It, and thats why she won. Were you surprised . No, not really, because i know the party, i think, hates joe sestak. The fetterman guy, i thought, ive interviewed, was gonna do better, the guy from western pennsylvania. And he and sestak are the same. And i saw a stat where you would go through a week, almost every one of us saw 30 Katie Mcginty ads during those last couple weeks. Right. Thats a heck of a lot. And she is someone innocuous, somebody that you wouldnt have a negative toward, so it doesnt surprise me. But the scope of victory was a little bit high, yeah. And it was really, also, organizational, nelson. Boots on the ground. Getting out the vote is key, as we all know. Yeah, i think one of the things that people dont realize is marcel groen, who was the chairman of the Montgomery County party, is now the chairman of the Pennsylvania Democratic party. And hes an incredible leader. He changed Montgomery County. Shapiro, obviously. And in addition to that, they had the president. So, everywhere the president was and everywhere marcel was, the combination of that, i think, was a big difference in terms of the election. The president campaigned, and they brought so much money. The dscc, which is the Democratic Senate committee, put a lot of money. The womens group put a lot of money. Yeah, emilys list. Emilys list put a lot of money in, as well. But a week before the election, joe sestak was ahead. And it wasnt a flipped margin very close. It was a pretty sizeable lead. Well, it shows, then, that maybe her polling wasnt that great. I mean, i think the race started to turn in march, when the president and the Vice President came out for her, when womens organizations were very solidly in her corner. And then, as nelson, i think, and everyone else said, then the democratic establishment worked very, very hard to make sure that she had the support that she needed on the ground. And was it also a matter of gender, though . Shes the only woman on the stage. Three other men. Hillarys at the top of the ticket for the democrats. I think it was more that, if you were gonna defy the party and vote against the party and resist all the commercials and all the money that was being spent, the problem was you had too many choices. That was joe sestaks problem. He was right to oppose this fourthcandidate, vodvarka, and try to keep him off the ballot, because vodvarka got 6 of the vote, more than 80,000 votes, that might otherwise have gone to the other nonestablishment candidate. And fetterman 20 . Fetterman did really well. So, the problem was, if you were gonna vote against the establishment party, you had too many choices out there, and sestak paid the price. Katie mcginty did come from behind, but she had that advantage of having the split opposition. How much irony does anybody see that in 2010, sestak was hurt by low voter turnout, this time hes hurt by high voter turnout . Well, and i think the toomey camp, i cant say inside, but i think sestak is a much tougher competitor than mcginty. I know the year of the woman. I know all that stuff. She was propped up in this. And when shes in the ring with toomey, sestak was able to handle that, and that was a really, really close election the last time. Well, then toomey must be feeling really great because she won. I think shes gonna be absolutely a formidable candidate. I think, number one, as we know in pennsylvania, there are no women in the delegation, either at the senate level or in congress. And i think thats gonna play really well, and i think turnouts gonna be very, very high. I think shes gonna be extremely competitive, and i think senator toomey is really gonna have a candidate to work with. I think sharmain is pretty correct, because youre gonna also have the tail effect, with hillary being in the front of the ticket versus trump being in the front of the ticket. Trump has been an antiwoman issue. Hillary, being prowomen, will bring a lot of women out to vote. And as you know, theres more women that vote in the state than men. Right. Well, i would say, though, that trump might put pennsylvania in play with these reagan democrats and union types. And just the swell of people that came out in the suburbs around here to vote for trump was just shocking to me, really. Let me just say, this was a really tough loss for joe sestak, whos been working on this race for six years. Right. Ever since he got edged out by senator toomey. So, its been a long road for him, probably definitively the end of the road, i think. I wouldnt say that. Look how important the machine is. Yeah. Because she came in last when she ran for governor. Right. And she comes in first when she runs for the senate. When youve got the rendell, the johnny docs, and the all of the party officials, including northwest, where she got 11 of the vote out of the northwest, which is where the congressional race was decided. When you look at all of that and you know better about the northwest than i do. [ chuckles ]. You will see that it is the change. Right. All right, lets move on to talk about the chaka fattah loss. Its the end of an era, as we all know. An 11term congressman was unseated in the primary, as it were, by dwight evans. So, a win for dwight, of course. Well talk about both sides. But was anybody surprised that thats how it actually played out . Other people who have been indicted or accused of crimes have gone on to win reelection in other cities. I was a bit surprised, because i knew the pitch, and fattah has been in office since he was 26. Right. I know, ive interviewed him a hundred times. And i was surprised that it went that way. Dwights very formidable. You have the corruption allegations out there. Right. I still thought it would be very close, and he might eke it out. And whats interesting is, Lucien Blackwell was who chaka fattah replaced and unseated. Now he was unseated as well in a similar primary circumstance, and in that same union hall, as it turns out. Yeah, i think in the end, as i think i said early on, i think the voters have heard this story for so long. I mean, with his son being found guilty, and even and i want to say if, if, if. We have no idea what ultimately is gonna happen, and everyone is innocent until they go through a process. I do think, though, that people were just starting to get a little weary and a little sad. I wanted to see whether or not voters would be sad or mad. If they were mad, i thought the congressman had a good chance of being able to pull it off. I think they were more sad and weary about the argument, and he ended up having very little money to be able to get any kind of message out to the voters. And dwight was absolutely considered a really good, solid candidate who could replace him. So, despite that he lost his power on the Appropriations Committee five or six years ago, dwight evans seems to have found a new power source. Yeah, thats right. And interestingly enough, i thought this was interesting, evans is actually older than fattah. Couple years, yeah. So, the voters went for the older candidate, as opposed to when blackwell was upset. But i think sharmain is absolutely right, that fattahs problem has critically been money, and the lack of money. And so he was reduced to really doing retail politics this time around. Theres more than that. And it wasnt enough. Theres more than that, which essentially is that the party was not very aggressively supportive of fattah or some other candidates. Even though they claimed to be endorsing those candidates, they did not. And so there was some kind of a commitment by the party to. Dwight. Dwight evans. And a commitment to other people that obviously won the election that were not endorsed, like shapiro, who was not endorsed by the party. Right. And fattahs trial is coming up in just a couple weeks. I mean, i dont think it was any surprise mayor kenney came out for him, the governor came out for him. Dwight had been solid supporters there. Certainly, as nelson talks about, the northwest was solidly there, even though, in the 22nd ward, for those who know inside politics, a little part of mount airy, they were not, as an organization, supportive of him. But again, i think this whole issue of, number one, not having a person of color in the delegation in pennsylvania in 2016 was not acceptable. Right. All right, lets talk about the attorney generals race. Josh shapiro the winner. In fact, its gonna be, in the fall, two Montgomery County candidates, which will be interesting. John rafferty, as well, on the republican side. Again, someone with not much trial experience in a courtroom. But that did not seem to matter in the end to voters. And, jan, what did you make of his win . Well, i think shapiro scored a big victory. Rafferty should not be underestimated. He actually got more primary votes than shapiro did. So, i think its gonna be a tough race very much focused on Montgomery County. And they both were campaigning, as it were, at least in a shadowing sense, against kathleen kanes problems, her indictment and her upcoming criminal trial, and saying theyre gonna clean up that office and the dirty politics that have been alleged. Right. How much do you think thatll actually shape the race in the fall . It certainly did in the primary. Well, i think josh is a very attractive candidate, young man, and i think this is a stepping stone for the governors race. And to some extent, it was a test for him whether or not he has appeal statewide. And so this is the beginning of, i think, the joshstatehood relationship, and its a big win for him. Could have gone either way in the final analysis, though, because, actually, a couple of the other candidates, mr. Zappala, they were trying to get shapiro to concede and say he lost. Mmhmm. But obviously he waited and counted the votes, and he didnt lose at all. But zappala has the name recognition from his dad. Right. And shapiro, ive said on this show on my own, he has tremendous, to me, josh does, leadership out of Montgomery County, clean, not corrupt, and all that. And i dont know that you need to be a prosecutor after kathleen kane. Its not about that. Its about a guy who is organized, efficient, and has run a good job out there in Montgomery County. And he was everywhere. Right. You cant forget the president. His endorsement. The president came out for him. But he was everywhere. And he is one of the most likeable young politicians, i think, that are out. You see him a crowd, you see him talk to other people. Friendly. Right. Right. He gives almost sort of like that sort of clintonesque kind of thing when he first came out. You get the sense that hes really talking and listening to you. And he has some very interesting positions. I loved his position on education, where he talks about there being something wrong, legally, about how we Fund Education in this state. So i think he had good issues, and i think hes extremely likeable. And i do agree with you. I think it is possibly a stepping stone to the governor. All right. Lets talk about, on a National Level now, donald trump, Hillary Clinton. Both were key here in pennsylvania, hoping for all those delegates. Hillary won four of the five states on primary day, including pennsylvania, and donald trump, won five out of five. But it was the fact that he won in 67 counties. Wasnt that surprising to you guys . Im told he won every county in those five states. Right. Remarkable. So, i mean, it was completely unexpected. And its a demonstration of trumps appeal to the republican base. And where does he go now . Because although pennsylvania did matter, you know, a lot of folks would say that it wasnt a surprise that they both won here. They had been projected to. But what comes next is gonna be the key. Indiana is the alamo for ted cruz. And you put in a vp choice, and then you bring bobby knight in on the other side, this is heavy stakes. I think if cruz wins indiana, i dont think its over, though, because hes wellorganized in california. The takeaway i had from this election is not just trump. Its the Trump Supporters that ran for delegate. And a couple cruz people, outsider, beat the party, particularly in bucks county. Hm. Thats really hard to do, to become a delegate, which is critical, because theyre uncommitted when they head to cleveland. Absolutely. I think this was trumps super tuesday. I really do. I think its over. I think hes gonna win indiana. I think hes gonna win california. I looked at even some of the wards in philadelphia where there were small numbers of republicans, but even in the africanamerican wards, trump won the republican votes there. There is something about the appeal of this gentleman at this point that seems to be crossing a lot of barriers. We were talking a lot about the fact he was being he was attracting those without college educations. Well, that wasnt true on tuesday. Right. He was attracting people who made more money and people with a college education. I think its honestly, i think its Hillary Clinton and donald trump in november. And in pennsylvania in the fall, who will take the stage . Its typically been a clinton, obama win here, but it really is an interesting year where all bets are off about anything. Nelson. Well, you know, i was fascinated about the establishment, when boehner called him lucifer, and the fact that the establishment hates cruz even more than they hate trump, and they would be more satisfied with trump. So i think trump might be able to bring the party together, and i think weve got to be very careful on the democratic side. We may [stammering] nobody ever gave him a chance to win at all, and now hes winning the nomination. A lot of this depends on women. I know what the polling says, and i agree with the polling. The unfavorables for donald trump with women are worse than the unfavorables for hillary with men, which is very hard to imagine, but they are. Is that accurate, or will women vote some other way versus personality here with trump . And itll be shaped by the Republican National convention, coming to our area, of course. Trump has been underestimated at every stage of this campaign. And if you underestimate him at this point now its gonna turn against him. And so you simply cannot underestimate this guy. So, can he pull it out in ohio . Can he do it . I think he he certainly or will they change all the rules in the party . Hes certainly gonna be the nominee. Hes certainly gonna control the party thereafter. And i think its a new day for the republican party, with a new set of issues. And, you know, people have been saying, why do these Republican Voters keep voting against their own selfinterests . They keep voting, supporting the guys who want tax cuts for the rich, and who want to cut the benefits that working people need. And finally, the Republican Voters are saying, no more of that. Were not gonna do that. Were done. Were gonna support the guy who, among other things, says, im gonna protect your benefits. were not gonna cut government benefits. Social security is secure, right . Yeah, social security, medicare, are gonna be secure. And when hillarys here in july in philadelphia for the dnc, do you think there will be any surprises . Whos gonna be her running mate, for example . Well, thats a good question. Oh, thats a great question. I still dont picture elizabeth warren. Its more i could tell you the people that will not be. I always thought it was the castro brother that heads up hud, and i thought that was maybe Bernie Sanders . She would take those young people with her. Oh, can you imagine . Oh, my god. I can see that. The two unstop theres got to be some level of likability and compatibility, and i think you got to work well a little bit, so i cant picture it. But hillary is very, very much businesslike. She remembers al gore and bill clinton, who were kind of the same guy from the same moderate base, and how well that worked. All right. We should take a break. I think shell pick a liberal. Well have to wait and see. Were gonna take a break. Inside story continues after this. Its all democrats. Inside story is presented by Temple University. Remarkable change isnt easy, but for those who take charge, it comes naturally. Explore temples impact. Visit temple. Edu impact. Welcome back to inside story. Lets talk about Philadelphia City government oversight, and a couple of issues that have sprung up in the last couple days. Pgw is getting a new board, the philadelphia gas works. But theres some interesting questions about some approved secret retention bonuses. Any comment on that . Yeah, well, having been a member of the pgw board, what i can say is that this whole issue came about as a part of the sale process and not wanting to lose the executives. It was never meant to be anything, in my opinion, that was secret. Certainly, it was something that should be known, and something that should definitely be shared with the broader community, and the reasons for those decisions. And just a leftover of that sale. Marian tasco was not very happy about seeing those bonuses. Right. Shes back on the board. She was on the Gas Commission before that. Shes got her protege on the Gas Commission. So i think those bonuses are gonna be history. [ laughter ] all right, now lets talk about city controller alan butkovtiz, who did a review of the post office locally, the mailroom. Said a couple of years ago it was in disarray. Now says its 10 worse. According to him, this is his comment, that its not only disorganized, but that the workers are not doing the work. Theyre lazy. Those are all his comments. And what do you make of that, jan . Well, you know, i think where theres smoke, theres fire, so theres certainly some concern thats shared, i think, by a lot of people in City Government that things arent going out as quickly as they ought to be going out. But this is a fixable problem, and if the administration cant fix it, then theyre in bigger trouble than we think. All right. What will happen . It hasnt been fixed the first time that he cried foul. Now here we go. I predict, two years from now, well be doing a show, and youll ask that question, and well say the same thing. [ laughter ] itll be 20 worse. Yeah, 20 okay. Hopefully not. Exactly. All right. Lets talk about the medical marijuana issue that did pass in the state of pennsylvania. But some people still say there are pros and cons. Obviously helpful to people who have serious medical issues. You can certainly register for it if you have one of 17 conditions, get pills, oil, and ointments. Its not the smokeable kind. But what about people who get sort of trapped in the middle of that . There was one custody battle, for example, somebody had to take a drug test. They had a back pain, they take the medical marijuana. But they could have lost their children failing that drug test. So there are some downsides. Its always the devil in the details. And i think this is a good day for pennsylvania, and a lot of conservatives support this. The only downside is when people try to backdoor, as happened in california, and start to say, i have a headache. I ought to be able to get high. Thats where you get pushback. But isnt it amazing, there was not a lot of pushback on this. And i know the one guy, folmer, the senator, is very conservative, that helped to push this through. Think he was a cancer survivor. So, youre seeing people recognize, give people a choice. Get government out of the way of this. And you do have to have doctors permission. Theres very restrictive access. You know, for 17 specified grounds. And its not smokeable marijuana. Its, you know, ointments and liquids and pills. So, its you know, a lot of peoples concerns about rampant marijuana use leading to other things i think are addressed very carefully in this bill. Well, pennsylvanias not the first. Theres 24 states that have already done this. And people thought wed never get gambling because of the middle of the state. We got gambling. People thought wed never get marijuana, we got marijuana. I just think there is a changing in the attitudes, of understanding the medical benefits, and understanding we have to get revenue somehow. Revenue is a big issue in the state, and this is the best you see colorado. Colorados rich in revenue. We need some revenue, and i think thats part of it. I think the Big Questions gonna be, whats next . What are other conditions . You know, whats the next bill . How do we continue to relax, relax . I mean, this whole issue of ultimately trying to get to decriminalization, and ultimately legalization i think is still gonna be ongoing. I would predict, monica, just one quick thing. Well have legalized marijuana before the lcp goes out of business, though. [ laughter ] watch. Thats another prediction. Thatll be the next generations problem. Well, lets go back to one of the broader themes. Sort of a macro approach to what happened on election day. Really, i guess, the bottom line is, people running for president want to win the presidency, but they also want to have a congress that they can be part of, and not always be opposed to as weve had in a number of years recently. So, is the win for Katie Mcginty in the Senate Primary race one of the steps they hope toward, to see change in pennsylvania and across the country, to get one party sort of not in control of everything, but at least to have a favorable group . Oh, i think it was a big deal that theyre really fighting very hard, the democrats especially, to try to get a democratic majority in the senate. I mean, there are a lot of Big Decisions that need to be made around trade and around taxes. Supreme court. And the big topper is definitely the supreme court. And so i think its gonna be a huge fight. But, yes, i definitely think that makes a big difference. There are two states that are winnable. Florida has become a democratic state. You know, rubio is out. Hes not running. Right. And florida has a large puerto rican population, which has migrated out of puerto rico, and so the state has totally changed. So they know theyre gonna get florida. They know now they can get pennsylvania. So, theyre getting closer and closer to a majority in the senate. All right. And do you see a seat change in general now, as we have some changing faces on the tickets and a new generation, as it were, looking at medical marijuana and other issues that are passing that have been tried for years and failed . Well, i think the phenomenon of the year is donald trump, and i think that changes everything. He puts it in an entirely he spoke out this week about defending transgender people and their right to use whatever restroom they need to use. Hes never said a bad word about gay people as far as i can tell. So, hes a different kind of republican. I would say hes busy, though, badmouthing several other groups. I mean, he doesnt have time to badmouth gay people. All right, we have to wrap it up. Last quote. I would hope wed be getting past the culture wars. If theres any sort of Silver Lining in the donald trump cloud, which i still consider a cloud, i do think, if we can get past some of these cultural fights and really get back into, what does it mean to build an economy that is inclusive for everyone, and that we can Fund Education, that we can fix our roads and bridges and really make a difference for people . Well have to leave it at that. Thats the essence of trumps appeal. Nobody knows trump. All right. Were gonna have to wait and see. Inside stories coming your way right after this. Blinds to gos new cascade shades. Gentle diffused light when you want it. Darkened privacy when you dont. Modern elegance always. Right now take 30 off our entire selection of beautiful cascade shades. Let the sun shine in. Or dont. Its all good. Blinds to go. Blinds for life. Bgentle diffused light when you swant it. Darkened privacy when you dont. Modern elegance always. Right now take 30 off our entire selection of beautiful cascade shades. Let the sun shine in. Or dont. Its all good. Blinds to go. Blinds for life. Inside story is presented by Temple University. Remarkable change isnt easy, but for those who take charge, it comes naturally. Explore temples impact. Visit temple. Edu impact. Time for inside stories. And lets start with jan. With the emergence of trump and clinton as presumptive nominees for president , were gonna enter this campaign with a new thing. Immigration is gonna be a centerpiece of this campaign, with clinton doubling down on president obamas initiatives to stop deportations and widen the amnesty to a Broader Group of illegal immigrants. And trump obviously is gonna try and end ilLegal Immigration and limit even Legal Immigration going forward. The Obama Administration is worried about this. All right. Nelson. Ambassador Mari Carmen Aponte was the first puerto rican to pass the bar in pennsylvania. She will be given an honorary doctorate degree by Temple University this friday, which i will be participating in. In 150 years, she was the first ambassador ever from puerto rico. Terrific. All right. Dom. Well, im so happy that Bernie Sanders, while here, took the right position in my view, came out against the soda tax. Said its regressive, hurts the poor, et cetera. And now in the liberal blogosphere and new yorker magazine and others, monica, people have picked up on that, and theyre calling Bernie Sanders out. I think it gives energy to the antisoda tax. All right. Sharmain. Monica, we lost a great labor leader this week. Sam staten sr. , who was head of the Laborers Union here in philadelphia, really helped to build that union into a place for really good wages, and also for really good jobs, especially for people of color in our city. Thank you so much. And thats inside story for this week. We appreciate you watching. 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