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Dickerson blaming the Republican Party rules for recent delegate losses. Well see what rnc chairman Reince Priebus has to say. Plus new Battleground Tracker polling well talk to dr. Anton knee fauci about the zika virus here in the u. S. All coming up on face the nation. Captioning sponsored by cbs good morning welcome to face the nation im john dickerson. The New York Primary is two days away, according to our cbs news battleground trammer the forecast is looking good for the front runners. Donald trump leads republican field by more than 30 points. And ted cruz and john say sick are in a tight race. Things look promising in the keystone fate for donald trump, too. 20 point lead at 46 , cruz and kasich are in close race for second with 26 and 23 support among republican primary voters. California is one of the last stops on the primary calendar over the top with the 1237 delegates he needs to secure the nomination. With 49 support. Fuzz comes in at 31 , john kasich is at 16. Turning now to the race for the democratic nomination, Hillary Clinton spent most of her weekend in california, our Battleground Tracker has her up there by 12 points over Bernie Sanders. 52 to 40 . And in her adopted home state of new york, she holds on to her ten point lead, 53 of democratic primary voters say they will support her and 43 are going for Bernie Sanders. As for Bernie Sanders weekend he is back from his trip to the vatican where he met briefly with pope francis and he joins you us now from new york. Welcome, sector, what happened to the democratic race there. The New York Times described you as ferocious performance in the debate this week. Ferocious, im not sure what that means. I think what ive become a little bit tired of being beaten up by the negativity of the Clinton Campaign. Worry ponding. She has super packs and raises whole lot of money. She is 1 minimum wage, not good enough. I am for 15 an hour minimum wage. I have views on Foreign Policy with the war in iraq, with syria are different than mine. Views on fracking, whether or not we have clean water in the United States and around the world are very different than mine. I think what we are doing, i am doing making very clear that my views are out there. I represent the needs of working families in the middle class i am prepared to take on powerful special interests. Dickerson what negativity got you so irritated from Hillary Clinton . You name it. I mean, she came in after we had won eight out of nine caucuses and primaries they made it very clear that what their goal was, i disqualified defeat and then reunite the party later on. Gone after us in every single area that represents my views. Idea that they have said in the past that i attack planned parenthood when i regard planned parenthood, for example, as one of the great organizations in this country. I want to expand for planned parenthood. But on and on it goes. What you are seeing now is the real differences of the opinions between secretary clinton and myself. Probably most significantly we raised 7 Million Individual Campaign Contributions more than any candidate in American History at this point. Averaging 27. She is out there raising money for the wealthy and powerful, i think you can judge a candidate based on how you raise money and who you ultimately become dependent upon. Dickerson let me ask you about that. You were named to example where the money she raised from wall street influenced her, you didnt offer an example she said that proved the attack was first of all i did offer example. Second of all, another one. She voted for a bad bankruptcy piece of legislation. Which benefited wall street at the expense of hard pressed consumers in this country. Thats an example. You never can say, john, just because you vote for something that that was caused by something else. Dickerson isnt that the implication of what youre offering in the critique, isnt that what youre saying . The broader critique is after wall streets greed and illegal behavior destroyed our economy and drove us into a major recession, in my view the proper response, of many economists and americans, these people are running an operation, we cant trust them. They have too much wealth, they have too much power, too much concentration of ownership, the proper response, my view then, my view today is break them up. That is not Hillary Clintons response. That is the best example but another piece of legislation where she was on the wrong side of the issue. Dickerson t money she takes to position on minimum wage which you mentioned the 200,000 speech fees that shes gets then she doesnt support the 15 National Minimum wage. Arent you kind of fuzzing up what is Economic Policy disutes you have with her and making it seem like shes just being stingy . No, not a question of being stingy. If you can go before Goldman Sachs or Morgan Stanley end up after an hours work for 0 minutes work with 250,000 check, and that is your life, then refuse to support the fight for 15, the need to have a 15 an hour National Minimum wage, you are living in world far removed from where working people are. The truth is minimum wage today is a starvation wage, 112 an hour for you is not enough, the American People in state after state now moving to shes behind the curve. Dickerson but you say maybe if you make 225 in an hour maybe dont know what its like to live on ten bucks minimum wage. Dickerson on the crime bill there was lot of discussed in the 1994 crime bill which you voted for, which she supported, do you regret your support for that crime bill now in retrospect . That bill, whenever you have piece of legislation that has the big bill lot of stuff in it it has violence against women act, during my tenure as mayor of burlington worked very hard against Domestic Violence and ban on assault weapons, something that i believe in, i believe back in 1988 when i ran for office. But there is no debate that that legislation has resulted in massive incarceration, we have more people in jail than any other countrya broken criminal Justice System, i am leading the effort to make certain that we have ve criminal Justice System right now. People are in jail who should not be in jail. Have to prevent people go from into jail. We need a parole system. We need to end socalled war on drugs which has resulted in a disproportionate number of African Americans being arrested. Enormous amount of work that has to be done now to address the crisis in criminal justice. Dickerson a quick political question. Donald trump says democratic nomination is stacked against you because of the superdelegates, do you agree . Its not only that, i will tell you, the answer is, yes. That Hillary Clinton is the candidate of the establishment. And she has many, many times superdelegates than we have. Ill tell you something also is of concern to me. Were going into tuesday, were fighting hard, i think we have real shot to win on tuesday if there is a large voter turn out. Here in new york state, you have Voting System which makes it impossible for independents to participate in the democratic primary, that makes it impossible for people to election which many states do. Which is going to result in a lower voter turn out than i would like to see. But at the end of the day, because we are defeating trump by large number than secretary clinton in poll after poll and state poll, lot of these superdelegates are going to concludes that Bernie Sanders is the candidate what must not be allowed to happen this is donald trump becoming president of the United States. Dickerson thanks so much for being with us. Thank you. Dickerson now to the republican race. Reince priebus joins us from party headquarters, welcome, mr. Chairman. Donald trump seems to have Pretty Simple charge in the case hes making which is the person who gets the most votes should get the nomination. Why is that wrong . Well, its majority of rules party and the reality is, that having plurality means that the field has a delegates in order to be the nominee and ultimately the delegates of our party through the votes and participation all the states decide who the nominee of our party is. Dickerson id like to play a clip of something that donald trump said and get your reaction to it. The Republican National committee, they better get going. Because ill tell you what, you are going to have a rough july at that convention. You better get going, you better straighten out the system. Dickerson do you take that has a threat . Not particularly. I dont know if its hyperbole or positioning the truth is, that they are facts. The rnc doesnt have the power to change the rules between now and the convention. The rules were set years ago and each states delegate system was set in october of 2015. And its up to the delegates at the convention to decide what theyre going to do and its up to each individual state over the next four years to decide how theyre going to allocate delegates. I dont take it personally, john, because i kind of just rest on the truth. It matters when something is right and something is wrong to me. Dickerson but he has shown some ability to get his supporters exercised and energized when he says Something Like this, i wonder if that gives you any pause . Well, i mean, sure, it gives you pause but thats why im talking to you and im talking to many Media Outlets as much as i can to set the record straight. That the rules have been set, the rules are set by each individual state, the rnc doesnt have the authority to change the rules, even if we wanted to. Each candidate has to know the rules, learn the rules and abide by the rules and ultimately the majority will decide everything in cleveland. Dickerson you mentioned that the delegates are the ones who make the rules, its a their hands. Trumps complaint would be that some of these delegates who are coming in that hed be snookered out of those delegates, that those delegates are not being picked through a fair process. So that while they make the rules, the people who actually going to cleveland are getting there through a funny system. Well, theres two parts. One part, there are delegates that are allocated to each candidate based on the outcome of each of these contests. Like, for example, in florida, donald trump won all delegates, 100 even though he received about 55 of the vote. Those delegates are bound to donald trump no matter what. They could like someone else but theyre bound to vote for donald trump. Now, theres another part of the process which is making sure that as a candidate the people that are sitting in those seats are people that once the process gets going are friendly to your wishes and desires. Thats a function of each each of these states with grass roots activists in the party. Because ultimately its the grass roots in our party that have a lot of power at the convention over what the rules say and what the Committee Work is. Thats just Relationship Issue in each of the states. Dickerson do you think donald trump is just not very good at that second stage part of the process . Its not matter of good or bad just matter of the facts being that each campaign has to go into each of these states and work with the party and the grass roots, if they want to have 100 of everything they want to have happen they have to be 100 committed to each of these states and how they select delegates. Dickerson is Donald Trumps ally, roger stone, who has worked with him over the years, has threatened to send out the room numbers of any delegate who is pledged to trump on the first ballot but then switches, what yeah, its not helpful. Its not i dont find it to be an appropriate threat and im committed to making sure that the delegates have a great week, that they have a fun week. But a construcktive week and safe week. Were going to do that. Well have plenty of security, plenty of protection for all the delegates. Well be prepared. It will be a great convention. It will be convention. And either way whether we have presumptive nominee beforehand or at the convention its going to be a great week. I no that if everyone here understands that were watching American History. Dickerson all right. Chairman priebus we thank you for being with us. Thank you, john. Dickerson up next with more on our Battleground Tracker is cbs News Elections directorial honey salvanto, you think id get it right. Tell us first, where we are in new york and california with the republicans. Well, new york sets up v without the home state advantage. They see him as authentic, they see him as effective, which in new york more so than some other states they define as president who could negotiate. That same metric helping john kasich, too. Also see donald trump as most electable of the candidates, when we asked these new yorkers who know him best do you think that donald trump will pivot to the general election become a little less outspoken than he is right now. They overwhelmingly said, no. Dickerson theyre okay with him being outspoken because theyre new yorkers. Theyre forkers. In california we see a lot of very conservative republicans. We dont often Pay Attention to california as we get to this part of the primary process but they will have, if you will, their moment in the sun or at least their political sun as they will probably be the decisive primary when it all comes down to it whether or not donald trump goes over the top. There the immigration question helps him a lot, thats keeping him on fears of terrorism, all of those things are propelling him. Well see dynamic in california that makes for fitting final to, all of this because the electorate there looks very much like the kinds of conservatives who have been participating in these primaries all the way up to now. Dickerson lets pull back now and look at the entire republican race, the big question is, how well does donald trump have to do in new york to get him to that to get to 1237 that number we keep hearing. The key for everyone watching new york, can donald trump get over radio . The polls suggest egg. If he does get the bulk of delegates out of new york. He needs to do that to get back on the path to 1237 now what we mean by paths hes got to then keep on winning through april, through may then out to a big win in california. In order to make it. Even if he does the mass suggests its going to be close. Dickerson a squeaker. Update us on the democrats in new york and california. The racn previous primaries which is to say, Bernie Sanders leads Hillary Clinton on some metrics like honest and trustworthy, like being authentic. Clinton is up on him big on, is she specific about policy. Shes got wide lead there, there is criticism of Bernie Sanders in new york. Shes got the demographics on her side as well. All that have adds up to her lead. With keeping Bernie Sanders Campaign Going also is that his voters say this they feel they are part of a larger movement. A movement that is larger than just their individual vote. I think that contributes a plot to the enthusiasm that they continue to feel. Dickerson may take that movement all the way to the convention. So tell us now where the democratic big picture is with pledge delegates, then superdelegates, walk people through that. The elected delegates will probably not shift very much coming out of new york. Because in the democratic races they give out delegates to both the winner t so, anywhere near close probably just about split them. The difference, as you mentioned in your interview is superdelegates. They are Party Leaders and elected officials who are free to choose whichever candidate they want. Right now they overwhelmingly back Hillary Clinton. So the difference for Bernie Sanders is, if hes going to catch Hillary Clinton, the math is not on his side, if he is, he needs not only big wins in places like new york to get elected delegates but also have to do some persuasion. Hell have to convince these Party Leaders, elected officials that are superdelegates to come over to his side as well. Dickerson thank you for straightening that out for us. Well be back in one minute. , day to feel alive jake reese, day to feel alive jake reese, day to feel alive dickerson we turn now to another story that dominated the headlines, the growing fears over the zika virus. Dr. Anthony fitcher is the director of allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institutes of health. Dr. Fauci, tell americans what they can expect in the United States this summer . Well, we already have whats called travelrelated cases over 350 people got infected in the regions in south america, the caribbean and here in the United States. We very likely, though you cant say definitively will get local transmitted cases as we get into the robust mosquitoe season into the summer. The reason we think that is going to happen is because infections that are quite similar to see could like chicken flu which are transmitted by exactly the same mosquitoe and have been in the caribbean, south america for awhile weve seen in the past little clusters of local transmitted cases within the country. The critical issue is that in the past weve successfully prevented it from becoming sustained and disseminated. Thats what we have to be prepared to do when we do get those locally transmitted cases in the united s happening to, move quickly, do you need congress has not acted yet is that are we at state of real peril here or give us sense how urgent things are . We need to act we are acting right now from number standpoint general Public Health standpoint much of the work done for centers for Disease Control and prevention in their work, december micly, domestically in puerto rico and Work International like like south america. At National Institutes of health we already starting on the develop. Vaccine. The cdc and others are responsible because they work with the state and local Health Authorities we cant wait to start those things. Were starting them right now. Dickerson what about congress, how much more helpful would the money from congress be . More than helpful, its necessary. Thats the reason why we asked for it because right now were using money from other accounts to do that and that is going to be just a stopgap measure. Be able to do the full job that we planned to do. Dickerson didnt we go through with this ebola, why doesnt congress get what youre saying . Well, Congress Gave us money for ebola we did very well with ebola. Right now with the fiscal constant theres disagreement. But i can just tell you from a Public Health and research standpoint we do really need that resource in order to be able to get the job done. Dickerson from the Public Health perspective, what should pregnant women or women thinking of becoming pregnant in the united what should they do. If you are in the United States there are no local cases. If you are pregnant, thinking of becoming pregnant, might be pregnant definitely should you not travel to the areas where there are outbreaks such as south america, the caribbean and central america. So the cdc travel advisory should be adhered to by pregnant women. Dickerson what if they doesom the equation . Depends on the extent of local case in the United States. If you just have couple of clusters that you can essentially sustain the suppression of it by not allowing it to become widespread, very likely any major change there. But if we do get widespread changes then well have to reexamine, the cdc in realtime examines what the situation is, makes recommendations accordingly. For example, we just found out over a period of several weeks that theres now sexual transmission from men to women. So, there is from men to even male sexual parter there was case of that. Recommendation now that if youre a man you to go this area you might be infected and come back you should refrain from sex or use safe sex for at least six months if you dont have pregnant partner or have pregnant partner for the entirety of the pregnancy. 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Everybody was wondering why he went to the vatican in the middle of the new york race, at the end of the new york race. I suspect he was maybe looking for some divine intervention because its going to take a minor miracle at this point for him to upset the apple cart here. The fact is, Hillary Clinton has a fairly significant delegate lead. Bernie sanders would have to win landslide after landslide starting in new york to change that math. You look at your own poll and others, it doesnt look like hes going to win in new york, even tie would not be very helpful to and so i think that hes running out of runway here which may be why he seems a little bit aggravated with the whole situation. Dickerson lot of democratic strategists ive talked to in the last week or so have basically said that he has to do some big or there has to happen a huge gamechanging event to change that structure. Do you feel like thats right . Without question. If he if these polls are right and he loses in new york on tuesday, then you have five states coming up the following week, quite a few delegates where polls suggest that hell do no better than tie, may fall behind. Hes going to have to win like twothirds of the remaining pledged delegates to catch Hillary Clinton. And if she is ahead in popular vote and she is ahead in delegates, its very hard to turn to the superdelegates where she has a huge lead and say, you really ought to come with i think hes hes run a splendid campaign, john, hes influenced the debate in a big way. And i think he surprise add lot of people. But a this point it just looks like time is running out. Dickerson did you see his influence on the debate or in this nominating fight in the debate when Hillary Clinton changed her position on minimum wage . Well, theres no doubt that on Economic Issues hes pushed her hard, i think shes responded to that. And probably to her benefit in terms of strengthening her candidacy. A lot has been made of this debate, theres no doubt that it got testy but i think back to 2008, barack obama had a debate with Merry Christmas in myrtle beach that made this look like a high tea. And so, im not i wasnt impressed that this was some sort of cataclysmic confrontation and that the party i think this he has influenced her. I think shes embraced a lot of his positions, i think hell have lot of influence at the convention and probably will ploy those cards very aggressively. Dickerson what is your feeling about the convention . There seems to be everything from sanders campaign, regardless of what the numbers are hes going to go all the way to the convention, maybe make her win it on the first vote. Will that cause bruised feelings . It may cause bruised feelings, one of the advantages that both parties have is the conventions are earlier, theres more time to heal bruised feelings. But it will be interesting to see how he plays it after the final primary on june 7. Hillary clinton endorsed barack obama shortly after the primaries. She did go to a first ballot but she then walked on the floor of the convention and halted the vote and moved that the convention embrace obama by acclimatio the questions whether at 134 point senator sanders will do the same. That would obviously that would be advantageous the Democratic Party. Dickerson is there anything that Bernie Sanders is bringing up in anything thats coming up in the democratic race here that can be weaponized by the other side in a general election, either Hillary Clinton transcripts or anything like that that lives on . John, my sense is that they have quite a weapons factory going over there. Anything that has been fired by Bernie Sanders will be fired by the Republican Party regardless. So, i dont think that Bernie Sanders is doing significant damage that wouldnt be done by the republicans. But i know there are lot of democrats who are concerned about the tone of the debate. That he may land a blow that could weaken her as nominee. My sense is, that once the candidates are chosen given the situation on the republican side that together, some more happily than others. But its hard to see the party sitting idly given whats going on on the republican side. Dickerson let me ask you about the republican side, john kasichs pitch is tougher candidate against Hillary Clintons he right about that . On paper thats true. And theres reason to believe that that is true. Problem is he wants to be the nominee of the Republican Party and the Republican Party doesnt seem interested in everything him as the nominee. So, that is just a theoretical discussion. He has to struggle not overcome marco rubio who has more delegates isnt even in the race. I have respect for john kasich, its very hard to make the case that you finished a distant third there for the party should turn to you. I think hes got very tough road to how here. Dickerson trusts or donald trump from the democratic perspective . I think people have run through that i think that trump in theory is more vulnerable but hes also guy who can land the unexpected blow. He plays by his own set of rules and that makes him a little bit more frightening. Id go for the conventional if i were democrat and id say, lets try cruz see what happens. Dickerson david axelrod, thanks so much for being with us. Good to be with you, john. Dickerson well be right back with our panel. Just gotta get the check. Almost there. I cant reach it. If you have alligator arms, you avoid picking up the check. What . Its what you do. I got this. Thanks, dennis if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. Growwwlph. Its what you do. Oh that is good crispy duck. Dickerson now for our politics panel, susan page is usa todays Washington Bureau chief. Clarence page is come omanis with the chicago tribune. Amy davidson is staff writer contributor for the new yorker. And ron fournier is senior Political Columnist and author of new book love that boy susan page, started with you. Who has better argument between donald trump and Reince Priebus about the republican nominating process . Reince priebus is correct. The rules have been in place for a long time. But donald trump has very powerful political message to make here which is, if he sat in the most votes, got the most delegates why in the world would you deny him the nomination . This is the dilemma i think for the republicans, they have two bad choices, they can nominate trump and lose a lot of traditional republicans who find him unacceptable. They will lose his shorters they dont have good option here. Dickerson when Reince Priebus says the rules, but sometimes, when you look at things in the light of new day seems Reince Priebus says he was rest in the truth. I dont know if he is that restful right now. He didnt look restful. One thing that trump has going for him is that fits so well with the general case hes been making. That things are rigged. That its corrupt. Hes basically worked on the assumption that you cant tell American People that the political system is corrupt. That he explains his contributions to democrats saying, i had to buy them off. It works for him because it doesnt contradict anything that his supporters like about him. Dickerson one thing that donald trump has been doing in addition to making this claim about the Republican Party that hes kind of retooled a little bit his campaign, i dont know, what do you make of it . Do you think that hes found the need to retool because he did not haveu a ground game, for example. Ted cruz has found distinct advantage in number of states by having people there to roust up votes for him. And delegates for him. Even as we know by now the delegates and the votes are not necessarily connected. Hes not in the way most people might think thats why Reince Priebus has this rob frow now, why frump has argument. Much like the florida debacle or is the 68 when Hubert Humphrey got the g. O. P. Nation without having the votes in the primary. Hits the soars by surprise, they say, it is rigged, must go rigged, i dont understand it. This gives trump some traction with that argument. Dickerson what do you make of covered so many president s, as a candidate what does this tell us, Donald Trumps approach to this other complicated business, what does it tel potential president. What are we learning about his skills . That he will do anything he can to get what he wants. Hes a very bot line machiavellian guy. People understand that politics needs to be reformed. Lets talk about the reform on this specific issue. Up to the 1970s everything was picked, all nominees were picked by bunch of white men in smoke filled rooms. And what was said in the Washington Post had sensible blend of voters tart participating making their voices known and men in smokefilled rooms making decisions, at least the establishment. I think Going Forward what Bernie Sanders is tapping in to the public believes in evolution, at least in political evolution, Going Forward we need to have more kelp crate can, more accessible, more transparent process for nominating candidates or these parties no longer will be relevant. If you want to be Relevant Party you need to find different way to nominate people. Dickerson can that be done, susan, while youre trying to put convention together . One thing that Reince Priebus said is not entirely accurate or a little misleading. Thats true in the end. The rnc rules committee is meeting in hollywood, florida, they could send to the Convention Rules cmittee which is separate body different rules. In fact i think we may see a really fierce battle that begins this week in florida over do we use house of representatives rules or use roberts rules of orders how easy would it to be open the nomination to people who did not compete in the primary. This fight is going to start really soon. Dickerson were going to get the key thick that delegates even if theyre pledged to trump in theory are not pledged to him on rules questions. Only on the nomination question. A trump delegate can even before balloting start vote against trump. Focus on who is getting on that rules committee is the campaign. Just as they have been focused on delegates, election process that the trump campaign. They are focused on who is going to sit on that important rules committee on the 18th decides what rules that convention will abide by. Dickerson for a senator whose colleagues say he doesnt know how to play strategy. Hes played the back room part of this very well. Right now this weekend in miamidade county, not using a smoke filled delegates in a warehouse. Dickerson throw back. Susan mentioned the idea of maybe another person coming in on the stage based on the way the rules may be written. Paul ryan, House Speaker tried to take himself off the stage this week. What did you make of that . That song i wont dance he sounds very much like he did when lot of folks wanted him to run for speaker of the house, said he wasnt going to do it. Hes now speaker of the house. I think ryan personally to stay to be honest broker he is speaker of the house. He may be called upon to at least help resolve the disputes that are rising now. I cant help but believe that if he was offered the president ial nomination he would take it. However, folks say, maybe its too soon he wants to wait, because hes basically moderate conservative, pragmatic conservative makes i am very attractive right now find alternative for the more ideological folks. Dickerson best way for him to be a draft candidate on the third, fourth or fifth ballot to have like he wasnt doing it for the country, for the party. Somebodys got to get the nomination. If theres really a deadlock its going to be opened up. And he may say, i hate to do this. You made me. I think paul ryan means what he says. Calculated strategy on his part. I think hes playing longer game, whoever they nominate for president hes going to be an alternative voice for what it is the Republican Party stands for. That is not a bad position to be in. Remember hes also a young guy. He can run in four years, eight years 1 years, when the situation may be less turbulent. I trust the House Speaker here, too. What i dont trust is that unruly, angry, disruptive, desperate for change group of Convention Delegates would do anything conventional. I think thats right. His motors may be right now but may be on the knight ballot where people are looking around or not in the mix right now. Mo udall said, if nominated ill move to mexico. If mexico i will fight extradition. Dickerson lets move now to the democrats here. Ron, what is your sense, situation that Bernie Sanders has to bakesly lightning has to strike for him. His supporters think that that suggests a system is rig had is your feeling about where things really stand . Theyre both right. David axelrod we have to have fundamental change in the race something involving secretary clinton for lightning strikes with Bernie Sanders. And banders are right that the system is rigged. He decided to run in democratic primary which is rigged towards the establish the. Again, in the 70s Democratic Party became more democratic in that primaries have lot more power than they did before the 70s. But they dont want to give up all the party to the people or power to the people. Still have these Party Establishments who get to vote for whoever they want no matter how the voters vote in their districts or in their state. They are going to hold it. David axelrod played down any sense of contention between the two candidates. Lot of people spent time how tough the battle is, push and pull between Bernie Sanders and certainly seems irritated. In my conversation with him what is your sense wherever the democratic race is now how much damage could be created between now and convention . A lot. In terms of the superdelegates it cuts both ways. There are so many superdelegates its basically very possible that Bernie Sanders can present Hillary Clinton from getting absolute majority, the magic number, without any superdelegates. At which point he said that his campaign has said that they will just treat that as a big primary that hasnt happened yet. 700 delegate primary that will happen at the convention and push it to then. A lot is going to depend on how the Clinton Campaign responds to his ideas about a party platform. About their direction, how they go after him f. Its in a way that reinforces questions that sanders supporters have about her forthrightness it could b dickerson one of the things that was brought up in the debate was the 1994 crime bill. Both Bernie Sanders voted for it and Hillary Clinton supported it as part of her husbands administration. Why are we talking about the 1994 crime bill . Because politics, position of the Democratic Party, ideological position really shifted. Also its a different time, crime is much less of an issue than it was in 1994. Lot of people are behind the 1994 crime bill, look what Hillary Clinton herself has described at the consequences which was incarceration of so many African Americans, especially men. Attitudes toward that have changed just as attitudes have changed in significant way since the bill Clinton Administration on things like defensive marriage act. There was series of things moderate centrist democratic president did in the 1990s that dont look that now are controversial in new ways when you look at the party in 2016. Th dickerson clarence, one of clinton for defending has wife for using the term, super predator, in the context of this debate in the 1909s. So, he said basically racist term, everybody knew it was racist term, is that right . No. Quite the opposite. Super predator was term that sociologist came up with who by 1999 was regretting it because looked at the numbers again found that a new generation of super predator teenagers was not created after all, in fact crime went down among juvenile and adults. But meanwhile, though, even most of the Congressional Black Caucus two, votes as i recall supported the crime bill. And felt that somebody needed to be done. The problem was, wanted a broadbased group of reforms to try to prevent people away. They were interested in punitive actions thats why mass incarceration trend increased. Not got a cross Party Coalition now with ted cruz and rand paul who want to see the high cost of incarceration and ineffectiveness of it reversed. So, its a different world now. Policy matter there are now tens of thousands of African Americans who are in jail right now under sentences that have been rolled back by congress because the crack cocaine disparity. But theyre still in jail because they werent grandfathered. In the stroke of the pen, president obama can free them, for some reason hasnt. Just been a few, 30 or 40. But theres thousands of African Americans who are in jail under this crime bill now Democratic Party, but liberal president for some reason hasnt used his powers. The debates of super predator era is with donald trump who one of his early forays in the central park five. These were 14, 15, 16 year olds who were labeled super predators whose execution he called for in ad in the daily news. He later when they were exonerated, shown to be innocent in the last year or two has not regretted that at all. Said that they were pulling scam on the city. Dickerson want to just quickly before we leave here mention, ron, your new book love that boy tell us quickly about where the title comes from, theres a political talk about this later on the web. My son had quirky encounter with president bush, my son was quirky and awkward because he has aspergers condition, a wonderful quirky condition he grabbed me, said love that boy as a father quaint, i love my boy despite his idiosyncrasies. Over the course of doing this book talking about Child Development expert i need to love my son because of what makes him different. Dickerson very quickly then go on tours with him to historical places. Visited with president clinton and president bush and they both could not have been more gracious. How decent these men and women that we cover was very gracious thing. Dickerson all right, thanks so much. Thanks all of you for being with us. Well have more of our conversation with ron on website and well be back in a moment. Is that coffee . Yea, its nespresso. I want in. Youre ready. Get ready to experience a cup above. Is that coffee . Nespresso. What else . Anyway. Dickerson donald trump says his opponents are trying to steal the nomination. That was also the charge at the Republican Convention of 1952. This convention, president of the United States, the name of dwight david eisenhower. Dickerson thats what eisenhower forces chanted. Accused thief, senator robert taft. Taft controlled the party his delegates instead of eisenhower. He rigged, liberally rigged the vote. Dickerson all that stood between taft and nomination was vote by the whole convention. Okaying what the back room base in the Credential Committee had worked out for taft. But debate raged between conservatives who backed taft and eisenhower, who moderately thought was more electable. I accept your summons. I will lead this crusade. Dickerson it was a shocker. Taft was overthrown. In an effort to unite the party, ike chose a rising conservative senator with sterling anticommunist credentials has his running mate. 39yearold richard nixon. Ike rolled on to victory in nor. And the chaos of the 195 convention was swept aside. Republicans were happy conservatives were not they would carry on the fight until they get their own nominee 12 years later, barol well look at his bumpy convention in 1964 in our next installment. Back in a moment. Blat l patients. A deluge of digital records. Xrays, mris. All on account. Of penelope. But with the help of at t, and a network that scales up and down ondemand, the hospital can be ready. Giving them the agility to be flexible reliable. 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