dossier. And as you heard adam schiff talk about, a number of the things in the dossier have been verified. I think regardless, with the announcement about mueller, whats important is we know there are multiple other reasons there is an investigation. There is a question of obstruction of justice in the firing of jim comey. The questions about carter page. Michael flynn. Paul manafort. Their communications and meetings with the russians. We also learned this week that cambridge analytica. The company that was basically the data company for the campaign, reached out to Julian Assange of wikileaks. The more it goes on, we learn it keeps growing. That is part of the problem. As we also learn that, some folks at the kremlin actually weighed in on the memo that was part of the june 16 memo. The New York Times report. Brian, i guess the bottom line there is that, according to democrats, its not fake news. Theres a lot there. First off. To your question, if someone is marched in monday, tomorrow, and it is something to do directly with the campaign, i number two. If its something about Paul Manafort and what he did before donald trump was even a candidate, people are going to say, my goodness. Is this going to be widespread. Is this going to be con feuding. So, i would to the gps situation. We found out its not a candidate. It was paul singer and his free beacon. We found out he was looking at two candidates in particular. He stopped the investigation as soon as donald trump locked up the nomination. As soon as he did that, he goes, okay, lets see what happens from the republican perspective. Then we find out that somebody else picks up the investigation, makes it international. Theres a russian element. There was no russian element to the free beaconfinanced opposition research. Thats major difference. Then were supposed to think that john podesta has no idea that 6 million to 9 million is flying out of the campaign. He said he didnt know. And his lawyer, when he is saying he didnt know, his lawyer, mark a lie yas, says, oh, yeah, i approved that. Youre the lawyer sitting next to a client pretending he doesnt know. As karen knows. Roland knows. Ive been highly critical for Hillary Clinton for a long period of time. And all of the manifestations of everything i think all of us know that. Not me and karen. I have to say, we need to give up the David Copperfield or Harry Houdini award for misdirection in this thing. This reminds me of the uranium tale whole story thats been debunked all along the way. This is a whole nother story. There is no similarity between what Robert Mueller and what the russians wanted to do and a dossier paid for in part by the democrats in order to matt, why would you think that . Fbi indictments could have been handed out. Theres no russian relationship between the dossier and the democrats. Here is what is laughable. We literally watch a campaign, of folks chant lock her up, that we can have a president under investigation, and were here right now. This is the real test as to whether or not republicans will actually put pay treatism above partisanship. Will conservative media folks speak truth or defend trump at any and all costs . I love how people are complaining about players taking a knee and the flag but then want to excuse what russia has done. What mueller is doing, is what a prosecutor should do. Get to the truth. Whitewater started with one thing and ended with another. This is what happens when you go through a federal investigation. Why does patriotism have something to do with trump admitting hes wrong . They dont believe hes wrong. There is no evidence he is wrong. Brian, brian, brian, this is a guy who will knowingly lie and not admit the truth. So what whether he says it, its relevant to me. The bottom line is this, when you have a foreign country that is clearly, undeniably involved in our election. Not just once no, no, no. One second. Excuse me. Excuse me. Im not talking about that. Im speaking of facebook ads. Im speaking of bots. All of that. We all brian, all americans should all americans should want the answer and not failing partisanship. Hold on. Brian, let karen get in here. Theres a pattern that we have seen time and time again in this administration. You start, you know, youll see the president tweet about or say something, this week, it was, we need to release all of hillarys emails. And we need to throwing the smokescreen back on hillary. By the way, at some point, donald trump is going to have to be accountable for donald trump the president. Shes on the book tour that never ends. You have a book tour. Just before the news broke on friday that mueller was is close to actually bringing charges, i thought, what is it thats about to come out . This pattern we have seen before. Every time there is about to be a new revelation in this investigation, leading right into that, weve got all this blowing of smoke and oh, its about hillary. Or, oh, Obama Wiretapped me in trump tower. You saw it coming . Of course. But karen, you have it absolutely reversed. What happened over the last three days . Revelations are out, thanks to fusion gps coming forward, prior to releasing their tax records, saying its been over a year. Its been over a year. No, they havent. It was denied by john podesta. Denied by the dnc chairman. Two shows in vegas. Two shows in vegas. Misdirection and hold on. Im sorry if youre frustrated. Im not frustrated. Im just the truth is important, brian. The truth in timeline is actually important. The facts. Let me finish. Ill tell you the facts. Tuesday, wednesday, we get the revelations because gps did not want to hand over their records about who financed their International Probe into russia. Tuesday, wednesday, 3. 6 million from the democrats. Let me finish. And 6 million from Hillary Clintons campaign. Which he never admitted to before. I want to get two facts. So this happens. I love this filibustering scam. Hes pretty cute, brian. I do consider myself cute. Brian, hold on a second. Im stopping this. There are two facts. Two facts about the dossier that we know. We know that it had nothing to do with the intelligence communitys findings that russia interfered with the election. Absolutely nothing to do with that. Number two, we know that nothing in the dossier came out during the campaign. So it had no effect on the campaign. George, let me add one other fact. Every single Intelligence Agency said not only did the russians interfere in the election, they were interfered to get donald trump elected and Hillary Clinton defeated. The argument that has to be made is that somehow Hillary Clinton and the democrats contributed to her own defeat. 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From those first accusations against Harvey Weinstein he stood in the doorway and tried to kiss me. They said, hes in his room. I was like, are you kidding me . Thats his pattern of sexual predation. That was how he rolled. An explosion of stunning, sad, and stories. A lot of feelings ive been having about anxiety and not being honest. The guilt for not speaking up earlier. I have been slutshamed. I have been harassed. I have been maligned. And you know what . Im just like you. Literally hundreds of thousands of people, men and women, talking about being a part of this unfortunate club. Those voices tarnishing and taking down powerful men. The fallout spreading from hollywood to corporate america, the media and capitol hill. The chief of staff held my face, kissed me, and stuck his tongue in my mouth. Its time to throw back the curtain on the repulsive behavior that, until now, has thrived in the dark without consequences. The question now, whether this me too movement will spark real change . Im joined by the woman who founded it a decade ago, tarana burke. And rep brenda lawrence. Shes introduced legislation so that all congressional offices will have to take Sexual Harassment training. Thank you both for joining us. Tarana, let me begin with you. You founded this a decade ago. Its exploded. Why did it take off now . Do you think it will produce real change . Absolutely. I think it took off now obviously because of the magnitude of the names involved in the current Sexual Harassment scandal. We have hollywood actresses. Producers. We have television hosts. And so, people are going to Pay Attention because pop culture is now right in the center of the controversy. Thats what is clearly we have seen. We saw your colleague, congresswoman Jackie Speier share her own story. She called capitol hill a breeding ground for a hostile Work Environment for far too the long. Two questions. Have you witnessed this during your tenure . And what difference will your legislation make . One of the things i found through my experience in private sector. Being an equal Employment Opportunity investigator. Where i investigated claims of Sexual Harassment is that you have to set a tone. You have to establish a benchmark of zero tolerance. Were making Sexual Harassment training optional, then, what are we saying as an organization . We require all federal employees, its mandatory. But on the hill and the capitol, its optional. So this is the first step of setting the tone of zero tolerance for Sexual Harassment. There are some people who actually believe that, what im doing is okay. What the training does is says, its not okay. That you, if you feel like you have been sexually harassed, you do have a process to go through. One of the things my colleagues, congresswoman speier have said, is that we need to look at that process. Because its not one that allows a person who feels like theyve been sexually harassed to have a responsive and proactive response. You see this. You know this from your work in corporate america. Women are afraid to come forward. Yes. We have heard from so many. Including one after the diane sawyer interview on Good Morning America with ashley judd. This guy controls my schedule. If i dont make any money, i dont feed my kids. I have no face in this. I have no name. You know about me. Im still scared that hes going to find out or someones going the find out that ive said something and then i lose my job. And i cant lose my job. Thats gotta be the biggest obstacle. It is. This is about power and privilege. Ultimately, Sexual Violence is about power. Sexual harassment is about the intersection of power and privilege. People feel helpless. Theres always a question about why dont women come forward . Why didnt they complain . This is a great example of why. Peoples livelihoods and lives are at stake. You have to make a choice between, do i deal with this uncomfortable thing that reduces my dignity or do i feed my children . You talk about the highprofile people that have come forward. The white house was asked about this because of the allegations against President Trump. Lets show that. Obviously, Sexual Harassment has been in the news. At least 16 women accused the president of sexually harassing them throughout the course of the campaign. Last week, the president called these accusations fake news. Is the official White House Position that all these women are lying . Yeah, weve been clear on that from the beginning. And the president s spoken on it. John . All these women are lying, according to the white house. I think a lot of people have questioned. You see so many men fall. Yet, the president elected after all these revelations were known . You know, the the good thing about me too is the sense of awareness. Its giving reassurance and comfort to women to speak out. Its going to be on the back of women and those who are sexually harassed to stop it. Because as long as we are silent, it continues. And i i think its it is very powerful. For the person who sits in the white house, to have behavior that he has admitted and its been documented, that is clearly Sexual Harassment. That is unacceptable behavior. And were going to have to step up. Im so proud of the me too movement. But its a shame, because this has been going on for years. It takes highprofile women to bring attention to this. Because what about the woman in the Fast Food Restaurant . Ho who the only way she can feed her children. Its that job or starvation for her family. And theyre being subjected to this, as well. What is the most important thing that has to happen now . There are a couple of things that have to happen. We have to have stronger legislation and policy. Those things have to be enforced. We have to have allyship. Its on the backs of women. But its on the backs of men. Men have to stand up. They have to be outspoken. When you see something, say something. Its everyones responsibility. Thank you both very much. Thank you. Thank you so much. When we come back, jeff flake joined bob corker with tough words for President Trump. What does it mean . For the president and the gop agenda . The roundtable takes on that question next. Prudential asked these couples how much money do you think youll need in retirement . Then we found out how many years that money would last them. How long do you think well keep oooooohhh you stopped youre gonna leave me back here at year 9 . How did this happen . It turned out, a lot of people fell short, of even the average length of retirement. We have to think about not when we expect to live to, but when we could live to. Lets plan for income that lasts all our years in retirement. Prudential. 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I think all of us realize that if we fail on taxes, thats the end of the Republican Partys governing majority in 2018. I cant imagine how he could be successful with nancy pelosi running the house. They would try to impeach him pretty quick. It would be one constant investigation after another. So its important that we pass tax reform in a meaningful way. If we dont, thats probably the end of the Republican Party as we know it. Some unvarnished words there from Lindsey Graham, actually on Brian Kilmeades radio show. We want to start with kate walsh shields. You know the white house well. Tax cuts have become the glue that is holding the Republican Party together right now. Absolutely. But it falls in line with everything the president has done in the last seven months. We have 3 gdp in the third quarter. We have had 3 gdp in the last six months. Unemployment at an alltime low. The dow at an alltime high. So it coincides with everything the president has been working on for the last nine months. I think when this gets done, well have a very good story to tell in 2018. Im waiting for the tweet, thank you, president obama, for setting me up. Heres the thing with what graham said that people have to understand. Democrats are running around saying, the possibility here. The fact of the matter is, the Republican Party is not imploding. You control 31 governors mansions. Legislatures, house, senate, the white house. More importantly, the judiciary. Youre not imploding. Yeah, you have internal fights. This is about power. Not principles, character, morals, values. They want to maintain power. Trump is the vessel that allows them to do so. So theyll fall in line. Jeff flake, that wasnt courageous what he did. He was going to lose. Courageous is to still run. Courageous to say, im going the Campaign Around arizona and speak the truth. And if i lose, thats fine. Im not giving anybody props for giving a speech and cutting and running. No. You stand up. You stay in the office and challenge them. People have to stop thinking the Republican Party is dead. The Republican Party is not dead. You see what is happening in north carolina. What is sadistic. Undemocratic. Wisconsin. We ignore what is happening in these states. Texas, five times they lost in federal courts over voter i. D. Cost 3 million. It is real what theyre doing in states. Let me bring this to brian kilmeade. The president does command strong majorities in the house right now. Theyre staying behind. Right now, most to republican senators. The problem is, no one really knows what is inside the tax bill. I think what i think is encouraging if youre a republican is the fact that the house, senate, white house, have been meeting behind closed doors before they rolled it out. They know a lot of details. Theyre timing it to the right time to roll it out. Back to your question, the reason Lindsey Graham is talking in cataclysmic fashion is he knows it will pass. No why . Not because of President Trump. Its because each individual lawmaker is on the clock. In 2018. Whether youre going to be up in a little while, or in 2018 . Or 2020. They have to do something. Or else they have nothing to run on. Theyre not doing it for President Trump. Not doing it for their party. Theyre doing it for their own careers. Thats why i think it will get done. Thats the problem with the Republican Party that is bearing out this year. They control everything. They cant get health care done. There wasnt even a plan. Its like the emperor wasnt wearing any clothes. If they cant get this tax thing done they have nothing to run. I agree with you. At the same time, however, i think that this is a moral test for the Republican Party. And i think theyll fail, unfortunately. In order to get the tax deal done, from everything we have heard, it will add to the deficit. The republicans have said thats something they didnt want to do. So it wont bring tax relief to the middle class. It will help the top 1 . I think its if you make over 733,000 a year, youll benefit from this plan. And, so, what does that say about what the Republican Party is really all about . To me, so, this be careful what you wish for. This is like much of the pressure that the Obama Administration put on the democrats in congress in 2009 and said, you gotta pass something. We need to have something to run on. They pass obamacare and lose almost every single office. This tax bill, the polls show, its very unpopular, the elements that we know. 80 of the benefits go the top 1 in the country. Its not going to help the working class. The voters who will decide this election. But i think fund mentally, Lindsey Graham is wrong about one thing. One, the republicans hold all the levers of power in this. I think hes wrong that the president party is dead. The Republican Party as we know it. The party of ronald reagan. The party of george w. Bush, is gone. The party is now the donald trump party. 80 of the republican voters. Regardless of what those in washington say that walk around the halls of the capitol and say what they think the Republican Party is . That party is long gone. They have to come to terms with the idea, this is the trump, Steve Bannon Party that is more welcoming to someone like roy moore than it is to someone like jeff flake. And, george, what they have to accept is you have this alliance. White conservative evangelicals aligning with people like gorka and bannon. What is interesting to me, im looking at the trump voters. Im going, at what point will you wake up and realize youre getting screwed . Not just one second. One second. Theyre getting screwed when you look at Affordable Care act because theyre benefiting from it. Theyre getting screwed when this man talks about the Opioid Crisis and the most he did this week was to have a press conference. Say were going to have a few more ads. Broke is broke. And some of the brokest, poorest counties in america, twothirds of them are in republican districts. Theyre going to get screwed. Watch it happen. I dont know how you can say that. Unemployment is at an alltime low. National association of manufacturers came out and said, if this tax cut goes through, more people will hire jobs. In 2003, i think, president bushs tax cut, the next five year, 7. 8 million jobs happened. Can i just also in those same people these people have jobs. When their pocketbooks are better. When hopefully, we pass repeal and replace. Their premiums go down. That mean nothing if youre dying of opioids. Were going to take a big hit in the economy. There may be an niche bump based on what . Based on what . Who is telling you that . A number of studies came out. Actually, frankly ive not seen one. Ill bring them up here. I have to interrupt. Because President Trump actually has tweeted about russia and the dossier. It didnt last. Never seen such republican anger and unity as i have concerning the lack of investigation on clinton made fake dossier. Now 12 million. So much for the discipline. I would like to get back to so lets talk about tax reform. I have to say a couple of things. Steve bannon and Sebastian Gorka White Supremacists . Absolutely not. I dont think so. That is a statement that i think is excuse me. Brian, brian. When you say breitbart is the home of the altright. Which aligns the White Supremacists. Im trying to we saw in charlottesville, dont you dare try to cover this thing up. Im not covering anything up. Theyre not White Supremacists. You have to watch that term. Its a term that is a new buzz word. It shuts people down. Actually, its not a new buzz term. Its owned america since the beginning of america. Can i finish up on the tax reform. Matt, i dont know what you mean the Little People are getting screwed. I didnt say that. I said 80 of the benefits of the tax bill are going to the top 1 . The top 1 . Thats what the ill give you an example. An example of how from what we know, george, youre right. We dont know everything. If you make 12,000 a year right now, youre being taxed. Under his plan, youre not taxed up to 24,000 a year. So that right there helps no one who makes 12,000 pays an income tax. There a multiple tax codes. I think the trump people and the republicans can talk about the stock market. And they can talk about the job rate. Theres no relationship between the perception of donald trump and the perception of the republicans and what is going on in the economy. There is no relation. Donald trump. Donald trump is disapproved of by 60 of the country. President trump was the same guy in the last 25 years, he would argue as he is today. He was elected. Decide elections in were going to hit the computer. Were out of time. I know you have a lot more to say. Thank you very much. Well be right back. Be right become. Back. The roundtable is still talking here. Were out of time. Thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. Check out world news tonight. See you tomorrow on gma. After 8 years of chris christie, is kim guadagno the change new jersey really needs . Guadagno is christies handpicked successor. Says shes proud to be part of the christie administration. Guadagno was Chris Christies right hand as our schools came under attack, Critical Services were underfunded, and our Credit Rating was downgraded. 11 times. From the bridge to the beach, weve seen it all, and weve had enough. Kim guadagno isnt the change we need. Will new jersey stay red or go blue . Inside story starts right now. Good morning, everyone. Im matt odonnell. It is sunday, october 29, 2017. Let us meet our insiders of the week. David dix Government Relations executive. Good morning, david. Good to be here. Thank you. Jan ting law professor. Hey, matt. Good morning, jan. Rich negrin attorney. Hey, matt. Good morning, rich. And Christine Flowers attorney journalist. Happy halloween weekend. Yes, its coming up soon. Now, new jersey voters will select a new governor next week. Thats coming up soon, too. Their choices are quite different. We have a man, a woman; a democrat, a republican; a somewhat political novice, a lieutenant governor; a former wall street banker, a former sheriff; a progressive who plans to raises taxes, a conservation who wants to cut them. Thats pretty good distinction right there. Now, two new polls put democrat phil murphy way ahead in his