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Polls in wisconsin show tight race on both sides. Bernie sanders is ahead of Hillary Clinton by two points. Among republican primary voters ted cruz leads donald trump by six points, 43 to 37 with john kasich far behind. But trump is up by large margins in both new york which holds its primary on april 19th and pennsylvania with the primary is on april 26. In rocky week for donald trump as he attempts to lock up the 1,237 delegates needed to secure the nomination. We sat down with mr. Trump on friday at trump tower in new york which has a very large indoor waterfall which youll hear in the background. A lot of people want to stop you are they succeeding . I dont know that its been the worst week in my campaign. Ive had many bad weeks and good weeks i dont see this as the worst week in my certainly ive had some weeks youve been, where that was the end then you see poll numbers where they went up. Yeah, people want to stop me because im leading by a lot. Dickerson you had a week where abortion rights everybody on both sides of the abortion issue didnt know what your position was. Your campaign that was asked as hypothetical question. If abortion is illegal. Bottom line is that it is it was asked as hypothetical. Dickerson bet book that your Campaign Manager is charged this week, thats not a good week. Do i love it, no. Ham i going to ruin a mans life when i look at tape that i supplied. That tape was one my facilities, we have cameras all over. I do good job with security. We have cameras and i looked i said, what did he do . Destroy a mans life . You look at her you look at her initial statement, she grabbed a that. She grabs my arm, when you look at her initial statement was that she was almost thrown down to the ground by the way if she were thrown down to the ground all those things happened, i would have fired him in instantaneously but i dont want to ruin a mans life over a tape that looks like nothing happened. Dickerson your Campaign Manager said she was delusional when the report came out. Said it didnt happen. When report first came out did you talk to him . I could see maybe not even knowing that it happened j. Dickerson did you talk to him . I did speak to him. Dickerson what did he say . It. Was such a minor incident that he might not have known what was going on. I think he said he didnt know her. Dickerson what did he say when you talked about it . I talked to him very briefly. I never thought this was going to be turn into actually what i really got engaged was after i saw this tape, because if you look at the tape practically anthing happened. Statement before she knew we had a tape, if you i supplied it, if you look at her early statement, john, it was like she was really accosted. I will tell you this, if what happened on her statement, if that happened i would have dickerson id like to talk about his statement you work for but nobody wants to talk about her statement. Dickerson he works for you, youre the boss. Excuse me. Her statement was like this horrible thing happened. Then look at the tape people are still trying to say, what happened. Dickerson mr. Trump he said you said she was making it up. The videotape says she wasnt making it up. Well, you know, if you look at the videotape, you dont even see a grab. You see almost being blocked out. Dickerson you are by the way, she grabbed me. Just so you understand. You can see me go like that. She was not supposed to be asking any questions. The News Conference was over. She bolted in from no where. Service. She grabbed my arm, which everybody sees. I went like that, like, who is this person. She started asking questions. She wasnt supposed to dickerson did tell the truth when he said he didnt touch her . I cant tell you in what context. Dickerson you dont know that he touched her to me, what do i know street. Dickerson from the tape so minor thats why i look at it. Only thing i have to go by is the tape. Dickerson when you see it does it she well he blocked her out. I dont see her grabbing. I see her being blocked out because she wasnt supposed to be there. But you also see her touching me. Before he ever even got involved. Here is the thing, do i ruin a machines life, hes got four beautiful children hes got family do i fire him and ruin a mans life over something that when i looked at the tape i said, whats going on . You know, when i was in wisconsin i had a large audience. And i said, how many people saw the tape. How many people think of those people that saw the tape think that he should be fired . Not one you have it in your cameras. Not one person raise dickerson is it okay for a man to put a hand on a woman . I dont think im not even sure he did dickerson just general principles . No. I would say, not. But you know when youre in the i think call it a scrum or something, where people are being knocked around all over the place, ive heard people in your business say, wow, ive gotten hit a lot worse than that. They get hit in the face with cameras. You know, we i was walking outside she shouldnt have been there. She shouldnt have grabbed me. And he really was dickerson was he threatened i didnt feel threatened. I should sue her. But i do like i didnt like somebody asking me questions when that was all over. Dickerson here is the question comes out video shows that he did grab her, what he what she said wasnt true. Dickerson excuse me dash are the main point did he touch her or not the question for you as person with the power in this relationship you got all these people working for you all these big huge buildings why not be the bigger person say, she was treated roughly, she was my guest. I apologize to her. And lets move on. Not my job to apologize. I just happened to be walking dickerson youre the man running the show. Excuse me, i think that maybe if he didnt know it could have been because incident was so minor that he didnt even know what they were talking about thats what i think. They dont get taken compare of. Lets see what happens. Dickerson you talk about i have to be honest im a loyal person, ill be very loyal to the country and to the people of this country, i dont think i can destroy a machines life mans life, it will detroy his life, already had big impact, i dont think i can destroy a mans life by what i dickerson let me ask you about abortion. What would you do to further restrict womens access to abortion as president . Look, i just i know where youre going. I just want to say, a question was asked to me, it was asked in a very hypothetical, it was said illegal, ive been told by some people that was older line answer that was an answer that was given on basis of an older line from years ago, very on very conservative basis. Dickerson your arch answer you mean . The original answer. I was asked as hypothetical. Hypothetically. The laws are set now on abortion. Thats the way theyre going to remain until theyre changed. Dickerson you said you wanted you told bloomberg that you believed abortion should be banned at some point in pregnancy. I would have liked to see this it would have been better if it were up to the states. Right now the laws are set. Thats the way the laws are. Dickerson you have feeling how they should change, a lot of laws you want to change from libel to torture . The laws are set. I think we have to leave it that way. . Dickerson did you think its murder, abortion . Um um i have my opinions but id rather not comment. Dickerson you were pro life. I do have my opinions on it. Id rather just dont think its appropriate. Dickerson you dont disagree with that proposition that its murder . That abortion is murder . I dont disagree with it. Dickerson let me ask you about abortion question that you explained the hypothetical nature and spread of Nuclear Weapons. But you said you would be okay with south korea or japan. Its totally i know theyre cous be all they have to do is watch i spoke with anderson cooper, i spoke to chris, i spoke to all of them i spoke to the new york times. And i thought it was very good piece in the new york times. I would be probably the last to even think about using it. People say, you promised never, ever to use it. You cant do thing like that you have to have cards on the table. Nuclear is a horror show like i said i dont want to go into iraq, i shade a long time ago. I wasnt the lot of other people. Nuclear is a disaster. With that being said we are taking care, if you look into nato as example. We are funding and taking disproportionately of the costs of many countries. Many, many countries that are taking us for a ride. We have to do something with nato. When it comes to nuclear, you are going to have to ask yourself at what point and at what cost do we continue to protect japan and germany, many other countries. W, protection in any way near what its costing us. We owe 19 trillion. At what point do they get involved and they say, we have to pay more money nor kind of protection. At some point they may have to protect themselves. Do i like that, not particularly. But we cannot afford it as a country. We owe 19 trillion, going to 1 because of the horrible omnibus budget it. We cannot continue to do that. Dickerson when people looked at your answer on abortion they felt you were winging it on policy issues im not wedging it. Dickerson Foreign Policy team and your hotel in washington. What did you ask them . More than anything else i discussed nuclear. The single biggest problem that this world has and well knock out isis fast and do a lot of things but single biggest problem that the world has is nuclear. Dickerson in what way Nuclear Weapons that is a disaster. I think that probably worries me the most. Dickerson which country of all the ones it could be many people not even countries. Its splinter groups. Dickerson did they say anything to you that you have been saying and said, you probably shouldnt say that. Not at all. In fact, many of them, ill give you full list of the people that were there, the list is being added on, we have many people that are top people that want to come on board. Many were surprised at my knowledge and they were surprised at the feel that i have for it. I have a feel. I have dickerson what is the feel . Ill tell you. The feel is i was asked on a certain competitors show of yours about nato. As an entrepreneur, ive never been really asked too much about nato, not exactly what im doing deals or building buildings in washington or new york or wherever i may be building them, built the question was asked. Knowing a little bit about nato at the time, this is couple of weeks ago, i said in m many decades old, like now 68 years but its many decades old. And nato is expensive because we cant afford this any more. People are being brought in. Turned out i was right every single subject. The problem is i had very good interview with david sanger i was covered fairly by the new york timesm sun usual for them if you want to know the truth. But i was covered by him. Very, very fairly. And people were surprised at the instinct that i had because it turns out that we are spending too much money on nato and turns out very importantly that it is obsolete. Nato not talking about terrorism. Dickerson another meeting you had in washington with the Republican National committee did they treat you fairly . Are they treating you fairly . Id rather let you know in six months from now. I dont know. Dickerson you said they havent been treating you a very nice person. I get along with them but have to tell you i think what is unfair is, i won the state of louisiana i made speeches, i had tt last evening in a hangar with thousands of people, it was incredible. Big airplane hangar, a boeing hangar i said, this is unbelievable. I wasnt expected to win louisiana, i won louisiana, right . I won lot of states. I won i think 22 states. And i got less delegates than guy who lost. Dickerson isnt that proof that the people are no. No,. Dickerson you wouldnt play every angle to win . When i win the state, im not supposed to get less delegates than somebody dickerson but as businessman you know what, its not you go in, you win and you get less delegates. Now i just won missouri. That just came out. There was the whole thing going on there, too. But let me just say something. When i go in and win the state of louisiana and i get less delegates, thats not the way the system is injured unfair or illegal . I think it could be illegal if you want to know the truth thats my question. Dickerson really . Give me a break. I go in, he campaigned, i campaigned i got the votes then i get less delegates . Dickerson there was reporting that you seemed a little upset with your own teams delegate operation that theyre not in this fight as much as they should be, is that right . Those reporting other than i mentioned that louisiana, which really bothers me because the people of louisiana were amazing to me. I was not expected to win louisiana. And i did look at my people i said, wait a minute, folks, you know, we should have maybe done better except i also said i won the state, and i think theres a real legal consequence of winning a state thats nonsense. You know what . Everyone agrees with me. Dickerson lot of people in the game who know this game i dont care about the game. I care about the people. You win a the delegates . Dickerson one of the things i got some. I got many but i didnt get the number that i should be entitled to. Dickerson your argument you come into a new system, learn about it fast win like nobody has ever won before. With this delegate fight, a new system, you got to get up to speed on it, do you feel like youre going to win like never before because ted cruz excuse me. Excuse me. Ted cruz was going to win alabama and arkansas and mission miss and he was going to win kentucky, was going to win all of these states. I won them all dont get carried away what we dont know what were doing. Hes won six or five or seven. Ive won 2 states. Lets not get carried away with we dont know what were doing. The one state that i told you about was louisiana. But i won a tremendous on top that have i have almost 300 more delegates than him. So, i think he know something about what im doing. From democracy sings, i have millions of votes more than anybody else. Millions. Millions. That should mean something, too. I know in the system it doesnt mean anything. But i have millions more votes than ted cruz. Dickerson where are you on the pledge that you took to support the party. I want to support the party. I dont have to comment too much on it right now i want to support the party. If ted or somebody doesnt want to support me thats okay. Thats okay. But if they dont want to support me honestly thats okay. I can understand how they feel, one of those things. Dickerson youve got a huge following, if theres another nominee would you tell that big following, were all republicans, go support that nominee . I will tell you when we meet at the convention. Well see how were treated. I want to see how were treated. I signed the pledge. Wanted me to sign the pledge. Im the one that being discriminated against. Everybody is worried about me. Because maybe lot of people didnt expect this to h im not a politician, im self funding my campaign lot of people very upset about that because people want to give money because when they give money they control the guy that runs for office. You understand that better than in. I dont take their money. People dont like that. People dont like a lot of the things that im doing. But you know who does like it . People that are voting. And people are coming from democrats and people are coming from independent, you know who is coming unbelievably, people that never, ever, voted before. People that are 30, 40, 50, 60 years old that never voted before theyre voting in droves. Dickerson well that have to leave it there, mr. Trump. Thank you very much. Dickerson Trump Campaign Communications Director clarified the candidates comments on borrowings saying, quote, mr. Trump gave accurate account of the law as it is today and made clear it must stay that way now. Until he is president. Then he will change the law through his judicial appointments allta there is nothing new or different here, unquote. Well be right back. Dickerson Reince Priebus. Driven says wait to see how Republican Party treats him. How do things look from your end . How is he treating the party, he was quoted this week as saying, im not sure which is worse dealing with the party people for dealing with the press. Thats a low blow being compared to us. Right. It sure is, john. He is being treated fairly. Look, i think some of this is posturing, ive been talking about this particular issue i think for about nine months now. If candidates make commitments to the values and the principles of our party, we expect them to keep it. I think if candidates dont want to be loyal to the party that they seek the nomination from, i think they make it more difficult for themselves. Because its actually the party and our voters that are voting in our Party Primaries that choose the nominee. It only makes sense to be true to the values and principles of our party if you want to be the nominee of our party. Dickerson part of this agreement that hes made is not just almost contract with the party to get information from the party about supporters and that kind of thing, if he said he didnt want to support the Republican Party any more would you cut off whatever the party gives to him as a candidate . Well, if any candidate actually declared they dont want to support the party, of course we would. But thats not whats happened here. This is a hypothetical and its also something that is more of answer of well wait and in regard to other candidates comments, no one has broken any pledge or their commitment to our party but at this point its a bunch of talk and well wait and see. You had meeting with donald trump this week, do you think hes familiar with the whole delegate process, vair just stages as familiar as he should be with it . I dont think the candidates themselves have to know every little detail how selection of delegates occurs and what the percentages are in each of these states. But the team needs to know that information and obviously work within the confines of the rules that are laid out. Just like any i was playing a board game with the kids last night, firsting this you do open the box, take out the rules and read them. And try to figure out how to play the game. Obviously rules matter, we adhere to rules and principles in our party unlike the democrats and we respect the rules and so were going to respect the rules of dickerson donald trump says in raft he thinks they have not followed the rules do you think any evidence that that is the case . I dont, but i dont know every detail of what happened in louisiana. What i do know is that donald trump and ted cruz are receiving the exact amount of delegates that they were awarded based on the outcome of louisiana. Those delegates are bound to the candidates so they have to vote for the candidates. Now, the chase is on for unbound delegates. When marco rubio dropped out he had unbound delegates in louisiana. Thats when those campaigns have to get into those states and make the case to the state party and all those particular people running for those slots. From what i understand thats where the argument is. Dickerson well have to take quick commercial break. Well be right back with more in a moment. Xerox personalized employee portals help Companies Make benefits simple and accessible. From anywhere. Hula dancing . Cliff jumping Human Resources can work better. With xerox. Which allergy . Eees. Bees . Eese. Trees . Eese. Xerox helps hospitals use Electronic Health records so doctors provide more personalized care. Cheese . 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But theres nothing thats going to change that rule, majority of delegates is needed just like it was for Abraham Lincoln in 1806 its needed today. You have to have a majority, everything in america decided on majority. Its no different than electing a judge, a based on elect Coral College majority. But majority matters in america. You have to have a majority. It is a magic number, because its 50 plus one. Thats not going to change. Dickerson part of the education process, why does there need to be this second stage . People think, voting took place, thats all that needs to happen why is there this second change where everybody goes to convention, talk about it one more time . Well, a long time ago, what used to happen to delegates just run for office or run for the position within each of the states and they show up to the convention they would vote for whoever they wanted to. Somewhere along the line, john, someone decided, wouldnt it be great if we expanded the reach of our party and we had contests and primaries in each of the states and we would bind the vote for these delegates for one or two ballots. Then after a couple of ballots people could go back to the old days of voting the way they wanted. Its sort of hybrid of that today which is we have these contests, the votes happen. The votes bind delegates. The delegates are then chosen in the states. Those delegates are bound to the outcome and most cases from those votes in those states. They go to convention. Thats what were doing here today. It really isnt that complicated but if youre not familiar with it, it just sounds very different and thats why we have to be out in front we have few months to try to educate as many people as possible. Dickerson theres been a lot of talk this would be about if donald trump is the nominee he would have special challenges in the general election with two groups, with women voters and then also with hispanics. As somebody who cares about the health of the party how much of a challenge he is special challenge would donald trump be as the Party Nominee . Well, look, every candidate has positives and every candidates have challenges that you have to overcome in general election. But the fact is donald trump also brought in millions of new registration. 70 turn out increase. Some of these things are historic for our party. Look at the democrats, theyre in the ditch. What about Hillary Clinton have you seen her numbers with women . Some of this stuff is pretty startling, i understand that weve got some drama in our side of the aisle that well have to contend with well be prepared to like never before. You look at the democrats theyre in for a fiasco. Especially comes in indiets Hillary Clinton and have open convention, who knows, ive heard people talking about joe biden coming back into the fold. There is drama but were prepared and were going to win and were going to retake the white house in november. Dickerson well have to leave it there, thanks so much for being with us. You bet. Dickerson now we turn to cbs news director of elections Anthony Salvanto for our Battleground Tracker poll. Lets start in wisconsin, donald p how big a deal is that, what does it tell us . Wisconsin is tailor made for someone like ted cruz. He does very well with the very conservative. And thats what most republicans in wisconsin say they they are, they are looking for most consistent conservative. In that respect its very important, maybe even must win for cruz but put wisconsin in context as we head into april, we turn to states like new york, like pennsylvania. Ted cruz not going to find quite as receptive an audience he does really need to make hay in wisconsin if hes going to hope to derail trump. Dickerson so, those who have been looking at with you business as test of drum bad week going to send sahl might be over reading things . His Overall Health at this point is stable, maybe not exactly where a front runner wants to be. Thats because his supporters say, they admit in the polls that sometimes they think he goes too far in what he does a thats a little bit extraordinary. Find supporters of candidate willing to say that about their chosen candidate. They are with him anyway. Thats baked into the cake. For those on the presence about donald trump that may be limiting his growth because theyre the ones who are more likely think hes going too far not to be spur swayeded to maybe come over to his side. Dickerson based on who is supporting donald trump his back and forth on abortion do you think that matters much of who is supporting trump or cruz . The people strongly pro life are not with him anyway. Dickerson lets step back a second talk about the delegate math. Lets imagine for a moment that the ted cruz wins wisconsin, that 42 delegates, how much does that change things for donald trump . It pushes him off course a little bit. It really puts the pressure on him to run the table in new york and some of those Atlantic States coming up towards thend of april. So, in all of these states, most given out by district. Ew york, d have to go in, hell be going into hostile territory looking for pockets of friendly territory where he can pick up few delegates. Trump will be having to try to really run up the score there in those states. To make maybe twothirds of the delegates along the way to get back, i think, john, this will all be decided in one of two places. It will be decided in california in june, last big primary. Or going to cleveland. Dickerson what you mean either trump will get to the magic number of 1237 by however many delegates or fall short of that everybody will head to cleveland, nobody will have majority it will be contested convention. If that is the case, that second idea, open convention, is that why Donald Trumps conversation abut louisiana and these back room efforts to secure delegates is that why that is so important . Yes. That is why that is so important. Here is what hap the general election night, somebody wins a state, we say theyre going to get x number of delegates. Those are delegate slots, who actually fills those, who packs their bags heads to cleveland. That process goes on in state at the counties at the state party convention. Now, each of the campaigns would love to have their loyalists filling those slots. Because what will happen is, if this does become an open convention, after that first ballot where most of the delegates are bound to vote for whichever candidate theyre going to start arguing and brokering. Now do most of them whatever they choose you want your loyalists to fill those slots. Its like, when you get that plus one and guest invite to a ball, you take somebody who just wants to go or somebody who really likes you. They want somebody who really likes them and fight for them in cleveland. We have about 30 seconds, if there is this fight in cleveland, how div party at this moment just to give us sense of tempers where they will be if there is a big fight in cleveland . The polings show that the supporters of ted cruz would be upset if donald trump would get the nomination and that donald Trump Supporters would be upset if anyone else gets the nomination. So, yes, they are somewhat divided. Trump is saying, hes brought lot of new voters to the process. That does seem to be the case. A lot of his voters say they are interested because of donald trump. So the balancing act then not to try to alienate those voters but also play the ones who would be upset. Thats right. We saw chairman Reince Priebus, thanks so much for being with us. Well be right back in a moment with our political panel. Stay with us. Try aveeno® sheer hydration. Its active naturals® oat formula. Goes on feather light. Absorbs in seconds. Keeps skin healthy looking and soft. Aveeno® naturally beautiful results. Someones hacked all our technology. Say, have you seen all the Amazing Technology in geicos mobile app . Mobile app . Look. Electronic id cards, emergency roadside service, i can even submit a claim. Wow. Yep, geicos mobile app works like a charm. Geico. Expect great savings a and whole lot more. So you dont have to stop. , yers of pain relief. The first is fast. The second lasts all day. We give you your day back. What you do with it is up to you. Tylenol®. Dickerson joining us now is walt street journal columnist and cbs contributor peggy noon none. Mark leibovich from the new york sometimes. Ruth marcus is columnist at the washington post. And ed okeefe covers politics for the washington post. Welcome to all of you. Peggy, start with you. What kind of week was it for donald trump . I think he had a terrible week. I think he took a pounding in part from the press but mostly from his own mouth. I think he added to the ago gaga of the strange or outrageous or not fully thought through that at a certain point i think this is the point, by the way, starting to give pause even to his own supporters. He ought to be growing instead my sense hes sort of stuck. Because of how he talks does not bring forward a president ial dignity. I do think, however, were seeing an act of trump act two is try to survive. A, try to survive his own mouth. And b, try to survive what is quietly happening around him which is the race for delegates that people are quietly pulling like strands away from him. Dickerson the two tier process, public process then these. I would say this. This. I dont think there have been weeks this bad. From the outside of the campaign, theres been some exhilaration around donald trump which i think at this point seems to be giving way to some weariness. Again, hard to quantify this. This seemed like a week or time where tone really matters. He should be, hate to say the word, timid. This is a reach out period of the election. I dont think he lost many vote terse week, he might have. Hes a 33, 34, 35 . This is a growing time for him it should be. I think for as long as it isnt hes in some trouble. Dickerson looked like donald trump was trying to pivot he met with the rnc talked about unity, met with his Foreign Policy advisors at his hotel here in washington. Showing that he has conversation about these important issues that a president would face. Hes trying to do part of the pivot. Hes trying, but hes victim of friendly fire which is h shooting himself. When you have a week Campaign Manager is accused of battery against a reporter and thats not the worst thing that happens to you in the week, thats a really bad week. I thought the abortion answer continuing with your questioning of him was really revelator reand problem for donald trump on three Different Levels it illustrated, weve been talking about conventional wisdom, donald trump doesnt know enough of what hes talking about when hes talking about Foreign Policy. Thats correct. He doesnt know when hes talking about policy, period. Number two, he says something and then when it turns out to be wrong its not his fault its the questioning. Its the questioning, the hypothetical or it was convoluted. Third part is managing to alienate both sides simultaneously which is really quite magnificent. I have to just point out that if you look at Donald Trumps position on on owe borin less extreme than ted cruzs position. Ted cruz would not have exceptions for rape or insus in cases of abortion. Where donald trump said including to you like to leave it to the states. Ted cruz wants to make it illegal everywhere. I would say talk about wariness, i think this whole week for trump comes bad time for him but really rough time for Republican Party overall. There was real evidence of the struggles that theyre facing on so many different fronts. There was Supreme Court case they should have won regarding labor unions in california that resulted in 44 split because of the death of the anton knee ask liam two southern governors facing pressure from the business community. Which is traditionally been with the party. But now splitting with them on social issues. Then you had all this stuff with trump on abortion, but i think more troubling to lot of republicans were his comments on Nuclear Weapons and nuclear power, idea that have nuclear weapon, that southr using Nuclear Weapons against europe, all that have added up to together suggests rough time for the party. Thats why i think there is growing concern in these later states that maybe we do have to do something to at least slow trumps momentum. Dickerson it look like in new york and pennsylvania at least as far as our polls, donald trump has fine fire wall, things may not go for him in wisconsin hes up by 30 points in new york. He is. I think i agree with anthony this will california, cleveland, are probably the keys. Wisconsin is extremely important state. As long as ted cruz can win in wisconsin, this will be a muddled race. Muddled is a friend to ted cruz. And john kasich, which means it will continue and donald trump will be denied straight ahead sense of destiny. Still have in his back pocket that he speaks to an irritation with the kind of queni his posns are on little things, or what his Campaign Manager did, he speaks bigger truth for me that other stuff just small in comparison to that big thing he does which is talk about rebalancing the world to helps for me the voter. I think at certain point attrition happens if he doesnt turn around the way he acts. The way he speaks. I think the key word for him is professional lies. Followed by question mark. Can he professionalize his Campaign Operation so that he as some real governing voices and minds around him who can say, boss, dont do that. Or, boss, just well have to turn it around. Or, boss, you know that you cant be tweeting like a madman any more. Then he needs a whole deep organization in which he can serious overlth delegate thing. Cruz people are very honest about, you know, they say, you are looking at poll numbers were going in here and there were getting trump has to stop that if hes a serious guy. Dickerson talk about the delegates. This is the weird thing. He has staff, hes hired few people in the last few days who have experience with this. The problem is they have experience doing this in 1976 and 1980 last time we had convention. What he doesnt have that cruz has is a team that understands these rules back and forth and has been cultivating what they call unbound delegates in the states that didnt have contests or where there are unbound delegates to be had. Places like north dakota, colorado next week end. Places like louisiana. Then even in tennessee yesterday where idea fighting against the Party Establishment will now come back to bite you because hes done nothing to cultivate these people who will have to show up in cleveland make a decision. If you get round three or four there is no allegiance to him. Of the game box like Reince Priebus said. Peggy makes a point, trumps failure to increase, failure to coalesce. You see trump was ahead of ted cruz by ten points a month ago. Now now ted cruz ahead trumps number stayed flat. Hes not bringing additional people in. Dickerson well hold it there. Pause everyone. Well be right back with more from our panel. Most weekends only last a couple of days. Some last a lifetime. We go together. Book at hampton. Com to geed et a gscount. Dickerson were back with our panel. The last question on republicans here if there is contested convention. Donald trump has something that nobody else has which is megaphone. If he says this is unfair, i have more delegates, i dont care how you get majority i have more in cleveland. Isnt that a strong argument for him . Sure. Its a strong argue. Its procedural, that soul a about trump basically. I was saying during the break that what was important about this election going in. I remember governor christie about this, i did a story couple of yeargo was important to see a play out in the Republican Party about who they wanted to be. As it turns out, so much oxygen, so much talk, so much argument has been given over to what will happen with trump here. What will happen in cleveland. I do think that that sort of part of the weariness we were talking about earlier. Dickerson switch to the democratic side. Hillary clinton in a moment by the rope line had very pointed retort to somebody who was charging more about taking money from oil and gas which is line that sanders campaign. It was what did you think . I never think it its good idea to be wagging your finger at people when youre in politics. It does not translate well. She did. Its a lesson, i dont want to get in trouble for doing it. It was frustration that shes feeling thats totally understandable. She was on the other side of this transaction eight years when she when it was rather clear that barack obama was going to be the nominee. Its reasonably clear, though not certain that Hillary Clinton is going to be the nominee. But Bernie Sanders is an irritant. He has won a series of primaries, he may well probably more likely than not to win wisconsin and he is getting under her skin. Dickerson the Clinton Campaign would say shes not irritated that hes getting under her skin he keeps saying shes captive of these interests and shes not. Double standard, why dont you go look at his fundraising history, why are you always looking at ours. What it did more than anything is expose private frustrations they have add over the course of the last few weeks he has this money hes still running they cant turn totally to focus on donald trump and republicans which they would like to do. Youre right, the shoe is on the other foot. But i think theres some concern that if they dont start trying to define him now before he defines her, there could be trouble for him. Can i say, i have a feeling we should keep our eye on new york. I think anthony just said shes ten points ahead or ten points ahead. However, i went to one of her rallies in new york at the Apollo Theater the other day, people were enacting the appropriate enthusiasm that this was not why hillary loved the sisterhood of the traveling pants suit is not there. Then bernie goes to the bronx hes got x thousands of people, really. I feel like im a new yorker, something is going on in new york were not seeing it in the polls yet maybe. I total low agree. I think there is almost annoying smugness around the Democratic Party to think that all of the people are wrapped around the other party all around trump. This is reminds me of simpsons veisode with lisa wants to be a nuisance animal, the Clinton Campaign seems to be treating the Campaign Like a nuisance animal. This is a debate the democrats need to have. Dickerson speaking of debates, now a debate over the race. How could interfere with basketball game which in my house really big deal. It just goes to the continuing nuisance factor, i think that the thing that so fascinating if you imagine a clintontrump race, its not a popularity contest, its an unpopularity contest. Both of them are are negative with voters. You talk about, talk about enthusiasm gaps but here the gap would are both of them. Hes way more unpopular than she is. It would be remarkably dreary race, sour. Who do you dislike least. Its springtime, well have to end on that support of depressing note. Thanks to all of you for well be right back in a moment. Because covering heals faster. 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