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Figures of the past half century. Many of his photo shoots were also filmed. Its a collection like no other, but we were surprised to learn that a lot of those films were never developed, sitting in a vault until now. Abaarso has become an oasis of opportunity and every student is encouraged to dream big. I want to be a psychologist. You want to be a psychologist. I want to be a reporter. You want to be a reporter. So yeah. Okay. Dentist. You want to what . Be what . Yes. A doctor . Yeah. Wow. Who wants to be a dentist . You want to be a dentist . Your teeth are very nice already. laughter its worth pointing out just how revolutionary it is to hear teenage girls in somaliland talk about careers. Many of these girls may have already been married off by their families if they werent studying here. Im steve kroft. Im lesley stahl. Im bill whitaker. Im anderson cooper. Im lara logan. Im scott pelley. Those stories, tonight on 60 minutes. Quijano good evening. 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But his political career exploded in scandal worthy of a soap opera, when he was convicted of public corruption and sentenced to two years in federal prison. He fought the charges all the way to the United States Supreme Court, racking up a hefty legal bill of 27 million. It turned out to be worth it. The Supreme Court reversed his conviction in a controversial and farreaching ruling, but not without a hitch. Chief Justice John Roberts described the case as tawdry tales. Tonight, looking no worse for wear, Bob Mcdonnell talks about the case and the moment his world came crashing down, when a richmond jury returned a verdict against him. Governor Bob Mcdonnell i listened to 19 guilty verdicts for my wife and me. Whitaker you broke down . Mcdonnell ah. Thats all i could do, bill. At that point, i was a convicted felon with a criminal record, who was going to lose my law license, my right to vote, my passport, my reputation and other liberties. And my life was never going to quite be the same. Whitaker Bob Mcdonnell was one of the most popular virginia governors in recent history. In 2012, he made the short list of mitt romneys possible running mates. But in a stunning fall from grace, in 2014, just ten days after leaving office, mcdonnell and his wife maureen were indicted, then convicted by a jury of conspiracy and bribery. They had accepted 177,000 from a local businessman in personal loans and gifts, presented as evidence in court golf bags and clubs, luxury Family Vacations, the use f designer clothes for maureen and a rolex watch for the governor. Mcdonnell appealed his guilty verdict up to the federal court of appeals, and lost twice. But then his conviction was reversed by the u. S. Supreme court last fall. Mcdonnell the worst at all was the the the belief that much of the public, and much of the nation, looked at this, and thinks, theres another corrupt politician. Whitaker and if im one of your citizens sitting at home in virginia, and i see you, my governor, getting this money, these loans, these gifts, these trips, im wondering how you justify that. I mean, these things would not have come to you, were you not the governor. Mcdonnell thats probably right. Whitaker how do you tell the guy, the coal miner sitting in western virginia, that thats okay . Make those judgements, you know, kind of one thing at a time. Whitaker and none of that set off alarm bells . Mcdonnell it didnt, because i knew that it was completely legal under virginia law. Whitaker virginia at the time had no limits on gifts to state officials. But mcdonnells case stands out because he took so much from one person this man, multi millionaire Jonnie Williams. Williams wanted the governors help getting statesponsored studies of his new tobaccobased supplement, called anatabloc. He claimed it had healing powers. Williams declined to talk to us, but in court he testified under immunity for the prosecution, that he was 100 sure he and the governor had an agreement money and gifts for political favors. Mcdonnell i considered him an entrepreneur. He had the opportunity to create jobs for virginians. Whitaker he plied you, and of money, and gifts. He says that he did it because he wanted to influence you. What did you think he wanted . Mcdonnell he asked to meet with staff people. I referred him to meetings. My job was just to connect people with government, and i considered it a routine part of what i did for job creation, and just regular constituent service. Whitaker is that what it takes to get the attention of you guys . Somebody coughin up that kind of money . Mcdonnell no. Whitaker but explain to me where thats where im im wrong in seeing as mcdonnell that is an everyday action in america, and i know it to be true from years in politics. Whitaker but it wasnt politics as usual for jim cole. He was the Deputy Attorney general who oversaw the mcdonells prosecution. Jim cole he used his office for personal gain. Whitaker the governor says all he did was make introductions. Cole here is somebody who took over 170,000, to do things that he could only do because he was the governor of the state. Whitaker the mcdonnells actively promoted anatabloc and invited Jonnie Williams to events at the governors mansion, with Health Care Leaders and researchers who could help him. Mcdonnell there was never a quid pro quo, or any conspiracy, or any agreement to help mr. Williams. And ultimately the Supreme Court of the United States said that government advanced essentially a dangerous legal legal theory that had serious constitutional problems. Whitaker what do you mean, dangerous . Why dangerous . Mcdonnell because it criminalizes routine political conduct, things that happen in this country every day. Whitaker the justices did unanimously reverse his conviction. They faulted federal prosecutors for overreaching with a definition of corruption that was too broad, and ruled that merely setting up a meeting or hosting an event for Jonnie Williams did not constitute a crime. But, they condemned mcdonnells conduct on ethical grounds. In his opinion, chief Justice John Roberts wrote, the tawdry tales of ferraris, rolexes, and ball gowns did not typify normal political interaction far from it. In our interview, mcdonnell chose to focus on the positive. Mcdonnell at the end of the day, the United States Supreme Court said that this was the routine stuff that governors do. And we may not like the amount of gifts, but it was consistent with virginia law, and so, bill, thats why at this point i feel i feel vindicated. Whitaker vindicated . Thats not my reading of the Supreme Court decision. Chief Justice Roberts said himself, and this is a quote from his opinion, there is no doubt that this case is distasteful. It may be worse than that. So this wasnt an exoneration. They looked at what you did, and called it tawdry. Mcdonnell i would disagree with that. Youve youve picked two sentences out of a 28page opinion. But the import of that opinion bill, is not the language that youve read. Its the other 99 of the opinion. Whitaker but what i hear you saying is that, i will accept 99 of what the Supreme Court justices said, but that 1 that sort of slaps my wrist . Mcdonnell no whitaker im not that, they got wrong. Mcdonnell no, im not saying that. I accept that. Whitaker they found that your behavior was not something that they sanctioned. Mcdonnell you know, the words are what the words are. I accept 100 of the opinion. And so, you know with my own conscience thats really between, i guess, me and god about how i did. Dad, how about a game . Youre on whitaker Bob Mcdonnell ran for office on a campaign of faith and family values. But when the scandal broke, apparently so did the mcdonnells. The alleged husband and wife conspirators started coming to court separately. Mcdonnell this was my parish. Whitaker and Bob Mcdonnell you were in church yesterday. And you were telling me you were a moral man. Mcdonnell i try to be, bill. Whitaker did this meet your moral code . Mcdonnell if i do it over again, i was governor, i wouldnt take any gifts. I didnt need em. Whitaker so why did you take them . Mcdonnell you know, having a Family Vacation after working 15 hours a day at a nice lake resort with my family, you know, i appreciated that. Whitaker but youre a public official. Mcdonnell yes. Whitaker you think the public believes that you should reach a higher standard. Mcdonnell i knew in my heart i was governing myself properly. And i knew i was making all the appropriate disclosures. Whitaker virginia law didnt require disclosure of gifts to family members. So, he didnt report this 50,000 personal loan from williams to a company mcdonnell owned with his sister or most of 6,500 rolex watch Jonnie Williams gave to maureen to give to the governor. Tell me about the rolex. Ive seen the picture. Youre holding the rolex up. Youre smiling. Mcdonnell my wife gave it to me for christmas in 2012. With all my heart i believed it was from her. She told me it was from her. Whitaker you were telling us that you needed loans, business loans. Didnt didnt you wonder how did my wife afford a rolex . Mcdonnell bill, i didnt know what a rolex cost, to be honest. Im a seiko and timex guy, and always have been. Whitaker but Maureen Mcdonnell, a former redskins cheerleader who brought her pom poms to her husbands inauguration, had a taste for the finer things. On a shopping spree in new york with Jonnie Williams, he bought her 20,000 worth of Designer Clothing and accessories. Maureen mcdonnell declined to speak with us. But bob mcnn her to new york, told us he didnt notice what she bought and didnt ask questions. If my wife came in with, what was it, 20,000 worth of clothing, i would notice the bags, and the boxes. I would say, honey, whered you get all this . Mcdonnell i knew she had bags. I knew she shopped. Who paid for those was just not something that we discussed. Im just not the kind of person that probably paid enough attention on some of those things. Whitaker his inattention to his wife became key to his defense strategy. In court, with his liberty at stake, mcdonnell allowed his defense team to point the finger at his wife of more than 35 years, and tell the jury she was the one taking most of the gifts and, without his knowledge, helping businessman Jonnie Williams. If mcdonnell wasnt paying attention, the governors chef, Todd Schneider was. He told us Jonnie Williams was a regur Todd Schneider remember, everybody talks in the kitchen. Whitaker and what were people saying . Schneider what we thought of everything that they did, shady. Why is this guy trying to get in here so much, the clothes and the gifts and the other things. You, kind of, knew what was going on. Whitaker what was going on . Schneider Jonnie Williams was trying to get his medicine approved and Bob Mcdonnell and Maureen Mcdonnell were getting their bills paid. Whitaker there is bad blood between schneider and mcdonnell. After the governor fired him in an unrelated payment dispute that ended up in court, Todd Schneider turned over key evidence to the f. B. I. a 15,000 check for catering mcdonnells daughters wedding. It came from Jonnie Williams account, starwood trust. That triggered the investigation of Bob Mcdonnell and the federal case under former Deputy Attorney general jim cole. Cole these were not gifts. These were payoffs. Whitaker people are giving money all the time. People makco cole the key difference here is that the contributions didnt go to a campaign. The money that came in went into his pocket. Thats not normal politics. That doesnt happen every day. Hank asbill you want to take the money out of politics, then take it out of politics. But this is not unique to bob. Whitaker mcdonnells attorney, hank asbill, admitted the evidence in the case looked bad, but he said, its just the way american politics works. Asbill you know, would anyone look at the gifts and loans in this case and say its a good idea . No. I wasnt happy about having to defend it, but there was no crime. Whitaker but shouldnt we expect our politicians to have a higher standard . Asbill maybe so. And there ought to be a better way of reforming politics in america as usual than going after my client and accusing him of committing a crime which he didnt commit. Whitaker what do you think the effectf decision will be on american politics . Cole it gives much greater room for Public Officials to commit improper acts, to commit bribery in subtle ways, and it gives them that room to do it without worrying about getting prosecuted. Whitaker the Supreme Court ruling is shaking things up already. Politicians found guilty of bribery in new york, pennsylvania, utah and louisiana are now using the mcdonnell case to fight their convictions. Why would a politician who took cash and gifts come on 60 minutes to talk about it . Go to 60minutesovertime. Com. Sponsored by pfizer. L for him, but maybe not for people with rheumatoid arthritis. Because there are options. Like an unjection™. Xeljanz xr. With moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well. Xeljanz xr can reduce pain, swelling and joint damage, even without methotrexate. Xeljanz xr can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. Serious, sometimes fatal infections, lymphoma and other cancers have happened. 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All the instruments whip you, believe me, because sometimes they dont do what you want them to do. The instrument talks back, you know . It just sits there and dares you to play it. Logan this session in 1985 is an example of norman seeffs style of taking photos, making his subjects feel comfortable with questions about their music. Seeff have you ever whipped the piano back . Charles not really. Instrument, you understand . You will never get out all thats in this piano whats in here. Seeff absolutely. Charles an instrument will bring you to your limits. Seeff isnt that what creativity, in a sense, is about . Charles yeah. If you can think of it. See, thats the key. Create it in your mind. Seeff its the tool for transformation of charles yes seeff great. Charles now you got it. Thats a great way to put it. Now, why didnt i think about that . ug lahs logan out of that conversation came this classic photograph ray charles as hell always be remembered. Yet, as norman recalls, that was not how their session began. Seeff he didnt really want to do the job. So when he came in and i was saying, you know hey, ray, let me walk you over to your piano. Heres your chair, your coffee cup, and he was, like, get out of my face. I know what im doing. And im going, oh, my god, you know . Charles are we back at you again . Seeff im back at you. Logan its one artist talking to another. Charles if im singing a sad song, i become sad. I become happy, when im into and then you might decide to Say Something silly and make everyone laugh. And you go big legged woman keep your dress tail down you know what i mean . So everything has its place. The name of the game is to be able to get the sound, get the feeling, get the mood of whatever youre doing. And thats what i do. Now you got it logan hes sharing completely, the secret to how he creates and and what he creates. Seeff but no ones been asking him. So this was what hit me. Everyone is responding to the output, you know . And its great. But the fascination for me became can i go inward like that . And what i found, to my surprise, is, artists were saying, please, would you come . Logan he had a way of capturing artists in t mheirost authentic moments the blues brot hersdan aykroyd and john belushi; carly simon; mick jagger; cher and gregg allman; johnny cash; the jacksons; steve jobs in 1984, the year he launched the macintosh computer. Seeff so were sitting on the floor, then we started to talk about creativity, and he said, oh, i want to show you something. And he sort of jumps up, and he runs out. And he comes back. And he plops down into this lotus position with the mac. No ones seen it. Logan youd never seen one . Seeff no, i didnt i didnt even know they existed. Logan his picture became the cover of Time Magazine in 2011, when steve jobs died. Theres something distinct about a norman seeff photograph, but in his film, theres also a story. Seeff john, john. Logan this one with john travolta, at age 22. Seeff shake your head, look this way. Logan the year before the movie saturday night fever came out. Seeff hes telling me, you know, im im doing a movie. And i said, oh, youre doing a movie. He said, yeah, and and im going to be dancing. And i said, yeah, youre going to be dancing . He says, yeah, what do you think about this pose . So wheres that wind . Terrific. laughs and and thank god, you know, what i did i said, thats fabulous, you know, and that pose became the ultimate icon of the dance, yeah logan of disco, right. It still is seeff yes, right. Logan norman has been sitting on his archive for most of his career. He hadnt even seen this footage of travolta until just before he showed it to us. It hadnt been developed since it was filmed in 1976. In those days, norman said he struggled to pay for the film, let alone develop it. Seeff and then i got to the point where we were so out of money i said, lets take the film out of the camera, recan it, tape it up and put it in the vaults. So we have close to 1,000 rolls of undeveloped footage, with names like Michael Jackson and stevie wonder, and logan that youve not seen . Seeff that are undeveloped. Logan sitting in a vault in california. Seeff sitting in a vault. But it wasnt in the early days. I was carrying this archive from garage to garage. This is kind of a hollywood phenomenon. Logan this is the vault where norman keeps his undeveloped footage a state of the art facility in the heart of hollywood. Inside, its an icy 45 degrees, which helps preserve the film in these fire, theft and earthquakeproof storage units. Seeff here, can you do my code 1, 2, 3, 0 . Logan for the past 15 years, his film has been sitting on seeff lets see what that says. Logan what you see here is about a third of his archive. Steve martin. Seeff steve martin. Logan joni mitchel here two, three, four, five. Seeff this is all the sound. Logan Fleetwood Mac up there. Seeff Fleetwood Mac. Logan van morrison. Seeff yeah. Logan norman said itll take close to half a Million Dollars to develop it all. Seeff thats great. Logan he cant be sure its survived the years, until he brings to this postproduction facility in l. A. , to be processed. Seeff would you mind putting a little sharpening on this . Push it. Let me see how far you can go. Nice. Dave cole lets try to reduce that a little bit. Logan hes working with experienced colorist dave cole to slowly recover every scene. Seeff the sharpening etches the blacks, which i like. See, it looks sharper. Its looks as if cole there is contouring. Seeff yeah, thats great. Do you still dance . Bob fosse yeah, sure, not like i used to, but, sure i dance. Some shots of you dancing. Fosse no. Logan norman seeff sees himself not as a photographer, but as an explorer, of some of the worlds most creative people, like choreographer bob fosse. Seeff that looks great. Logan hes planning on turning the best of his films into a documentary series. Seeff great. Lift your head up a little. I got it, im fine, i got it. Im just at the beginning of my dream. Im finally at the place now for myself where i feel my true voice has a potential of being expressed out in the world. Logan at 78. Seeff at 78. Logan norman grew up amidst the violence of apartheid south africa and became a doctor, like his father. After three years, he quit, bought a oneway ticket to the u. S. , and landed in new york in 1968 with his camera and 2,500, his life savings. Seeff im looking at this huge city with, you know, thousands and thousands of every field. And im this guy with this one little camera, with the hubris of, like, i can be a photographer, you know. And there was one moment where i went like i think ive made a big fat mistake here, and i dont see any way out. When you lose hope, thats when the despair comes in. But at the same time, i was having so many incredible challenges. And then i started meeting amazing people. Logan when he stumbled across these two in a bar, norman said he had no idea who they were. Patti smith and Robert Mapplethorpe wervee lors at the time he photographed them. They introduced him to andy warhol, who norman also photographed. He said warhol didnt a say a word the entire shoot. But, it was this picture he took of the band, in 1970, that made norman seeff one of rock and rolls photographers of choice. Seeff i looked to the left and there was a sign on the wall that said, for rent. Logan he set up shop on a boulevard in l. A. In the mid 1970s. Seeff we shot hundreds of major artists in this place. So logan his old studio, once a magnet for music and movie stars, is now a bar. Seeff and on my, my very first film session, which was ike and tina turner. Tina is sitting here doing makeup. Logan here is tina turner at that table from the session in 1975. Seeff i want to get some close up shots. Logan norman asked her and ike to perform. This was the last time norman photographed them together. Tina turner left ike the following year, ending the abusive relationship. Theloped it and looked at dailies. And i knew instantaneously what i was going to do from then on. Logan norman decided to film his sessions, like this one with lily tomlin, as often as he could. Lily tomlin we even used that shot like this, did you ever see it . Logan he said he had a different approach with every artist. Seeff thats great. Logan Steve Martins session, for example, began like this steve martin but dont you know, im a wild guy, having some fun here tonight. Seeff comedians are the most challenging people at that point for me to shoot. Because youre not actually in the dialogue with them. They are performing. Okay, another double, please, from the bar. When i work with a comedian i become their audience. Martin hey, norman. Im getting a little pissed about this drinking thing. Sure, i am on this stuff, but if you dont dig it, hey, ill leave and you can take pictures of this wall back here all night. Logan is he messing with you . Seeff well you never know when youre in the middle of it. Logan norman seeff told us he remembers all his sessions, but it meant the most to him, when he made a personal connection with his subjects, as he did with ray charles. Seeff you know what . I think we got the session. Charles okay, baby, yay. Say carl, we have a question about your brokerage fees. Fees . What did you have in mind . I dont know. 4. 95 per trade . Uhhh. Antee . Guarantee . Where we can get our fees and commissions back if were not happy. So can you offer me what schwab is offering . Whats with all the questions . 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He decided to build an american style boarding school to help kids in somaliland get into the best universities in the u. S. And beyond. Starr hoped his students would then return to somaliland as doctors, lawyers, business people, and future leaders. Its not easy to get to the somalilands capitol, hargeisa, isnt exactly a bustling metropolis. There are few flights in, and once youre here, its a bumpy ride on dusty dirt roads, past miles and miles of empty scrub land. The school sits on a remote hilltop, in what can best be described as the middle of nowhere. Its called the Abaarso School of science and technology, a boarding school thats home to around 200 of somalilands best and brightest, grades 712. Whats the goal of the school . Whats the idea of the school . Jonathan starr so, the mission of the school is to produce ethical and effective leaders of the country in the future. Cooper future leaders of somaliland. Starr somaliland, somalia. The point is theyll be future leaders in this area. And that should be everything. That should be business, government, law, health care and we have students studying everything. So ultimately, it should work that way. Cooper there was no guarantee it would work that way students in 2009, but Jonathan Starr was determined. Hed moved to somaliland and has spent more than half a Million Dollars of his own money building the school, recruiting the students, and hiring the teachers, nearly all of whom he found online. How much money were you offering to pay the teachers . Starr 250 a month. Cooper 250 a month, to come to somaliland. Starr we cook for them; we have food for them. And if they dont leave campus, theyll never have an expense whatsoever. Cooper but theres not a lot to do here. Starr no, theres not a lot to do here. Okay, good morning, ladies and gentleman. Cooper they came anyway. You will get five minutes. Cooper mostly from america. Many had never taught anywhere before. Who else had power . Cooper the curriculum at abaarso is not much different from what youd find in an american school. The intricacies of covalent bonding in chemistry. Contemporary world literature. Geometry, trigonometry, and pre calculus. Does it always have to be between the same two atoms . Cooper but what makes it er everything here is taught in english, and most of these kids only speak somali when they first arrive. Since starrs goal is to get students into college in the u. S. And elsewhere, he insists on english immersion from day one. So how do you get somebody, who doesnt speak any english, and immerse them in an englishonly program . Starr i mean its very, very challenging. To many of them, the transition to go from where they were, to here, was the hardest thing they ever would have to do. And you just have to slowly piece it together. Cooper the School Starts in seventh grade, and students begin by tossing around a few english phrases. You mustnt, you mustnt. You mustnt, dont be late to class. You mustnt . You mustnt be late to class. Good. Wouldnt it be fine and dandy. Cooper then theres reading, lots of it. You know something good about me, i know something good about you. All african countries are not poor. Cooper by eleventh grade, the kids sound like theyve been speaking english most of their ve how do the words, the dirty looks, roll off your backs . Cooper classes begin at 7 00 a. M. Sharp, and the kids have to be on the ball all day, and late into the night. Thats five and a half days a week, 11 months a year. The kids either catch up, and catch on to Jonathan Starrs system, or theyre out. Starr we hold them to a very high standard. Lets say you just skip study hall youre suspended. Cooper suspended for how long . Starr thatll be a day. Students have found their way out of our school for not being disciplined, not doing the things that theyve agreed to do. They know the rules of the school. Cooper youve kicked kids out. Starr many. Cooper if a kid is kicked out of abaarso, there arent a lot of other good options. Somaliland spends less than 10 million a year on its public schools, and we saw some classrooms crammed with as many as 100 kids. There are few colleges here for graduates to go to. Somaliland is doing better than its neighbor, somalia, which it separated from 25 years ago, as famine and civil war plunged that country into chaos. Somalia is still one of the most dangerous places in the world, plagued by the terror group al shabaab. Somaliland, by comparison, is relatively peaceful, though at abaarso there are armed guards and watch towers. And the entire compound is surrounded with a wall and barbed wire . Starr yes, its about 12 feet or so high. Cooper do you worry about security a lot . Starr we need to be. I dont think its very likely that something would happen, but if something happened to one teacher, it could be game over for the entire school. Cooper the real problem in somaliland is poverty. This is one of the least developed places on earth. The economy, like the countrys biggest export, livestock, is skin and bones. The main source of income is money sent from somalilanders working overseas. Thats how most students can afford tuition at abaarso, which is about 1,800 dollars a year a fortune, when you consider thhe somaliland is about a dollar a day. Those who cant get money from extended family, get scholarships from the school. Abaarso has become an oasis of opportunity, and every student is encouraged to dream big. Sahra i want to be a psychologist. Cooper you want to be a psychologist. I want to be a reporter. Cooper you want to be a reporter. So yeah. Cooper okay. Dentist. Cooper you want to what . Be what . Yes. Cooper a doctor . Yeah. Cooper wow. Who wants to be a dentist . You want to be a dentist . Your teeth are very nice already. laughter its worth pointing out just how revolutionary it is to hear teenage girls in somaliland talk about careers. Many of these girls may have already been married off by their families if they werent studying here. Somaliland is a deeply conservative islamic country, and on school grounds, local customs are strictly followed. Allahu alakbar, allah. Cooper abaarso has its own mosque, and girls and boys dont mix outside class unless theres a chaperone. Jonathan starr is not muslim, but he does have a Family Connection to somaliland. His aunt married a man from here, whom she met in the u. S. , starrs uncle billeh osman. He was the one who convinced starr to come for a visit and do something to help. You didnt really know anything about somaliland. Starr correct. Cooper did you speak arabic . Starr no arabic, no somali. I tried to learn somali, but im not very good. Cooper it sounds like a disaster from the getgo. Starr i also didnt know anything about education. laughter cooper you didnt know anything about starting a school. Starr well, i i had id been educated. Cooper id been to school, too, but i still wouldnt be able to start one. Starr i was a pretty good student. I had no idea what i was getting into. Cooper to help him get started, he took on a somali partner, who talked him into building the school in this isolated spot, on land that just happened to be owned by the partners extended family. It turned out to be a terrible idea. Starr if we look out from here, there is nothing, right . Theres absolutely nothing, and nothing. And like, any way you look cooper is there a water source here . Starr no, theres no water source here. Cooper that should haven so should the name of the closest village, abaarso. Starr abaarso abaar means drought. Cooper that didnt give you pause . Starr i had been led to believe that getting water would be no problem at all. Cooper the water, which is now trucked in daily, was the least of his problems. Despite all his good intentions, all the money and time hed spent on this school, starr was still an outsider. When he got into an argument with his somali partner over who should run the school, he says the partner spread false rumors that he was trying to convert students to christianity. Starr there were some people who had been riled up, probably given some money to do it, and came to our gates and said either, you know, i go home, or theyll kill me. Cooper did you ever think about going home . Starr no. But i also didnt when i say i didnt take it seriously, i was more mad than anything else. Cooper why fight this fight here . Starr theres the noble side, what, am i going to abandon the students . Theres no chance. Theres no chance. If they were going to carry to kill me and carry me out. Like, that actually was going to have to happen. And the second part is the not noble part, which is, im very competitive, and there was no way i was losing to that guy. Thats really the truth. I mean, if i could have somehow legally, cleanly had, like, a death match, i i honest to god would have had a death match. I couldnt imagine that there was life if i let this fail. Cooper in the end, it was his students who didnt let the school fail. In 2013, a senior named nimo ismail was the first abaaarso student to get into college. She was accepted at oberlin in ohio on full scholarship, no less. Starr when she got in, that turned everything in the country. Cooper in the country . Starr it turned everything. At the end of the day, people want good things for their children, and somalis want things to root for. And they wanted to root for her. You know, they want to root for their kids doing well. Cooper almost 90 of that first graduating class got accepted into international colleges. Some 40 of starrs students are now in american universities on academic scholarships. Nimo is finishing up at oberlin. Fadumo is at rochester. Her sister nadira is at yale. Mubarik is at m. I. T. , and abdisamads at harvard. Do each of you plan on going back to to work somehow for somaliland . Nadira i think the whole reason jonathan is doing this is for us to make sure that people back home or, like, people that are less fortunate, also get the same opportunities that we get. Cooper so what would be a life goal . Nimo i think the Supreme Court is definitely the place for me. Cooper being on the Supreme Court in somaliland . Nimo yes. Cooper how about for you . Fadumo probably, like, building a hospital and bringing a lot of equipment and bringing doctors. Abdisimad after, like, maybe, like, a few years working here, go back, start, like, my own business. Nadira creating more opportunities for girls and seeing more girls in school. Cooper empowering girls and women. Nadira yeah. Cooper Mubarik Mohamoud was part of the first class to graduate abaarso. He is now a senior at m. I. T. , engineering and computer science. When you heard that you got into m. I. T. . Mubarik hmmm, yeah, that that was insane. Cooper that was insane . laughter mubarik yeah. Cooper has it been hard . Mubarik m. I. T. . Its hard, it is really hard. But the thing is, it is hard for everyone. Cooper his english isnt as good as most abaarso students, but his story is remarkable. He was a nomadic goat herder for much of his childhood, and knew nothing about school or the world beyond his herd until he ran away. When he showed up to take the Entrance Exam to abaarso, Jonathan Starr saw his potential and gave him a scholarship. Starr hes pretty smart, to be fair. laughter he has a terrific brain that just needed a chance. Cooper the success of mubarik and the other graduates has encouraged the students still at abaarso to work that much harder. So how many of you want to go to college . We all want to go to college. Cooper how many of you want to go to college in america . Yes. Cooper you all want to go to college in america . laughter any of you think you could be the president of somaliland one day . Of course. Sahra well try to be the ministries of education, ministries of something. And we will absolutely going to try to run the country. Cooper so, whats the reward for you . Starr before i did this, to me, i was a disappointment. Cooper youd run a hedge fund. Youd made millions of dollars. Starr yeah. Im not im not look, i definitely, like, have a bigger ego than the average human being. Like, thats true. Like, i have a high view of what im capable of doing and i, at 32 years old, when i was first starting this, did not feel like i had lived up to that. And now i feel like i got there. Cooper do you see this as something youve done . Or do you see this as something these kids have done . Starr i gave them a chance to win, and then they went in that classroom and they won. 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