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Ticket and trumps message this week. Plus, with security already tight here in cleveland, will they take more steps after the latest act of terror. Well ask Republican Party chief reince priebus. And our sunday panel on how the renewed debate over National Security will shape the race between trump and Hillary Clinton. All right now on this special edition of Fox News Sunday. You are looking live at quicken loans arena. Home of the nba champion cleveland cavaliers. And this week, the site of the Republican National convention. Starting tomorrow, this hall will be filled with more than 2,400 delegates as the gop takes a bold leap nominating donald trump for president. And hello again from fox news. Were following three major stories today. The fallout from that failed military coup in turkey. New arrests in the terror attack in nice, france. And Donald Trumps Vice President ial pick, indiana governor mike pence. Well talk with Trump Campaign chair Paul Manafort about all this in a moment. First, a team fox coverage on the breaking news overseas. We begin with john huddy in istanbul where as the smoke clears, turkeys civilian government has regained control and rounding up the military leaders of that attempted coup. Reporter chris, thats right. Theres been a lot of support for turkish presented juident e. Again, a show of support for the country and turkeys president after the failed coup attempt. Last night, thousands of his supporters hit the streets in taksim square. We saw some of the celebration at our location here lasting well into the Early Morning hours. The chaos started friday night when turkish tanks rolled into istanbul and ankara. The president ial palace and parliament came under fire as well. At least 200 people in all were killed during the violence. Thousands have since been arrested. The number is at at least 6,000 people. That includes highranking military, police, and judicial officials as well. Both turkeys Prime Minister and president erdogan has accused them to being loyal to fethullah gulen. Erdogan nonetheless is demanding that the u. S. Extradite gulen back to turkey. President erdogan vowed to clear all institutions of gulen supporters. Theres been struggles as we know between turkeys secular establishment and erdogan. This is a concern for u. S. Officials. Turkey as we know is an ally of the United States and a member of nato, also involved in the fight against isis. As turkey purges its government and military of coup supporters, chris, the question now is whether or not this will embolden erdogan or lead to maybe some kind of political change, policy change in turkey or whether it will lead to more political instability and chaos. John, thanks for that. Now, the terror attack in france. Lets bring in Fox News Senior Foreign Affairs correspondent amy kellogg live in nienice wit latest on the investigation. Reporter police this morning say that they picked up two more contacts of the man who carried out thursdays terrorist attack here. According to french media reports, they feel quite confident that they have in detention the person who supplied the attacker with his gun. Right now, there are six people in custody for questioning. Members of his entourage tell police that Mohamed Lahouaiej bouhlel radicalized very recently and rapidly. But neighbors and family describe him as a drinker, a womanizer and a man who didnt attend mosques. He was prone to acts of domestic violence. He was in the midst of a divorce and had three children under the age of 6. He had been tweeted for depression. The question becomes, was he a strict adherent of the Islamic State or someone who just snapped in the most violent way. The only details so far of his alleged radicalization are the fact that he recently stopped drinking and began to grow a beard. He did reportedly empty out his Bank Accounts and sell his personal effects before the attack. Throughout the weekend, people have continued to search for loved ones. This man only yesterday discovered his 4yearold son was dead. His wife was also killed. And it goes on, chris. Now, the interior minister of france said that this sort of attack by someone who was off the radar screens of the Intelligence Services who hadnt gone off somewhere to train, who hadnt built an explosive device represents a new challenge for Law Enforcement here. And timely, that interior minister calling on the population for volunteers to join the reserves to protect this country which very sadly is bracing for more troibl. Chris . Amy kellogg reporting from nice. Thanks for that. Joining me now here at the Convention Site in cleveland is Donald Trumps Campaign Chair Paul Manafort. Welcome back to Fox News Sunday. Good to see you, chris. With all the chaos that weve just been talking about around the world, why should voters trust donald trump to be commander in chief, someone whos had no experience dealing with any of this, as opposed to Hillary Clinton . All the chaos is exactly the reason why voters should trust donald trump. The world today is the mess because of the failure of u. S. Leadership, leadership that obama and clinton as secretary of state put in place when they took office in 2009. Donald trump is not just a businessman. Hes a person who understands the issues. Hell have a team around him in washington that understands the problems. And as he says on the campaign trail, the mess has been created by the people in washington. Theyre the ones that got to be removed from power. Even among trump supporters, there is a question about temperament, a question of steadiness. I want to talk to you about events this week. Because a Top Republican official tells me that as late as thursday night after it was supposedly official that trump was still talking about could he get out of picking mike pence as his running mate. The question becomes, if he had that much difficulty making his first president ial type decision, is he fit to be commander in chief . Well, im the one who personally was talking to donald trump between the time he was doing events in california and the time he got on a plane. What we were talking about thursday night was because of the tragedy in the world, postponing his announcement scheduled for friday morning. Governor pence was in new york. He wasnt there to shop. He was there to be announced. As far as trump was concerned, the details are what we were talking about, not the decision. Again, because this has been widely reported and ive had a Top Republican official let me just get my question out, who say that thursday night after pence was already on scene in new york, that hes still saying, well, hes boring, do we really have to go ahead with this. First of all, he doesnt think hes boring. I dont know who your top official is. Im a top trump official and im the official he was talking to. I know the details that we were talking about on thursday night were moving the announcement and also his concern with what was going on in the world. He was emotionally responding to another tragedy because of failed u. S. Leadership. Here is what mr. Trump said yesterday in his first joint appearance with mike pence. One of the big reasons that i chose mike and one of the reasons is party unity. I have to be honest. So many people have said party unity. Because im an outsider. I want to be an outsider. Is that what the pence selection is about . Unifying the Republican Base . Its one of the reasons, but thats not the primary reason. When donald trump announced several months ago he was going to start his Vice President ial election process, he said several criteria were important. One, he needed somebody that had experience to be president on day one. Two, he wanted somebody who could help him build a program that could get through congress and become law within the first 100 days. He wanted somebody that was part of the system because he wasnt. That in no means is to imply that he thinks the outsider status is wrong. Its precisely because hes an outsider that he thinks he compliments the team. Its not going to change his style. Hes upset. Hes concerned as americans are concerned that the country is a mess, the world is a mess. He leads it to the failed leadership of obama and clinton. And pence is a man who has done the kinds of things against the system that donald trump says hes going to do in washington. He lower taxes. He lowered unemployment. He stabilized the economic situation. Created over 150,000 jobs in indiana. At the same time, he was able to maintain a 2 billion reserve and expand education and infrastructure development, things like that. Its exactly the kind of leadership that donald trump says hes going to bring to washington. By, paul, lets look at pences record on some other issues. As governor, he sign add bill that would ban a woman from getting an abortion because her fetus has genetic abnormalities. He signed a religious freedom bill allowing people to refuse to serve gays. He had to cut off all funding for planned parenthood. He opposed federal funding for aids treatment. What should the moderate republican woman who lives in the socially, socially moderate or even liberal, make of mike pence . Hes a man of principle and he is somebody who believes in the right to life and he believes in the system of government and using the constitution to defend the rights of all people. But on a lot of those issues, shes going to be opposed to where he stands on abortion, on gay rights, on treatment of aids even donald trump talks about the good parts of planned parenthood. It depends how you define moderate. We think that the positions of donald trump, the man running for president , and governor pence are in the mainstream of america. Were convinced its going to be appealing to moderates, conservatives, and liberals that were supporting Bernie Sanders because of his campaign against the rigged political system, the rigged trade system. Thats why we think were going to have an appeal to those voters who have said, over 20 , that they dont like Hillary Clinton, they dont trust Hillary Clinton. And the messages of change of the Trump Campaign are those messages that were popular to sanders voters and will be an appeal to us. Then, there are some sharp differences between the two men or some very key issues. Pence called trumps proposed ban on foreign muslims, offensive and unconstitutional. Pence supports nafta. Trump has called the tpp a, quote, rape of our country. They disagree on two pillars of the Trump Campaign. Youre exploiting the differences. Theyre not that different. First of all, on the ban of terrorists, governor pence believes as donald trump has said repeatedly but youre not reporting that the world is in crisis and there needs to be a suspension of immigration from terrorist countries until we figure out whats going on. But he did call it offensive and unconstitutional. Look, first of all, this team is not going to see eye to eye on everything. On the issues youre raising, theyre not disagreeing. They both agree there needs to be a ban on terrorist countries nafta . Donald trump believes in trade. He just believes in trade thats good for our country. He believes in bilateral agreements. Governor pence agrees with that position completely. On the specific deals that have been made and one is law, naftas been law for 20 years, other one tpp, pence favors these, trump opposes them. Pence agrees in fair and free trade. Nafta what he said, he said this in the last two days as well. He said that nafta is a situation that needs to be reviewed. Nafta has clauses in it this bill was signed into law in the 1990s and there were supposed to be review periods. Theyve never been reviewed. Trump says we need to review them, its costing American People jobs and he wants to revise the trade agreement. Pence agrees with that. The principles, they definitely agree on. Additionally, the fact that they may disagree on some positions, trump never said he want add yes man as Vice President. Governor pence does that. Since 2000, mike pence has sworn off negative campaigning and this weekend 60 minutes asked both men about that. Here it is. What do you think about your running mates campaign and the tone and the negativity of it . I think this is a good man whos been talking about the issues the American People care about. But name calling . Donald trumps candidacy has been about the issues the American People care about. I call her crooked hillary. I didnt ask him to do it, but i dont think he should do it because its different for him. Does that mean that trump will have to be his own attack dog in this campaign . Youre talking about style not substance. Governor pence 100 agrees with donald trump that the failed leadership of obama and clinton needs to be changed. He 100 agrees that the mess in the world today is the cause of clintons Foreign Policy when she was secretary of state. He 100 agrees we need to put a wall up to protect i understand that. The point is that hes talking about these in issue terms while your guy, trump is both your guys now. Trump is talking about lying hillary, crooked hillary. Is trump going to be the one who has to make that kind of case in very personal terms . Trump is talking about the same issues pence is talking about. Style is difference, but substance is the same. To assume one is different, thats creating something thats not there. Were in the business of fixing things that are broken. Youre in the business of that. When i meant us, i meant us. What is the central message that trump would like to get out at this convention . Whats he going to be trying to say to the American People . That its time for change. That Hillary Clinton is the epitome of the establishment. Her 25 years in the National Spotlight are the 25 years america has gone into decline. Its time for a dramatic change. Not just a change where people promise changes and then go to washington and do nothing. Trump isnt part of washington. Hes not part of washington, hes going to come in, like hes done in business, hes going to make a difference because hes going to bring focus, purpose, and change to washington. An acceptance speech is a big deal, as you well know. Its one of the two times that americans broadly are paying attention to a campaign. What is he going to try to change . Beyond the point of change versus status quo, i understand that. What is he going to get across in his spoech particularly about him and people that may have doubts about him . Its not just trump, its the whole convention. The convention is going to focus on the man himself, not just the candidate for president. Its going to talk about his life. Its going to talk about who he is. The kinds of things hes done, not just in business, but the person behind him. Youre going to see the family, the creation of what hes done not in business only, but through his philanthropy and other things. The acceptance speech will be in the same context. Its also going to carry the indictment against Hillary Clinton. Is he going to ad lib . Hes going to be donald trump. So hes going to ad lib. Paul, thank you. Thanks for your time on a very busy week. Okay. Great. 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A look at the river here in cleveland as we continue our covering from the Republican National convention. Joining us to discuss preparations and the security situation for this week is party chair reince priebus. Mr. Chairman, welcome back to Fox News Sunday. Thanks for having me, chris. We have seen big protests and even violence at a number of trump rallies this year. Are you ready for that here in cleveland this week . Were ready for it. Every convention has its share of problems and protests. Weve taken extra precautions. Weve got 50 million in federal security, weve got thousands of cops coming in from around the country, weve got secret service in full force and were ready for everything. The citys going to be safe. And its beautiful outside too. It is beautiful and its a great town. Security was already very tight for this convention. Has the terrible ambush of police in dallas, has the terror attack in nice, has that changed your plans and made your make security even tighter . And at this moment, is there is credible Security Threat against this convention . Thats not what im hearing. Thats not what the police are talking about. I think people are feeling comfortable right now with whats happening. Were also in a very good position here on the lake. When you think about a secured perimeter, with the river on the other side, it lends itself to a good place to lock in and secure. On friday, the democrats sent out a full schedule for their convention, who the speakers are going to be, what the themes are going to be, and this doesnt start a week from tomorrow. Your Convention Starts tomorrow, and there still seem to be some questions up in the air. Do you know who the keynote speaker is going to be . I do, but im not at liberty to reveal it. The campaign today, i think its at 4 00 and some of the folks in the convention, are going to brief the press on the schedule. Why is it seem to disorganized . Its not philadelphia and the dems are already set. Its not disorganized, its different. If you look at this hall and how beautiful it is on the fly, if we can take a shot of the hall, it is one of the most spectacular Convention Halls ive ever seen and that stage which looks like the bridge on the uss starship. It is unbelievable in here. They looked around and said this is an amazing thing. I can just assure you that donald trump and his campaign know how to put on a show. Theyre going to do it. Well have plenty of politicians, plenty of other things happening. I think people are going to be pretty impressed. The biggest thing is, its thursday night, its donald trump giving that speech, the balloons coming down and people saying, i can see him in the white house. Thats what reagan needed to overcome in 1979. When he did, the bottom fell out of jimmy carter. I think were in the same place. We also hear that the party is 6 million in the hole for the financing of this convention and that you and other Party Officials have made a lastminute appeal to billionaire and casino owner to come up with the money. I havent. I will keep it short because i know you like short answers. The party, the rnc is in full max. We raised 14. 5 million in hard money. You may know the convention money was taking away from the parties. Were maxed. Our piece is in. The campaign is in. The Host Committee here has soft money they need to raise for other things and theyre getting that all together now. It is not unusual for a ew Million Dollars to come in at the end. Clevelands done a great job. There is no problem. Okay. After mitt romneys defeat in 2012, you commissioned what was called a post mortem to figure out how you prevent that from happening again. You said, you got to be able to reach out to more of america, you got to be able to reach out to women, you got to be able to reach out to young people, you got to be able to reach out to minorities. Given his very conservative views on social issues, does mike pence help you with that . I think he does because he shores up the social conservative base, but does he help you with that, with the socially moderate or liberal voters . I think donald trump and pence are somewhere in the middle of each other. I think bringing pence on board shores up a piece donald trump needed to shore up. Weve got a bigger party than weve ever had. Weve got over 500 fulltime staffers and a fulltime presence in black and hispanic communities. Donald trumps going to be doing a hispanic Engagement Tour coming up soon. He understands we need to grow the party, party of the open door, tone, rhetoric, spirit, all those things matter when communicating to the American People. I understand the point about reaching out to voters, but i want to show you numbers of recent polls. Among voters under 35, young people, clinton leads trump 41 to 34 . Among women, she leads 51 to 32 . And among blacks, clinton leads 87 to 3 . Also a big advantage for her among hispanics. According to your own post mortem appealing tony voters, you cant win with numbers like that. Thats true. But we also have a long way to go. What weve set up as an infrastructure through the Republican National committee for that to happen. Theres other polls that she trump at 12 with black voters and doing just as well or better than mitt romney in hispanic communities. Look, if trumps at 12 in black community, mitt was at about 4 . That one poll. I understand. Im not calling that. There are many other polls that show something different. We have to do better. Donald trump understands that, willing to reach out and do better. With the selection of mike pence, the thinking now is that trump and the party are going to pursue a rust belt strategy in this campaign to try to win the white house by taking states like here on the map, pennsylvania and michigan and ohio and wisconsin. Is that now the path to 270, to the majority . I think its obviously an important piece of the path. Ohio, it starts here in ohio. Thats a big reason were here in cleveland. I think he does very well in pennsylvania, especially western pennsylvania. I think it is a big part of the strategy. I think donald trump and pence together let me pick up on that. Three of those four states, pennsylvania and michigan and wisconsin, have not voted for a republican look at the map there. They are solid blue. They have not voted for a republican since at least 1988, one of them since 84. Thats six straight elections. The button down approach hasnt worked very well for us in our party. Weve been not a great president ial party. Donald trumps very different. You didnt mention iowa. Weve got a tie in iowa right now and hes doing well there. I think hes going to expand youre going to open up the map in places that are traditionally democratic. I think we can flip a couple places. Hes actually doing well in florida. If you look at iowa and add in other places, i think hell be okay. We were just hearing them starting to reverse the roll call. You could i have asked them to hold off during your appearance here. Hey, guys. Just briefly, what do you want to get out of this convention . Couple things. One, i want to show the unification process continuing. For me, im serious. I think thursday night is a really big deal for our party, trump delivering that consistent, measured, pointed message, the balloons drop, the band plays. Donald trump running for president in the white house. Thats where we need to be. Chairman priebus, thank you. Thanks for talking with us today. You bet. Up next, well bring in our sunday group to discuss the turmoil and terror overseas and the impact it will have on the president ial election. Much more from the Republican Convention when Fox News Sunday returns. Coming up, security is tightening ahead of the Republican Convention here in cleveland. The sunday panel will discuss that and how worries over National Security and terror will shape the race between trump and clinton. After four years of clinton who really led the way and led obama down a horrible path, because i dont even think he could have made these decisions so badly, she led him right down a horrible path. We are watching it become the party of trump. And thats not just a huge loss for our democracy. It is a threat to it. Donald trump and Hillary Clinton attacking each other this week on issues of security at home and overseas. And its time now for our sunday group. Fox news senior political analyst brit hume, julie pace who covers the white house and the campaign from the associated press. The anchor of special report bret baier and kristen powers. I think its fair to say that Donald Trumps poll numbers generally went up in the immediate aftermath of terror attacks. People saw him and his tough approach as something that appeals to him. Now that hes facing Hillary Clinton in the general election, do you expect that trend to continue . It might, chris. I think in this instance, we appear to live in a world where any big news is invariably very bad news. I think long term for what happened in turkey. People look to the candidates i think and if you believe as donald trump asserts that these are the fruits of administration policy, you might be more drawn to him. On the other hand, on the question of stability and experience and judgment, this might in the end end up helping her. I think its a tossup now. I think long term its a very good question which candidate this sort of thing helps. After the ambush in dallas, donald trump sounded a new theme and take a look at that. We must maintain law and order at the highest level or we will cease to have a country. 100 , we will cease to have a country. I am the law and order candidate. Julie, does the Trump Campaign think that thats a winning message for them . They absolutely do. They think that voters are feeling a lot of anxiety. They look at nice and other places around the world and strongly believe that that could happen here. What i think he needs to work on, particularly in the fall debates, is some specifics to back that up. Right now, all it is is a slow gain. We hear him talking about strength, being tough, but theres really a stunning lack of detail about what that would actually look like. Is it enough, julie, for him to say, hey, look, this is the team, clinton obama, that brought you all of this mess, im different . It might be. I think it depends how voters look at this election in the fall. Do they look at it as a referendum of the Obama Administration or do they look at this election as a referendum on trump and his readiness to be president. I want to go back to a point i was discussing earlier with Paul Manafort. And that is the question of trumps temperament. I heard from Top Republican officials that trump was waiving. I know Paul Manafort flatly denies it, we should point that out. Trump was waivering as late as thursday night. Does that raise questions about his fitness to be commander in chief . I dont think the trump people are going to focus on that. I think its going to be more about how dispense help him or not. But back to your original question about, you know, post Foreign Policy. Just today, secretary kerry said that isis is on the run. One year ago, the democrats were saying bin laden is dead and gm is alive. There was this sense of inclination to automatically go to lone wonderflf for every att. Theres this visceral fear that this administration doesnt get the threat. When donald trump talks about the threat in a way that really identifies with it, i think that they think thats really hitting home. Is it enough simply to say, theyve screwed it up, i wont, or does he need to put meat on the bones . He needs to put some meat on the bones. Needs to say whos going to be around him probably. Even this, just saying that i acknowledge your fears is something president obama has conceded he doesnt do a good job at. If you keep hearing noise in the background, they have decided now is precisely the right time to check out the sound system, as they always do. Can i Say Something . I specifically said, we got to let the rnc dont do it during the hour were broadcasting this show. As you say, they always do it. I want to switch to the question of security here in cleveland. Not to be alarmist, but there is a legitimate concern. Weve seen violence at trump rallies all around the country. You got to figure people who oppose him are going to be coming here to cleveland to have their say and create some disorder. If that happens, if we see violence in the streets, the political impact of that, how do you think that washes if we see that kind of disorder here . I guess it depends on whos causing it. What makes this a little bit of a toxic mix, so many people are so unhappy with donald trump, this is going to be their place to come and make that clear. If they clash with people black lives matter people coming and clashing with people who are white supremacist which trump does have a very, very small group of people who support him are white supremacist, it could be very toxic. It depends on how he responds to it. Frankly, he hasnt in the past when some of these White Supremacists and has been asked about it, he wont decry them. If hes not going to condemn that bad behavior, that could be very bad for him. Brit, you and i both remember chicago in 1968 when there were riots in the street. I think at that time it was seen as hurting the democrats because there was a sense that in the country and now in their Conventions Center outside the Convention Hall that they were losing control. What do you think the political impact is if we see disorder here . Chicago is different in the sense that the clashes in the streets represented or mirrored at least, the situation in the hall where you had a really deeply divided Democratic Party whose candidate for president was not chosen by the process we see now. Despite primaries that we had then, wasnt like it is today where its almost done by its kind of a National State by state election. I think that would set it apart. If there are clashes in the streets, as kirsten suggests, it will depend on who gets blamed for that and whos carrying it out. This theme reminds me very much of 1968 of donald trump saying hes the law and order candidate. There is that parallel. I dont think frankly weve seen this kind of turmoil in politics since 1968. All right. We have to take a break here. As arizona gets ready to take its roll call. When we come back, donald trump picks mike pence, was that the best choice . Plus, what do i want to ask the panel about trumps running mate. We may use your question on the air. Im just a guy who wants to buy that truck. And im just a guy who wants to sell him that truck. So i used truecar. It told me what other people in the area paid for the truck i want. And because were a truecar certified dealership, i already know the truck he wants. So were on the same page before he even gets here. Its fair. And its fast. Look good . Looks great. This is how car buying was always meant to be. This is truecar. As Ronald Reagan said, were tired of being told that a little intellectual elite in a far distant capital can plan our lives better for us than we can plan them for ourselves. Donald trump gets it and he understands the American People. Indiana governor mike pence laying out the theme of change versus the status quo in his First Official appearance yesterday as Donald Trumps running mate. Were back now with the panel as the roll call continues here three days before it actually is going to happen. We want to put up new poll, an abc Washington Post poll which shows that on the eve of the convention, clinton leads trump 47 to 43. Thats down from a 12point lead just a month ago. Clinton down, trump up a bit. And one wonders at least in clintons falling numbers whether the fbi nonindictment but political scolding from fbi director james comey had a role in that. Mike pence, what do you think of the pick . Reassuring pick as far as the remnant of the Republican Party which is not rallied to trumps side. You think about trumps position, trying to add up the numbers for a general election. Mitt romney got 93 of the republican vote and won the independents and still lost. Sort of the first order of business for donald trump will be to fill out the republican support so he has at least that. It would be great for him if he could get more. Its a real task. He doesnt have that. Its reflected by whos here and whos not here in this Convention Hall. He picks somebody who is in the republican mainstream. It was a safe, if unexciting choice. We asked for you questions for the panel. We got a bunch about the pick of mike pence. Heres one of them, will pence harm trumps noni had logical personality driven brand . Yes, it was a safe choice in the sense it would appeal to republicans who have been skeptical of trump, but it goes so against type for trump. Hes picking someone who has a long washington history. Someone who is very ideological. Who does have a conservative philosophy. A lot of people who are drawn to trump are not drawn to him because of ideology. It is possible that someone like a Newt Gingrich would have been better for the brand. But this is all about putting together your general election coalition. Trump did need someone who would at the very least shore up republicans. As we were sitting here in the sky box where were going to be broadcasting all this week, bret baier is going to be anchoring our specials coverage along with americas news headquarters megyn kelly. Each year, each convention, you see where the states are placed. Theyre getting ready to call up alabama. You see alabama is up front. These states are organized by how they voted for donald trump. Not by their importance of swing states or even the home states. Ohio is jammed in the corner. Let me interrupt to say, in my experience, the home state always has pride of price and is if not at the front, very close to the front. Also in the front, connecticut. Thats not exactly your primary state of importance, but guess what, they overwhelmingly voted for donald trump. You look at where the states are placed, thats interesting. Its a little bit telling. He was also involved, were told, with this rollout and the family has played a really strong roll. Ivanka trump is going to introduce her father on the final night. We do hear this unusual for a president ial candidate that trump is well, he fancies himself as a great producer, that hes very involved in producing every bit of this convention. He is. Its going to be interesting to see how its received. Theres a whole bunch of different speakers. But the message that is going to be really hit home again and again and again is one you heard from mike pence yesterday. The gop cannot allow Hillary Clinton to become president of the United States. That will be the unifying message that they hope brings everybody on board. So lets talk about the clinton team, head quartered in brooklyn. What did they make of mike pences selection . Is there someone that they were worried that trump might pick. We know the final three were christie, gingrich, and pence. They were definitely chomping at the bit for it to be gingrich. They were ready to go. The expectation was if it was again grich ingrich or a christ they were going to Say Something they shouldnt have said. They had a long laundry list with gingrich. Pence is a little harder because hes not somebody whos probably going to go off script. But they will make lemonade from lemons. Theyre going to paint him as somebody whos whos i idealogically out of the mainstream from americans. If you look at it from his perspective, from the other side, something that was antigay. They were paint him that way. I think that that its great for trump that he can use him to shore up the base, but as julie was saying, he is somebody that maybe some democrats would have voted for, people who were unhappy with hillary. But not if they see him as somebody whos going to line up with the views of mike pence. Lets be clear about what a Vice President ial choice can do. It can help to unite the party and unify the convention. Once youre past that, theres no history i can even think of where a Vice President ial selection has been decisive in any way. We had the disaster with George Mcgovern and Thomas Eagleton back in 1972. Barring Something Like that, the Vice President s role is over once you get out on the trail. This is about trump. Its all about trump. If pence were a more luminous figure in terms of his personality, there would be some possibility he might to some extent steal the show. But does anybody on earth think that donald trump is not going to make this campaign about him . Look, the announcement it is a little unusual to have somebody choose somebody whos so different from them idealogically. Maybe. Theres an awful lot of ticket balancing thats been done by doing very much back. Look at what happened in the announcement. Trump comes out to announce pence and talks about himself for half an hour. Pence is talking and trump leaves. He does wait until the end of the speech. Well, i get that. You know what im saying. Its about him and he wants it to be about him. One of the things he has to think about going forward, Hillary Clinton is a pretty target rich environment. Shes not popular and not trusted. Do you want to make the campaign about her, maybe so. But can trump is trump willing to do that or is he or is he going to make it inevitably and just because of the way he is, about him. I think one of the potential risks in the pence pick is that trump has very deftally avoided social issues in this campaign. Which can be a real trouble spot. Pence is so closely aligned with conservatives. Trump is now going to have to answer for some of those positions. Mike pence when he ran ran like bob mcdonald in virginia. Hes a social conservative that ran on the economy and ran on economic issues. Thats one element. The criticism about the introduction, 28 minutes, every network took that. And donald trump knew that. And he used it. And they took it all. And it was classic donald trump. I have to say off camera, Paul Manafort said exactly that. Were going to lose the opportunity to make our case not just introduce mike pence in that time. He took it. I do have to say my favorite line was every once in a while, hed say, back to pence. Its going to be an interesting convention. I think it will be a different convention. I will say, i was talking to Paul Manafort off camera about the stage which is quite dramatic. He said theres going to be an interesting change on thursday night. He wouldnt tell me what it was, but be prepared that this Starship Enterprise may change. Thank you, panel. See you next sunday with all the democrats in philadelphia. Up next, a final word as we continue our coverage from the Republican National convention in cleveland. Another live look inside the hall here at quicken loans arena. Now this program note. Stay tuned to this station and Fox News Channel for the latest on the situation in turkey, the france terror attack and of course the Republican Convention. Next week, well be reporting from the democratic National Convention in philadelphia as Hillary Clinton and her running mate, whoever that is, make their case to voters. The following is a paid presentation for the Bye Bye Foundation beautiful you collection from it cosmetics by jamie kern lima. Brought to you by guthy renker. Imagine having skin that looks this beautiful, this flawless, without having to wear foundation. 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