Hillary clinton becomes president of our country, believe me. How will terror impact the election . My interview with a senator who is one of president obamas sharpest critics. Plus our new 2016 battleground map. The big states that have shifted and what it means for november. Finally, is it time to bring back the smokefilled room . Yes, says the author of the atlantic magazines cover story, how american politics went insane. Joining us, andrea mitchell, katy tur, kasie hunt, and kelly odonnell. Welcome to sunday. Its meet the press. Announcer from nbc news in washington, this is meet the press with chuck todd. Good sunday morning and a happy Independence Day weekend to everyone. We may be nearing the final chapter of the Hillary Clinton email Hillary Clinton for about three and a half hours at its headquarters right here in washington, d. C. About the use of her private email server while she was secretary of state. I spoke with the former secretary late yesterday on msnbc, her only interview since meeting with the fbi, and asked her whether the description of the interview as civil and business like was accurate. Well, it was both. It was something i had offered to do since last august. Ive been eager to do it. And i was pleased to have the opportunity to assist the department in bringing its review to a conclusion. How did your private server, where you kept this classified information, some of which was retroactive, understand, after your term as secretary of state, how was that not a violation of this code . I never received nor sent any material that was marked classified. And there is a review of material before it is released to the public. And there were decisions made that material should be classified. I do call that retroactively classifying. So therefore it would not be publicly released. But that doesnt change the facts as ive explained many times. Who advised you that it was perfectly legal for you to have a private server and to have this information on there as secretary of state . Who gave that advice . Im not going to go into any more detail than i have in public many times, as you certainly know, out of respect for the process that the department is conducting. So im not going to comment any further on the review. But ive been answering es ive released more than 55,000 pages of my emails for the public to read for themselves. I will continue to, you know, be as forthcoming as i can. And my answer that i first gave more than a year ago, i stand by. At the same time there was another story that clinton would love to leave behind, that tarmac meeting at the Phoenix Airport between bill clinton and attorney general Loretta Lynch. Given Hillary Clintons email troubles, the meeting could be seen by opponents as a conspiracy. Even supporters criticize the optics. On the msnbc interview yesterday, i asked about her reaction to the meeting. I learned about it in the news. It was a short, chance meeting at an airport tarmac, and both of their planes, as i understand it, were landing on the same tarmac at about the same time. And the attorney genera they said hello. They talked about grandkids, which is very much on our minds these days, golf, their mutual friend and former attorney general janet reno. It was purely social. They did not veer off of speaking about those kinds of, you know, very common exchanges. Do you understand why many in the public, some of them are political opponents of yours, some are supporters, who thought that was a bad decision by your husband, that that was a mistake and he should have known better . Well, i think hindsight is 20 20. Both the attorney general and my husband have said that they wouldnt do it again even though it was from all accounts that i have heard and seen, an exchange of pleasantries. But obviously no one wants to see any untoward, you know, conclusions drawn. And theyve said, you know, they would not do it again. Emails, the tarmac meeting, appearing in rapid succession, a reminder that while donald trump has had a terrible few weeks, Hillary Clinton has her own issues, and they all revolve around trust. The interview thats been anticipated for months happened behind closed doors at fbi headquarters for three and a half hours, according to clinton aides. Its a sign the email investigation that has dogged Clintons Campaign may be drawing to a close. And the tarmac meeting. Bill clinton goes into an airplane the other day, just happened to be, a coincidence. Attorney general Loretta Lynch says the meeting on her private plane in phoenix was a social call. But on friday she said she will accept whatever recommendation prosecutors make. I certainly would not do it again. I think it has cast a shadow any unforced error. That meeting on the tarmac was an unforced error. The trust issue continues to be a drag on Clintons Campaign. A lot of people tell pollsters they dont trust me. I dont like hearing that. You hear 25 years of wild accusations, anyone would start to wonder. In the latest poll, clinton leads trump overall by 5 points but she trails by 16 points when voters are asked which candidate is more honest and state forward. And 69 of voters say the fact that clinton is dishonest is serious enough to be a concern. The problem goes all the way back to her being a first lady. From white water forward all the way to the investigation now on the emails, theres always something in the press, while none of them have been prosecuted in any way, voters just see too much smoke. And this week, in the dripdripdrip of the ongoing email scanda although clinton claims she turned over all workrelated emails to the state department, at least 160 new ones have come to light thanks to a public records lawsuit. Clinton is trying to deal with all of her problems, explaining her secrecy. The reason i sometimes sound careful with my words is not that im hiding something. Its just that im careful with my words. Borrowing Campaign Energy from otherwise. Im with her. Yes, her. And trying to turn the trust issue back on trump. Hes in it for himself. And hes temperamentally unfit to be president. But her reputation may be baked in. She cant do it do a speech, suddenly address it, and its gone. Its always going to be part of the equation. And thats what makes it difficult for her. All right. Lets bring in our panel of nbc news political correspondents here this weekend, kelly odonnell, kasie hunt, andrea mitchell, and katy tur. Welcome to all of reaction to the fbi interview. And hes already come to a conclusion. It was Just Announced by sources that no charges will be brought against crooked Hillary Clinton. Like i said, the system is totally rigged. Andrea mitchell, even if shes exonerated, donald trump already has his talking points thanks to the tarmac meeting. Hes called her crooked Hillary Clinton for white a while, so thats a been branding her in advance. The tarmac meeting was an unforced error, inexplicable. Something should have told this former constitutional law professor from arkansas not to do it. Something should have told Loretta Lynch to say, mr. President , lets go down on the tarmac, they could have walked into the terminal, any place in public. To be on that plane for 30 minutes, now no matter what happens, if she is exonerated, she will still be he still be suspicions, not only among the donald trump people, but among a lot of other people, there will be suspicions that it was politically influenced. This was absolutely a disastrous decision on their part. And it plays directly into the narrative the Donald Trump Campaign is trying to put forth, that Hillary Clinton is not to be trusted, that there are one set of rules for her, for the clintons and politicians in general, and another set of rules for anybody else. The tarmac meeting fits into that. The Trump Campaign is seeing this as an opportunity, no matter what happened, to use it against her, saying that shes just not trustworthy. Its something of a pattern, right, with the clinton. You heard Hillary Clinton certifies talking about that there, i do something, the right things its a grand conspiracy. The reality is theyve done many things in public life that looking back they say they shouldnt have done, but they look strange. The email she says i did it for convenience, i would have done it differently if i had had another chance. Agents long line of things that fits into pattern that kelly, i want to play you a clip. I had Loretta Lynch on a few weeks ago and i asked her about the question of recusal. Actually now in hindsight it looks like she was perhaps setting up what she ended up announcing. Here it is. So this is not up to you, this decision . We dont talk about how well deal with the internal workings of the justice department. But this will be handled like any other matter. Its not necessary in your mind that you have to recuse yourself from this . I say let the career prosecutors and agents do their job and continue in this manner. She was also careful in the aspen interview. She left a little room. She said, no, im going to be briefed on this. Shes not doing a full recusal. Republicans are picking up on this. And they want a speci prosecutor. That theyre not going to get. No. Its something that might still be out there. I think it is still within the possibility. I also think that james comey has a lot of credibility with people in both parties because he has been someone who on principle has pulled himself out of the game before. I think if he were to say that there is evidence here that should be considered, if the career prosecutors, and i think many people watching this from the outside may not have a sense of the type of long careers, regardless of who is president , of people who are involved in this. Shes trying to shine a light on that credibility. Politically, this is very difficult. So if you cant fix trust, then what do you fix if youre Hillary Clinton . Here is peter hart, one of our pollsters with the nbc wall street journal poll. He wants to zero in on another issue of Hillary Clintons. Shes never going to be able tool issue. Voters need to find a comfort in terms of her values and in terms of what she would do. He and other democrats believe her campaign is not doing enough on her own likability issue. The campaign ads now showing what shes done with children, which is authentic, her entire life, her entire career. Theyre playing in North Carolina and other big states. That is showing Hillary Clinton as not just experienced, theyve checked that box, but showing her warm, engaging, the grandmother. But theres one other thing that this whole mess has created. I was told that there was a plan, a possible plan for her to fly in on tuesday with the first Obama Meeting to North Carolina on air force one. Hillary clinton would have been on air force one. The door of the plane opens, there are the two of them arm in arm. Not now. Maybe theyll still do it, but it makes it hard for the president , while this is department. Guys, i want to pivot here with more politics, but pivot to the other big issue that is hitting this campaign, the spate of terror attacks around the world, and whether this is really becoming the new normal for all of us. Consider what weve seen in the past few months, all tied to islamic extremism. Paris. San bernardino. Orlando. The airport in istanbul. And just this weekend, the restaurant siege in bangladesh. Events like these can alter the trajectory of a campaign. While Hillary Clinton limited her response to a written statement, donald trump again is trying to position himself as the tough on terror candidate. Hillary is a weak person. She is a weak person. They will not understand hillary. They want her to get in so badly. The last person they want to see become president of the United States, believe me, is dal and there are warning signs for clinton on this issue. Our recent nbc news i wall street journal poll found trump leading clinton on the issue of terrorism and homeland security. Trump has an 8point edge on who would do a better job of standing up for america. Republican senator tom cotton has been among the sharpest critics of president obamas Foreign Policy. Joining me now is the republican senator from arkansas, tom cotton, welcome back to meet the press. Good to be on with you, chuck, happy Independence Day to all your viewers. Absolutely. Let me start with this war against isis, terrorism, et cetera. Youre very critical of this administration, that we know. But let me put you in charge now. Be the person in charge. Starting now, what do you do . Lets start with syria. What do you do in syria now . Well, first thing we have to do is talk less and act more. The president often presents our problems with the Islamic State, a pr problem or communications problem. When a politician says that, its almost always a reality problem. We need to do more and we need to do it faster. Ill give you examples from the past. It seems like every time the Islamic State commits a terrorist atrocity, the president or his senior officials announce a new policy change. We werent striking at oil trucks, then we were. We didnt have special Operations Forces in syria, now we do. We didnt have troops below the brigade level, now we have them at the battalion level. Meanwhile, we should pursue all potential policies right now and not wait for a terrorist attack. I want to play you a speech you gave in 2013. Are we fighting too many wars . I would say no, were fighting one war. Its a war against radical islamic jihad. Our interests is in the smallest valleys of afghanistan where radical islamic jihadists are plotting, a small cabal, a few hundred thousand dollars. Something that mean when isis strikes in bangladesh, it is in americas isis to deal with the isis threat there, the isis threat in afghanistan, the isis threat in iraq . You see my point here. Where does it stop, where does it end . We have to defeat the Islamic State, chuck. We cant simply contain it within a small part of syria. They will continue to launch terror attacks around the world, not just in places like bangladesh and turkey, but western europe and the United States as well. They will inspire those kind of attacks. If the Islamic State is losing, if theyre defeated in iraq, syria, or libya, which is maybe their most welldeveloped, dangerous cell today, theyll inspire attacks. Were not responsible for the domestic of our allies. But ultimately we need to deny them the safe haven they need and eliminate their leadership from the battle, like we did to al qaeda in much of the last decade. In many ways what you outline as Foreign Policy is the exact opposite of donald trump and seems closer to Hillary Clinton, or Hillary Clinton seems closer to you. How do you explain this . Well, i can assure you im not very close to Hillary Clinton. I think shes disqualified herself as commander in chief by her cavalier attitude toward the nations secrecy la. Shes been responsible for many of the worst decisions at the obama administration. She was literally present when we pressed the reset button with russia, when russia invaded georgia. In 2007 when every iraqi leader wanted an agreement to keep troops there, she couldnt achieve that secretary of state. So im far from a supporter of Hillary Clinton, nor do our world views match up very well. Okay. But you just gave fine. You gave the case against clinton. Whats the case for trump . You just did a whole speech earlier this weekend, you didnt even mention his name. You laid out a strong case against her, but you did not make a case for him. Make the case for him. Well, chuck, the case against Hillary Clintons judgment in Foreign Policy is very strong. To say nothing of her support for obamacare, immigration, the fact that but whats the case for donald trump . I understand the case against Hillary Clinton. Whats the case for donald trump . Well, donald trump can ultimately make the case for himself. But donald trump, like most americans, like most republicans, believes in protecting americas Core National interests. He believes, as do i and most americans, that we arent yet doing enough to take the fight to the Islamic State, that the inte illconsidered and slap dash at the time and were living with the consequences of it now, that we have to get tougher when it comes to intelligence and Law Enforcement practices to stop islamic terrorism. On those matters our party is largely united. I say we have the vast majority of americans with us. You dont come across as an enthusiastic trump supporter; is that fair . Maybe i dont just demonstrate enthusiasm much, chuck, especially in such dangerous timings es as these. I understand that. This is somebody who is not running on a Foreign Policy that is anywhere close to what you would like to see. How do you square that in your support for him . Well, chuck, im a senator. As a senator i play an Important Role in crafting Foreign Policy. Its important to remember that whatever the president ial candidates say, they will have to intact with the United States congress, particularly the senate, when it comes to crafting policy. Theres been talk about our troop presence in japan and south re thats not unprecedented. Jimmy carter when he was president proposed withdrawing troops from there. He was stopped by the United States congress. Im going to play that role regardless of who is president. Hillary clinton was subject to an an interview by the fbi for three and a half hours today. Given what happened with the tarmac incident with former president clinton, the attorney general, her deciding shell accept whatever recommendation the prosecutors and fbi make, do you have confidence now in the outcome, whatever it is, regarding this investigation . Chuck, i have always had confidence in our front line fbi personnel, as well as the fbi leadership. I think the events of the last week do call into question attorney general lynchs judgment in taking a private meeting with bill clinton, who is not only the spouse of a target of an fbi investigation, but made himself be at the target of an fbi investigation into the activities of the clinton foundation. Her to take the meeting, very unwise of him to seek the meeting. And since she has not fully recused herself from the decision, i think it raises questions about political interference in this investigation. Senator cotton, thanks for coming on. Thanks, chuck. When we come back, the shifting battleground map for 2016, guess which very big and famous swing state has moved into the democratic column. As we go to break on this Independence Day weekend, well show you some of what we heard when we asked people the simple question, what does independence mean to you . 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The guide news, pennsylvania, nevada when we had a lean democrat, tossup. More on that in a minute. This map, by the way, put Hillary Clinton at 255 electoral votes. 15 short of the 270 she would need. What does trumps map look like . We moved mississippi and montana republican in the column but maybe the most important thing is utah. We have moved it from likely to lean. Its perhaps the most important republican state and reliable republican state in the country but mormons have a big problem with trump and its not guarantee hell win there. With this map, trump would have 190 electoral votes and would need 80. What does that mean for the s o to tossups. Maine and nebraska award them by congressional district. New additions to this tossup map besides maines one vote is pennsylvania and nevada. Right now, trump is showing strength in reno, thats why we have moved nevada from lean to tossup. The polls are much closer there than many thought they would be. In total, this is 93 electoral votes up for grabs in the tossup category but as we told you, all Hillary Clinton needs is 15 electoral votes. One North Carolina would do it. One pennsylvania would do it. One ohio would do it. Thats a little bit scary if youre donald trump right now because if shes only one state away, and youre essentially needing to run the table on everything on this map. Well see. When we come back, as the potential v. P. Fields come into focus, my interview with one possible pick, labor s im mary ellen, and i quit smoking with chantix. I have smoked for 30 years and by taking chantix, i was able to quit in 3 months and that was amazing. Along with support, Chantix Varenicline is proven to help people quit smoking. Some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. Some had seizures while taking chantix. 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But were told that secretary clinton has really taking a liking to him on the campaign trail. He joined me on friday in his personal capacity as a supporter he convince skeptical progressives on issues like trade. Let me start with trade and specifically tpp. Donald trump earlier this week railing against it and then added this, we have to withdraw, okay, we have to and we should seek a guarantee from Hillary Clinton that she wont sign it. By the way, hes got the same position on tpp as Bernie Sanders who wants it in the platform, opposition to tpp. Should secretary clinton oppose this and guarantee she will oppose it throughout her four years . Secretary clinton has been very clear she opposes tpp and secretary clinton has been very clear she has a real plan to bring jobs back to america and a plan on trade that starts with making sure were tough on trade so if china is dumping steel or aluminum, shes called for a trade prosecutor and she also manufacturing jobs and expand them here in america by investing in workers. Donald trump is a fraud. He is an hes the outsourcer in chief justice and listening to him talk about how hes going to put America First again, he spent his entire career putting profits first. Hes not the only one mr. Secretary i understand that. Bernie sanders is just as against this and his people are fighting to get opposition in the democratic platform. What do you see to sanders . Well, again, this election is between Hillary Clinton and donald trump and donald trump is telling the American People that hes going to put America First on trade. Donald trump has said that wages are too high in america. Donald trump has said that a low minimum wage is a good thing for america. Donald trump makes his suits in mexico when ive been to a plant in ohio that uses union labor to make their suits. Donald trump has said repeatedly that oh, im g at the reality of what he has done, he has fought collective bargaining in las vegas. The people on the trip who organize the trump hotel did it over his dead body. This notion that hes somehow going to be a champion for workers flies in the face of his record because he hasnt put America First. Hes put his own profits first. Its all about him. Let me ask you though, specifically about tpp. Labor secretary perez said this about tpp as your capacity as labor secretary, you championed it and one op ed that we found in the boulder daily critical to the 221st century competitiveness over a year ago. Do you still believe in that version of the tpp . Sure. This is what the president tasked me with doing, chuck, and i was proud to do it, which is we want to go to trade agreements and build a trade regime that again the north star is the American Worker, protecting the American Worker and so we want to make sure when we negotiate with mexico and vietnam and others that we have the strongest protections for workers that weve ever had and thats what we set out to do and thats what i believe we have done. The president and secretary clinton have a disagreement on whether tpp has gone that far. You know, this is not the first time in the history of the Democratic Party there are differences of opinion where they are totally in lock step is their belief that we have to put the American Worker first and we have to go to school on the lessons of history and thats exactly what were doing in the work that weve been doing on trade. Look, i know youve been very hesitant about answering any v. P. Questions and the vetting questions but let me ask this since its clear your name is somewhere in the mix. Tell me how you would describe the Foreign Policy universe pageant and i dont own golf courses in scotland, chuck, so i dont have what donald trump has and im very sorry about that, but its all about judgment and donald trump is such a volatile individual and what i have seen working with secretary clinton is that shis a steady hand, were in the midst of a very challenging set of circumstances around the world and i need someone with a steady hand and secretary clinton with her experience with her steady hand and with her sound judgment, judgment is what its all about and i think she is exercised sound judgment throughout. Let me ask you this, what do you believe is the biggest threat that faces the next administration international . Well, again, were continuing to co foreign terrorism, isil and others, we continue to see nations that are having, you know, dramatic challenges and a lot of the same questions are being asked around the world whether its in europe where you have so many people in the far right who are gaining traction, whether its, you know, france or others elsewhere, austria most recently, as well. And so i think its a critically important moment for American Leadership and when i think about donald trump, the trump train wreck is not simply a train wreck on trade or on the minimum wage or on immigration, its a train wreck for American Values and one of the many reasons, chuck, that i am so excited to support secretary clinton is because she muslims, when you attack immigrants, youre attacking the core of American Values and i think around the world, the rest of the world is looking to america for leadership, looking for us to summon the values of opportunity and optimism. I dont understand why donald trump is saying america is in decline. When Ronald Reagan was president he was taking out full page ads saying america is a laughing stock. I look around the world and when i travel internationally, everybody is looking to america for guidance and saying we admire you as the face of the earth in terms of the values that we should be upholding. I think america is a remarkable leader and with secretary clinton moving forward, the challenges of terrorism, the challenges of global inequality, we got to make sure that our economy at home and our economy around the world works for everybody and not just for a few. There is a fuller interview that i did with tom perez you can find on meet the press n nbc. Com. Is it time to bring back the smokefilled room . Well get into that. First, here is more of what independence means to some of us. 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The past four decades have seen remarkable changes in our politics, Strong Political parties, spending, Party Insiders and smokefilled rooms have largely been replaced by direct primaries, restrictions, the death of the seniority system in maverick candidates accountable to no one. The changes create a transparent democracy created chaos and given us the politics weve seen today. Jonathan is the author of the cover story in this months the atlantic. Good to see you, sir. Great to be here, chuck, thank you. Probably the best summation of trying to explain how did we get here . The number one question all of us get which is how did we end up with trump and clinton and politics . I want to start with one excerpt. You wrote trump, sanders and ted cruz have in common that they are political psychopaths meaning they are not crazy but dont care what politics think about their behavior and dont tear. Politics is inherently a team sport. You need leaders to get followers to follow and coordinate thousands of interest politicians and that takes people who can built personal networks who are can have private conversations, who can have strong party structures. That requires seniority systems on capitol hill so that loyalists are paid off. It requires money. Youve got to be able to say, you know, chuck, youve been a loyal supporter. Im going to route money to the campaign by stripping away those tools from leaders weve created a crisis of follower ship. Its interesting in your piece you write our most pressing political problem today is the country abandoned the establishment. Not the other way around. You know, obviously weve been hearing that word whatever it meant, the establishment, im running against the establishment and youre contending no, the problem is the establishment is not working. Yeah, its been effectively shattered. Obviously, there are still people who look like more main stream than other people but the tools that an establishment needs to use to be like being able for example suppose i need you to vote with me on a debt limit bill to keep the vote up. Thats tough. I need to give you protection in your primary race. If you cant do that, that wont help me. Thats a leader without followers. Thats john boehner and the mess were in. Hasnt it meant that you have the potential of Vice President ial candidates not vetted in the same way. In a smokefilled room people would have known whats going on and would have communicated that. It seems there have been choices going all the way back you can argue to dan quail where people werent hurried up and sarah palin and put on a ticket and an important point now where candidates are going to be chosen for Vice President by these front runners and you have to know a lot more about them. Andrea, we have without meaning to, best of intentions weve moved down a road where now reward renegade Political Behavior and punish loyalests that play by the rules and thats a dangerous place to be. You talked some in this story about the kind of machines of old tammany hall and they ended up representing the little guy. Do you think the establishment has made any mistakes, the Republican Party for example . Did they forget about the masses of people who they actually need to send them here . You know, its of course the establishment made huge mistakes. Everyone made huge mistakes, but a lot of what happened is that the establishment lost the party, specifically. Lost a lot of the power they used to have to be able to aggravate this. They bring them together and say who will talk to the working class . Who is on that . Who is dealing with that . Find candidates that mobile wise the votes. When you turn it over to a primary process, youre turning it over to special active eestivists that have typ organize and taking it away from the unspoken for. How did the establish the lose the game and dont feel like they are represented by them. How do they get that message taken away and the line and the power and trying to benefit themselves. Was it something they created and lost control of . Ist its a bunch of things. Part of it is the socalled establishment. I prefer to think about insiders and because a lot of what happened there is we spent 40 or 50 years passing laws and policies that have systematically stripped away all of the tools and devices that those people used in order to do their jobs and then we look up and discover they cant do their jobs. All they are talking everyone says why didnt they intervene to stop trump . There is nothing they could do. They used to believe able to channel money and work quietly behind closed doors to get things done. In congress, and especially in the primary process. Weve taken a way a lot of what they needed. 535 elected pundits. And demonized, earmarks and so forth and when i talk to voters, they i think the element of how you build coalitions and loyalty over time, they dont trust that. They dont accept that those swords of inner workings they might have in their workplace apply to government. How do you change their minds. You can try to start by writing an article but [ laughter ] thats right. Check. It is such an uphill battle. The article talks about the mechanical things to do to begin fixing this problem and not that difficult. A lot of them are simple changes in law or congressional rules like earmarks. The hard part is persuading the road of demonizing the parties and machines and professionals and until we start rebuilding them, were just going to have more and more chaos. And rewarding compromise. Rewarding compromise and team play. I hope every elected official reads this. Many americans need to read it but it was its an important piece and may be seminole. C congratulatio congratulations. Thank you. When we come back in 45 seconds, end game time and could we learn this week the name of Donald Trumps running mate. Boeing, make sure youre keeping up with your kids online accounts and the social media theyre using. Talk with them about appropriate online behavior. Being proactive and involved is the best way to protect your kids from predators and bullies. The more you know. Brought to you by boeing. Two weeks from the convention, well learn Donald Trumps president ial running mate. We think the front runners are chris christie, Newt Gingrich and mike pentz. Where do we stand . To pick that running they have to complete the vetting process. The questionnaires going out in a rolling fashion in both parties frankly, there are those on the list that have not completed that work yet and until its in, they cant do it. Why is that so important for donald trump . Because the person he chose to do his vetting is a wellknown d. C. Lawyer who also vetted sarah palin. And the question is he wants to be certain that there is a thorough vetting and so the questionnaires which are more than 100 questions all kinds of things about very invasive. Medical, everything youve done, social media habits, all of that asking potential picks to go through that, thats not done yet. The pick needs more time. Katy, what are you hearing . We say, pentz, christie and gingrich could be runners but i have sources that say be careful for a head fake. I mean, these are three people who think on their own, they have their own opinions and would be a real partner as a number two and my sources say mcman and someone that will yes donald trump him as opposed to somebody like newt who will go out and potentially criticize him christie . No, christie has been the yes man, nobody believes hell be able to stay that way. They believe hes playing a role and they keep pointing and they keep saying this and we dont believe it, scott brown. Prochoice looking at personalitywise. I want to go to the democrats. Tom perez has been working his way up the list. And he have enough Foreign Policy experience . Does clinton care about that . Clinton doesnt need to care about the experience but she needs to follow through on commitments so that would be a big test. Came, checked the boxes and will have to explain the gift practices he followed perfectly legal and even was excessive in the way he computed the values of things but given the 80 invalidation of the prosecution, but given all of the other issues somebody that will come out tom, weve added him to the list as somebody vetted before. John carry vetted him in 04. Roll america which is something she cant be in 08 he and his wife were major for Hillary Clinton their connection is with her, not bill. It is a Hillary Clinton long i think that that really matters a lot and i do think one thing the Clinton Campaign and elizabeth warren. I dont think she needs to be the Vice President ial pick and clinton and warren are working more towards a personal relationship but my sense is the idea Hillary Clinton would have somebody in the neighboring offic the oval office job might be uncomfortable. With Hillary Clinton shes looking past the election to governing and one thing you really have to calculate is she was a senator. She is married to a president. She understands the relationship of congress to a president and i am told by so Many Senate Democrats that she has options other than those that would remove a democratic senator. That matters. It matters. She wants a democratic senate. Brown, warren, booker. Take brown out of it, frankly, because shes getting a lot of pressure. She needs a democratic senate. I think brown would be the pick. She needs compatibility. She is seen the rivalry in the white house several times and does not want to have that. All right. Im going to pause it there. Well have a little we have something a little bit interesting were allowing folks to do. If this election has you feeling that you need to get something off your chest, weve got a way to do it. Were trying to provide you a way to do it and secret recalled election notes like this one after months of being vocal for bernie, i forgot to vote in my primary. Well, we at nbc news gathered video confessions in los angeles at an event called politocon. My confession is i lie to my family about who i vote for. I lie to my husband. I lie to my kids. My confession is ive only ever voted for myself. I write in my name on every single line of a ballot. I feel like if everyone promises to be real, we dont really need a president. Im ashamed of myself for living here for 24 years and never voted once because im too lazy to get my citizen ship. Sometimes i get the appeal of donald trump. Please, god, help me. [ laughter ] you, too, can do this. Find out how to confess. Election confollowing the accident. Thats how we should go and co thats right. You can see the full video on meet the press facebook and confessions booth will be up and running at the convention. I never told my daughter anything about what i think about politics because shell tell everybody at school. Thats all for today. We want to wish you a very happy 4th of july. Be safe and as we go, here is the United States marine band performing John Phillips stars and stripes forever on the steps of the capitol. Well be back next week because if its sunday, its meet the press