Claims responsibility for the shooting in texas. This is the kind of attack, quite frankly, were most concerned about. Well discuss the recruitment of domestic terror with michael mccaul. Insure on you power player of the week as the nation remembers vd day we go up in a b24 bomber all right now on Fox News Sunday. Hello again and happy mothers day from fox news in washington. Three new candidates entered the republican president ial race this week with a field thats likely to grow to more than a dozen. The challenge will be finding a way to stand out. Retired neurosurgeon dr. Ben carson has made it clear he has no desire to fit into the mold of a washington politician. Dr. Carson joins us now. Welcome back to Fox News Sunday. Thank you. Good to be here. First of all, especially on this mothers day, how is your mom, who i know is ill . Briefly, looking back, what was the greatest impact shes had on your life. Thank you for asking. Thank you for the millions of people who have started praying for her. Shes starting to eat again. We thought she was gone and she started eating again. She had the biggest impact of any human being on my life because she refused to be a victim and she refused to let me and my brother be victims. And that was really the key. And she made us do things we didnt wanted to do. She reminds me of that baltimore mother who went out and got her son off the streets. That would have been her. It made a huge difference. You grew up in dire poverty in inner city detroit. Thats right. Never had money for anything. But i tell you what did really work, books. Between the covers of those books i could go anyplace, be anybody, do anything particularly as i read about people of great accomplishment, i began to realize that the person who has the most to do what happens to you in your life is you. Not somebody else and not the environment. Okay. Your greatest strength in the race, i would argue, and some would argue is also your greatest label, and that is youve never run for or held political office. How do you answer the experience question . I simply say experience can come from a variety of different places. There have been many people who have been groomed to believe that experience can only come in the political arena, but ive had a lot of experience. The world sprns. Experience. Putting together teams to accomplish things never done before. Putting together a National Scholarship program. Nine out of ten nonprofits fail. Ours not only has not failed has thrived. Working in all 50 states and the district of columbia. Were putting in reading rooms all over the country affecting peoples lives. Ive had lot of Corporate Board experience, 18 years on keg kelloggs, 16 years on costco as well as other boards. Theres reallife experience and politics. Politics, there are some good politics in the political arena but im not sure they actually, in many cases, understand real life. All right. Lets talk about real policies and drill down into some of them. Heres what you say on your website about russia. All options should remain on the table when dealing with international bullies such as president putin. Dr. Carson when you say all options, does that include the use of military force . All options includes all options. That doesnt mean that would be my first option. When we look at russia and we look at putin, we can realize that he has great ambitions. His ambitions have been thwarted of late because of falling oil prices. And we should take note of that and realize that the economic weapon is a tremendous one in his case. We have incredible Natural Resources in this country in terms of oil, in terms of natural gas but we have energy exportation rules from the 70s when we had an Energy Crisis that need to be gotten rid of. We can use that to make europe and other portions of the world more dependent on us. And that decreases his influence and his ability to expand. Let me follow up. You say all options all options. Under what circumstances would president carson be willing to go to war with russia . What are your red lines . Well, i would, obviously, do that in consultation with very competent generals and people who are more knowledgeable in that area than i would be. However, clearly if the interest of the people of 9 United States was at stake and that was the only way to protect them, of course i would do whatever was necessary. Would you go to war over ukraine . No, i wouldnt go to war over ukraine, but i would handle ukraine a very different way. Ukraine was a nuclear arms state. They gave up their weapons. It was agreed they would be protected if something happened with aggression. Have we have we lived up to that . Of course, we have not. What does that say to our other allies around the world . Not a good sign. One of the pillars of your Economic Program is a flat tax. How would that work . Well, i like the idea of a proportional tax. That way you pay according to your ability. And i got that idea, quite frankly, from the bible, tithing. You make 10 billion a year, you pay 1 billion. Thats pretty darn fair, if you ask me. Some people say its not fair because the poor people cant afford to pay that dollar. Thats very condescending. I grew up poor. I experienced every economic level. I can tell you poor people have pride, too. They dont want to be just taken care of. And also if everybody is paying, it makes it very difficult for these politicians to come along and raise taxes. Its easy to raise it on 1 or 2 or 5 . Its very difficult to raise it on 10 on0 . Here is a problem with flat tax, according to tax center to raise the same amount of revenue we do now, the tax rate would have to be in the low to 20 . Middle income would get a tax hike and wealthy families would get a tax cut. I dont agree with that assessment. Ive been in contact with many economists and in fact, if you eliminate loopholes and deductions youre talking about a rate between 10 and 15 . The outside experts we talk to say youre talking in the 20s. Thats have a battle of the experts. Well have a battle of the experts, thats right. But, for instance you talk about low income families. Not only dont they pay, they usually get an earned income tax credit. Now youll have them pay 10 to 15 of income they have or 20 if my experts are right. A lot of independent study say the people that make out like bandits in this are the wealthy. Bear in mind, chris, this is part of an overall complex program. It also involves reorienting the way we do things in government. Makes the government run more like a business in this great inefficient behemuth we have right now. It involves utilizing our energy resources. We can get an enormous amount of revenue from that. By the time you put all those things involves getting rid of all of these things that are fettering the economic engine and revamping corporate taxes and bringing in money thats overseas by giving a tax holiday, thats 2 trillion right there. There are a number of things involved in doing this. Fair enough. Were beginning to run out of time so a lightning round. One thing you say youre learning not to be on so inflammatory in the language you use. But i want to ask you about some remarks youve said you say he stand by. You have compared our government today to nazi germany. Do you really believe that . A lot of people like to say that. What i said is that in nazi germany, most of those people didnt believe in what hitler was doing, but did they say anything . They did not. Thats what allowed people to progress to that point. We need to be willing to stand up and speak up for what we believe. But people oppose barack obama all the time. There are a lot of people in our society who are afraid to say what they really mean because they may get an irs audit, people will call them names, their jobs may be interfered with. This is not what america was supposed to be. Okay. Heres what you said about obamacare. Obamacare is really i think, the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery. In a way, it is slavery. The worst thing since slavery . You have to understand what im talking about. You know, obamacare fundamentally changes the relationship between the people and the government. The government is supposed to respond to the will of the people. Not dictate to the people what they are doing. With that program, were allowing that whole paradigm to be switched around. Finally in the area of these remarks, just this week you said that the president must carry out a law passed by congress, but you said he doesnt necessarily have to pass what you called a judicial law. Which raises the question. Do you believe the president must observe a decision by the Supreme Court . Well, what i said is the president doesnt have to agree with it. No of course not, but does he have to enforce it . Dred scott a perfect example. The Supreme Court came up with this and Abraham Lincoln did not agree with it. Admittedly caused conflict and led to a civil war, but were in a better place because of it. But does the president have to carry out a Supreme Court ruling . The way our constitution is set up the president or the executive branch is obligated to carry out the laws of the land. The laws of the land according to our constitution, are provided by the legislative branch. But, sir the laws of the land are not provided by the judiciary branch. Since marchbury v. Madison we have lived under the principle of judicial review which says the Supreme Court says this is the law, this is constitutional, the rest the executive has to observe that. And i have said, this is an area we need to discuss. We need to get into a discussion of this because it has changed from the original intent. So youre saying this is an open question as far as youre concerned . It is an open question. It needs to be discussed. Finally when people heard i was interviewing you this week there was one question i got more than any other. And that was, does he really think he has a chance of being elected president . How do you answer that . Well, i would answer it by saying, my life has been so full of people telling me what i couldnt do that i would be more concerned if they told me i could do it. Thats how i would answer it. You know, theres been a gazillion things people say, no ones done that before, you cant do that. My surgical career, which i joined rotc i joined late, they said i couldnt get to the top rank. Did it. They said, you cant start a scholarship program. It has excelled. Its not just me. You know, there are theres the ability to work with a lot of people to achieve what you need to achieve. Dr. Carson, thank you. Thanks for coming in today. Always a pleasure to talk to you. Well see you down the campaign trail. Thank you, chris. Up next, bill clinton breaks his silence on the controversy over huge speaking fees and foreign donations to his family foundation. Our sunday Group Discusses how its playing for hillary. Plus, nfl poster boy tom brady is back in the spotlight. Has all of the air gone out of his deflategate defense . The second were born. After all, healthier doesnt happen all by itself. It needs to be earned. Every day. Using wellness to keep away illness. And believing that a single life can be made better by millions of others. 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Former president bill clinton defending his wife and their foundation, but making it clear he intends to keep making big money on the lecture circuit. Its time for our sunday group. Fox news senior political analyst brit hume. Lisa lerer reporter for associated press, michael needham, and charles lane from the washington post. While Hillary Clinton has not answered questions about the speaking fees and big foreign donations, as you saw, bill clinton did, do you think he helped or hurt 1234. I think his answer is implausible. Theyre only worth 140 million. Of course someone has to hustle to pay the bills while she runs for president. Obviously, i dont think he helped. He didnt answer questions. He raised questions. You know, when shes out there trying to run as a populist, hes whining about paying the bills with the kind of money they have. Obviously, this isnt going to work. I dont know if it hurts her in the primary season phase of this to get the nomination, but i think theres certainly enough being built up to be used against him or her and him during a general election campaign. One thing Hillary Clinton talked about this week was immigration reform. She said she would go even further in deferring deportations than president obama and that led the National Republican committee to very quickly put out an ad. Take a look at both. As president , i would do Everything Possible under the law to go even further. Weve got to do several things. And i am adamantly against illegal immigrants. This exception on humanitarian grounds because of the individual stories. But certainly weve got to do more to our borders. And people have to stop employing illegal immigrants. That latter statement, lisa was from become in 2003 when she was a senator. Is clinton going to have problems with her flips on a number of issues from what she used to believe, or at least say, to what shes saying now . And are is this move to the left, because everything seems to be moving from the center to the left, is that going to be enough to satisfy the left wing of her base . Well, so far it has. There arent many other options of the left wing of the Democratic Party to flock to. They want to like everybody who plays in politics, they want to win so theyll go with a candidate more viable. I think a lot of what Hillary Clinton is trying to do here is keep the Obama Coalition together. Obama built this broad coalition. You see her trying to do that on immigration to keep that degree of turnout with latinos, with the baltimore speech aimed at africanamericans, keep the turnout there. She made a speech in Silicon Valley several weeks ago that was aimed at women women in tech. I think thats what shes doing here. Shes trying to reassure critics on the left and the left Party Overall the Democratic Party overall she will keep that coalition together and its a winning coalition. Clinton has taken a lot of heat these last couple of weeks on emails, on the big money, the clinton cash, as its being called, a short phrase. Take a look at this poll that came out this week from the new york times. In march her favorability rating was minus 11. She had 26 , people saying they had a favorable opinion of her. Now its minus 1 with 35 support. Michael has she weathered the storm . Well, well see. It depends. One thing that will come into play are the American People are extremely cynical about washington, d. C. And the cesspool of corruption and favoritism they feel. Hillary clinton says the deck is stacked against those in favor of those at the top. Nobody has done anything to benefit their family and friends more than the clintons. The question over the course of the campaign is the Republican Party can prosecute that case . Theres plenty of favoritism and cronyism that goes on amongst politicians on the republican side, which is why things like the Export Import Bank because incredibly important this cycle. If they can shut down a bank that has 31 Corruption Cases against it that uses the dollars of hardworking middle americans to subsidize boeing that shows the difference of the favoritism and cronyism of the clintons. Chuck youre read, has Hillary Clinton been damaged by the private email, the clinton cash, or not . You know, the poll numbers you showed suggest she hasnt been damaged. I think it has undermined the morale of her own supporters who are looking at this situation saying, oh, my god are we going to have to spend the next year and a half doing nothing but playing defense and all this stuff . Why couldnt they control themselves . Why couldnt they just not make 100 million . Why wasnt 50 million enough . You hear a lot of that undercurrent. Even though we were snickering at the Bernie Sanders challenge, its not serious, et cetera, et cetera, it gave him a talking point when he came out of the box. Its something hes going around iowa talking about. And i think that any candidate would tell you theyd rather have no negatives of this side out there against them than this one. And i think it i think its going to be a bit of a bleeding ulcer on her campaign. Then there is the really big story this week, the deflategate by the nfl. Talk about legalistic. It is more probable than not that tom brady was at least generally aware Team Employees took the air out of his footballs. Heres how brady reacted this week. Has this, however detracted from your joy of winning the super bowl . Absolutely not. We should point out that was in a massachusetts crowd so there were a lot of new england pat fans there. Brit youre a football fan. Are you persuaded by the report and if so should brady be punished . The problem with the report was it was basically inconclusive. If all they can do is a preponderance of the evidence suggested he was generally aware, thats a pretty limited charge. But the patriots have a kind of reputation, based on past incidents, of being cheaters. I think this feeds into that because theyve been so successful a lot of football fans around the country hate them, and this feeds into it and leaves a taint on that football franchise, successful though its been. Commissioner hume, would or would not suspend tom brady . I dont know how you can suspend someone being generally aware more probable than not. Seems weak to me but maybe they will. I think you suspend him for not fully cooperating with the investigation. Thats another matter. He didnt turn over his cell phone. Sports is more about than winning. Roberto clemente was a Great American for sacrificing and using his own celebrity to try to give help to others. Theres nothing admirable about what tom brady does or tiger woods does. Regardless of what goodell does, and if he cheated, he should be suspended. This is the type of thing that makes people sick of you know the kind of current culture were in and theres nothing admirable about what tom brady did. Its coming in the context of larger issues the league is facing criticism, how they handled the Domestic Violence accusation, head injuries, so its coming out in a environment thats tricky for the nfl to manage. The broader question is whether pro football or football in this current weve known it is under a death sentence because of the concussion problem. Looks as if time goes on fewer and fewer people will be playing the game and that will eventually kill the game. Having said that, the ratings are bigger than ever more people are watching than ever. I cant wait for the football season to start. We have to take a little break here. Well see you later in the program. Up next the attack on a muhammad cartoon in garland, texas. Well talk to michael mccaul, chair of the Homeland Security committee. A look outside the beltway at paris, france, on this ve day weekend marking the end of world war ii in europe. The threat of homegrown terror is as much a reality there as it is in this country. Isis claimed responsibility this week after two men open fire at a draw muhammad cartoon contest in garland texas. Now the terror group claims as recruits across this country who are ready to attack. Joining us now from paris is the chair of the house Homeland Security committee, texas congressman michael mccaul. Chairman, the pentagon raised the threat level at all u. S. Military bases this week, although they said there is no specific credible threat that they have. Do you think that action is warranted . Yeah, chris actually, i do. I think theres been an uptick in the threat out there. The level of chatter, internet calls to arms, if you will, to light up potential isis followers potentially in the United States. And attack military installations. Were seeing these directives almost like on a daily basis. Its very concerning. Im over here with the french counterterrorism experts talking about the Charlie Hebdo case, but then we have this phenomenon in the United States where they can be activated by the internet and really terrorism has gone viral. Well lets talk about the case in the u. S. , because, of course all of this and raising the Terror Threat at the u. S. Military bases comes after that attack in garland texas, two men going after this muhammad cartoon contest. And it also comes after a very disturbing briefing this week from fbi director james comey. Heres what comey said. He said that there are hundreds, maybe thousands of people in this country being recruited to carry out terror attacks and many of them are being directed to encrypted websites the fbi cant penetrate. Chairman, is the situation as bad as that sounds . I think these numbers are very low. I think the real numbers are higher. Remember, we have two threats. One is from foreign fighters coming out of the war region in iraq and syria, where i just visited, getting into the United States. The other threat or thousands of people in the United States who will take up this call to arms when isis sends out an internet intaish tweet wanting to launch a terror attack like we saw in garland texas. They said attack these cartoonists in garland and we had two individuals who were isismotivated show up to kill people. And i think the director is absolutely right. This threat is like finding a needle in a haystack sometimes and its going to get worse, not better. When you say worse, not better. As chairman of Homeland Security, how would you compare the threat to the u. S. Homeland right now to what its been since 9 11 . I think the threat environment today is one of the highest weve ever seen it. Primarily because there are so many failed states out there many of which we visited. Weve had to pull out of so many countries in northern africa. We have a failed state in syria. Baghdad is very dangerous situation right now. We just visited with the Prime Minister there. And so with that comes the breeding grounds of terrorism and the ability of terrorists to spread globally if their global jihad effort. Both from a foreign fighter standpoint to travel but also to radicalize people over the internet. And thats our main mission krishgs was to look at what are the security gaps over here and how can we close those gaps so these terrorists cant get into the United States. Well i want to talk particularly, though, about the homegrown threat. How after what youve just described and after what fbi director comey just said how do we find and stop this increasingly sophisticated recruitment of homegrown terrorists . Well i think the case in garland was a textbook case for Law Enforcement where it was actually stopped because the internet traffic was monitored picked up and i applaud Homeland Security, fbi and the local Garland Police in stopping that. But remember, this is very difficult to stop when you have so many of these missives, call to arms going out over the internet to potential followers in the United States. Remember, we have thousands of these followers currently in the United States. On thursday a federal Appeals Court ruled the nsas collection of metadata on billions of phone calls among americans is illegal. Before we get into possible reforms, let me just ask you about the program. How effective is it . How important is it in terms of stopping Terror Threats . Well, i have some personal background. I was federal prosecutor we did go through the private phone carriers. I think youll see a patriot act reauthorization in the congress that will allow this data not to be stored under the government, under nsa but rather to go back to the Telecom Carriers in the private sector where we can if theres probable cause, we can get that information through that avenue rather than having all this metadata under the federal government. I think thats where youll see the congress he headed towards and the courts have certainly gone in that direction. But Senate Majority leader mcconnell has been pretty tough on this. He says he wants to continue the program as it is with the Government Holding those billions of records, not private companies because he says hes not sure the private companies are up to it. Well i think youre going to have a debate in the Congress House and senate on this. I know judiciary is in the process of marking up their fisa reform and patriot act authorization and well see what happens through the amendment process. Ill tell you, when i was doing this in my own practice, we had no problem getting information from private phone carriers when we needed that information. I want to go back, though, to the question because there are a lot of critics who say this hasnt been that effective anyway and it hasnt broken up plots. From your experience, how important, how effective is the program to have this metadata to be able to connect the dots not the content of the phone calls, but the fact this number called that number and spoke for x number of minutes . Well i look, i think weve stopped a lot of terrorist plots. People always ask me the question why havent we been hit again . The answer is, weve been able to stop a lot. Weve been lucky, but weve also done a very good job stopping these threats coming into the United States or stopping them when they are in the United States. Certainly the program has helped, but i think as long as we can get that information in real time through the private sector, i think that debate between privacy and security, i think we can forage i think the right balance between the two. I will say just in fact say, chris, come back to the homegrown violent extremism, this administration i dont believe, has done enough. I think director comey is spot on when he talks about the threat inside the United States. Yet this administration, its budget allocates zero dollars towards combating homegrown violent extremism. In fact, within the department of Homeland Security more money, in fact millions of dollars, are dedicated to Climate Change rather than combating what i consider to be one of the biggest threats to the homeland, and thats the violent extremists radicalizing islamist terrorists radicalizing over the internet in the United States of america. Finally you said and we can see from the beautiful picture behind you youre in france where in the wake of that savage attack on the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, the lower house of the French Parliament this week passed legislation that would allow intelligence agencies to tap phones and read emails without even going to a judge, far more expansive than anything we have here in the United States. And it seems interesting that at a time when there are a lot of people in this country talking about Less Government surveillance, they who are more on the firing line than we are, literally, seem to be going in the direction of more government surveillance. Well, i think, you know paris experienced their own 9 11 with the Charlie Hebdo case. So youre seeing the Jewish Museum in paris, the Charlie Hebdo case, youre seeing a shift more towards security. The big security gap weve discovered in our delegation over here in traveling to the middle east and now here are the 40 Million People going through istanbul and turkey, the lack of screening of individuals leaving turkey to europe. And then, chris the lack of ability to screen european citizens past a watch list similar to what we have or a nofly list. This opens europe wide open to foreign fighters who can travel from the middle east, particularly through turkey which is the jihadist super highway, into western europe. So what were trying to do is meet with these officials to see, how can we close these security gaps so we can keep these foreign fighters both out of europe and also the United States . Chairman mccall, thank you. Thank you for joining us today. Its always good to talk with you, sir. Thank you, chris. Thanks for having me. We wanted to ask Homeland Security secretary jeh johnson about the security threat, they declined to make him available to fox viewers. The white house has made a number of guests available to other networks this year while excluding us and you. We did get to interview chief of staff Dennis Mcdonagh and secretary johnson once this year but only when they appeared on all five networks. When we come back, what would you like to ask the panel about the Terror Threat and the new court ruling on government surveillance . Just go to facebook or twitter foxnewssunday and we may use your question on the air. Now you can connect with Fox News Sunday on facebook and twitter. Check out exclusive information on facebook and share it with other fox fans and tweet us us foxnewssunday. Be part of the the discussion and weigh in in the discussion every Fox News Sunday. I would as president immediately stop the bulk collection of records. I think its unconstitutional. I hope im wrong but one day there will be an attack thats successful. The first question out of everyones mouth is, why didnt we know about it . The answer better not be because this congress failed to authorize a promise that would have helped us know about it. Two republican senators and president ial candidates rand paul and marco rubio, sharply disagreeing over the nsas Bulk Collection Program is illegal court ruling. We got a lot of briefings here in washington. As i mentioned with chairman mccaul, i thought the briefing this week from jim comb y the fbi director, was about as alarming as everything ive heard recently. Hundreds maybe thousands of homegrown terrorists all around the country being sent to encrypted websites the fbi cant penetrate. In response to isis. Pretty scary. Think about this chris, one of the premises of the administrations approach to isis has been that they dont really pose a threat to the u. S. Homeland. And remember back in the early days of the bush administrations efforts post9 11, the idea is we would send forces and do whatever else it took so we could fight them over here instead of having to fight them here. Well, now this changes that. This changes that equation back to where it once was. If we have a spate of terrorists, successful terrorist attacks by homegrown terrorists inspired by isis, i think the administrations strategy on this goes out the window. Rand pauls comments, i think, will damage him and were back to a whole different way of looking at this terrorist threat. Thats where this we have to fight them here as well as over there. Maybe we have to take them out over there so theyre not inspired here through remote remotecontrolled social media. Cease sa you can see in the very different reactions from rand paul and marco rubio this is going to be a big issue in the president ial campaign, isnt it . Its certainly something that will be aired out in the series of debates in the republican primary over the next couple of months. I think the party has swung. There was a period where the energy in the Republican Party might have been on the antiinterventionist side. Now it definitely feels its a competition for who can be tougher on issues of National Security and Foreign Policy. Thats something we saw this weekend in south carolina. I wouldnt be surprised if we see republican candidates be linked to the economic anxiety when people dont feel confident in their financial situation with this growing up unrest and uncomfortableness of National Security and the idea that these homegrown terrorists and all this lone wolf is freaking people out. We asked you for questions from the panel and we got this debate sharply different reactions on facebook. John ferguson writes, i say let the nsa do their jobs. And if that means listening to my phone conversations, so be it. If you have done nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about. Jack sent this there should be no bulk data collection. The law should be passed that requires the nsa to go to a judge to get permission to target specific individuals. Michael, how do you answer jack and john on that . The truth is right in between those two and congress will debate those over the next week and month. Its a much broader context and brit hit the nail on the head. The Heritage Foundation has been tracking terror plots against the United States since 9 11. There have been 68. This year alone its been six. Its the failed policy of president obama, the weakness we project abroad. Brit is exactly right, we need to destroy al qaeda, destroy isis abroad so theyre not attractive to people here. Thats been the Foreign Policy thats been reversed in the last couple of years. On the question of bulk data collections, the nsa program, do you favor that . Not favor it . Do you think it needs to be handled by the government . Do you think there need to be restrictions so the records are kept by because this is going to be a big debate in congress over the next couple of weeks because section 215 of the patriot act is up for renewal should the records be held by Telephone Companies . Its a tough question to answer because of the overclassification of data in our federal government. Those of us who dont have security clearances dont know the answer to the question, i know for a fact i want the fbi to have the information to call the Police Department in texas and say, theres something that might happen at an event youre holding, keep a lookout for this guy. I dont have the information. Somebody without a top secret clearance to find out exactly how important these programs are. I think we have to look at how do we as citizens of a republic have a debate about security and privacy in these areas where its very difficult to get access to information. Chuck, youre a court watcher. Were you surprised by the Appeals Court ruling that the nsa program is illegal . And where do you see this issue headed in the courts and in congress . Well, i wasnt particularly surprised by the ruling at all because i think its long been thought by including some of the authors, Jim Sensenbrenner on the house side, of the patriot act that the nsa, authorized by the secret fisa court, was exceeding the Statutory AuthorityCongress Gave them under the patriot act by collect bulk data. All the court was doing was ratifying some of the bills own authors. What the effect was is to isolate Mitch Mcconnell explain thats how that is. Mcconnell thought by reauthorizing the thing clean it would, in effect, incorporate the fisa courts more permissive decision. Keep the program as it is. As it is. This ruling now means that if you reenacted it clean it creates a conflict between a Court Decision and the fisa courts, and it would, in effect, undermine a clean reauthorization. Now hes in a bit of a dilemma. People i talk to on the hill think there will be shortterm reauthorization. This is fully teed up. It has to come to a head. Somebody they have to make a decision. There is this freedom act bill that i think, in my judgment, cuts a good compromise which is the prior authorization to check the bulk data thats collected by the Telecommunication Companies and is not held by the nsa itself. And i think thats where the consensus is moving, which i think what mike mccaul was telling you earlier on the show. Mccaul seemed to suggest as a practical matter you could get at this data and do these analyses just as well with the data being held by the telcom companies. Im not sure thats true. If it turns out not to be true, this would make the whole process more awkward and less effective. Note the content of the viewers question. They can listen to my phone calls all they want, he said. Theres no evidence thats whats happening. This is all about these giant reams of phone numbers reflecting phone calls. They are searching them with computers to see if they find a match that suggests some terrorist connection. Hold on for a second. What theyre finding out is my number called your number and we spoke for ten minutes but nothing about what the content of the phone call. Right . All im saying is thats probably been a useful tool for the nsa. I dont want anybody listening in on my phone calls but if they want to search my phone records to see if ive been talking to terrorists thats perfectly fine with me. When everything is surveilled in that way, it really represents no particular threat. Here is whats changed. We talked about it before. We this amorphis movement by isis out there on the internet thats a completely different model of terrorism from al qaeda which was the controlled agent model where a plot was developed in the center and they directed agents out here in our country. So the faktic or intelligence method youre talking about are actually less effective when you dont have an actual connected obviously some other methods would have to be developed for fighting this kind of problem where social media is the means of communication, but that doesnt mean these other methods are useless. And, michael what is so interesting, and what i was talking about with chairman mccaul you see france, which obviously has had terrible attacks this year, especially the Charlie Hebdo magazine where i dont know how many people were killed and there the French Parliament the lower house just passed a much more sweeping, much more sweeping than anything we do where the intelligence agencies would be able to tap phones, listen to the content, read emails, read the content without even having to go to a judge. Thats exactly right. Terrorist attacks we saw that after 9 11. Its important for any of us who care about privacy and want that to be part of the equation, we have to figure this out now, not waiting for the attacks. The biggest piece of that puzzle is making sure isis is not attractive to people here at home, people in france, because weve taken the fight to them in the middle east. Weve embarrassed them by destroying them in the middle east where they are. Thank you, panel. See you next week. Up next our power player of the week honoring the greatest generation with an historic flyover down the national malmall. And my ride in a vintage world war iib24 bomber. Will be tough to find anything that tops what we saw on friday in the special preview we got. Heres our dwthpower player of the week. Reporter it was a stirring celebration of a great moment. A flyover over the National Mall of ve day. Victory was a collaborative effort, a triumph that the entire country could be proud of. Reporter earlier this week we went to manassas airport to see some of the 56 iconic planes and talk with pete bunce, who spent the last year making it happen. Were not able to drive tanks but we can fly over the world war ii memorial. Reporter they started a formation. We go from pearl harbor then the doolittle, guadalcanal with a victory over japan in iconic b29 bomber. Reporter do you expect this to be goose bump material . Absolutely. I want to be at the memorial because i want to see the faces of the world war ii vets. Reporter he gave us a tour in a b24 liberator. The longrange boerm as seen in the movie unbroken. A lot of ocean. A lot of ocean. Reporter from the cockpit they didnt have any hydraulic assistance so it took a lot of muscle to fly in formation particularly at high altitude. Reporter to the tail gunner. Can you imagine what it was like to see enemy fighters coming at you from behind . Reporter then it was time to fly. The b24, known as the flying boxcar, lumbered into the air. And pretty quickly you felt as if you were traveling in a time machine. Squeezing through its narrow passageways standing at the gunners window. You could only marvel at the crews that went on 12hour missions to fight off the enemy and drop their bombs. The allies won control of the skies and the air assaults were devastating. Reporter and thats the way it played out friday. The historic planes flew down the National Mall, telling their story of how the war was fought and won. At the world war ii memorial, veterans, most now in their 90s looked skyward and remembered and everyone understood why that generation is called the greatest. Bunce says he hopes to organize more flyovers in the future to honor the troops who flew in korea and vietnam. Thats it for today. For all you moms, especially mine, have a wonderful mothers day and well see you next Fox News Sunday. Discover the champion in you . applause well, god bless you. Its always a joy to come into your homes. If youre ever in our area please stop by and be a part of one of our services. I promise you well make you feel right at home. Thanks so much for tuning in and thank you again for coming out. I like to start with something funny. I heard about this young lady. She came home from a date very sad and she told her mother that her boyfriend just proposed to her. Her mother said, well why are you so sad . She said, because he told me hes an atheist. Mom he doesnt even believe that theres a hell. Her mother said marry him anyway. Between the two of us well prove to him how wrong he is. applause