Determined to make sure that every element of his National Security strategy is thought through. Our sunday panel weighs in. Then, with the traditional start of a Fall Campaign this labor day weekend, weill republicans win back the senate . Well handicap this novembers hottest races with two top pollsters, Bill Mcinturff and mark mellman, and our power players of the week. The guys making those please dont touch signs at the smithsonian a thing of the past, all right now on Fox News Sunday. And hello again from fox news in washington. President obama heads to europe this week for a nato summit where he hopes to develop a strategy he admits he does not yet have for attacking isis in syria. Today, were going to look at the terror group and what we can do about it in depth. Well talk with a top expert on isis and the chair of the House Intelligence Committee. But first, fox news National Security correspondent Jennifer Griffin has the latest. Chris, the u. S. Military opened a new front its in effort to help the Iraqi Military combat isis. U. S. Ware warplanes had two air strikes over baghdad. Senior defense officials tell me the operation will be limited in scope. They approved the operation late in the week. They carried out three air strikes against isis targets and used c17 and c130 transport plains to drop humanitarian relief. The town of amarly is 100 miles north of baghdad. For the first time, british, french, and australian aircraft joined the u. S. As the iraqi army began an operation to take back the town. They showed nearly 15,000 residents of the town amid fear that isis would kill them, the tone was echoed used by David Cameron. Terrorism as this time is an evil force that should be combatted with force and speed. Is the pentagon on the same page as the white house in terms of the threat posed by isis . Yes, next question. That was dod spokesman john kirby. The pentagon has been drawing up options for the president for weeks. Plans that include attacking isis supply lines in syria where drones began flying for the first time this week. Gathering intelligence and mapping possible isis targets. Until now, the president had not authorized the air force to fly unmanned drones over syria. Jennifer, thanks for that. Joining us now at the map, the Research Director at the institute for the study of war and former u. S. Army Intelligence Officer jessica lewis, whos an expert on isis. Jessica, you and i have talked about this before. Explain how bureaucratic the structure of isis is, how it almost has a corporate structure. Yeah, so we were particularly able to tell earlier this summer when isis released its Second Annual report that isis does have the ability to document the attacks that are conducted by all of its local military organizations throughout its depths as depicted by this map with the isis controlled and operational areas designated in red, that controlling that campaign requires such a bureaucracy and being able to affect the campaigns in iraq and syria in a synergistic way really does indicate the organization has that kind of bureaucracy at its disposal. Is also is for a terror group, especially, very sophisticated in its use of videos and social media, primarily to try to recruit new fighters. Yes, i would say one of the more developed organizations within isis is its Public Relations arm, that they have been able to leverage social media, as you mentioned, also to be able to build a campaign of print media in many languages, especially in english, which means theyre messaging the western world. All right, we have you at the map. Given this corporate structure, the fact is has leadership and deputies and regional leaders, what challenges and what opportunities would that present to the u. S. Were we to go ahead on air strikes on both sides of the iraq syria border . I think the talments that is primary is there are many different regional campaigns isis is conducting and its able to synchronize them. In northern iraq, isis is operating in a way where it can balance back and forth with how theyre operating in northern syria. If something starts to work against them in northern iraq, they can surge in eastern iraq or in northeastern syria. We have seen them do this over the course of the last few weeks. One of the challenges is affecting isis throughout its depths at such a time that it actually disrupted their Campaign Planning and their flexibility. One of the opportunities we also have, as you mentioned, is to affect isis on both sides of the iraq syria border. It could potentially be an assumption of isis going in that the United States and International Community is more likely to become engaged in iraq than in syria and if that planning assumption were to fail, if they were to face air strikes also in syria, that presents a significant opportunity. Now, as it moves back and forth between this basically nonexistent border between iraq and syria, were we to strike on one side or another, would targets become open, would supply lines become open for us to hit . I believe so, yes. Some of the most critical supply lines for isis cross the desert, but because they have control of the roads, theyre most likely adhering to them. Its likely isis with its bureaucracy has repeatable processes and the more rupetitive processes, the easier it is to target it effectively. There is military training significant to isis. Theyre taking over bases and that presents potential targets then. We have less than a minute left. We hear a lot about the leader of isis who has almost formed a cult of personality around himself. How hard would he be to track down and how essential is he to isis . In other words, were we to hit him, would that kill isis or would Somebody Just replace him . I think he is very significant to this group. He is the personifieies calf leading this caliphate. As we look at this bureaucracy and see its a very functional institution, i would say the commanders especially are the most critical targets to disrupt thement. Jessica, thank you very much. Now lets bring in the chair of the House Intelligence Committee, mike rogers. Chairman rogers, welcome back to Fox News Sunday. Thank you for having me. I want to start with what president obama and his team have been saying this week. Here it is. I dont want to put the cart before the horse. We dont have a strategy yet. The president hasnt yet laid out a specific plan for military action in syria. And the reason for that is simply that the pentagon is still developing that plan. Hes still reviewing them. Congressman, what do you think of the president saying that he doesnt have a strategy yet and then his spokesman, josh earnest, basically, putting it all on the pentagon. Unfortunately, we find it consistent with his past policy and action on Foreign Policy. It exemplifies his Foreign Policy is in freefall. You look at china, isis, russia, iran, north korea, we have a serious host of problems presenting itself, and our traditional allies are now standing up and saying maybe america is not the best ones to lead us through the troubles. That is an issue were going to have to deal with. Do you believe josh earnest when he says were still waiting on the pentagon to give us options . No, i dont. As a matter of fact, the options have been presenting. Over the last year, we had our arab League Partners show up and say help us dool with this. They werent asking for troops. They were asking for intelligence, coordination, leading the effort in which folks to vet to give money in syria and some guidance in the region. The president rejected that. That was his decision, and we watched it progressively get worse, in so our arab League Partners decided were going to have to do this on our own. It was uncoordinated, not through the best intelligence, and it helped in an odd way the very people were going to have to face today. There have been plans on the table. The president just did not want to get engaged in any way. That is sadecision, that is a policy, that is a strategy, and its not working. All right, but the president is meeting with the nato allies this week in Great Britain at a summit. Hes going to try to get them on board for military cooperation. Secretary hagel, secretary kerry are going to the middle east this week after the nato summit to try to get some of our regional allies in the arab world either to help us with the iraqi army or to help the syrian rebels. Whats wrong with that, with taking some time, getting your ducks in a row . The problem is the clock didnt start with the beheading of american journalists. That was just a symptom of what was a long and growing problem for the United States. So its not wrong. Its just very, very late in the game. And it presents fewer options. So three years ago, we had really good options in syria and how to stop their pooling in the east and going into iraq. Two years ago, we had better options, not great options. Today, our options are far more limited. Far more dangerous, and will call for far more engagement, and were spending a lot of time talking about what we wont do. The president talks about what he wont do. Hes having a hard time putting the coalition to talk about what they will do. Youre not going to humanitarian aid isis out of iraq. Its going to take more than that. I want to talk about the serious threat, the foreign fighters in iraq, in syria, fiethding for isis and potentially coming back and committing acts of terror here. Do you have a sense as the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee how many westerners are fighting with isis and do we know if any of them have come back either to western europe or the United States and if so, are we tracking them. Yes, we have a sense. The problem is there is no sure number. And for the Intelligence Community to say we have an exact number, they wont do that because we cant do that. So there is a bit of an unknown in how many of the fighters got there and came back . Are they tracking the ones we can identify . Yes, we are trying to do that. How Many Americans do we think are with isis . Its in the hundreds that have at least one time traveled, participated and trained with them. Some have drifted back, some have gone to europe. What we have seen and why we started to raise the alarm, me included, is you saw the brussels event, attack on the jewish museum. That was, we believe, an isilled or inspired event. That was the first time they had attacked, we believe, outside their borders. Again, europe has obviously stood up and said we have a huge problem. David cameron came out and said not only do we have a problem. Heres my plan to deal with it. The United States seems to be in this malaise of not being that concerned. I will tell you, im very concerned because we dont know every Single Person who has an american passport that has gone and trained and learned how to fight. And were not sure that the brits have a good handle on, they think its about 500 in britain. Theres several hundred in canada. What if one gets there and gets through . Now they have a passport that allows them free travel to the United States of america. So the chances of error here are greater than i think our ability to track every single error. How serious of a threat is that . Its a serious threat. A very serious threat. Heres the other problem. Isil would like to have a western style attack to continue this notion that they are the leading Jihadist Group in the world. Send your people, send your money. So does al qaeda. We havent even talked about al qaeda. Al qaeda, we know, is engaged in operational status to one degree or another for attacks in the west. We know that. Were tracking threats that are pretty serious. And so you have that threat stream and this threat stream, and we havent even covered the rest of the world. Thats why were so concerned. Let me ask you, you talked about british Prime Minister cameron, his rhetoric and his plan. The British Government is going to propose a measure tomorrow in the parliament that would make it easier to seize the passports of people believed to be isis sympathizers, fighters, so they could neither go to the area or come back. Is that something you would like to see in this country . We would have to be careful how we do it, not to restrict u. S. Citizen travel, but i think theres a way through great means of collecting evidence to slow down the individuals. You could also charge them when they come back with Material Support for terrorism. We have a law on the books, we should use it and be aggressive using it. You have a few of those prosecutions up front, people get less aggressive about traveling overseas. I want to turn to a very serious situation in ukraine, Russian Troops, Russian Military inside. They refuse to call it an invasion, and theyre also sending mixed messages. Take a look at this. Russia has to stop lying and has to stop fueling this conflict. The mask is coming off. In these acts, these recent a acts, we see russia actions for what they are. I consider the actions we have seen in the last week a continuation of whats been taking place for months now. Congressman rogers, simple question. Have the russians invaded ukraine . And best intelligence that youre getting, what is putins game here . Well, its hard to argue that Russian Troops with russian armor crossing the border into ukraine doesnt fit the definition of an invasion. I dont think theyre there on a sight seeing tour. They have escalated this because they were losing some ground in ukraine, and i believe putin made the calculation that he needed to up the game to at least continue to push back and allow his rebels, the little green men, as theyre called in ukraine, the opportunity to regroup and hold ground. Again, as odd as it sounds, its all related. If the world perceives the United States does not have a consistent Foreign Policy of saying what it means and meaning what it says, youre going to see more of this pressure. Thats why the chinese are engaging our pilots in a dangerous way in the international waters. Thats why isil is conducting the business it is. This is an opportunity for the president , chris, i think, to bring the country together so that we understand, look, this dont do stupid stuff policy isnt working. The fact that youre withdrawing from the world and saying its too hard for us to get engaged isnt working. Weve got less than a minute left. You talk about weve got to do something about putin. The European Union met yesterday and their declaration is were going to impose tighter sanctions, tougher sanctions, but were going to take another week to even come up with them. Let me ask you. What can, what should the u. S. And european allies do, and will anything be enough to stop putin . Oh, i believe so. So yes, sanctions are a good start. Again, u. S. Leadership with europe would have been very helpful. If you have your own european allies saying maybe the United States isnt a leader in this issue, thats a problem for us. Reestablish that leadership. The ukrainians much like our arab League Partners a year ago were asking for strategic help, intelligence packages, logistic training and arms. We ought to provide that, europe ought to provide that. If we dont do small and effective now, youre going to get very big and very ugly later. Now is the time to make the decision. Congressman rogers, thank you. Thank you for coming in. So, what will president obama do about isis in syria . Next up, our sunday group joins the conversation. Plus, what would you like to ask the panel . Go to facebook or twitte twitter foxnewssunday and we may use your questions on the air. What were facing in iraq with isil is a greater and deeper threat to our security than we have known before. British Prime MinisterDavid Cameron taking a firm stand against isis while raising the threat level in his country to seve severe. Its time now for our sunday group. Syndicating columnist george will. Julie pace who coffers the white house for the associated press. Michael heneedham, and charles lane of the washington post. Julie, whats going on here . Is the president , as josh earnest suggested on friday, waiting on the pentagon for options, or is this another case as we have seen before where the president is pushing back against his top advisers and all their talk about military action . I think this idea that hes waiting for the pentagon to present him with options is not quite the right way to put this. The pentagon has a lot of options. They have been working on options. The president has seen some of these options. He hasnt decided where hes going to go on this yet. In isolation, the comments we saw from the president this week are not completely surprising. He is someone who tends to be cautious, matakes him time on making Foreign Policy decisions, but when you compare that with what we have heard, his own military advisers and advisers in the white house who have been talking in a forward leaning way, thats who i think people were surprised. How do you explain that . Was he digging in his heels around everyone around him . I think so. He said even though you have heard from the pentagon, from piece in the white house were going to be aggressive on this, im the president of the United States, i havent made a decision yet, and im going to take my time and do it on my timeline. We ask eed you for questions from the panel and we got this one from twitter. Obama has options from dod, department of defense, but not the one he wants. Is he insisting on a minimalist plan from do, do, quote, cover himself. George, you share that skepticism . Yes, i mean, caution, which is what hes being criticized for, is a nice defect to have. On the other hand, the rhetoric has not been cautious. He talked about the need to destroy isis. That means liberate large cities that have been taken, which you cant do with f16s and f18s. I think what the president is trying to do, and i sympathize with this, is to get the neighborhood to rally. Look whats in the neighborhood. Saudi arabia has 250 highly competent aircraft and a system to control it. You have iran and iraq, our enemies of isis, so is syria, jordan, and the kurds who are, for all intents and purposes, a nation right now. You have six nations in the neighborhood. If they cant do it, we shouldnt. I want to pick up on that because it was something i discussed with chairman rogers, chuck. Thats the fact the president is going to be meeting with the nato allies this week. Hes sending hagel and kerry to meet with a lot of our allies, in quotes, in the middle east. Is he being deliberate or is he being weak . Hes being himself. This is this is the way he approaches pretty much everything. And its not an accident because he got elected president by being the democrat who was against the iraq war. If he stood for anything, it was get us out of iraq, get us out of ground involvement in the middle east and pivot to asia and so forth and so on. Here, isis has 31thurs him into situation where he cant get out of it without being in the middle east and without being on the ground. Heck, we already have special forces on the ground. A lot of his hesitation could trace back to that, he simply doesnt want to face the fact that history or feate has thrus him into a situation where he cant have the presidency he planned to have. There are dangers to that. Theres a new poll out this week. Lets put it up on the screen. 54 say obama is not 54 of all americans say hes not tough enough in his approach to Foreign Policy and National Security. 36 say his approach is about right. Michael, does the public have it about right . Unfortunately, i think they do. And anyone who thought after the Bush Administration a Foreign Policy of weakness and disengagement is the way to go has seen that under the obama administration. Every year that goes by when you a Foreign Policy that doesnt have American Leadership in the world, the world gets a lot more dangerous. You have mixed signals coming out of the white house, not just in the last week. If you go back a year ago, secretary kerry giving the talks for our action in syria. President goes for a walk and changes his mind. I think the public, just like foreign leaders, are picking up on the mixed signals and dont think its the right path for us to be on. I guess the question and the surprise to me is this. We at fox news, i anchored a documentary in june, and certainly way after the fact, but after the taking of mosul, about the threat from isis. Why are we about to go into s t september and all this Coalition Building that could have been done in the last six months theyre talking about doing it in real time while the world is watching . I think thats the criticism about the line of not having a strategy yet. Obviously for a lot of americans, isis is something theyre just learning about. James foleys horrific death has really pushed this to the forefront, but inside the administration, this is snot new. The idea that you dont have a strategy yet to deal with isis in syria is not because this just popped up when james foley was murdered. This is salonger term problem and a lot of people wonder why dont you have a strategy if this is something you have been warned about by your own advisers for months . I want to put on the screen. It was exactly one year ago today, as michael mentioned, that barack obama went into the rose garden, his secretary of state had talked the week before or the day before, rather, about the tremendous threat from syria. He was going to enforce the red line. Everybody thought he was going to declare air strikes and he said, you know what, no, were going to go to congress. As we know, congress ran for the hills and he ended up jumping on a russian plan which ended up getting rid of assads arsenal of chemical weapons. The question i guess i have is where do you see this turning out . Do you think in the end hes going to maybe kicking and screaming, be dragged into leading a coalition to go after isis in syria . I think its an open question right now, but if the president does make a decision to go into syria militarily, it will be with a coalition. I dont think youll see a situation where he goes in necessarily on his own. That wouldnt be the worst thing, would it . Were talking about 10,000 people and theyre ruthless and telogenic, but we know where the they are and theyre in heavily arms adversaries, let them have at them. That would be a good theory, george. The problem is the adversaries have already been grounded. Remember the iraqi army who we had trained and spent billions and billions and billions to stand up, they melted like, you know, a late spring snow when isis showed up. And so i think, you know, the idea, its true. We have to have everybody onboard politically and so forin that neighborhood, but the idea it could be done militarily without the u. S. Playing a heavy role, i dont think is going to fly. The people of the nairbd wont act nlsh they think were going to be out in front. Panel, well see you a little later. What deyou think about the isis threat and how should the u. S. Deal with it . Join the conversation on facebook with other fns viewers. Up next, labor day is the start of the traditional Fall Campaign. Two pollsters join us to break down republican chances to win back the senate. Mon and energy. But the energy bp produces up here mon and energy. Creates Something Else as well jobs all over america. Engineering and innovation jobs. Advanced Safety Systems technology. 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Generally considered safe republican pickups. Any doubt about those going republican . Short kwr, no. West virginia, republicans. 17 points ahead. The democratic candidate dropped out in maunlt moontana, and sou we have a governor running. If they pick up those three, then they have to pick up three more. There are six more democratic states, many of them democratic seats, many of them in red states that the gop is targeting. Louisiana with mary landrieu. Arkansas with senator mark pryor. North carolina with kay hagan. Further west, an open seat in iowa, incumbent mark udall in colorado, and mark begich in alaska. Youre polling for landrieu, udall, and begich. How confident are you for the incumbents holding on in those states . I think theyre going to hold on to them. All six of them . Yes. We have deep roots in the stase, lack luster republican opponents, and the republican brand is in tatters in those states and across the country. The democrats with the deep routes, done a lot for their states the real clear republican averages, theyre leading in those states, in some, the democratic incumbent is leading, but by a narrow margin. Bill, your read . In louisiana, i think shes an impressive political figure, but in louisiana, north carolina, georgia, the president s job Approval Rating is 20 among white voters. I work in alaska, mark. Its its own world. It operates very differently than the rest of the country, and colorado is the perennial up for grabs seat. But i believe that the democrats are at this point going to lose the senate primarily because theyre trying to send too many seats in the south to believe thats going to come together for them on election day. We should point out, again, what the republicans need is a net pickup of six seats. Which means if they lose one of their seats, they would need seven democratic seats to go to the republicans. In fact, there are two republican seats that are generally considered pretty vulnerable. Lets put those on the screen. Georgia is an open seat the republicans are trying to defend, and then youve got kentucky. In kentucky, Mitch Mcconnell is running against Alison Lundergan grimes. And let me ask you, mark, because youre polling for Alison Lundergan grimes, are you going to knock off the republican leader . I think so. Mitch mcconnell is a symbol of everything that is wrong with washington. Hes somebody Whose Campaign manager resigned midscandal on friday. This is somebody who is not well liked by his constituents in kentucky and is a symbol of everything that is wrong with washington. That race is on its own dynamic and i think alison is going to prevail. Bill, your thoughts . This would be pretty interesting because Mitch Mcconnell has wanted for his whole career to be the Senate Majority leader, the running of the senate. There is a possibility here that the republicans could take over but he could lose. First, lets go to georgia real quickly. Thats what im saying. Its been a long time in washington since we have talked about Michelle Nutt trying to win in the deep south as a firsttime candidate. Kentucky is this really compelling battle if youre a political junky between the horses that mark is talking about versus again a deeply antiobama state. What i believe is this is a one or twopoint race. What i say good humoredly, theres a lot of science to what mark and i do, but when you get down to bridge a point or two, its tough. Its close. Senator mcconnell is there because he survived every year since 1994. I think the tilt goes to senator mcconnell. Lets talk about general questions now. We have seen big wave elections where dozens of seats, talking about the house, not the senate, has swung from one party to the other. In 2006, in 2008, in 2010, but there doesnt seem to be much of a wave this time. Lets put this up on the screen. In 2010 at this particular point in midaugust, republicans led democrats by seven points in the generic Congression Al poll, wh would you like representing you . Republicans won by seven points, they went on to huge victory in the november election. Now, democrats lead republicans by one point or four points. Bill, what happened to the wave . Heres the important point. You dont need a wave for republicans to pick up seats in the house. All you need is for a republican to hold republican seats to pick up the senate. Wave elections dont typically have a high turnout. Theres normally a break to one party. Were not seeing that yet. I think theres a lot of things that the wave, quote wave, is not there, but its very important to say, guess what, republicans pick up seats in the house and i believe the Senate Without a wave, and i think thats the key to the cycle. Last very quick point is money. Mark and i have been doing this a long time. Theres never been 100 Million Campaign in kentucky. The scope of which money is being spent means there will be a national zeitgeist, but in the states, there is so much money, we may see things we have never seen. Im going to ask you about immigration. For weeks, the president and the white house have been talking about the possibility he would take major executive action to delay deportations for millions of illegal immigrants. Take a look at what he said this week . It toicontinues to be my bel if i cant see congressional action, i need to do at least what i can in order to make the system work better. But now we learned just yesterday the white house is seriously considering putting off any executive action on immigration until after the midterms. Question, mark. Theres been a lot of reporting that redstate democrats did not want the president to delay deportations for millions of illegals. As a pollster in a bunch of those red states, would the idea of executive action be good or bad for the candidates . I dont think its a positive. Executive action would not be a positive for the candidates, but the reality is theres much more at stake here. The Senate Passed an immigration bill. Mitch mcconnell didnt join the rest of the republicans voting for it. House has refused to take it up. Theres a need to do something, but the Senate Republicans said if you take executive action, were not going to agree to a comprehensive bill. Its a matter of politics. If youre going to do it, you would rather have it after the politics rarlth than before . I would, but i do politics, not policy. Bill, is it smart politics for the president to put this off until after the midterm . You said two in four things. The jumgeneric vote, and the democrats have put themselves in a position seat by seat to be competitive. Were sitting here with a question about whether it goes republican or democrat. What you dont want is the unpredictable. They have fought hard to get to where they are with their states. They dont want to implode their own campaign with an unpredictable national event. I have less than a minute left. A quick answer, yes or no and a sentence, is barack obama at this point a plus or minus for senate candidates. The reality is in every midterm, the president s party has lost seats in the house. Probably not going to be an exception this year. The president is a major problem for the democrats, especially when the territory they have to defend to win the senate. Bill, mark, thank you both so much for coming in today. Well stay on top of this right to election day. Thank you, please come back. Up next, we invite the panel back and give them a shot at handicapping some of this novembers hottest races. Tweet us at fox Fox News Sunday using fns. Be part of the discussion and weigh in every Fox News Sunday. Hiiiii. Hi. Sorry, were closed. What . 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A lot of reporting over the weekend, do they seem to be changing their mind about executive action, and maybe putting it off, executive action on delaying deportation for millions of alleillegals, put if until after the midterms. Theyre certainly worried broadly. The prospect of finishing out obamas presidency with a republican led house and senate is unappealing. I think mark mellman summed it up and he said taking action before the midterms would not be good for democrats. They have been saying this is not something they want and you get the sense the white house is coming around to the notion that they through the executive action could put the democrats chances into holding the senate into more jeopardy than it is. One reason the white house was reportedly considering executive action was to try to gode republicans into a fury in which they would refuse the pass a continuing resolution, put the government into another shutdown, and thereby block what the administration was going to do on immigration and obviously have a voter backlash, they hoped. Michael, your group, heritage action, has said that if the president went ahead with unilateral action to delay deportation for millions of immigrants, shutting down the government would be a reasonable response. Really . The people talking about a Government Shutdown are the democrats. Your organization talked about it, too. The question youre getting at are what pools do they have to represent themselves against an executive who has no respect for the separation of powers that have worked for our country for the last 200 years. Could you imagine if mitt romney won and he said were not going to enforce the Capital Gains tax this year because we dont have the resources. Everybody would be rightfully infuriated. Nancy pelosi would be taking action against it, and thats what you have going on. No one is calling for a Government Shutdown except for president obama. His policy has been terrible for the country. George, would a Government Shutdown, another one, particularly after the experience of last fall, would it be suicidal . I was thinking this might be a classic case of grabbing defeat out of the jaws of victory. It would be almost suicidal and i think everyone recognizes that. They recognize the disaster of last octobers shutdown enabled them to be rescued only by the bad rollout of obamacare, and they dont want to do that again. The stark fact is every democrat running for the senate has to run 10, 12, 13, 14, sometimes more points ahead of the president s job approval rate in the states. The question now is, how much of any politics is local anymore . Now it becomes a referendum on the president , among issues like Foreign Policy and immigration. But there arent local in readings. North carolina, the question is what the republicans have done in the State Government that is unpopular with some people. In arkansas, the republican candidate voted against the farm bill in an agricultural state. In kansas, theres a third party person, an independent running that scrambled us. Theres lots of local variables, but the primary driver of this is the president s job approval. The problem the Republican Party has, too many people are sitting around, waiting for a wave to take them across the election. If you want a wave, you have to paddle. I think the Republican Party over the next few months can do great things to show theyre a party in favor of opportunity. The export import bank, which the president has called a fund for corporate welfare, comes up for reauthorization. The Republican Party should stand strong and say if you give us control, well make sure its all americans that are taken care of and not lobbyist the president of the United States plays golf with. You cant do that by keeping your head down, for not standing for something. We need this wave election and i think well deliver 52, 53, 54 seats if you fight and try to catch the wave. Chuck, traditionally, the sixth year of a twoterm president , and thats what were in here now for president obama, is tough for the party of the president. The party that holds the white house. How do you read this election and the chances for republicans to take back the senate for the first time . I didnt realize, since 2006. I think if youre a betting man, you would still bet on a republican win, maybe 51, possibly 52 seats, but on the other hand, if i were a republican, i would be worried they arent pulling away in more of these red states. Kay hagan is hanging in there in north carolina. The polls show that mark pryor is slightly ahead, i think, of tom cotton in arkansas. Mark begich out there in alaska no one can poll alaska. There just arent enough people and pollsters to meet up the preceding comments are on chuck lane. Its hard to get good data on alaska, but mark begich seems to be hanging in there. After a certain point, you say, gee, at what point do the republicans put this away . It hasnt happened so far, and the immigration thing was going to be sort of a trap for them to get them to overreact and either try to impeach the president or shut down the government or Something Like that to rile up the Democratic Base and get them to turn out. I think one reason the president may be delaying his decision on that is that the republicans have done one wise thing which is not really to fall into the trap or not announce theyre going to fall into that trap so far. Julie, what is the president s strategy between now and election day . Whats he going to do, apparently not immigration. Where is he going to go, and what is he not going to do and where is he not going to go . What hes not going to do and where hes not going to go is more important. Democrats described as a do no harm strategy. Dont do stupid stuff. Right, a couple places he can go, but mostly in states where you have clusters of house races, illinois, california, new york. States where hes won in president ial elections that have gubernatorial races, but hes not going to go to arkansas, north carolina, alaska, certainly. The one caveat to that, though, is if we get to the week or two before the election and democrats feel like sending the president into one of these states, louisiana is another one, and his presence could mobilize young people, africanamerican voters, there is a chance you could see him going there. There are other ways they could affect the voting population. Thats really the only possibility. Georgia, if you look at it historically, the president s popularity rating is one of the best indices in whether its above or below 50 or whether the other Party Makes Gains and how big the gains are. This prefrsidents approval ratg is about 40 . In the states where the tough races are, its even lower, which makes it harder to go in there. I was astauonished Bill Mcinturff said 20 of the white men in those states, anything the president can do in states like that . No, there are very few undecided voters in the country on barack obama after six years. Watch colorado. Its the quintessential purple state and the only state where immigration, if the president did this before the election, might help. Thank you, panel. See you next week. This conversation about the election to be continued for the next 65 days. Up next, our power player of the week, bringing the smithsonian not just into your home but into your hands. Its bedtime your mattress is a battleground of thwarted desire. 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Adam metallo and vincent r a rossi are called laser cowboys. They capture some of the collections 137 million objects and put them online in 3d, allowingia to experience them enways you cant even in person. Take, for example, this mask of Abraham Lincoln. Im at the optimal distance to create a 3d scan. They take an arm scanner and paint a laser beam across the maps. This is all handheld. Here it is showing up. That is unbelievable. So you can see an object like this, like the Abraham Lincoln life mask would take maybe 15 or 20 minutes for you to scan. Now if you go to the smithsonian website, you can manipulate the object and see things you cant see in the museum. Youre able to manipulate this just with a regular mouse . Yep. I can actually pull up the two life masks that were taken of lincoln in office and while he was still alive, so on the left here, the one spinning, this was taken in the remaining months of the civil war, and this is a life mask that was taken just before the civil war. What you can really see is how much he had aged in those years. Exactly. They started this Program Three years ago and so far have put 21 objects online. The original Wright Brothers flyer, an intricately carved limestone buddha. Its impossible to make out the design in person, but online if we zoom in, this is what the stone looks like in real life. I can remove the color information and then pull out the areas of high curvature and now you can see everything thats happening. So much greater detail than you could if you were a foot away from it. And remember the lincoln mask . You can download the computer image and get an exact copy on a 3d printer in your home or classroom. Its almost a magical process where you can scan an object without touching it and then bring it back into the real world through 3d printer. Vincent was a sculptor. Adam, a painter. They used to create exhibits for the collection. Sort of on the side in nights and weekends, we started supporting Research Projects around the smithsonian. Scanning technologies and Software Developed with hollywood in mind or ct scanners developed for the medical industry, were trying to apply that to the museum world now. So far, the process is slow and labor intensive, but the laser cowboys have big plans. Perhaps were going to start introducing robots and Assembly Lines into the system. We want to move first to digitizing hundreds of objects at a time, and then we can start thinking about thousands of objects per year. Pretty cool. To experience smithsonian 3d, go to our home page at foxnewssunday. Com where we have a link. Thats it for today. Have a great labor day weekend. 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