Founding member of the House Freedom caucus, who said he doesnt think speaker lines proposal has the votes to pass. And we will ask our sunday panel about wikileaks exposure of spy secrets. To produce this material and lose control of it. Chris all right now on fox news sunday. And hello again from fox news in washington. Just over halfway through its first 100 days, President Trump faces a showdown over a key legislative initiative. The House Republican plan to repeal and replace obamacare is encountering stiff opposition from the right wing of the part party. In a few minutes we will talk with one of those opponents, congressman jim jordan of ohio, Founding Member of the House Freedom caucus. But first, the director of the White House NationalEconomic Council and a lot of the president s top advisors, gary cohn and his first sunday interview. The Congressional Budget Office will report this week. Its assessment of the repeal and replace plan and there are other groups that will save that between six and 15 Million People will lose coverage under the Obamacare Repeal and replace plan. Will the president support a bill that throws millions of americans off insurance . Gary you have to remember where we are. We came into office with an Insurance Plan but doesnt work. Obamacare just is not working. In the last year alone, premiums are up 25 . In onethird of the counties in this country, we have only one insurance provider. American citizens dont have a choice. We have no choice but to make the plan better for all americans out there. We will get a score next week. They will do what they need to do, we will see what the scores, in the past the score has been meaningless. Will be insured that are actually insured. When we get the score we will deal with that. Chris to repeat my question, while the president support a plan, if he tell mike if they say that millions of people will lose their Health Insurance coverage, while the president continues to support that plan . Gary its not just about coverage, its about access to care, access to be able to see her doctors. The numbers of whos covered and who is not covered, thats interesting, and i know that may make some headlines, but what we care about is people being able to get health care and being able to see their doctor. Thats what we care about and thats what we are driving for. Chris gary, coverage is really important if you lose it. If this is not what the president promised during the campaign. Take a look. Everybody has to be covered. A lot of times they say no, the lower 25 can afford to buy it. I am going to take care of everybody. I dont care if it cost me votes everyone will be much better taken care of than they are now. Chris President Trump said everybody has to be covered. Not just thats an interesting number. Gary we are offering coverage to everyone. If you are on medicaid today, you will stay on medicaid. If you are covered on an employeesponsored plan, you will be continued to be covered by that. Its that middle group, we will provide tax credit so you can go out and buy a plan. And buy a plan that you want, not a plan that washington is saying you should buy. Chris i guess the question is this 20 Million People gained coverage, have Health Insurance coverage that didnt have it before obamacare. If are some of them going to lose coverage because one, you will end over a period of years, and two the tax credits will not buy as much as the subsidies did coverage. Gary we dont think so. If you are on medicaid, you will stay on medicaid. Chris expanding medicaid. Gary if you are on medicaid, you will stay. The expansion is not going to change. Theres a roll off period. If you are going to the exchanges today, we will keep you tax credits to allow you to buy insurance with tax credits and if you are more than half of the americans today, 175 million plus americans are getting there Health Insurance by employeesponsored copper plans. If we think that everybody should have coverage, we are providing access to coverage. Chris the most conservative House Republicans are demanding a couple of changes to the plan you are now supporting. I want to ask you about those. First, and the expansion of medicaid next year, not in and two, and insurance mandates that require some benefits, a wide range of benefits including maternity care. If will the president negotiate with the hardline conservatives on those are really standby the socalled brian bill, the repeal and replace build that is now before congress as sean spicer said he was. Gary i think the president is very open and transparent on the issue that hes been willing to accept improvements on the bill. We got out of our way to say this, anything that makes the bill better for america, we are willing to accept. Weve met with many groups over the last week and a half. We talked with many different groups as we possibly could. We are more than happy to accept improvements. The president wants to implement many of these improvements. Hes very concerned that we have as many products out there for consumers. He wants to have the ability for Insurance Companies to sell across state lines. He is insisting. Chris you think that ending the expansion of medicaid next year, rather than a slower rollout in 2020, do you think that improve the bill . Gary we are trying to give the governors the ability to control what goes on in the states. Many of them have done a very good job. A lot of them have done a very good job in their states. They are trying to work with the governors to give them more control of what theyre doing in their states. Chris how important is this bill to the president . How ardent will he fight for . Is he willing to go out to districts and pull out republicans by name who oppose it and does he do this, his first legislative initiative, is make or break for his presidency . Gary we are firmly committed to this bill and we will do whatever it takes to get it fast. He will travel, yes, he will go out to different congressional regions and he will be personally involved in getting job numbers on friday. I will put them up. 235 jobs created, unemployment down from 4. 8 to 4. 7 . Canada dismissed reports like that. Dont believe those phony numbers when you hear 4. 9 and 5 unemployment. The number is probably 28, 29, as high as 35. I even heard recently, 42 . Chris if thats true, why should we believe these numbers and the fact is, didnt you inherit an economy that has been for the last 18 months somewhere between 4. 6 and 5 unemployment . Gary the economy continues to grow and we are doing our part. We are doing more than our part to have it grow. Im sure youve noticed all of the ceos that have been in the white house recently and all the announcements that they have made, including exxon was in and talk about a tens of billions of investment while they were created 45 jobs in mexico. There were many other ceo announcements in the white house. All of them said to the president , we are creating these jobs because you, mr. President , and your policies. These jobs have not had the job market yet. These are jobs that will be coming over the remainder of this year and next year. We are very, very excited about the job outlook in this country. Chris let me ask about something that you are perhaps not so excited about, the Federal Reserve is almost certain to raise Interest Rates this week. Are you worried that if there is a series of rate hikes over this year and next year that will hinder Economic Growth . Gary the Federal Reserve is an independent agency. They operate as such. They have their economic data, which they look at, and they are Economic Growth with inflation, with the workforce. I think the Federal Reserve has been doing a good job in doing that, they will do what they need to do, and we respect the powers of the fed. Its our job at the white house at the present job, he is pushing with every day to continue to grow the economy, to create jobs and encourage manufacturing jobs and all jobs here in the United States and to remove any and all barriers to job creation. Chris another subject, the budget that the administration will release this week. If here are some key outlines we know about the budget. 54 billiondollar inquiries in defense spending, to be offset by equal cuts in domestic spending. If here are some of the reductions that the white house is considering. A24 cut in the Environment Protection agency, and 11 cut in airport security, a 37 cut on state department for foreign is that the trump vision for the country . Gary President Trump ran on a platform of protecting america, building our military and creating military superiority. Over the last two or three weeks, President Trump has had in all of the generals of the army, navy, the air force, the marines, and i have talked to him about our preparedness and our readiness. Its disappointing to hear what these general say we are. We have under invested in our military over the last eight years. Our military budget has been sought, subject to sequestering. Unfortunately, we have no alternative but to reinvest our military and make ourselves a military power once again. If you are doing that in an area where you have to balance the budget and you cannot create a further deficit, you have to make cuts. Its no different than any other family in america that has to make the tough decisions when they need to spend money from somewhere else. These are tough decisions, but the president has shown he is ready, willing, and able to make these tough decisions. If chris finally, and a couple of minutes we have left, i want to talk about you. If you are 1 of 6 former executives at Goldman Sachs was part of this administration, one of wall streets biggest burns. If the president promised to drain the swamp, but arent you part of whats been called the wall streetwashington revolving door . Gary i came to washington to make America Great again and help the president with his vision and his mission and thats what im doing. I come in every day, i roll up my sleeves, i work with the president , i work with the amazing staff at the president has put together in the white house, and thats exactly what were trying to do. I dont really have an opinion. Chris wait a minute. You were the president of Goldman Sachs, one of the was going after wall street, going after public corruption for seven years, you dont have an opinion on a public . Gary no, i dont. I was involved in wall street, running a bank. Im involved in washington right now. And big corporations to have division of labor and you have certain people that take care of certain obligations in certain parts of your business, and i was involved in in that part of our business. You cant do everything. You and i understand that. As a tough prosecutor, who was involved in public Corruption Cases and going after wall street, wasnt he draining the swamp . Gary as i said, i dont really have an opinion. That was not an area where i spent a lot of time. Chris we will leave it there. Gary, thank you so much, thank you for coming in, thanks for talking to us about the areas you are focusing on. Please cme gary thanks for having me. Chris one of the leaders of the conservative opposition for the house repeal and replace plan, congressman jim jordan. If what he says the president should do to keep his campaign promise. Youre here to buy a used car, truck, suv. Thats smart. 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If what did you create chaos for a lot of those people . Congressman jordan its the same thing we put on president obamas desk. Why not put that on President Trumps desk . We believe President Trump will sign it. Understand the speakers plan doesnt repeal obamacare. Called it obamacarelike, as you said earlier. It doesnt bring down premiums and doesnt unite republicans. Why not do what we all voted for just 15 months ago, clean repeal and then get focused and build some momentum to actually replace obamacare with something that chris i dont have to tell you, the problem is you can repeal obamacare under this plan with 51 votes because its part of budget reconciliation. Now if you going to replace, you will be doing that eating 60 votes. You will not get them. Congressman jordan the speakers plan is the same thing. I talked about things we have to do in phase three that you will need more votes for it. We want to put more in this first reconciliation bill, actually get after the Insurance Regulations that we think are driving up the cost for workingclass families and middleclass families, then lets do that. We can take that to the senate and maybe have a ruling with a parliamentarian there. We can do it that way as well. The key isnt much repeal obamacare, and not create some different form of obamacare. If you when i was going to ask you, one of the other things you are talking about towing. To do what . Actually repeal obamacare. The mandated coverages are in there. Those have to be dealt with if we are going to bring down the cost for workingclass families and middleclass families. If we can put that in this bill and get over there, we have a parliamentary ruling on it and i think we can win that is well and use that strategy to actually repeal and replace it with something with actually going to help. Chris if you blow up the senate walls and basically fate you can pass almost anything under reconciliation with 51 votes, then you arent ending the filibuster. You were saying a majority can do anything they want. If back in 2009, there was a simple majority, but not a filibusterproof majority of democrats who wanted universal health care and they couldnt do it because they couldnt get the 60 votes to do that. Thats one problem with it. If you blow up the walls, yes it will work for you now, but when the democrats come back in, and they will eventually, then they can do anything. The other thing, i dont mean to be harsh, i talked to some senators who say they dont want to congressman telling them how to run their chamber. Congressman jordan thats fine. If what i do know is we told the American People. We told them we were going to replace obamacare and bring on the cost of insurance. The situation doesnt do that. We didnt tell the American People we were going to repeal obamacare but keep some of the taxes in there. We didnt tell them we were going to repeal obamacare and take the Medicaid Expansion and extended. If we didnt tell them we were going to repeal obamacare and get rid of the mandate and bring back the 30 penalty in the bill. We didnt tell them they would have an insurance subsidy in the bill either. Lets do it they said, right now the thing we should unite us is what we all voted on before. Every republican 15 months ago voted for the clean repeal. Why is it okay to say it Campaign Time we will do this and then once you get an offense, with the change what we told the voters we were going to do. I dont think thats why they sent us here. Lets pass that and move on to the other things we have to do to fix this. Chris this will clearly be a negotiation between you and the house and the Senate Republicans and the white house and part of the problem is a different house members, different conservatives in your caucus have different wish lists, and the i have is, as the House Freedom caucus come down with a final wish list, what you can live with, and what you cant live with . Congressman jordan its first got to start here. If theres a reason why every single Major Conservative Group in the country as opposed to the speakers plan. Theres a reason why so many conservative Health Care Experts are opposed to the plan. Theres a reason why five conservative senators are opposed to the plan and theres a reason why conservatives in the house are also opposed. It doesnt solve the problem. Chris had to have a final wish list of things you cannot except in the plan . Congressman jordan we are working on that. If the president has been very clear that he wants negotiation. We are working on that. We will tuesday. We are looking at those issues that we think can make this bill consistent with what we told the American People we were going to do. Chris lets talk about a couple of the sticking points for you and other conservatives in the socalled paul ryan bill. At one of them is the refundable tax credit which you call a new entitlement, and a substitute for subsidies, but other conservatives and tom price, the secretary of health and Human Services say people who get their Health Insurance on the job get a tax break because that benefit is not taxed. This is just treating people who buy Health Insurance on the individual market the same way. Its a level playing field. Congressman jordan fair enough, and weve been fine with tax credits. Our concern is we want to give tax credits to people who actually have a tax liability. If you dont, its nothing more than a subsidy. What we really are focused on, we want to bring back affordable insurance, not for the government to buy some plan that the government approves, not to put more people on medicaid, but to actually have those workingclass families be able to shop for a plan, and affordable plan, that meets their families need. Thats a much better option than signing people up for a governmenttype program. If thats what we are focused on accomplishing. Chris let me ask you about another aspect of the repeal and replace plan. Medicaid expansion. The white house and paul ryan are talking about phasing that out, the expansion that has allowed millions, 11 Million People to get Health Insurance we didnt have it before obamacare. They are talking about phasing that out by 2020. You want to end it right away. Isnt that going to create chaos and throw millions of people off Health Insurance . Congressman jordan the plan we passed, every republican supported, theres a 2your effective date. We will repeal obamacare but there is still two years transition time. Everyone knows you need to transition time to bring back a marketplace. Again, i view success as bringing down the cost of insurance so families can get what they need. If thats what were doing. A 2your transition time for that. And again, remember what we told the voters, was that we will repeal obamacare, not keep medicare expansion on forever. Lets do that, lets be consistent with what we told the American People we would accomplish when they sent us here to washington. If chris heres what House Republican speech speaker said is the bottom line. Even if it doesnt meet all of your demands, he says that this plan, the repeal and replace plan, is a lot better than continuing with obamacare. He points out these measures of the plan of what it would do. If it would end the individual and employer mandates. It would expand Health Savings accounts. It would make it more possible for people to put money in the it would turn it into a block grant for states. If you block this plan, are you willing to blow up repeal and replace, something as you pointed out, republicans have been promising for seven years. Are you prepared to deliver what could be a death blow, certainly a serious blow to the early days of the current presidency . Are you willing, bottom line, to vote no on the ryan plan and to block Obamacare Repeal and replace this year . Congressman jordan its not a binary choice. Thats how the legislative process works. You have to take it or leave it, thats not how american democracy works. I represent three quarters of a Million People, as do all of the members. We would like a chance to amend it and make it consistent with the message we told the voters we are going to accomplish. Chris just briefly, we are running out of time. If what about those moderate members, the moderate republicans, far, they are scared of what this is. If you ryan and those folks trying to thread a needle here to satisfy at the right wing, but also to satisfy the center. Congressman jordan they all just voted for a few months ago, the claim repeal that we introduced this week. Its okay to say i voted for during Campaign Time, but now when it counts, you cant do it . It seems to me its a binary choice if there is one, work with all the folks in the conservative movement, all the republicans around the country who say this plan is not we need to do. Either work with us or we dont end up getting the boats. I hope they will work with us, i hope the speaker and our leadership will have the same attitude white house dies, lets Work Together and find a plan that works for the American People and that is consistent with what we told them we would going to do when they gave up the privilege to serve. Chris bottom line, if this is a fine you have to vote on, where will you vote . Congressman jordan i dont introduced by the speaker. Through the committee, not one single amendment was allowed to be offered. Thats not how the process is to post to be. Chris so you would vote no. Congressman jordan i dont think there would be a lot of problems in the house on the senate. Chris its always great to talk to you. Congressman jordan thank you. Chris we will assess the process for passing the repeal and replace plan. Even if it passes, barack obama is the big winner here. Plus, what would you like to ask the panel about obamacare . Go to facebook or twitter, foxnewssunday, and we may use your question on air. And i was wondering if your brokerage offers some sort of guarantee . Guarantee . Where we can get our fees and commissions back if were not happy. So can you offer me what schwab is offering . Whats with all the questions . Ask your broker if theyre offering 4. 95 online equity trades and a satisfaction guarantee. If you dont like their answer, ask again at schwab. Sfx engine revving silence chris coming up, the white house defers job reports of president s trump time and offense. Speak with they may have been phoning in the past, but its very real now. Chris we will ask sunday group how much credit what . There are bumps along the road of life. And for each one theres triplea. Its just three kids, right . We will have an orderly transition to a Better Health care system that makes affordable, highquality Health Insurance available for every american. Its really a cool bill that the republicans have put forth and it will increase the number of uninsured in our country. If chris Vice President pence making the case in kentucky saturday for the gops new Health Care Plan while House Democratic leader nancy pelosi defends the obamacare law she worked so hard to pass. Its time now for our sunday group. If jason riley from the wall street journal, fox news political analyst and columnist for the hill, juan williams. Julie pace, she covers the white house for the associated press, and michael needham, head of the conservative think tank, Heritage Action for michael, you say theres no significant difference between obamacare and the repeal and replace plan. If you are one of the readers of outside groups who met with President Trump at the white house this week. Did you tell him that . We had a great meeting. I thought that the president was open to feedback. I think that what gary cohn said earlier about them looking for improvements was absolutely the case. We were productive. The problem was that the president bringing the open spirit has not bought without binary choice either take it or leave it approach. If the problem that this bill keeps the architecture of obamacare in place. If obamacare has a whole series of regulations to drive up the cost of buying Health Insurance. Many of those regulations stay in place. The key people in buying Health Insurance, obamacare has an individual mandate, which penalize people for not buying it. This bill gets rid of the individual mandate and replaces it with to try to have continuous coverage. Because youve now driven up the cost of Health Insurance and your requiring people or penalizing people to buy these overly expensive plans that they dont want to purchase, you have a large subsidy. Obamacare has a large subsidy that was replaced with a former subsidy. This keeps obamacare and placed in thats why it needs to be improved and it needs to be improved a lot if we are going to make it great. Chris while some liberals, we just heard nancy pelosi complaining bitterly. If there are others who are claiming victory and exactly on his point, they say that this bill maintains the basic structure, architecture of obamacare in the sense that they will continue to be government regulations and the Health Insurance industry, and the fact that even after the it is scaledback, there will still be more people under medicaid than they were before obamacare. They say in effect, obama has won. I think terms that you now have the republicans and democrats saying the government has an Important Role to play here. I would object to this way of thinking about the question in this regard. When you say obamacarelight. If it suggests that its just a little different than obamacare, no big deal. I think it is a big deal from the lefts perspective because you have fewer people insured. The whole point of the deal was to increase the number of people who had Health Insurance in america. 20 million gained Health Insurance from obamacare. If this would decrease the numr insured. It would drive up the cost. Especially, i find this ironic, older, low income voters, especially white low income voters, many of whom were trump supporters. They will be hurt by this plan. You have the american medical association, nurses, hospitals, all of them saying this doesnt americans. Chris we asked you for questions for the panel, and we got a bunch from people who are upset about the disarray that we are seeing. About repealing obamacare. Someone named common sense, i think im going to take that name, tweets this for Republican Leaders. What have you been doing since it was passed back in 2010, and two, why werent you ready to go on day one for President Trump . One problem is that the democrats have been slowwalking a lot of the nominees. He hasnt had a lot of time to work with his team in place. Now that he does have his team in place, they are moving on. Conservatives have to decide whether they will do what is achievable and pragmatic care, or whether they will make the perfect enemy of the good here. The reality here is that a lot of the stuff in this bill, paul ryan doesnt like. He doesnt lik expansion, he doesnt like giving tax credits or tax deductions. If you were building a system from scratch, they wouldnt be in there. But hes not building it from scratch, hes building a system from obamacare. He wants to move gradually, pragmatically, a way this can get through both chambers of congress. Republicans dont have a lot of wiggle room. If they can only afford to lose about 12 people. A clean bill is very unlikely to get through the senate. Everyone knows that. Its a very unfair way to frame this issue. You have one chance on a 51 i can vote threshold to get a bill through and what conservatives are saying is take the architecture of obamacare, and then do the rest when you to the democrats. What they are proposing is the exact opposite, you do the rest now with 51 votes and then we will magically get 60 votes, eight democrats, to say now that architecture in place, we wont join you to turn on the architecture . He didnt run on simply a repeal, he ran on repeal and replace, and thats why he is back. Congressman ryan, the house speaker, he knows that they will own health care. They will own every horror stor story. Even trump tweeted this will be a disaster. If republicans leave the architecture of obamacare in place and we have death spirals and premiums going up under ryans care. Whats the 2,024 election look like human thats why we need to do this right, right now. Chris i want to switch to another topic for the time we have left in the segment. I want to bring you in, julie. The new dra last month, how much credit do you think President Trump you heard it gary cohn to say the ceos are in, they are excited, they will start investing and hiring how much credit do you think President Trump legitimately deserves for good jobs numbers and gary had to dock on the question of the fed. How worried are there about the fed over the next few months and whether that could turn the economy around . Two pieces of this. One, the u. S. Economy is massive and it doesnt turn on a dime. A lot of what youre saying is part of patterns and trendlines that we saw last year under president obama. At the same time, i think its undeniable that there is a level of confidence on wall street among some of these executives that had been meeting with the president lately that may be contributing to the numbers. The confidence is based in part on passing a repeal of obamacare, they overhauled. If those packages dont get through, you will see it start to decline. There is a lot of pressure to make good on those promises. There is some nervousness with the fed, there are limited with what they can say publicly because that is independent, but there is some nervousness that if you have growth start to roll back and you are in the middle of a really tough obamacare debate and tax reform gets pushed off longer, and were suddenly looking at a much different economic picture. Chris 30 seconds, i will take you back for the whole obamacare thing. Big news this week is that the Congressional Budget Office will come up with a score and the expectation is it will send millions of people maybe its a factor, maybe it isnt will lose coverage under repeal and replace. How scared are they about that . The print of numbers tell you everything that you need to know. They know that there some number, perhaps up to 15 million, of people who will lose coverage, and even if they are discrediting that number, that will be a pretty powerful figure for opponents both on the left and the right to wield against this plan. Chris we have to take a break. When we come back, and you had a 14 trump, reformer National Security advisor plan. What do they know about his work for the turkish government during the campaign . Announcer while everyone discusses the future of health care, 18 million americans are already choosing it. With Medicare Advantage a proven publicprivate partnership, where Health Outcomes are valued over volume. Where Early Intervention and management of chronic conditions is leading to better outcomes. And costs are more predictable and affordable. Why do so many seniors choose Medicare Advantage . Maybe because with age comes wisdom. Medicare advantage. Leading the way. [grandfather clock winding] general flynn is a wonderful man. I think hes been treated very, very unfairly by the media. Disappointed by the story. The first i heard of it and i think it is an affirmation of the president s decision to ask him to r chris the Trump Administrations tone towards former National Security advisor Michael Flynn changing sharply after revelations he was paid to work on behalf of the turkish government during the president ial campaign, and we are back now with the panel. We set for all of you, michl flynn was perhaps Donald Trumps top Foreign Policy advisor during the campaign, but he registered this week as a Foreign Agent for work he did at that same time, during the campaign, for the government of turkey. It turns out the trump transition after the election was told about this other job, the white house says that the president at any point in this process as a candidate was never told that Michael Flynn was moonlighting, that he had another job. I do find that is hard to believe as i do . I do. If there were public reports about what he was doing, even after the election. A democrat sending a letter to mike pence white house to look into this. Even if we do take their word on this and accept that no one passed this information onto donald trump, im not sure that makes it better. Then you are in a situation where you have the person was now at the white House Counsel receiving word that he may have to register as a Foreign Agent and not feeling as though that raised red flags about his participation at a high level in the white house. Not raising that issue to the white house. I think either way the president was aware or didnt think it was concerning, or top staffers didnt bring this to the white house, i dont think they come out looking very good here. Chris flynn is gone, or do you think it stays . Hes gone, but its a whole new avenue of what he was doing during the campaign and his transition and brief time of the house. Would spoken a lot on his conversations with the russian ambassador, for what hes he doing for this company that could have benefited the turkish government . Spirit maybe im oldfashioned, in fact, i am oldfashioned, but i have to say that i find it shocking that here is the top National Security advisor to the president ial nominee of the republican party, one of the people whos going to be president , who was participated in top secret classified briefings and it turns out he was working for another country at the same time. Turkey isnt france or britain. Turkey has taken a sharp turn for the worse in recent years. Its doubly disturbing i think that we are talking about turkey, and we can only hope that the administration does a better job of betting its other top officials. The other thing that disturbed me was the lack of communication among the administration. There you have trump, spicer, out there still defending flynn, saying his credentials are impeccable. Now you know why we fired him. There needs to be better communication coming out administration. Weve seen other issues before, they really need to get their act together. Chris to make the point, flynn is saying that his lawyers notified during the transition, not during the campaign, but during the transition, notified the person who ended up as the white House Counsel about the fact that he had done this work and asked edward whether he needed to register as a Foreign Agent. Is it conceivable to you that that information would not be passed on to the president elect before he decides to make this man his National Security advisor . No, it isnt. Either trump did not appreciate the seriousness of this, or he didnt know about it. I think it may be the former. After the inauguration when flynn was artie in the white house, his lawyers told him that he was going to have to move forward with the registration. Chris wikileaks had another major more than 8,000 secret files from the cia that indicated how that agency was able to turn cell phones and Television Sets and other devices into cyber weapons. Here was sean spicers reaction to this disclosure. This is the kind of disclosure that undermines our country, our security, and our wellbeing. Chris michael, i want to ask you, some conservatives were praising julian and praising wikileaks during the campaign for the fact that they were releasing the emails of john podesta, and embarrassing Hillary Clinton in the process. Or they were wrong then and do they need to apologize . Wikileaks is an enemy about the United States, and i think both sides need to be aware. Earlier when there was embarrassing things coming out on wikileaks about the bush administration, there were people on the left were praising certainly during the snowden time. We have a big problem in this country if there somebody in a cia leafless information. It has to be taken care of and both sides need to recognize that wikileaks is not something that should be embraced for domestic, partisan politics. Its something that we all need to be deeply concerned about. Chris this is an issue thats being debated. Usually you believe wikileaks and Julian Assange are enemies of the country. We need to be able to have a conversation about security and privacy. They need to happen largely inside the capitol hill and the people who are elected by us to represent our interests and have security clearances. Certainly thats a valid question for us to be having. Its not a conversation that should be run by foreign actors and foreign actors tied to a country like russia. Thats obviously not the appropriate way for a democratic chris yes, in the last year or so its the conservatives who have embraced wikileaks and its revelations about Hillary Clinton and the campaign and the Democratic National committee, but there was a time when the original wikileaks dump, the bradley manning, Chelsea Manning stuff that it was liberals were talking about it. Theres a key distinction here. And the one case theyre talking about things that involve domestic intervention, spying on people here in the United States. What was revealed this week was about cia methods, sources, tactics overseas. Is anybody saying the cia shouldnt be spying on our enemies, shouldnt be keeping us safe . Of course they should be. All this is the work, to my mind, of wikileaks is really puppets for the russians, because i think that is clear now, thats where the information is coming from and they are driving this whole election as you pointed out, to undermine trust and faith in American Democratic process. Secondly, now to undermine faith and confidence in an american institution, the Central Intelligence l intelligence agency, and they do this for the russian agenda. We went liberals, conservatives, republicans and democrats all give a stiff arm to wikileaks. Indeed. They are an enemy of the American People. But i think its ironic to go back to the way you posed the question to michael, that you have people who say no big deal when it was podestas email, when it the dnc hacking. We dont notice that they are not hacking the other side and Damaging Trust and confidence in the clinton campaign. Chris s this week comes on top of all the others from the intelligence community. We will talk about russia in the next segment, but what did they think at the white house about the inability of this government to keep secrets secret . Its driving them crazy. Every day they come in and they see information on the front page of the newspaper and on television that are supposed to be kept private. They are blaming this on career people or obama political appointees who were holdovers. It does reveal what is a real problem, there are people in this government who dont believe in what trump is doing, and they want to expose it. Chris fit to take a quick break. Next, donald trump go silent on russia this week, refusing to answer a single question. What is that all about . Youre here to buy a car. What would help is simply being able to recognize a fair price. Thats never really been possible. But along comes a radically new way to buy a car, now it is. Truecar has pricing data on every make and model, so all you have to do is search for the car you want, there it is. Now youre an expert in less than a minute. This is how car buying was always meant to be. This is truecar. Chris President Trump refusing to answer any questions from reporters on russia this week after accusing barack obama last weekend of wiretapping trump tower during the 2016 campaign, and we are back now for e panel. This is a pretty dramatic shift for this white house. I will put up the picture. When the president signed the revised executive order this week banning travel from six countries, all they did was release this photo. But they didnt let any reporters and end officials there announcing since the house and Senate Intelligence committees are investigating that they will have no more combat on the president s charge, whats your sense . Do they have any evidence to back up the president on this charge . It doesnt appear as though they do. We will wait to see if they turn anything over to the committee tomorrow, but most people of the white house would just like this to go away. If the problem with that is that this was something that was raised by the president himself, which makes it pretty hard for both of us in the media and investigative committees to put this aside. The way they structured it was so fascinating. I will give them credit for these opening weeks of president. He had a lot of events on camera, he does take shouted questions from reporters, but we did not get the opportunity this week. As a press conference on tuesday with germany, we hope we will be able to ask questions there. Chris she says with a bright smile. Michael, as she referred to come at the House Intel Committee is asking the Trump Administration for evidence by tomorrow to back up the president s claim that the Previous Administration wiretapped the phones at trump tower of canada trump. Is this shut up time for this white house . I think we should let them do their investigation. There are a lot of claims going around and theres absolutely no evidence of trip, Trump Campaign with russia. I think lets just let the investigation go forward and lets talk about it from there. Chris lets pick up on this, because we had week of the fbi director james walking all over the capital meeting with top congressional leaders and as you point out, still no word about any evidence of collusion between the original charge, the original scandal between the russians and trump world. Is it possible, likely at this point, but theres no evidence against donald trump and theres no evidence for donald trump when it comes to his charge . Yes, it is possible. There was no evidence of direct collusion, and theres no evidence that president obama had any role in directing wiretapping of trump tower. We have a clash of conspiracy theories right now. I think the president s right to go silent on this issue until they can do their investigation, but its probably something you shouldnt have raised in the first place and he has his whole staff scrambling to come up with evidence. Chris is it possible, we have been spending an awful lot of talking about fallout from russian investigations, is it possible that there is nothing there . We know the cia, the National Security agency, they have offered their name, their stamp on a report that indicates russia chris on talking about collusion. What we can say is this, there was an astounding number of contact between trump and Administration Campaign associates with russians, some of them in the case we know were flynn and sessions, but they didnt want to own up to these contacts. Chris no evidence of collusion. It is real. Chris not with the Trump Campaign, there is no evidence of that. With the election. Chris nobody ever get the last word here. Panel, thats all we have time for. 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