The result of this election . I will look at it at the time. Im not looking at anything now. Ill look at it at the time. There is a tradition in this country in fact, one of the prides of this country is the peaceful transition of power. Are you saying youre not prepared now to commit to that principle . What im saying is that i will tell you at the time. Ill keep you in suspense, okay . Well, chris, let me respond to that, because thats horrifying. So, Donald Trumps saying when the vote is done, he may not accept it. One of the key things that he bases this on is the idea that he says the vote is being rigged, and he picks out places like philadelphia to say this is where its being rigged. What evidence he has, its not really clear. And speaking of evidence, lets talk about this people go to two places to talk about this issue, a loyola law study that was done and the Brennan Center for justice. The loyola law study, the professor looked at a billion votes going back to the year 2000. He found 31 that were questionable, so the evidence doesnt seem to be there, yet this idea, is it gathering purchase . Are there people who believe, no matter what you say, the evidence, that this vote is being rigged . I think theres people who would believe pretty much anything, if you find some subgroup of subgroup. But the fact of the matter is elections arent rigged. Thats why you have poll watchers. I chaired a Mayoral Campaign here in philadelphia. We made sure we had people at every spot. Its just its an incredible disservice, first of all, to the country, okay . And i have voted for a republican for president every year since 1976 when i was 19 years old, so. On the other side of it, too, its so foolish for him from a marketing perspective. To win he has his base, he has to get 50 plus one more vote, and to do that, he has to not play into the stereotypical that hes out of control, that hes divisive, that he shouldnt have his finger on the nuclear button, and this is what hes kind of emphasizing again and again and again. Well, trump im sorry. No, no. Go. Trump never lets the truth stand in the way of what he wants to say. This is a man who is barely acquainted with facts and makes broad, bold statements based on nothing to little. Its just that thats sort of his orientation. And to pick up on what brian was saying about poll watchers theres a system in pennsylvania, if you want to make sure that your candidate is protected, you file a pollwatching certificate, and you show up, and it gives you broader latitude. Thats not happening in pennsylvania. There is no trump campaign. There is trump. And so its really dangerous what hes doing. But, christine, i want to come to a point with you on this. We saw a Bipartisan Group of leaders darrell clarke, al schmidt, whos a republican, David Thornburgh from the committee of seventy, come out and say this is ridiculous, not going to happen. Yet there is the perception in philadelphia people talk about philadelphia corruption all the time, so how do voters play out with those two ideas on election day . Well, you know and to piggyback on what donna and brian said the facts are not there. You have these Public Officials coming out and clearly stating, basically echoing what you said, there is an infinitesimal instance of actual fraud. Theres more of an instance of Voter Suppression then there is of voter fraud. But i want to say one thing. The optics of the problem here, because you can its sort of like whisper down the lane. Youll Say Something, and itll get bigger and bigger and bigger, and people have this generalized idea of fraud. You know, i do immigration law, and i do a good bit of asylum. And in the past three weeks, i have had three cases of individuals who are seeking asylum based on political persecution from countries where there really are rigged elections, and the result of that is that you get a oneway ticket to jail or worse. So, what trump has done is offensive to me personally, and at a larger level, in attacking the foundational principle of our system, the freedom of the franchise. Ajay, trump is also saying go out to the polls, you know, go and be the eyes and ears, which there are designated people who are supposed to do that. Theyre not prepared for just average people to show up and do that. What could we be seeing in philadelphia and in the suburbs and all around our region on election day . I think donald trump is the kind of guy who starts a fire and then organizes a search party to find the arsonist. [ laughter ] so, the comments that hes making right now about the rigged election and potential implied threats against an institutionalized rigging of election, thats a dog whistle, dog whistle to a base that is its lighting a match next to a powder keg. Where we do have institutionalized evidence of election rigging, its growing states, especially in the jim crow south, where we have voter i. D. Laws, where you have elimination of early voting, disenfranchisement of felons, where you have targeted groups where the suppression of vote is evident. That is not what donald trump is talking about. What he is suggesting instead is, you know, lets make the election a bit more difficult for those who in a different way, intimidation, where it makes it difficult for people to come out and vote. Do we need to worry about the overall issue, not just if he comes out the day after the election and says, i dont accept it, but if people who were voting for him say, this is what were based on. My guy didnt win, but i accept it. Will people come out and say, i dont accept it . Will we see any sort of armed violence in the wake of this . Well, god forbid thats the case, and i feel like and Hillary Clinton herself is such a flawed candidate in so many ways, but you feel like at least you can, perhaps, measure the downside with her. You know, the arkansas values, the is is, all that sort of stuff. But with him, it seems immeasurable. It is even trumps daughter said that he should concede. His Campaign Manager said he should concede the race if he loses. His running mate. His running mate. But will we see violence . Will we see people what will we see here if people say, we dont accept the results . I think theres a chance of seeing some violence. My hope, also, is that there is, after this is over theres such disgust among republicans and democrats, that theres gonna be a certain kind of post9 11 lets find ways to work together. A level of healing that that needs to be had. Yeah, lets find ways to work together. You know, the people who are supporting trump say, well, you know, theres precedent for this with al gore completely different situation, and, you know, its apples and oranges. So there really is no precedent for what he did. Well, lets talk about what can make the difference, cause many people say if the vote is big enough, these augments wont hold. We see trump and clinton in our region this weekend. Why . Because of philadelphias suburbs. Theyre trying to get those voters. This was fascinating to me. Bloomberg did a poll after the access Hollywood Tape came out. His support they said 80 of the people in the suburbs were bothered, that women, it was 67 to 24 67 clinton, 24 trump. It collapsed on him. Overall, 59 to 31 . Can he get back those philadelphia suburbs . Did he do what he needed to do with women in particular in that debate . Answering the question about the tape, talking about abortion. Did he do anything . Those women are not coming back. Theyre not coming back. I think suburban republican women gave him every chance to make the case, and all of his advisers have been saying even president obama this week said, stop whining. Go make your case about why people should be for you. Thats the advice hes been getting consistently, and he hasnt done it. Instead, a case has been made about him as opposed to the case he was making for him. The last election, the four counties surrounding philadelphia 22 . That was overall in pennsylvania in terms of election count. The women disadvantage for donald trump is 43 , as you just pointed out. Without the women, he doesnt have a pathway to win pennsylvania. And i think the words nasty woman was the last nail in the coffin. I was going to ask about that. It was the last straw. The tshirts that ive seen online, there was one that said namaste the nasty woman [ laughter ] people are having a ball. Not a puppet. No puppet. Yeah, i mean, it the suburban women around here that could vote for a republican are tom ridge, the folks who vote for congressman pat meehan theyre those kinds of folks, conservative on certain issues, but also commonsense kind of conservatives, not crazed, letmegetagun kind of conservatives. Christine, i thought it was interesting when they got on abortion that he went to lateterm abortion, a grisly procedure, and that maybe that was a way to try to pull back singleissue women. Its tricky, because were talking about less than 1 of abortions. Did he make up any room on that issue . I think well, you know actually, when i was watching the debate and i heard him talking about it because it was such a contrast, with what Hillary Clinton had just said i mean, she had a fullthroated support for abortion rights across the board. So i was kind of rooting for him to come out and Say Something that was a little bit more subtle and honed and saying, you know, were gonna revisit this. But his attack on partialbirth abortion, on lateterm abortion, was a bit too gross when he talked about pulling the baby out of the woman. I think of it that way, but i dont think it actually appealed to suggestible women, women who were on the edge. But can i say one thing about the nasty woman thing . All right. Yeah. There are a lot of people who were turned off by that, but i really think it underestimates the intelligence of the American Woman and the suburban woman to say that because he said that, thats gonna trigger something in them and say, he disrespects us. If theyre still with him after Everything Else that happened, calling hillary a nasty woman is not but its women on the fence who ive been called a lot worse than nasty. Except it was in proximity. I think it was more about the women on the fence who were trying to make a call. Did he tip them one way or the other with Something Like that . Lets talk about another race thats being affected pat toomey. Theyre not talking about the issues, theyre talking about, pat toomey, are you or are you not going to vote for donald trump . 6abc hosting a debate tomorrow night, the final debate between him and katie mcginty. Tight race. Quinnipiac has him up by four points. Its closing. He had been by six a week ago. Does he need to come out and answer this question as she calls him fraidypat . No, i dont think he does. I mean, hes trying to obviously keep all the trump support he can get, at the same time, because if youre gonna vote for pat toomey or mcginty, you should look at his record, not one thing who he might vote for in an election booth two weeks later. So, i mean, i can see her trying to, you know, strap him to trump, but hes not wrong to play it the way he is. And i think its look, i think a lot of people think the safest outcome for the country is perhaps Hillary Clinton getting elected but keeping the house and senate republican, a certain sense of the status quo, if you will, and we can get through this without having craziness. Do you agree that he could say, i decry what hes saying, i decry what hes doing, but i cant tell you how im gonna vote . Yeah, i have a problem with that, because i think that people that adopt that posture are basically saying, i dont have any responsibility for this outcome, so im not gonna tell you what i mean, i dont care that you tell me or you dont, but i think you have to face facts. The only thing standing between donald trump and the white house is Hillary Clinton. That is a fact. There is nothing else that will stop him from being president. So, people have to reconcile themselves to that. I think, one, voter turnout will matter. And, two on both sides, whether it is bold denouncing of donald trump, which pat toomey has failed to do, whether that will affect a handful of independents. That will matter. But also the unforced, attentiongrabbing errors that you know, the really confusing errors that the mcginty campaign has made, whether its the endorsement for the police. Right. All of those things have not died yet, and if that continues to sort of have traction until the last day of the election, that could also be a tipping point. Its also gotten so nasty. I wonder if people can cut through a million ads every time you go to commercial. Yeah, yeah. Doing my hair in the room we were in the room, and three toomey three antitoomey ads came on. My thing is this, and i think brian actually touched upon it. This is an election about who we are going to have in the senate, and the balance of power in the senate. Its not about what one man, what one vote will be, of one man. And the thing and ajay actually referenced it, too the problem i see with mcgintys campaign is that she hasnt been focusing on her assets. Shes been sort of obsessed with having pat toomey distance himself from this candidate. Do people think about balance of power when they vote . Do they think, i want a democrat here and a republican there . You know, theres been a trend away from. Of ticket splitting. Of ticket splitting. I think this election could change that, because i think theres because people are unhappy with the choices, they want to go someplace else. I think a lot of people are gonna vote for hillary that are not happy about it. I hear it from my republican friends who are very forthcoming in saying, im gonna vote for her. But theyll vote republican down the ticket. Yes, but i think theyre gonna ticketsplit all the way down. On monday, tomorrow, Kathleen Kane is supposed to be sentenced. Prosecutors are saying they want what theyre calling a significant and stiff sentence. This could go up to 12 to 24 years. Her attorneys are saying she has covered herself in disgrace. Shes been embarrassed. Shes got two boys that need her. Shes already been punished. Can we go for probation . Very different ideas. How should the judge rule . I cant belive im saying this, because ive spent a couple of years criticizing Kathleen Kane, but i think probation or house arrest, because i truly do believe that the message has been sent. I think that she has paid the price in the sense that she is ruined forever. She will never be able to hold public office. She probably wont be able to have a job outside of chickfila. Or practice law. So or practice law. So i think that i mean, i have been against her from the very from the first moment when she didnt defend doma, but i think its time to just walk away and give her house arrest, give her probation, and let her sink into the anonymity we so deserve, we deserve. Youre a lawyer, as well. How do you think the judge should look at this . Well, not as a lawyer. I tip the scale in favor of mercy if possible, and i think to the extent that we can be merciful, we ought to be. Has she made the job easy for the judge . Probably not, especially because of her posture on her way out. Look, her legacy will be that she debased a judaical system in pennsylvania that was doing just fine debasing itself. [ laughter ] quickly, brian. Other politicians have done some level of time when theyve committed crimes, and i think were looking at chaka fattah and others, as well. And i think you know, im not saying 12 years, but something to be treated fairly with other people who commit these same sort of crimes. Some sort of time. Yeah. But because we are revisiting sentencing. Yes. We need to think about it in that context. All right. So we, quickly, have to go to a commercial. Well be right back for more inside story. Inside story is presented by temple university. Remarkable change isnt easy, but for those who take charge, it comes naturally. Explore temples impact. Visit temple. Edu impact. Fios is not cable. Were wired differently. So we wired the wagners house with 100 meg internet. Which means in the time it takes mr. Wagner to pour a 20 oz. Cup of coffee, tommy can download 30 songs, and jan can upload 120 photos. 12 seconds. Thats the power of fiber optics. This is your last chance to get super fast 100meg internet, tv and phone for just 69. 99 per month online. Hurry, our best offer ever ends soon. Only from fios. Ive always taken on the status quo. In harrisburg, they didnt like it when i stopped their perks and pushed for reform. As head of pennsylvanias thirdlargest county, i cut out wall street middlemen to protect pensions. Now, as chairman of the Pennsylvania Commission on crime, im leading the fight to stop the epidemic of heroin and opioid abuse. As attorney general, ill prosecute anyone who scams our seniors. And ill hold the oil and Gas Companies accountable to keep our Drinking Water safe. Im josh shapiro. Ill be an attorney general who always fights for you. Welcome back to inside story. Lets take a turn and talk about an argument thats going on around the d. A. s office. So, the Supreme Court came out and said, retroactively, as well, juveniles cannot be sentenced to life without parole. Youve got to go back and look at these cases. Thats about 300 cases in philadelphia. A former prosecutor is attacking d. A. Seth williams over a case of two boys who he says, they shouldve gotten a light sentence. They made bad decisions. They were involved in a drughouse murder. If theyd been smart, he says they wouldve gotten eight years. Instead, they did something that got them more. Theyve served almost 30 years. Williams is coming out and saying, i will only offer on all of these cases 35 to life, and hes saying, this is crazy. Why are we doing it this way . Who is right in this case . I think the whole phenomena of reexamining sentencing across the board i mean, this is a national phenomena. We had president obama, for the very first time, visit a federal penitentiary. Hes commuting sentences of people that have been unfairly sentenced, and i think thats the right thing to do. We need to change the mindset of we lock up more people in this country than any other country in the world, including dictatorships. I mean, thats a frightening prospect. So we got to revisit this broadly, and it begins with these individual cases. Seth williams having a tough time across the board in a number of places. And on this case, a district judge came out and got really angry and said, youre just offering these sentences to make yourself look good. Thats something you should take to heart that that does not sound good to the public and hes trying to run for reelection when a judge says, youre just doing this to try to make yourself look good. I think, you know i agree with everything that donna said, and what youre saying is actually the cherry on the top of this, because i think seth is in a desperate situation, and he wants to look good. Again, the optics are important. I felt the same way when he indicated that he was going to yet again prosecute monsignor lynn. Regardless of what you think about the substance of that case, the Supreme Court and the superior court kicked that case back down, and he is going to use taxpayer money to go after it. So, its all about the way it looks. You know, brian and ajay, i was a little surprised when seth was first running. I did some events with him, and he talked about changing the way that we do judging and policing, more back in the community, lets try to get people out of jail, lets try to get them back on the track for life. Its a little surprising to see him have this sort of stance, a lot of hardline stances, because it didnt seem to sort of jibe with who i thought i was hearing when he first started running. Well, people do Different Things for political reasons, and it would be unfair to sort of go inside his head and explain why hes doing what hes doing. But, going back to the original topic, which is, is there a difference between minors and the way, biologically, their mind works and their ability to change the pathway and to lead Productive Lives later . Yes. Theres a difference, with exceptions where theres egregious, egregious crimes, where we have to create exceptions. If there is an opportunity to bring them back, to rehabilitate, why not do it . Because there are biological its hard to prune a tree, but you can still prune something that is still growing. Yeah, its a casebycase basis. I do think there are too many people, though, in jails across the country because of drug addiction, effectively. You know, theres people who are going away, and were filling our instead of helping these people get some kind of treatment to get through the process and thats part of it. As it relates to you really do have to look at it on a casebycase basis, cause not every 16yearold who murders somebody should just get 30 years. Some of them are youd have to look at each and every one. And i dont think it should be a blanket, if youre under 18, were releasing everybody. But you got to look at them. The pew center came out with a poll asking people, what are you most concerned about . Last year, when we were in the middle of an election and we were talking about education, they said education. This year, surprisingly, to the people that did the study, they said public safety. Even though, in general, most crimes are down murders are about 4 up and there was a divide. We saw people who were lowerincome and minorities especially saying, were worried about this, while people who were white, living in more middleclass neighborhoods, said that they were not. What does this study really tell us thats important . I think one portion shows that bill hite is doing a good job, as it relates to the education. cause i think that has been less of a burner issue. So then you start to say, well, education all right, i feel like thats heading in the right direction. Whats next . Crime, i guess. So, i mean, i do think theres part of that. And certainly, things like this past week, the shooting in Rittenhouse Square at 9 30 at night, makes you realize that even in the safest areas of the city, theres all kinds of danger. But to your point, entrenched poverty, lack of opportunity, and crime go handinhand. So especially those of color who live in disproportionately more entrenched poverty, they feel more the effects of the fear and the danger that comes with crime. Education is a bulwark against longterm crime and fear, and its also a doorway to opportunity and a path away from danger, and i think it has to be a holistic approach prek, access to opportunity, making feel comfortable with police, where police are seen more as helpful, as opposed to people feeling attacked in a police state. All of those things, holistically, have to change, and i think mayor kenney and others in philadelphia its a national movement. Were trying to do that in a much larger environment where people feel safe in their own neighborhoods. In many of these lowincome neighborhoods, you feel just as afraid as though you would live in palestine or in syria. Whether its a bomb falling or whether its a gunshot, its the same thing. You still die. It was interesting. Commissioner ross response wasnt to say that the numbers dont bear it out. It was to say, thats how people feel, and thats what we need to address. Right, right. Great response. All right, well, were going to take another short break, and well come back to our insiders inside stories of the week. Pat toomey and donald trump theyre just wrong for the women of pennsylvania. New fallout for donald trump. Should a woman be punished for having an abortion . There has to be some form of punishment. For the woman . Yeah, there has to be some form. I would support legislation in pennsylvania that would ban abortion, and i would suggest we have penalties for doctors who perform them. Pat toomey and donald trump theyre not for you. Priorities usa action is responsible for the content of this advertising. Pat toomey and donald trump theyre just wrong for the women of pennsylvania. New fallout for donald trump. Should a woman be punshied for having an abortion . There has to be some form of punishment. For the woman . Yeah, there has to be some form. I would support legislation in pennsylvania that would ban abortion and i would suggest that we have penalties for doctors who perform them. Pat toomey and donald trump theyre not for you. Senate majority pac is responsible for the content of this advertising. Inside story is presented by temple university. Remarkable change isnt easy, but for those who take charge, it comes naturally. Explore temples impact. Visit temple. Edu impact. Welcome back to inside story. Time for our insiders stories of the week. Ajay, well start with you. Tamala, were talking about disparities in income. In lowincome neighborhoods, when you look at certain zip codes, the Life Expectancy is 60. In zip codes like where i live, its 80. Chop has a great approach to change Population Health overall by going into the neighborhoods and teaching them how to cook. In many families, other than fast food, theyve never actually cut vegetables and cooked, and thats a great way to improve overall health. All right, brian. Another happy story in the city of chester, which at times is a very difficult place to live. Theres a School CalledDrexel Neumann academy. 10 years ago, it was founded. Mostly 90 of the kids noncatholic, most from very difficult situations. Congratulations to sister Maggie Gannon and sister Cathy Mcgowan for really breaking the ribbon and doing something great for a bunch of kids. Love it. Donna. So, the first weekend in november, the weekend right before the election, when i think people are just gonna be emotionally spent, having been through this election season, theres gonna be something really fun, interesting, and cool going on at Thomas Jefferson university. Independence blue cross and jefferson have joined forces, and were doing the second hackathon, and it is it is a knockdown, dragout funfilled weekend of people generating ideas that may become new companies or Licensing Agreements or just things that improve peoples lives and health. All right, christine, well end with you. Tam, sad story on the main line. Lets hope it has a happy resolution. Headmaster of the Haverford School, where i used to teach, john nagl, amazing man, was charged with simple assault after disciplining his young son. He was suspended from the school. The d. A. From Delaware County stepped up and decided to drop charges. He saw this as the normal concern of a father for a child. Lets hope that the Haverford School does the same and brings this good back man. Good man back. All right, thanks to all of you, and thank you to you for joining us. Thats inside story for this week, and, of course, well see you back here next sunday. Im tamala edwards. Thanks again. Im nydia han along with gray hall. Coming up next on action news, pennsylvania is in the political spotlight, last night Hillary Clinton and tim kaine campaigned here today. His wife is in town. A fastmoving fire leaves a woman in Port Richmond fighting for her life. Eagles face off against old teammate sam bradford. Those stories next on action news. Even after trump bragged about sexually assaulting women, toomey stood by him. On Womens Health both trump and toomey would defund planned parenthood. On abortion trump there has to be some form of punishment toomey i would suggest that we have penalties for doctors who perform them. Pat toomey and donald trump too dangerous for pennsylvania women. Good afternoon it is sunday october 23. Im nydia han along with gray hall. Heres some of the stories were following on action news, both donald trump and Hillary Clinton continue to press for votes in the keystone state as