George stephanopoulos begins now. Good morning. What some called a summer fling still going strong, donald trump drawing record crowds. Hes going to join us live in a moment. But we begin with that brewing intrigue on the democratic side. Vice President Biden calling populist star Elizabeth Warren to washington for a secret meeting. Jonathan karl tracking the latest. Jon, this is the strongest sign that biden is taking a serious look at this race. Reporter it sure is, george. This is a meeting between the two democrats who could potentially pose the greatest threat to Hillary Clinton if either one of them decided to one. Now, warren, of course, has emphatically ruled out running. Biden is seriously considering it. Its hard to imagine anything that would give him a bigger initial boost among base democratic voters than support from warren. Warren, by the way, has been decidedly cool about Hillary Clintons campaign. Just listen to this clip from a recent interview with wbz in boston. Was it a mistake for your party to anoint her as the nominee so early on . I dont think anybodys been anointed. So, biden clearly sees an opening with that lukewarm comment. Reporter absolutely and especially in recent polls on the question of honesty and trustworthiness. Hillary clinton is suffering largely as a result of this email controversy. Look at this recent quinnipiac poll nationally. Only 37 say that they trust Hillary Clinton. 57 say no. When you look at bidens numbers theyre almost exactly the reverse. A Strong Majority say that they find biden honest and trustworthy. The question is, would he be willing to make that case if he rungs . What about timing. I talked to one supporter this week who said it looks like biden is saying hes about 60 40 to run and theyre feeling some pressure to make an announcement soon. Reporter what biden himself is telling people, i am told, is that hes got quite a bit of time and says the real deadle is that first democratic debate which is october 13th, but one very close by, an adviser, told me yesterday that he believes that biden has to do much quicker, has to make this decision much quicker. He starts, of course, way behind. Has no national organization. No fundraising. If hes going to run he has to get moving. Jon karl, thanks very much. Now the republicans and donald trump dominating another week. There he is in alabama late friday drawing the biggest crowd of his campaign. He is standing by live after tom llamas reports on how his rivals are countering the energy his opponent has unleashed. Reporter if there was any doubt about if donald trump was dominating the 2016 race, take a look at his rock star reception friday night. A stadiumsize crowd. Officials saying 30,000 on hand for the gop frontrunner. We ne to have our borders. We need to make eat deals. Reporter this rally in alabama a strategic choice for the Trump Campaign in an early primary state. A new poll shows him now beating jeb bush in florida. And the billionaires new immigration plan, the focus of the campaign. You look at chicago. You look at baltimore. You look at ferguson. You look at a lot of these places. A lot of these gangs and the most vicious are illegals. Theyre out of here. First day i will send them people we those guys are out of here. [ cheers and applause ] reporter the question this morning, how does the rest of the field react . Some like jeb bush unleashing tough shots at trump. Theres a big difference between donald trump and me. Im a proven conservative with a record. He isnt. Reporter bushs super pac trying to highlight his previous left leaning views flying this banner saying, trump 4 higher tax, jeb 4 prez. Carly fiorina joining in, as well. Im not sure donald trump is a republican. Reporter the alternative, to stay positive. Put dr. Ben carson in that camp. I like people who are willing to say what they believe. Reporter then theres scott walker. On trumps plan to end birthright citizenship for undocumented immigrants, he first agreed. Yeah, absolutely. You should end birthright citizenship . Yeah, to me its about enforcing the laws in this country. Reporter then backed off. Im not taking a position on it one way or the other. Reporter the trump juggernaut still leaving top tier candidates on unsure footing. For this week, tom llamas, abc news. Thanks to tom llamas for that. Now lets talk to the man himself. Donald trump joins us by phone. A lot to talk about this week, mr. Dump, but i wan s to begin with that news about joe biden. Some news he may be considering the race. Meeting with Elizabeth Warren. Uld he be a tougher opponent than hillary . I dont think so. I think theyre the same. I think hillary may be damaged because of the email thing. You look at general petraeus, whats happened to him. How hes been destroyed and what he did was a fraction of what shes done, but i dont know. Assuming she could get over that which i just dont know how she possibly can but assuming she could, i would say it would be pretty equal. Okay, but lets talk about you right now and your new immigration plan that youve been talking about on the stump. All of your opponents having to react to it at this point. Jeb bush, one of the people who reacted to it saying its going to cost hundreds of billions. From the American Action conservative group, they say the federal government would have to spend roughly 400 billion to 600 billion to address the 11. 2 million undocumented immigrants. Each immigrant would have to be apprehended, detained, legally processed, transported to his or her home country, in turn this would shrink the labor force by 11 million workers and reduce real gdp by 1. 6 trillion. Are you willing to pay that price and where will you get the money. First of all, theyre wrong and jeb bush is a low energy person. He would never be able to do it. He says they come as an act of love. An act of love. People coming and many of them you look at whats happening with the crime, many of them are really causing tremendous problems, and they would be out really fast, immediately, first day we start that movement. We need a wall. We have to get a wall. We need Great Security and were going to have a wall that will not let people in. George, by the way, legally if youre legal, you can come in and well but let me press you on the cost right there, mr. Trump. Theyre saying 406 billion and it would require Big Government apparatus to take everybody down. If you dont think those numbers are right, how much is it going to cost, and where are you going to get the money . Its costing us 130 billion a year and thats peanuts compared to what the real cost is, george. The way we have it now. You have so many illegals. We dont even know how many illegals. I hear 11 million. I hear 30 million. The government has no idea. We have lost control of our country. Weve lost control of our borders. The government has no idea how many illegals are here. Ive been hearing 11 million for five years then i heard 30 million. Nobody has any idea. So if theres no idea how are you going toound them all up, where are you going to get the money . Where are you going to get the forces . Exactly how are you going to do it . What are the specifics here . George, its called management. The first thing we have to do is secure the border but its called management and well get people back in, the really good ones were going to expedite it so they get back so they can at least come in legally. You keep declaring how youre going to do it but you dont say how. Excuse me, george . You declare how youre going to do it but you dont say how. George, im telling you, its called management. You can do this and we can expedite the good ones to come back in and everybody wants that. But they have to come in legally. We have a country, we have to have were a country of laws. Were a country of borders. How can you have a country without a border . How can you have a country without laws . We have to do it and, by the way, what you said in your piece initially is the gang members. You look at the gang members in baltimore, chicago, in ferguson, these people, a lot of them are illegals. These are rough dudes and were going to get them the i understand that you think its a huge problem but i dont its a huge problem but i dont hear specifics on how youre going to do it. My specifics are very simple. Im going to get great people that know what theyre doing. Not a bunch of political hacks that have no idea what theyre doing appointed by president obama that doesnt have a clue. I mean the man doesnt have a clue. People are walking across the border right now right in front of these great people that we have. We have wonderful Border Patrol people. They can do their job but theyre not allowed to do the b. People are walking right into our country totally un nobody even knows where they come from and they walk past guards who are told not to do anything. Do you expect neighbors to start turning in neighbors . I dont know whats going to happen. I can tell you this, we have to have a country were a country of laws and we have to do it that way, george. Theres nothing we can do about it if were going to stand as a country. Theres no choice. We have no choice. We have to do it properly. Now, the candidates that are running against me like jeb bush, he has no clue. Hes never going to be able to do anything. Just look at whats happened with him over the years and whats happened with the last thing we need is another bush. But scott walker changed his mind now because he keeps going back to his pollster and his pollster says trump has a good idea, oh, trump has a bad idea. Oh, no, wait a minute. Trump has a good idea. These people dont know what theyre doing, george. Theyre politicians. They dont know management. I get the best people and we will do it properly and humanely and get the good ones back in. I still havent heard the specifics. I know youre going to do that you will, george, dont worry, youll hear it. But ill move on right now. Scott walker Good Management and its called great people. You know, you talk about jeb bush just a minute ago and say hes a low energy guy. Talk about an article turned out in new York MagazineGabriel Sherman talked to a friend of you, informal adviser and said you called him and warned that friend if im going down, then bush is going down with me. Hes not going to be president of the United States. Did you say that to totally false. I dont know where this comes from. Im hearing it for the first time. I dont mind jeb bush. I think hes a nice person but i dont think he has the energy. You need energy for this job. You cant be soft and we need were a country thats in trouble. We owe 18 trillion. Its going to be up to 20 trillion in a very short period of time which is a very, very bad number when you hit over 20. And we need a person with a lot of smarts, a lot of cunning and a lot of energy, and jeb doesnt have that. I think hes a very nice person. If he became president , if he became president , good luck. Its another bush. Its going to be the same old story. Let me ask i have nothing against jeb bush. I think hes a very nice person. Let me ask you a more philosophical question. Which failure in your career taught you the most . What did you learn from it . Ive had very few failures, george, and if i do have a failure, i try to make it a success. For instance, if a market collapses in the midst of a big construction job, which ive had happen a number of times in a number of times i make those more successful and go back to the bank and fight with them, negotiate, do all sorts of things and have had deals that should have been disasters and would have been more most people and have become great successes. Actually more successful than if the market had stayed good, but i would say this more than anything else, you have to learn from tough times, and ive learned a lot. You talked about scott walker just a minute ago and he drew a lot of headlines this week talking about his efforts to try and maybe outtrump you, one from the new york times. Willing to step away in iowa walker adopts a trumplike stance. The Washington Post, fading in the polls walker aims to attract trump supporters. Reuters in a bid to Jumpstart Campaign walker tries to channel trump. National journal how walker plans to win back donald trump supporters. Are you worried . Well, im not worried because the state is really in trouble. I mean, its a fantastic place. I love the people of wisconsin but if you look at whats going, they have the 2. 2 billion deficit. They were supposed to have a surplus of a billion and have 2. 2 billion. Theres tremendous divisions throughout the state. The roads arent being built properly. You know, he stopped a lot of work because he doesnt want to raise taxes, so instead of raising taxes hes borrowing to t the hilt and the state is very overlevered and its number 38 out of the states. Its ranked number 38. Thats not good, so, you know, im honored that he wants to copy me, and hes a nice man. He was up i gave him Campaign Contributions when he was running for governor. I like him very much, but his state has not performed well. We need somebody thats going to make it perform well. This country perform well, and im the one to do it. I will do a great job, and people are seeing that, and its being reflected in the polls. I mean reuters just came out with a brandnew poll yesterday, 32 for trump. I mean, people want to see real change, not obama change. He used the word change. His change was a bad change. They want to see proper change. They want to see great change. They want to see our country be great again. George. Donald trump, thanks for your time this morning. Thank you very much. Okay, lets give scott walker a chance to respond. Right now he joins us this morning from alabama. Governor, thanks for joining us this morning. You heard donald trump say wisconsin is not performing. Your response . Well, hes using the talking points of the democrats. Those talking points havent worked in the past 4 1 2 years as we won three elections in four years, not just with republican support but with a huge margin amongst independents and even some discerning democrats, why, because we took a 3. 6 billion budget deficit and fixed it and did it while cutting taxes by billions of dollars. Our roads are better and our schools are better. Our state is better. Those are the same talking points the democrats used and didnt work in the past. They wont work now but the one thing i do want to clarify is i do think that there is some real frustration out there. Its why you not only see his numbers up you see some of the other candidates who have not run for office before theyre angry at washington. Heck, im angry at washington and angry at my own Party Leadership who told us they would repeal obamacare and dont see a bill on the desk of the president. I think thats where the real frustration is. In the end if people want someone to fight but not just fight but win and get results and do it without compromising commonsense conservative principles, im the candidate. It sounds like youre following through on what the Washington Post reported had week. They reported on a Conference Call with your fundraisers who said you had to do better in protest, policy and passion. Is that right . Yeah, i think theres no doubt about it and want to see what they saw at the iowa state fair. We had protesters, one who tried to come up on the stage and i said, im not intimidated by you or the left or not intimidated by the special interests in washington and im certainly not intimidated by the Big Government union bosses but early on our state assembly was great but a few of our state senators, some of whom had been in leadership did not want to do the big, bold reforms we did and ill take anybody on including the leadership of my own party in washington if thats what it takes to do what is right for the American People. Also been taking on this question of birthright citizenship and the 14th amendment. Let me put the first sentence of the 14th amend mement up on the screen right now. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. Do you support the first line of the 14th amendment . Well, george, let me step back for a second and tell you an interesting story. Last month i was in a small town in iowa called plainville. In fact, i lived there for awhile as a kid, and a family came from waukesha to confront me. The father was upset i was 1 of the 25 governors that went to court and stopped the president and i told that father, in a very tense situation with the media all around including some from abc news and others out there, i told that father i felt bad for him and his family. I feel bad for families like that but i told them that this president had said i believe some 22 times, 22 times before he did what he did last november that he couldnt do it. He said that he was the president , not the emperor. That he wasnt above the law, and then he went out and changed the law by his actions. It took me and 25 or, excuse me, 24 other governors to stop him in court. The problem here, we need to address the root problem, the issue, which is we need a president who is going to secure the borders, not just give lip service to it like weve seen over the past couple of decades. Secure the border and enforce the laws. My point all week has been and continues to be as it was last month, until we address those core problems well were not addressing the real issue and americans are right to be upset. I understand thats what you feel we have to address but this is a simple yes or no question. Do you support that line of the 14th amendment . Well, i said the law is there and we need to enforce the laws including those that are in the constitution. My point is having this debate about anything else when we dont have politicians who are committed to actually securing the border and enforcing the laws, which means very simply in our country everify. Making sure that every employer ensures that the people working for them are legal to work in this state in this country. That will resolve the problem were talking about and thats what ive been talking about this week. So, youre not seeking to repeal or alter the 14th amendment . No, my point is any discussion that goes beyond securing the border and enforcing laws are things that should be a red flag to voters out there who for years have heard lip service from politicians and are understandably angry because those politicians havent been committed to following through on those promises. I hope the one thing people see in my state, i had 100,000 protesters on a different issue and had all sorts of Death Threats and all sorts of other abuse. People in my state will tell you whether they agree or disagree. One thing i do when i make a promise i follow through on it. My promise is to truly secure the border and enforce the laws of this great country. Lets talk about health care and you put out a plan calling for the replacement of obamacare with a series of tax credits for everyone who would be escalating over age. This is what one of your rivals, governor bobby jindal had to say about this. Scott walkers plan does create a new Entitlement Program and guarantees universal coverage for every american, one estimate this week says it would cost over a trillion dollars. And he doesnt tell us how he would pay for this plan. So how much will your plan cost, and how will you pay for it . Well, hes just wrong on that, in fact, conservative commentator after commentator from the wall street journal and the National Review and others said its the best plan out there and, in fact, its one of the only plans out there about freedom and giving patients and families the control of their own money. We repeal obamacare immediately. On day one we send the bill up to congress and day one we get rid of the special provisions for congress, their families, staff and everyone else to make sure they repeal it entirely immediately and give people a tax credit for those who dont have Health Insurance from their employer. If you get it from your employer it wont be touched. If anything your premiums will go down because putting in place reforms will help Lower Health Care cost, not raise them as we saw under obamacare but give people a tax credit and goes up by age because before obamacare thats what happened. Your Health Care Costs go up over age. The credit goes up over age. We allow people to apply that to the Health Care Plan they want or not buy health kcare insurance if they dont want but we put the freedom back in the hands of the American People and for us its a simple way to do it thats cost neutral, repeals all of the trillions worth of tax increases you see under obamacare and gives us one of the biggest tax cuts weve had in the past 40 some years, one of the most progrowth systems, and we do it by making sure we have a tax system that appropriately acknowledges some of the top tier Health Insurance plans by giving medicaid back to at mays it cost neutral. Real finally, you heard donald trump say he doesnt think hillary can overcome this email issue. Do you agree with that, and and will it still be an issue in the general election . Well, i think she has all sorts of problems when it comes to health care. Hillary cares more about the ruling class than the middle class and trying to give special breaks or talking about giving special breaks to some of her biggest supporters while the rest of us are stuck with it. When it comes to email i dont think americans can trust her. Every day we see more information about emails, theyre not about emails but National Security and put my National Security at risk and put your National Security at risk and put the American Peoples National Security at risk. Hillary clinton would be a pretty good deceiver in chief. But i dont think we can trust her as commander in chief. Sounds like you are ready to make it an issue if you get the nomination. Scott walker, thanks for your time this morning. Thank you, george. When we come back those, three american heroes who risked their lives to stop a deadly terror attack. Fresh details on their harrowing story. And what was behind the worst week on wall street in years . 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They acted on instinct wrestling away an assault weapon as the attacker slashed them with a knife. Authorities say they prevented a massacre, and abcs david wright is in paris with the latest details on their stunning bravery. Good morning, david. Reporter good morning, george. Youre right, stunning is the word for it. These three americans were vacationing here in france, two Service Members and a college student, childhood friends who were on that train bound for paris when a gunman burst into the car and started shooting. Without thinking of their own safety, they leapt into action. Slightly battered but clearly in good spirits, airman first cla Spencer Stone waved to reporters after being released from the hospital. Hes one of three americans being hailed as heroes for thwarting what could have been a deadly terror attack on a parisbound train. Dude, i tried to shoot him. Reporter the immediate aftermath captured on cell phone video. Thats spencer bleeding from the neck and hand after disarming the suspect, now hog tied on the floor, his arsenal of weapons nearby. Stone was on the train with two childhood friends Army National guardsman Alek Skarlatos and a college student, anthony sadler, when the gunman emerged from the bathroom wielding an ak47. We see the gunman enter the back of the train with the ak in his hand, and hes cocking it about to shoot it, and my friend alek just yelled, spencer go. Spencer got to the guy first. Grabbed the guy by the neck, and i grabbed the handgun. We were scared for sure, but i mean adrenaline mostly just took over because i mean i didnt even have time to think. Reporter a british businessman also made the splitsecond decision to help subdue the gunman. It was purely survival. I said to myself, okay, maybe i have a chance if i get up and i help, as well. Reporter french Authorities Say the suspect identified as 25yearold Ayoub El Khazzani was on a security watch list, thought to have ties to radical islamist groups. This country is, of course, still on high alert after the deadly Charlie Hebdo attacks in january. The authorities here thankful that that scene was not repeated thanks to these quickthinking americans. Tomorrow, the french president plans to thank them personally at a ceremony here at the elysees palace. And they deserve every accumulate they get. Now to that huge selloff on wall street this week. The dow dropping 6 , more than 500 points on friday alone. Its worst day in nearly four years. Investors and everyone with a 401 k bracing for more turbulence from Global Markets opening later today. Our market expert, rebecca jarvis, tracking it all, and what triggered this big fall this week . Two key issues here, george. First off fears of a Global Economic slowdown and the Federal Reserve on the verge for the first time in six years of hiking interest rates, which means the cost of borrowing goes up for everyone. Anyone who wants a mortgage, a car loan, a credit card, that gets more expensive. And what are you hearing about whats going to happen next when markets open tomorrow . Well, what were hearing right now is that things are pointing lower. But, of course, no one can call the future. No one knows with certainty. What you look at is where the selling is and it is widespread right now. The blue chips, walmart, exxon, apple, shares in apple are down 20 since april. These are sizable companies, and theyre all facing lower and then you look at the fear gauge on wall street. Its called the volatility index where they actually measure fear. That spiked to the highest level so far this year on friday, so were setting up for a very volatile week. What were going to be watching tonight is obviously when china opens, because china has been very significant, the weakness there has been rippling over into our markets for some time now. A lot of eyes on that. Okay, rebecca, i know youll be watching it as well. Well talk to you tomorrow. Up next here the democrat looking for traction by taking on trump but is Martin Omalley ready to get tough on hillary too . He joins us live. Us live. Everywhere you look, it strategy is now business strategy. . And a partnership with hp can help you accelerate down a path created by people, technology and ideas. To move your company from what it is now. To what it needs to become. Our roundtable and Martin Omalley standing by and check out washingtons other big news this weekend. Two new cubs born saturday to giant panda to mei xiang. They say the second cub caught them by surprise never showing up on ultrasound. Names are still to come and well be right back. Ome and well be right back. 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And governor Martin Omalley joins us now from davenport, iowa, after that appearance in front of trumps hotel in las vegas this week, governor, thank you for joining us this morning. That was actually pretty mild from mr. Trump. Thank you, george. He also said this week that youre a disgusting, little, weak, pathetic baby. Your response . My response is im not going to get into a namecalling debate with mr. Trump but i do take great exception to the hateful language that he uses with regard to whole groups of new american immigrants, and i also have a great deal of disagreement with the economic policies he espouses, which are good for billionaires but bad for working people including those folks working at minimum wage at his hotel that he will not even allow to have the right to be heard and to bargain collectively for better wages. The biggest challenge in our country right now, george, is how do we get wages to go up again for americans instead of down. 70 of us are working harder but not getting ahead, and thats not the way our country is supposed to work or our economy is supposed to work, and mr. Trumps policies are absolutely the wrong sort of policies that would perpetuate this sort of wage stagnation. Do you think hes got any chance of being the nominee . Excuse me . Does donald trump . I suppose he could, which is why, you know, why we have such an outstanding opportunity here if only the Democratic Party would Start Holding debates. I mean, when you listen to their debates, very few of their candidates take him on directly. For the hatemongering, for the hateful speech about women and about immigrants, and so we have an opportunity as the Democratic Party if wed Start Holding debates to talk about the ideas that actually make wages go up, raising the minimum wage, allowing workers to organize, making investments in our own country again. These are the things that will actually make the American Dream real again. I know youre calling for more debates, the first one is scheduled for october, october 13th but i wonder what kind of case you will make over the course of those debates. Your iowa cochair George Appleby said the major factor in this nomination fight will be age and said i dont think well go back to someone much older whether Bernie Sanders, 73, Hillary Clinton, 67. Do you agree thats going to be a major fact and is that a case youre going to make . Well, i believe that the country is looking for new leadership. We cant be this dissatisfied with how the economy is working for most of us or this dissatisfied at our very divided or polarized National Politics and think a resort to old names is going to move us forward so im in iowa today and now visited 30 of the 99 counties, and were getting a very strong response on the ground from those activists who actually make the decision in the walks, and the phrase i hear over and over again, george, is the phrase, getting things done. There are many fine candidates in the Democratic Party who espouse progressive goals and values and will make progressive promises, but im the only one in our party who has 15 years of executive experience actually getting these things done, actually passing a living wage, passing the d. R. E. A. M. Act, passing marriage equality, creating an economic environment that the u. S. Chamber of commerce called the number one state in america for innovation and entrepreneurship. These are the things that we need to do as a country so we can include more of our people, more fully in the economic youll hammer home on getting things done. Will it be harder to make that case if vice President Biden gets in . I would you know, i have a great deal of respect for vice President Biden. Hes a very, very good and decent man. It would be nice to have at least one more lifelong democrat in the race, and i think his wisdom, i think his experience would is that a shot at Bernie Sanders for being part of the socialist party . No, its a compliment to vice President Biden for also being a lifelong democrat. Okay. One other story about Hillary Clinton. You have said that this whole issue of emails is a distraction, a distraction from the campaign and youve refused to take it on so far. But i want to show you poll numbers that came out from the quinnipiac poll from key states of florida, ohio and pennsylvania. They were asked is Hillary Clinton honest and trustworthy. 60 in ohio said no, 64 in florida, 63 in pennsylvania said no. You just heard scott walker say she would be the deceiver in chief. Do you believe shes honest and trustworthy . George, this is why we need to have debates because so long as our Democratic Party is not talking about the issues that matter most around the Kitchen Table the only question that will be asked every day, and its a legitimate question by media, people like yourself or by the republicans are questions about Hillary Clintons emails. Those are questions that i will leave to her and to her lawyers to answer. But as a party, we need to wake up, and we need to start having debates about the issues that really matter like making college more affordable for more families, making wages go up and not down. Making the investments that allow us to move to a 100 Clean Energy Future as a nation so we can square our shoulders to the challenge of climate change. Until we start having debates and offering those ideas that move our country forward, were going to be bogged down in questions of what did Hillary Clinton know and when did she know it, and we cannot allow our party to be branded by those sorts of questions of the past. We have to look to the future and we have to offer the ideas that move our country forward. Thats why these debates are so important. Do you think you can convince the dnc to add more debates . I think the dnc will become convinced as they look at the poll numbers that you just put up there that were really hurring ourselves by not putting forward ideas that serve our national interests. The new ideas and the new generation of leadership people are looking for will be found in the Democratic Party, not the hatemongerers of the Republican Party. We need to offer these ideas. Governor omalley, thanks for your time this morning. Thank you, george. The roundtable is up next. What do they make of hillarys trouble, trumps dominance and the remarkable grace of jimmy carter . So, im ready for anything and looking forward to a new adventure. You were in charge of it. You were the official in charge. Did you wipe the server. What, with a cloth or something . We have turned over the server. They can do whatever they want with the server to tig out whats in, whats not there, but we turned over everything that was workrelated, every single thing. Personal stuff, we did not. I had no obligation to do so and did not. Thank you all. Hillary clinton right there taking those questions on her emails this week showing a bit of frustration but then moving on. I want to talk about that on our roundtable joined by Democrat Bill richardson, former governor of new mexico, cabinet secretary u. N. Ambassador for president clinton as well, ana navarro, close to jeb bush, rich lowry, editor of the National Review. Nancy gibbs and matt bai from yahoo news, and lets begin with Hillary Clinton and the emails. Rich lowry, the cover is it going to sink hillarys campaign . The hillary team says thats overblown. What do you think . The problem she has no one believes her. The reason why she set up this private system was clearly to maintain complete control over her official records. And now shes a hostage to fortune depending on what the fbi concludes about the lawfulness of this arrangement and depending on what of her personal emails are recovered, socalled personal because its really hard to believe that she sent tens of thousands of emails as secretary of state all about her yoga routines and wedding cakes and all the rest of it its also hard to believe they would make such a declarative statement that there was anything there marked classified. I talked to clinton supporters, nancy gibbs, that believes she has to come out and sort of say what she has said before, which is that, yeah, it was probably a mistake to set this personal system up. I think the problem is the declarative statements havent been that declarative. It was nothing was classified then it was nothing was more classified at the time. Every time the statements change, i think it reinforces the notion that the whole story is out, and apologize iing isnt the necessarily strongest suit for her, and so i dont know that youre going to go that far to say i made a mistake but you do increasingly hear people in her party saying without some acknowledgement that this looks really bad and feels bad in a visceral way to voters on the trust factor will be hard for it to be behind them. Matt bai, there are questions about the quinnipiac poll but its got to be an alarm bell for democrats. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, it is an alarm bell. We always hear in politics its not the crime, its the coverup. I think here its not the coverup. Its the attitude. And this is whats driving this trust deficit is the idea that whether people care really about the emails or the servers or whether they understand the details there is this attitude i shouldnt have to answer these questions. She walked away from the media last week. But to be fair, she did answer the questions first. But very testily and incompletely and with a very tepid apology. I think thats the issue that goes forward even more than whatever happens with the servers. What democrats have to be worried about when they look at the numbers on the trust deficit is that the signal is one of entitlement, that the signal is one that says im taking this nomination. Im the only one out there and not going to have to answer some of these questions that people want answered. I think that would worry me if i were running her campaign. And, bill richardson, joe biden watching this closely. Has this meeting with Elizabeth Warren yesterday clearly reaching out in all the early states, as well. Do you think he gets in . I dont think he gets in. I think the personal situation hes going through and the fact that Hillary Clinton is way ahead. I mean, i know that shes having these problems now but with fundraising, with her shes got a superb organization, you know, and, by the way, she will be very strong after iowa and New Hampshire in super tuesday in minority states with a Broad Coalition of women and progressives and minorities. I dont think he gets in, but if he gets in, he will be a formidable challenger. I should point out youve had your difficulties with the clintons in the past even though you worked for president clinton. You endorsed barack obama in 2008, caused a rift with the clintons but now some mending of fences . We patched things up with both clintons, with secretary clinton and president clinton. You know, for seven years there was hostility. When i did the endorsement of president obama, which i stand by, but i didnt do it right. I didnt handle it right, and so we patched things up. Weve had long conversations with both of them. Im supporting her now because i think shes got the best candidacy. Talk about the issues, i mean what shes come out with on the economy, on job growth, on climate change, on immigration, on Foreign Policy, she was a good secretary of state. Im glad you did that, bill, because, you know, the clintons have a long memory. I thought if she became president you were going to have to selfdeport. Let me assure you, george, i have not patched things up with clinton just in case youre now you need to patch things up with James Carville who i remember had some very choice words for you at the time. Ill tell you the truth. I was very close with president clinton, so for seven years, you know, this was like an albatross, so i dont want anything from them, but i wanted to clear this up. I still think shes by far the best candidate of all the candidates. Shes got the experience. Shes got a tremendous amount of policy positions that are new that need to be looked at. Ana, what about this maneuvering by joe biden at this point . No one can get inside his head i guess right now, but the question i would have if he gets in, what case does he make . Would he go directly at these issues of honesty and trustworthiness . You know, im not even sure he needs to go to those issues because the press is doing so much. I think the case he makes is ive got as much if not more Foreign Policy experience and i dont have any baggage. The problem with this clinton email story is that its not going away. Theres new revelations practically every week, and its been a drip, drip, drip now for, what, six months, and her response to it is really not the best. We see her joke about it. You know, when your email users are under doj investigations, you shouldnt be laughing. This email thing is overblown. Past seconds of state have done it at the time 2009 this was a practice you could make a choice. Colin powell did it at the very beginning. You know what i would have said because i was in the cabinet i would have said, you know what, i dont want an official classified email system. I want to have my own private server. Why . Because of wikileaks and because of hacking and because of leaks. No one else in the cabinet did. Well, colin powell did. Colin powell didnt set up his own server. And you look at former cia director john deutch had to be pardoned by bill clinton for keeping classified information unsecured computers at home. Is there any classified or unclassified theres no classified email. Theres no theres nothing there anyone who served in government and handled classified material knows this is appalling, and if they did a similar thing, their career would be at risk and theyd be in legal jeopardy and thats why its so serious. But theres no classified emails. You dont know that. There have been emails that have been identified for further review. This is overblown. This is political. This is political. You guys are the fbi is not political. Listen, it is not political when youre talking about the department of justice and the fbi. You know, was it political against David Petraeus . When youre talking about National Security we dont know exactly what the fbi is looking at right now but i do want to move on to donald trump and the republicans right now. Nancy gibbs, you sat down with him this week on the cover of Time Magazine and hes just about everywhere and certainly seems to be working so far leading, you know, the lead which a lot of people thought would dissipate solidifying across the summer. We talk about politics like its physics with immutable laws. With him, everything that was supposed to sink him has lifted him instead so i think the fascinating question, not what he would or would not do as president but what he will or will not do ash hes not going to answer a lot of that. Its august. Why write the end of the story when what were seeing is a fascinating change in the landscape that is affecting obviously the other republican candidates. Its affecting the conversation. It has many more people paying attention than weve ever seen at this stage of the race. That which i think is all to the good to be having 24 Million People tune in to a debate is great. Its stunning. And is amazing, and so you know what im interested is is he the only one who can make the moves hes making, say the things hes saying. We have seen other candidates who go down the same road. When jeb bush uses the term anchor babies he gets much more in trouble with it because he knows thats not a term he should be using and makes him look disingenuous. He was using it as a term of reference. Using it in a completely different way than donald trump was. He does seem to be playing by or at least held to a different set of rules, a different set of standards, but, matt, youre digging into the numbers and you think theres a little bit less there than meets the eye. It doesnt take a lot of digging. You did try to pin him down. I commend you for it. You got nowhere with him but you tried, right . Thats all you can do is ask the question. Look, i dont think were reporting this with a lot of perspective. I get that its a great story but, look, he has a finite plurality right now with the republican electorate because he is the collision of entertainment and politics. Hes a tv star and hes hit on an issue that brings out a great well of emotion in some part of the republican electorate. But, look, the reason we talk about donald trump as winning, solidifying a lead is because the broad swath of the republican electorate is divided among all everybody over the position of dog catcher is running for president. Youve got more than ten serious candidates which means, you know, theyre all dividing the field and right now nobody has stepped up to fill that void. Thats the question. Why can no one else consolidate any support . Yeah, its been remarkable. No idea, no policy proposal. No argument from the other candidates has caught fire the way donald trump has. And, yes, matt, i think youre right. Its finite plurality, but every other candidate would kill to have that finite plurality right now, and you have to believe the evidence of your eyes, 20,000, 30,000 people in mobile, alabama. He generated the kind of enthusiasm we havent seen in republican politics for a long time. Thats not New Hampshire and part of this, we have to admit, is media giving him so much oxygen such a great story no question about that. But the question is, where does the energy go now that it has been unleashed . Ana, thats the question i want to bring to you because theres this big debate going on. Does he end up defining the Republican Party with some of these positions or do his rivals define themselves in opposition to him . Yeah, i think theres people that have taken different tacts. Some are running tall with him and some are confronting him and i think its going to, frankly, depend on who ends up being the nominee. If the nominee is somebody like a jeb bush, like a john kasich, like a marco rubio, no, he wont end up defining the Republican Party. If its donald trump or somebody like ted cruz who ran close to him then we have a completely different perspective but i think, look, i think donald trump has figured this out. Hes got us all running in the donald trump hamster wheel. He says something controversial, we cover it. They make everybody else running, you know, react to it and we go from one controversy to another. You know, ive run for office for 30 years. Crowds, polls, that doesnt get the vote out. What gets the vote out is organization, get your base out. My prediction is this guy towards early in the Iowa Caucuses flames out. Hell be a factor, but he wont win. Whos positioning themselves best to pick up his votes if he does, indeed, fall . Probably ted cruz. I think hes being underestimated. He very well could win iowa. And if he wins iowa, he has much more resources and organization than the past winners of iowa, Rick Santorum and Mike Huckabee but i think one thing people underappreciate about trump, this isnt just a right wing phenomenon. You look at his supporters, its across the party, it not just tea partyers but its moderates so it could scatter in unpredictable ways if he does deflate. Nancy, when you sat down with him this week, i get the sense from him and his people that over the summer theyve been focusing on what comes after iowa and New Hampshire and hes at least planning in being for a long time. I think theyve been taken we asked how surprised he was by this. It isnt just the Political Class that has been sort of shocked by what has happened. I think he is too. But, you know, this is its really worth remembering that above all, this is a very successful salesman, and what we are seeing right now is an act of salesmanship. I dont think this is about policy as much as talk about the immigration plan. Im not sure he is fully aware of everything in the immigration plan. During our interview some of the things he said were entirely aligned with what is actually in the white paper. I think right now this is much more about the discontent people feel with everything about our political system. It isnt anger, i think, so much as discouragement and theyre willing to experiment. Theyre willing to experiment with someone who sounds very different than the last guy they experimented with which was barack obama who too i wouldnt underestimate the importance of the immigration issue. Because this is the issue where the elites of both parties, democrats and republicans, are most out of touch with popular sentiment and were not going to deport everyone. Were not going to bring them back. Both sides of those equations are very small absurd, but he is hitting on something very important and his polling the republican field in a more populist direction which its going to cost its going to cost election day with the hispanic vote. 40 is what any republican candidate needs to win the presidency. Mitt romney talked about selfdeportation. He got 23 , and i believe donald trump is because of the hispanic vote is going to be so insulted by what he has said, and thats 11 of the voters matt bai. When he talks about whats driving the field this is where the other republican candidates are making a mistake. They seem to think and maybe driven somewhat by the media they seem to think they need to outtrump trump to get his voters. That broad base of the republican electorate, the votes they actually can get and should get hasnt found a candidate and they should be speaking, i think, to that constituency that can put them over the top instead of trying to get voters which may be why jeb bush i dont think everybody is trying to outtrump trump but candidates are confronting trump. Thats going to be the last word today. Before we go i want to make sure you tune in to abc tonight. My gma coanchor and friend Robin Roberts has a special tonight. Its called katrina 10 years after the storm at 10 00 eastern. Thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. Check out world news tonight and ill see you tomorrow on gma. After 40 years of active duty the admdmiral retires