Transcripts For WRC Late Night With Seth Meyers 20170519

[ laughter ] during a press conference this afternoon, President Trump said that his administration is getting things done at a recordsetting pace. For example, most president s take four years to finish a term and it looks like trumps gonna get it done in like eight months. [ cheers and applause ] so [ laughter ] youre out the Justice Department yesterday appointed former fbi director Robert Mueller as special council to oversee the investigation into trump and russia. Im gonna get to the bottom of this. Said donald trump to a pint of haagen dazs. [ laughter ] everybody, calling me a liar. Im not a liar. Theyre liars, i dont like [ laughter ] Country Singer toby keith will reportedly perform in saudi arabia on saturday, for President Trumps first foreign trip. For muslims . [ laughter ] thats like having betsy devos give the commencement speech at a historically black oh, okay. I see what you are doing. [ audience groans ] [ applause ] i see what youre doing. You hate everything. An app that reminds women to take their Birth Control pills will now offer instructions on what to do if a pill is missed or not taken on time. And i gotta say, the app is more conservative than i expected. [ laughter and applause ] a Yale University dean has been placed on leave after leaving offensive reviews on yelp. Heres one of them. [ laughter ] one star. Rapper a ap rocky had 1. 5 Million Dollars worth of jewelry stolen from his home in los angeles earlier this week. Well, heres a free tip, stop spelling your name with a dollar sign. [ laughter ] thats like having the license plate i love cocaine and being surprised when the cops pull you over. Dont be surprised. Why do you have so many letters in your license plate . And finally, a man from idaho was recently rushed to the hospital after a Fidget Spinner toy became lodged in his anus. [ laughter ] but doctors sent the man home untreated since thats where those belong. [ laughter and applause ] ladies and gentlemen, we have a fantastic show for you tonight. Hes an incredible actor from such great shows as transparent and arrested development. His memoir are you anybody is avaiable now. Jeffrey tambor, hes one of our favorites is back on the show. [ cheers and applause ] another friend of ours whos back is starring in the abc adaption of dirty dancing, Debra Messing. [ cheers and applause ] back on late night tonight. And i dont know i dont know if youve been listening to the New York Times podcast the daily. Im addicted to it and im so happy its host is here tonight. Michael barbaro is joining us. [ cheers and applause ] so looking forward to tain about how he pulls that together every day. Before we get to all of our great guests, even by trumps standards, this has been an insane week. Day after day there have been mounting scandals culminating with yesterdays appointment of a special council to oversee the russian investigation. And now, trump is heading out on his first foreign trip as president under a cloud of suspicion. For more on this, its time for a closer look. [ cheers and applause ] seth the pace at which trump scandals have been unfolding over the past week has been mindboggling. Of course, the historical precedent everyone seems to be using for comparisons sake is watergate, but even that seems to be inadequate in describing how quickly things are moving. As senator john mccain explained yesterday. Its just another scandal, its just another scandal that unfortunately continues every only its now accelerated. Watergate took many months and this thing seems to be taking hours. Seth yeah, this isnt watergate, its the watergate express. In the trump era, every hour feels like a month. In fact, time now works for us the way crowd sizes work for trump. A few thousand can seem like 1. 5 million hours. [ cheers and applause ] all of this, of course, came to a head yesterday with the appointment of a special council. A special independent council has been named to head up the investigation of the trump administration, and russian interference with the u. S. Election. The department naming former fbi chief Robert Mueller as special council, the decision a bow to the growing pressure from capitol hill, after the president s firing of fbi director james comey, who was leading his own russia investigation. And the cascade of stunning developments this week that have followed. Up until today, President Donald Trump has had the ability to control almost every news cycle. From this day forward, he no longer has control. And instead, if you will, of being the hunter, he becomes the hunted. Trump was much of a hunter before this. His only prey came in buckets. [ laughter ] shh, if you move too fast, you scare them off. [ laughter ] today trump took questions for the first time on the appointment of a special council during a press conference with the president of colombia. But even when he was trying to focus on topics other than the russia investigation, he didnt seem very sure of himself, like when he discussed the two countries joint efforts to end the production of coca from which cocaine is made. But he kept mispronouncing it. Recently we have seen an alarmed, and i mean really a very highly alarmed and alarming trend. Last year colombia cocoa cultivation and cocaine production reached record high. Today i affirm the United States willingness to assist colombias strategy. To target and eliminate Drug Trafficking networks, illicit financings, cocoa cultivation. [ laht seth cocoa . [ light laughter ] does he think chocolate and cocaine come from the same place . [ laughter ] in fact, weve already captured famous drug kingpin el choco. [ laughter ] now, in his role as special council, mueller will have broad authority. And hes gonna need it because there is a lot to look into, take, for example, trumps disgraced former National Security advisor Michael Flynn. And lets face it, the guy he just looks shady. Flynn looks like a guy who only comes into town once a year for supplies. Shame about those missing hikers. Police got any leads yet . [ laughter ] as you may know, flynn is under fbi investigation for his ties to russia. But hes also under investigation for taking secret payments from turkey without registering as a foreign agent. Which youre required to do, by law. And last night, we got yet another bombshell, about what the trump team knew with regard to flynn and when they knew it. The New York Times reporting Michael Flynn told President Trumps Transition Team weeks before the inauguration that h was under federal investigation for secretly working as a paid lobbyist for turkey during the campaign. Despite the warning mr. Trump made flynn his National Security adviser. Seth so they hired someone who was under active fbi investigation for taking secret payments from a Foreign Government as the National Security adviser. Thats like hiring a babysitter who is still wearing one handcuff. [ laughter ] so just think about this for a second, donald trump and his associates are facing multiple fbi investigations over foreign payments and possible collusion with a Foreign Government. As well as investigations in the house and senate and now a special council. I just wish someone had warned us about the disastrous consequences of a president who would be under investigation while in office. The fbi now has multiple open criminal investigations into hillary clinton. And now shes gonna run the coutnry. Shell be under investigation for years, shell be with trials. I mean, we went through it with him with the impme arent we tired of this stuff . This election will determine whether we remain a free country in the truest sense of the word or we become a corrupt Banana Republic controlled by large donors and Foreign Governments. This is collusion and corruption of the highest order and it is one more reason why i ask, my attorney general, i will ask. To appoint a special prosecutor. [ laughter and applause ] seth its literally its literally the only Campaign Promise hes actually kept. [ cheers and applause ] its almost like donald trump is a time traveler sent to warn us about himself. [ laughter ] oh, god, im too late. [ laughter ] now the timing of all this chaos canne because on friday he sets out for his first foreign trip to europe and the middle east. And aides were hoping it would represent a chance to reboot his presidency. Instead with all the turmoil going on, trump seems less than excited about the trip. According to times trump, a confirmed homebody, has expressed dread about the trip asking aides whether it can be shortened to five days, from nine. So hes basically a kid who doesnt want to go to summer camp. [ laughter ] but what if they dont have the snacks i like . [ laughter ] and he doesnt seem to want to do much preparation for the trip either. According to a report in reuters yesterday conversations with some officials who have briefed trump and others who are aware of how he abosrbs information, portray a president with a short attention span. [ laughter ] he likes single page memos and visual aides. Like maps, charts, graphs, and photos. And National Security Council Officials who strategically included trumps name in as many paragraphs as we can because he keeps reading if hes mentioned. [ laughter ] they have to put his name in stto soon theyre gonna have to start writing his Intelligence Briefings on a mirror. [ laughter and applause ] in fact, trumps aides arent the only ones concerned about trumps ability to stay focused. During this trip, trump will meet with leaders of nato, our most important military alliance. And according to a recent report, nato is scrambling to taylor its upcoming meeting to avoid taxing President Donald Trumps notoriously short attention span. The alliance is telling heads of state to limit talks to two to four minutes. [ laughter ] in fact, theyre presenting the information to trump on a placemat. [ laughter and applause ] so as he heads out, on his trip to meet the leaders of foreign nations, trump takes with him a cloud of suspicion and questions about his competence. The constant drum beat of scandal and chaos coming from this whitehouse is exhausting. Or to put it another way. Arent we tired of this stuff . [ laughter ] seth yeah, that sounds about right. This has been a closer look. [ cheers and applause ] well be back with ugh, no bars. 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Our first guest tonight is a twotime emmy and golden globe awardwinning actor who you know from his work on the Larry Sanders show, arrested development, and transparent. His new memoir, are you anybody is available in stores now. Please welcome back to the show, the always wonderful, jeffrey tambor, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] seth welcome back, friend. Thank you. Thank you. Its great to be here. Seth im so happy to have you here. Congratulations on this book. Thank you. Seth what made you youve had this incredibly successful career. Youve had a lot of opportunities i would think to sit back, and write a book. What made you think this was the time . When i was a young actor, i was on broadway, and it was preselfie stuff, and there was a seth there was a time before selfies. Wow. There was a time before cell phones. Seth wow. And this autograph seeker was outside and i came outside, i had three lines in the george c. Scott, sly fox. I came out, i had my 300 faux shammy sort of thing on with my hat, and he said, are you anybody . [ laughter ] and i said, i took thirty seconds, and i said, no. [ laughter ] and so i thought that would be a great entrance, plus i have four kids at home, twelve, ten, and two sevens. Seth two sevens and they have no idea what i do for a living. Seth really . No. They come to the set and im eating lunch. [ laughter ] so they tell their friends that, my daddy eats lunch for a living. Seth gosh. He eats lunch in a tent somewhere, yeah. Right, and so i thought i would write in my waning years, i would kind of write, and tell them what daddy does for a living, and what thats all about. Seth well because im as i go through those ages, im thinking the stuff that i am most familiar with you, transparent, arrested development, Larry Sanders. Those are maybe not perfect for their ages. What do they know you best from . Trolls. Seth okay. Great. [ light laughter ] and spongebob. Seth okay. [ light laughter ] and are they excited . Well hold on now. Theres a big i am the voice of the burrito on tv. [ laughter ] and thats a seth wow, thats a big deal. [ cheers and applause ] so when youre not eating lunch, youre voicing lunch . Im voicing lunch, and any character that comes on television with a low voice, they go like this is that you . [ laughter of this book is you let your children interview you. I did. Seth and its really adorable. Do you mind if we show a clip . I really do. Seth you just said you do. [ laughter ] seth but did what did you what sort of instruction did you give them. All right, go ahead. No, i just we just said interview me like its, you know, the seth meyers show. Seth okay great. So, this is from our home. Here we go. Seth all right, lets take a look. Does anybody know what i do for a living . You go, hey now. [ laughter ] no, no, i dont go, hey now. I did so on a show. Do you know what i do for a living . I have no idea what that means. What was it like to make your broadway debutt. [ laughter ] opposite acting legend, george c. Scott . Well george c. Scott, you dont know, was a very famous actor, he did patton, and i was very nervous making my debutt. [ laughter ] a debutt is hard. This is also my debutt making a book. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] arent they great . Seth yeah. Yeah. Seth i like that they all, even the twins sit completely different ways. Ones very upright. Ones a full sloucher. Right. Right. Seth yeah. I love that i actually i cant say. Why is may i ask a question . Seth sure. Its a little off topic, but why is there a nurse outside my dressing room . [ laughter ] well, i feel like this is something you worry about every time you come here. Ive tried to explain. Well, last year, she was further and now shes really close. [ laughter ] are you guys worried about me . Seth no. We have a nurse. We have to, being a show, we have to have a nurse on set. Really . Seth the nurse is here for everybody. She doesnt think that you are anymore at risk. [ light laughter ] oh, because the tetanus shot was real. Seth now wait yeah. Seth if she gave you a tetanus shot i already have one. Seth okay, im worried this wasnt the official nurse. [ laughter ] oh. Seth we do have like, sort of a prankster second. She had alcohol on her breath. [ light laughter ] seth okay, yeah, and yet you went along with the whole seth yeah, thats true. One of the things you talk about, some early stage fright before, even preacting, your bar mitzvah. Yes. Seth you were very concerned about your hebrew. I was high at my bar mitzvah. Seth you were high . [ laughter ] yes my mother seth but now, how did you get high . My mother said, are you nervous. I said, yes, of course, and she said, well heres a miltown, which is xanax. [ light laughter ] and, but i know what you are talking about. My cantor, Cantor Bornstein ate cottage cheese sandwiches and in the hebrew religion, its very guttural, and i would say, baruch, and he would say, no its baruch, and the cottage cheese would come [ audience groans ] by the end of my lesson, i looked like one of those ceilings in the valley. [ light laughter ] but i was high at my bar mitzvah. Seth wait, how did you . How quick . Did it work . Oh yeah, i was like flying. I was all, hey how are you . Hey. I got another tune for you. Seth wow. Yeah. [ laughter ] seth thats great, and did you feel it right away . Did the miltown go to work right away . It didnt. During the speech, i got i kind of went off. It was interesting. Yeah. [ laughter ] i kind of did like an ella fitzgerald, jerry lewis sort of seth got it. Did you enjoy your bar mitzvah . Did you enjoy going to other peoples bar mitzvahs . I was high at my bar mitzvah. [ laughter ] seth okay, but what about other ones, when you, when you were sober at other when you went to friends bar mitzvahs. Are you asking me if im happy at other peoples bar mitzvahs . Seth when you were 13. Yes. Seth did you have fun then. Now. Seth you didnt really. No, actually ive never told this, but i was so allergic to wool that at my own bar mitzvah, i put on flannel pajamas, and i put them under my wool suit. So it looked like i was well i was high from here up, and i looked like an elephant from here down. [ laughter ] it wasnt pretty, folks. Seth do you have you had a cause i guess your twelveyearold is he in a world where its going to or, or the twelveyearolds a girl or a boy . Lets see, he is a boy. Seth okay, gotcha. So are you going to have to as a parent, start going to a bunch of bar mitzvahs, do you think . No. Seth okay, youre not going to go . No. [ laughter ] i have miltown at home. [ laughter ] seth you talk about your career, and its very exciting. You talk about a lot of your highs. You were [ laughter ] well, now were back on highs. [ cheers and applause ] oh. Before i get to that, i want to im very impressed with this. What . Seth i did not realize you own a book store in l. A. . I do. Skylight bookstore in los angeles, and get this, bucket list time. Im reading my book, are you anybody at my own Book Store Next week. Seth how thats fantastic. How old how long have you doesnt that merit applause . [ cheers and applause ] i love that i said merit, applause. Seth well, you are a book store owner. Youre very right, i have to say merit. Seth you use big words. Yeah. I dont do this lightly. I have to tell you, im 72 years old. My days are limited. I want my kids to know what the heck is going on while this actor Walking Around their house mumbling these lines, and i want them to know what the proccess seth and you have a lot that they should be very proud of, and one of the things, which i did not realize is that you were the first actor to say the cword on television. How do you know that . I was. Yes. On the gary theyre applauding theyre applauding the cword. Seth wouldnt give it up for your book store . [ light laughter ] unbelievable. Seth the bookstore, they were hands in lap. This audience. Where did you get them . [ laughter ] seth yeah, yeah. Theyre a yeah, i said it in the Garry Schandling show and he you know, garry was a he loved mistakes, and he loved error, and the line was bitch, about his wife, i said the cword during rehearsal, and he said, lets go. Lets go on the air. Seth really . Yeah. Seth and so and that was did you know him . Seth no, i never met i passed him at a couple parties, and said hello real quickly. Do you miss him. You must just miss him terribly. I miss him terribly. Yeah. Seth where was the last when was the last time you saw him . I saw him in santa montica. We had lunch with judd apatow. He and i and he and i went and sat out in santa montica, and we just we just i loved him. He was there was you know. He gave me my big break, and i now work with jill soloway, whos another you know, and a great, great alchemist, great director, and i dont know if you know it, but arrested Development Just got picked up. Seth congratulations. [ cheers and applause ] another fantastic show. So go figure that this actor, this writer gets to do arrested development, and transparent, maura pfefferman, the role of my life. Seth yeah, well, i it always strikes me that everytime i see you that youve been in three alltime shows. Its an incredible i would take one of them. Did you notice this . Seth no, what is that for . I have no idea. Seth okay. [ laughter ] eli, made sure that. Eli, thank you. Thats my son. Seth oh, thats lovely. Yeah. Seth all right, well, look. You obviously have good kids. [ cheers and applause ] thank you. Seth youve got good kids. And you have a oneyearold. Seth i have a oneyearold too. Yeah. Seth yeah. Theyre seth im so glad you wrote this. He or she. Seth he. Sleeps through the night . Seth he does okay. Seth he does, and im so glad you wrote this. Because i always wan [ laughter ] thank you. Seth you are very welcome. Jeffrey tambor, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] are you anybody . In stores now, and you can find my exclusive chat with jeffrey on late nights facebook page, because were going to keep talking. Well be back with Debra Messing. [ cheers and applause ] im at higher risk fore as depression. Ave a stroke. Im 26 more likely to develop an irregular heartbeat. I have a 65 higher chance of developing diabetes. No matter who we are, these diseases can be managed or prevented when caught early on. Because with better research, the right medicine, and with doctors who help keep me healthy to begin with, [ cheers and applause ] seth welcome back, everybody. Our next guest is an emmyaward winning actress who will appear in abcs upcoming adaptation of dirty dancing airing next wednesday night at 8 00 p. M. Lets take a look. What about paris . Remember our honeymoon . Walking down the champselysees . Drinking vencrose at the bistro next to the hotel . Go to paris if you want. I have to put a request in at the hospital. How about a year from next christmas . We can bring the girls. That sounds wonderful. Seth please welcome back to the show Debra Messing, everybody [ cheers and applause ] hey. Seth thank you for being here. So lovely. Seth im very impressed with french. Are you a french speaker . So not. Seth so not. So not. Seth did you have to learn that stuff phonetically . Oh my god. Was it what is it . Seth yeah. I noticed right as you spoke french they cut they cut. Seth it just swung around. Literally, it was originally four words and i tried for a week. And i just went up to them the day of the shoot, im like, i cant say it. I cant do it. Seth just give me croissant. I said i could do i could do oui oui. Seth oui oui. [ light laughter ] [ speaking french ] oui oui. And then turn and youll be out of the scene. Thats all i got. Seth so was dirty dancing because the film came out, like i think 1987. Yup. Seth i think for people of our generation, it is an incredibly important film. Was it an important film for you . Oh my gosh, it was everything to me. Seth yeah. I mean, i remember sitting in the theater with my mother. Shs and i just fell in love. And i just saw her and i was like, im baby. Im baby. Im baby. Seth yeah. And, of course, of course, now i realize that every Single Person who has ever seen the film says, im baby. [ laughter ] but at the time seth yeah. I mean i was her age and i had curly kinky hair and i was, you know, quirky and not very, didnt have a very hollywoodlooking nose. And i was like, you know what, im just going to be in plays because there is nobody in movies who looks like me. And then baby. Seth and i got to be honest, i think a lot of people said it and they maybe werent right on the money. But we have an era picture of you. And you were pretty close. [ cheers and applause ] thats pretty baby. I mean, look at that hair. Seth yeah. I mean, and that took me two hours to control. Seth yeah. And just backlit hair. Backlit. Seth you put a light behind i put lip gloss to try and like make people look there instead of here. You know. Seth i for me that movie was very troubling, because every i felt like every time like if you had went on a date in that era, girls wanted to watch it. So youd like rent dirty dancing. Yes. Seth and it was such a bummer, because at that age i did not have a lot in common with patrick swayze. [ laughter ] there was a lot being offered in that movie that i was pretty confident i was not going to deliver in any way, shape, or form. Oh my god, he was hot seth and then hot and then could dance. And it was just. There was too much. And sing. Seth and sing. Shes like the wind. I mean, cmon. Seth yeah, i forgot about that part. Man. But all those songs are in it. Seth yeah. Oh thats great. And then you get to sing in it. I do. Seth were you nervous about that . I was so nervous and so excited. Seth yeah. Theyre like oh, by the way, you have to sing a solo. Im like what . [ light laughter ] and theyre like, no, everyone, the whole cast sings. Like theres gonna be, you know, an album. And i was like, all right, okay, im terrified, which means i have to do this. I have to do this. And so i took some singing new york. Seth you cancelled your you cancelled your french lessons. Cancelled everything. I said, no more french until i can do the singing and got ready and did it. And im pretty pretty proud of myself. Seth thats great. Well done. Im so thank you. [ cheers and applause ] seth to be noted, a little bit more story in this version. Yes. Seth theres a little bit more back story in your character, because its not a character that we know a ton about in this one. No, no. When i was sent it and they offered it, i was like, well, who was that character . Because it was so small in the film. But because this is an event movie, its more than an hourandahalf, which is how long the film was. So they built up the characters within the family and you learned so much more about the dynamics between the parents, themselves, and the kids. And its really its really interesting. Thats what made me want to do it. And the thing thats exciting is you find out what happened to baby and johnny after the summer ends. Seth wow. [ audience ohs ] in this version. Seth im guessing crime spree. [ laughter ] they go on a dancing crime spree. I cant wait to see that. I mean was that close . Was i close . You were very close. You got to watch. Seth i will watch. Something else im going to watch, it was announced this week, very exciting, will and grace is coming back. [ cheers and applause ] and whats that . Seth i know. We were talking back stage because theres now a trailer with a little clip and it was, watching it was great to realize how quickly as a viewer, how comfortable i felt seeing you guys all play those characters again. Was it fun once you got back in and started doing it, was it fun . Did you were you hesitant to do it . Oh my gosh. When we when we do that little skit, we were stunned at how fun it was, and we all looked around and megan was like, can you see this again . And then when it actually became real, my only concern was that i wanted to be assured that it was going to be it was going to be the show that we always did. Seth yeah. Funny as we could be, but you know, outrageous and provocative and talk about whats happening in pop culture and social, you know, things and political things. I mean, thats what the show always was. And i was like, if were going to do that, im in. Seth and so, is it safe to say the election had something to do with this show being back . [ light laughter ] absolutely. It did. Seth yeah. I mean, our show would not be coming back at all had we not come together to do that little skit. Because it was only by doing that skit that we realized that it was possible. I mean, its 11 years ago since the show ended. Literally in history its never happened that a cast has come back together after 11 years on prime time television. So it wasnt even in our minds or was a possibility. Seth sure. But because that little skit got seven million views, nbc, they were like, wait a second. [ light laughter ] maybe we should bring them back . And then, were like, okay, lets do this. Seth well, thats great. Because trumps victory has brought a lot of stuff back. Some of it from the 50s, and [ laughter ] its nice that something is coming back that im actually looking forward to. So thank you so much for that. Thank you. Seth thanks for being here. [ cheers and applause ] i cant wait to see dirty dancing. It is so great. Seth Debra Messing everybody. Dirty dancing airs on abc next wednesday, may 24th at 8 00pm. Well be right back with Michael Barbaro. [ cheers and applause ] you could spend days weeding through financial documents me. Or, you could push that button. [rocket launching] skip the paperwork and get a mortgage solution in minutes. Lift the burden of getting a home loan with Rocket Mortgage by quicken loans. [whisper rocket] introducing mcdonalds new like the pico guacamole signature crsandwich. Ipes. With guacamole made from hass avocados. Pico de gallo made with roma tomatoes. And served with a fresh lime wedge. On chicken or seared beef. 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Com Appointments Available now. [ cheers and applause ] seth our next guest is the managing editor and host of the New York Times fantastic podcast, the daily, which releases new episodes weekday morninings. Please welcome to the show [ cheers and applause ] seth how are you . Im really well, you know on our show we just have little plastic bottles of water. Plastic bottles, well thats the difference between on camera and the podcast. We need to make it look this mug has the name of your show on it. Its a mug, its a beautiful piece of ceramics. Note to self. Seth so, you started this podcast in april, is that about right . We started this podcast in february. Seth february. Okay, great. Im sorry. I have been listening. Never correct the host. Yeah, exactly, but i will say time has been sort of different. Its folding in on itself. Its been distorted. Seth was it your idea to do this podcast, how did it start . I wish it were my idea. Seth yeah. Now, it was the idea of very smart people that the New York Times went and hired from the world of audio who thought it would be a brilliant idea to take the engine that is the New York Times newsroom and transform ito powerful relationship with the journalists at the times, and your ears, and its been really successful, and its been so fun. Seth its been incredibly effective at that. For me as a listener. Its twenty minutes every morning. You get it up at 6 00 a. M. Yep. Seth and i feel as though we have a slightly similar problem now, which is our best laid plans often get thrown out of the window by whats happening with the trump administration. Has that been the case for you . Do you have to throw things out all the time . Oh yeah, i have become a professional writer of thank you emails that double as condolence letters to my colleagues because we have had to kill a segment. This president and his administration, they slay the best laid plans in journalism. And we are supposed to have the inside track to whats going on at the New York Times. The show is built around one or two big stories a day that were going to really layout in rich detail, we invest all this time and energy to it. And then at 6 00 the president fires his National Security adviser. Fires the director of the fbi. Bans travel from seven couns. We just have to blow it up. Seth you do have, of course, this incredible resource which is you have to apologize to this person. Then the expert on the thing that just happened is what just right down the hall basically . Yeah, one phone call away. So part of what we do on the show is we call my colleagues, wherever they are on earth. Seth and you record. You play the conversation . We play the conversation so that when they pick up the phone, and theyre still screaming at somebody yeah. We play it. We do that and its become such a recurring theme, and its really popular that we have occasionally skirted the line between what a reporter would want to us play and what we would want to play. So now what we occasionally do is, we capture people bickering, we capture somebody in a sort of foul mood. Well capture all these wonderful details. Youre in kinkos, you need to ask josh at kinkos if you can use the phone. Thats in the show. We now occasionally send that to the reporter, we say is this okay . Seth yeah. Usually usually seth yeah, one of my favorites is one of my favorites is recently because again, you were talking to them as the news is breakin work, and i remember one reporter saying, i got to go, somebody is giving me the stink eye, and its very clear. Is there a sense, are they excited to talk to you . Yes. Seth okay, all right good. They are absolutely excited. They are absolutely excited to talk to us until very suddenly theyre not because they have to file their story, or the editor is giving them a stink eye. Seth one of the things thats been great for me is you know, ive read these bylines over the years, now i feel like i am getting to know the reporters at the New York Times. Because you are hearing them. Seth you are hearing them, and youre getting to understand sort of, what i like about it is they all seem like incredibly reasonable people. I cant, im so sorry the New York Times is failing as badly as im hearing its failing. [ light laughter ] but it just doesnt seem fair. You know what, theres nothing fake about them. Seth yeah. When they are real. Seth did you know them all . Did you have a relationship with everybody . I have a relationship with about half of them. Seth gotcha. And the other i am dating, and courting, and cajoling all day long. Ive been a reporter at the timesr relationships, but nothing has helped me get to know the reporters at the times better than being on the phone with them all day long, and hearing them talk about the stories that they cover in a way that i never understood just how well they understood. I mean, these people live the journalism that theyre covering. Whether its isis, whether it is the economy, whether it is President Trump. The people i work with are extraordinary. Seth it is also extraordinary for me, because i read these things, and i will admit there are times where it becomes you know, its outside of what i understand and its hard to follow. Right. Seth and you realize, its such a nice thing to go along with the article, to listen to these people sort of talk about it in sort of more casual terms, helps you learn it. Yeah. Seth i feel a lot better, and you have done, this last week, i think, again, like us. You got caught up a lot. Is it Michael Schmidt . Is he the name of the writer . Michael schmidt, the world should know the name Michael Schmidt. Seth yeah. He sort of broke a lot of the stories this week, and so that was incredible. Wonderful work where you call people people outside the bubble. For lack of a better word you spoke to a coal miner . Thats right, exactly the right way to put it. Seth and it was really wonderful because you allowed this coal miner, you gave him the space to sort of talk about how much it means to him to have coal jobs come back, and even though we now know more about the Environmental Impact of coal, for this man, he was willing to go back in the mine the next day. How did that come about . How do you find someone like that . A colleague of mine had talked to this coal miner, his name was mark grey. He worked in southern kentucky in coal mines his whole career until coal mining started to fall apart as an industry. And i called him and i just wanted to put this enormous debate were all having as a country and as a world about environmental policy into a very human context. And as i began to talk to him he was so generous in inviting me to come to a coal mine and in recognizing that id never been to a coal mine, and i began to get qu and that all happened in the context of the episode. I would say i didnt just become a little emotional. I began to break down. Seth yeah. And in keeping with the way our show works, that all ran. Ill tell you, its not easy to keep asking someone questions when you are falling apart and kind of crying in the middle of the interview, but i managed to do it. Seth yeah. I thought the interview was a really powerful testament to to just letting someone talk, to just letting someone tell their story and this mans story was a story people think they understand in their heads. One way or another. They like the industries. They hate the industries. , but in listening to this guy talk, you very powerfully understood where he was coming from, and it reframed this debate that feels kind of distant and difficult to understand. Seth personally, i had that there are a lot of things i believe, i feel as though ive done the work to reach these conclusions and i do sometimes forget that it affects people in a negative way. So i thought it was just really lovely that you took the time. Thank you. Seth and i really do enjoy when you have people on, but again, as much as i never heard New York Times reporters talk before, i certainly have never heard a coal miner get to speak like that . So, you are recommending more miners, less times. Seth i guess just, yeah, basically. I think its the right amount of miner time, but when you reported, you have actually dealt with donald trump. You have interviewed him. Several times. Seth and what were your first interactions with him like . Because, is it safe to say that he is more charismatic on a one to one when hes dealing with a reporter than we would led to believe with his attacks on the press now . Oh, yes, absolutely. I first called donald trump when i was a city hall reporter at the New York Times. I wanted, this was a really noble investigative piece of journalism i was working on to know more about mayor Michael Bloombergs golf game. [ laughter ] so when are you desperate for a great quote in the mid2000s. You pick up the phone and you call realestate developer donald trump, and he answers immediately. And he got on and talked to me about Michael Bloombergs golf game, and it was easy and kind of wonderful to talk to him back then, and that continued on until the beginning of the campaign. I remember going to his office. I wanted to talk to him about twitter. Hes a master of twitter. So, i went to his office. He really wanted to talk about twitter. That was another thing. Can i talk to the candidate donald trump about twitter . Literally an hour later, im in trump tower, in his office. We were talking about twitter. He takes out his phone and he begins to show me with enormous excitement what happens when he sends a tweet, and as each and every retweet goes on, the ping, the ping, the ping, the dopamine is going up. Hes so excited. [ laughter ] and, by the way, if you get a lot of retweets, it is exciting. Seth yeah, it is. Yeah, i have been there, i have been there. You have a lot of followers, youve been there. Seth yeah, but still, you know, you always want more. [ laughter ] so that was another wonderful interview. Then the Campaign Goes on and on, and i was involved in a lot of more complicated investigative stories about the way he treated women as a business person and a human being and he then took that wonderful twitter feed that he loves so much and he called on me to resign. Seth yep. On twitter. So thats that relationship evolved. [ laughter ] seth when you oh, by the way, just to sort of circle back. Then he came to the New York Times Editorial Board at the end of the campaign. He was elected. Seth i remember, yeah. He shook my hands and he called New York Times a national jewel. So its just a little disorienting sometimes. Seth yeah. To kind of place him in his kind of ping pong journey between loving the press and unloving the press. Seth the fact that that ping pong game is being played with everything, not just the press. Theres pong balls everywhere. [ light laughter ] when you saw the tweet that he asked you to resign, did you have a momet of was it terror or was it joy . Because it wasnt joy. Seth it wasnt joy. See i think, when you think of it, the class you were in when he attacks you, you are now in meryl streep territory. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] and i think you should enjoy it because i think you e oh, thank you seth. Seth and keep up the good work. 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