Grandmother, fanny weinstein, who, at age 13, took me to my first civil rights march. She was a suffragette. She taught me how the family had fought to get out of europe during the pogroms. She talked about our family who struggled through the holocaust. She was a fighter. And she instilled that fight in me. But the book isnt all about that kind of sadness. Its full of stories of inside stories of philadelphia and patti labelle, elton john, and practically every politician that weve known for the last 20 years, including barack obama. You know them all, it seems, one way or the other. Ive met them all. Im the forrest gump, as you say. Lets talk about this. From the very beginning, you become famous. Any number of gay organizations out there, youre part of one called gay raiders. And you said, if we make a spectacle, they cant ignore us. So you start showing up at places the mike douglas show here at wpvi. You interrupt Walter Cronkite as hes doing the evening news. I think weve got some pictures that show what that looks like. But in the end, any number of these people that you stop Walter Cronkite, governor shapp, bob brady, john street people who often disagree with you to begin with you change how they feel about the issues, and they become your friends. And thats sort of surprising that they dont become your enemies. This guy interrupted what i was doing. They become friends. What lesson is that, in our divided politics, for the rest of us . Learn to talk to people. Learn to befriend them. If you have differences, talk with them. Ive always believed that the issue of lgbt rights is one of education, one of invisibility. We did the zaps starting in 1973 because lgbt people werent on tv. There were only three networks and pbs. At that time, there was no lgbt stories on tv. We never appeared on the news. And our reason for disrupting the cbs evening news with Walter Cronkite was hed never run a story on gay rights. And so the point was end invisibility. If you end invisibility, people will see who we are, and theyll begin to really support us. And thats what weve done here in philadelphia. Philadelphia is the most lgbtfriendly city in america. And speaking of philadelphia, you have some showdowns with various people councilman fran rafferty, even people at your mothers funeral. At various times, people come up and theyre incredibly nasty and you dont give it back. You just walk away. And i thought that that was interesting, that you engage, engage, engage, but not with that. No, you have to move on. Dont let the negative or bitterness be a part of your life. Theres joy out there. Try to accept it. Try to have it. I mean, the book and im gonna hold it up and then i danced is full of joy, at least i believe it is, because every battle that ive ever had with somebody ive at least gotten them over to the point where they appreciate the issue, and luckily for me, weve become friends. And somebody might look at the book, and most of those battles, mark, you win. And they would say, we just gay marriage is now the law of the land. And somebody said to you, if you compare where you started and you look at where you are now, is everything just peachy if youre gay in america . What would you tell people as they sit down to read your book . Well, as you mention, marriage equalitys the law of the land, but most people dont realize that in pennsylvania, it became law of the state one year before the Supreme Court ruled. The inside story of how that happened has never been told before, and its in the book. But im lucky. Standing outside stonewall in 1969, watching that riot go on, i was a poor guy who had went to new york, no money in my pocket, and with no prospects. I thought i had no future. And watching that unfold in front of me, all of a sudden, i realized even though there wasnt a word for it, i was gonna be a gay activist. And all the titles i have in my life right now, the one that you can call me which makes me the happiest is gay activist. What is the next big fight for gay america, would you say . Well, the point being that today you can get married anywhere in the united states, but in most united states, you could be fired for getting married. So nondiscrimination is the next battle. Here in pennsylvania, we have no nondiscrimination law. And finally, it sounds like of all the things youre proud of, and theres so many things youre proud of in the book, the Senior Center in philadelphia seems to mean the one that means the most to you, and it goes full circle back to your cousin norman. Cousin norman was thrown out of his house. Last time i saw him, he was a gay senior who was homeless. And my feeling is thats the first out generation. And unfortunately, we in the Gay Community are not taking care of our seniors. So that put me on the plight to try to open an lgbtfriendly senior home affordable home where lgbt seniors who were out way back in the 60s and 50s can afford to live with dignity. All right, well, mark segal, the book is called and then i danced. Thank you for coming to talk about it. Well take a short break, and then well be joined by our insiders. Inside story is presented by Temple University. Temple fuels students with academics and opportunities to take charge. Plugged into the city, powered by the world. Temple. Edu takecharge. Why are you here . Why are any of us here . Windows people windows are the eyes into the soul of the home ugly soul. [shutters] ugh dont make your life difficult. When your client needs blinds go to blinds to go. With the Largest Selection of beautiful blinds and shades custom sized and guaranteed for life theyre a designers best friend. Trust me, they make window decorating easy. Take during our early fallshad savings sale take 2030 off all cellular shades and cascade double shades. Welcome back. Im tamala edwards. Lets get going and introduce you to the insiders on inside story. First up, nia meeks, Communications Executive. Good morning. Foreign policy analyst ed turzanski. Good morning. Attorney jim eisenhower. Good morning, tamala. And Communications Executive jeff jubelirer. Good morning, tamala. Lets talk about the popes visit to philadelphia. We got so many kudos on the world stage. It was a beautiful event. The pope goes home, and then that monday, mayor nutter comes out to face the press and talk about was it a win or was it a loss . When you look at how things went, do you say it was a win for nutter or it was a loss for nutter in terms of what the event was and could have been . Well, its a win. I mean, you cant cry over the spilled milk, and there was plenty of milk out there that spilled. But when you look at the entire event, when you talk with the pilgrims, when you talk with the parishioners, when you look at how philadelphia came off and no one was hurt and i know that might seem like a really low bar, but its an incredibly important thing this was a fabulous event, and we havent had one since 1979. Completely different conditions on the ground today, as opposed to four decades ago. 911. You know, we take a claim on this one. Yes, there were some aspects of it that could have gone better. There were some messaging problems. There were the scared the people that were conflicting the sacred with actually the secular and thinking they should make a lot of money, not understanding that these are religious pilgrims coming to town. Theyre not wealthy. Theyre not rolling out to go to the bars and the restaurants. Theyre trying to take care of business. But overall, i mean, the city looked great across the world, and you cant get much better than that. I think this was a spectacular event. Tamala, you know i live downtown. I was locked in my apartment for three days, and all i did was watch this, so i probably got more knowledge of it than anybody. I thought it was just spectacular. I also walked down the parkway a couple different times. Great crowds. We have to get outside of our own heads sometimes. Ive been to huge political events. Ive been to huge rock concerts and other types of public events. And this was beyond that. This was an International Event in philadelphia in which our city looked fantastic. Lets talk about a couple of things that were raised. Former governor and mayor ed rendell saying he did think that they mayor went too far when it came to the security and the concerns that people had. We heard stories of pilgrims waiting five, six, seven hours, and by the time they got to the parkway, the mass was over. And there were a lot of those stories out there. The dnc is coming next summer. Is there a lesson here . Was that security just too much or badly done . A number of and ill generally agree with what nia and jim have said. Theres that old expression, two things you dont want to see made laws and sausages, right . Add to it events like this because there are many problems that eventually were worked through, and the lasting impression will be a good one. That having been said, there were some problems, and we had better bone up on them quickly. The restaurants took a real hit, as did hotels. That was probably avoidable in large part. And we can forgive the city because this is sui generis. Its just different than things that have happened before. But there are certainly improvements that can be made and need to be made if were going to be an International Convention destination city, which is what i think we want to be, we can be, but certainly, we have to be careful, especially when you ring the security bell. When you ring it loud, you cant unring it. And that scares people off. Going on to jeff because there was a Heated Exchange between the mayor and a reporter, and he said pretty much it was the medias fault, that they scared everybody. And a reporter yelled back, and so did you. Who was really at fault at the end for it was beautiful, but more people probably would have stayed in town and spent money and gone to those hotels and bars if they werent just convinced that they had to be scared. Yeah, and the media, and i think you would agree, being in the media, only report what theyre told. And time and time again, unfortunately and this probably came down through secret service, who had the ultimate responsibility for security. Lets be clear. There was a National Security event responsible for the safety of the pope that people were gonna have to walk a number of miles, that they should be treated perhaps like a winter storm. And then to say, well, i said it, but you reported it, time and time again. Last time i checked, media doesnt care if, all due respect, that the plane landed. They are more interested if the plane didnt land. The thing to remember, though, and i tell this to my friends in new york and washington, philadelphia was the only site that the pope did a large outdoor event. He did not do a large outdoor event in new york. Madison square garden is indoors. He did an indoor event in washington, at the capitol, at the cathedral. Nothing like that occurred in north america, other than here. So lets keep that in perspective. Lets talk about a couple of things that came out of the meeting here and have continued to be talked about the pope came out and talked about sexabuse victims. He met with some of them. He made very strong comments. And then on monday morning, archbishop Charles Chaput was asked about that. Lets listen in on some of what he had to say. It wasnt a publicity stunt. Theres a genuine interest on the part of the holy father to represent the whole church in expressing sadness and apology in the cases where theres sexual abuse by members of the church. And he sincerely meant that. Later in that press conference, though, archbishop chaput said, after he continued to get questions, we should get over wanting to go back and blame, blame, blame. So that made many people wonder for everything the pope said, what are we really going to see here in philadelphia in terms of changes or action . Well, there have been extraordinary changes. And at some point and this is not to denigrate in any way the suffering that people experienced. This is absolutely horrible. Its disgusting. It was an aberration. Thats what the archbishops trying to say. And at some point, you have to ask the question, with everything that the archdiocese has done, what else do you want to have happen . What is it . So tell us what you want so that we can move on. Because everyones life cannot just end at this point. There has to be recovery from this for the victims, certainly for the institution of the church. So at some point, this is really frustrating because this is an issue that never goes away, and theres never a sufficient answer. And i think you heard some of that frustration, and the archbishop is saying, weve done so many things. What else do you want . Heres my problem. And i understand that, as well, but sometime its how you say things versus what you say, and the pope is a great example of being a phenomenal communicator. Its how he says things. Its not that hes disagreeing. He agrees, im sure, on policy, of course, and chaput. But chaput he just couldnt help it. I get it. Its frustrating to be asked again and again and again. But you have to bite your tongue. You have to understand how that comes off if you say, enough. What else do you want us to do . You should be glad about it. Thats the lasting impression. Lets talk about another thing thats become a communications issue. We found out that the pope had met with kim davis when, the kentucky county clerk who was not going to sign marriage certificates for gay couples, that they met in washington d. C. And she claims the pope told her, be courageous, and gave the impression that he was in support of what she was doing. This morning, the vatican came out and said, no, thats not the case. It sounds as though she was one of many people that he met. He was not specifically commenting on her case. And in fact, somebody within the vatican says they now regret that the meeting happened. But it was interesting to me to watch the comments. There were so many people i love francis. I may go back to church. They saw this meeting well, maybe im not gonna go back to church. Now that we know the backstory on it, does the francis effect continue to take hold . Will those people come out . Or did it drop anchor for people who said, wait, he met with her. Thats it. Im not coming back . You know, if thats gonna be your marker, you werent gonna go back to church anyway because any least little thing will happen. Its like, oh, no the issue, again it gets to messaging. Had the vatican come out earlier on and said, you know, the holy father met with many people, including this person, because of this, and thats it, it would have been a oneday story. And not saying anything, its the same thing as what happened before the pope came here with mayor nutter. You know, nature abhors a vacuum. And when theres no information, Everything Else comes in from social media to Everything Else. But they did issue a clarification, and i can say but the clarification, but not the front line. I can say when i first heard that news, i was personally disappointed in that. I think this woman is a lawbreaker. I think shes a selfpromoter. And i dont agree with anything that she stands for. And the way she spun it was that she had this private meeting with the pope, and he was all for her. Well, it turns out she may have been in a room with the pope. Ive been in a room with barack obama. I dont know if i can tell you that he loves me and agrees with everything that i say. And many of us have had those kinds of situations. So that clarification, i think, was good and helpful because i personally was disappointed when i first heard that news. Lets talk about Something Else a little strange that came out that we saw the pope down in Congress Giving a speech, and he leaves the podium and our bob brady dashes up, grabs his glass, takes a sip out of it, gives other people a sip of water. People are sprinkling it on themselves. Latenight comedians had a ball with this. Should we find it adorable . Thats bob brady for you a little bit odd. Got to have a touch of philly in there. It was a precursor to the real event that happened in philly. You know, he got everybody geared up to say, well, if it happened in d. C. , who knows whats gonna happen in philly . That was a great promo. There you go. And this is his thing. Hes taken Barack Obamas water. He did this. Hes the water man. Hes the water man. Evaluate it for its worth. Were counting the silverware. [ laughter ] so, lets take a little turn away from the pope and talk about Something Else that was in the news this week, and thats Kathleen Kane. And the story just continues to get a little strange. Risa vetri ferman coming out. There are now perjury charges and any number of other charges related to whether or not she signed a document saying, okay, i get it. Im not supposed to release grand jury information. She had claimed she didnt. They went into her office. They found the document. She comes out, as shes being arraigned on all this, and says, im releasing more emails, this time touching on a state Supreme Court justice. Its of a piece the emails are terrible. But she never answers the charge. Its almost, here comes more emails. But the emails are disturbing. But because of who she is and whats going on, do we ever look at that . Or its just, there goes the circus . It becomes a goto well as far as an escape hatch, so to speak. And this is unfortunate, because any good work that she may have done has been totally and completely eclipsed by this ongoing drip, drip, drip, and then splash and it seems like, at this point, the only one that could save her from herself perhaps would be bill or hillary clinton, and say, hey, maybe you want to step down now, right before. We run. Yeah, theres that. But this week, we saw a frontpage story on one of the local papers taking a look at a man at the center of this who she had a feud with, frank fina, and doing a biography, and noting that there are people in the office who had accused him of gender discrimination. Marc costanzo, another person mentioned by kane, had some sexualharassment issues in the office. Seth williams has tried to say, im gonna get them some retraining. Were done with this. But it sounds like its percolating back up, that she may go down, but if her goal was to take them with her, is she going to get that . She may, but lets focus on her for a moment. Her credibility is in tatters. And it strains credulity to understand how she can continue to exercise that function of Public Trust Given where her credibility is. So, thats where you start. And if others are going to take the fall for bad behavior, then thats their problem. But shes not going to slip the noose. No. And clearly, here, she was signaling all along well, if youre coming for me. Ill come for you. Im going to get you as well. Is this states Supreme Court justice in trouble . Perhaps. I mean, i will speak to perception. Its been referred to the judicial conduct board, and there could be some sort of ethics or other action that can take place. He obviously is in a pickle, because he cant discuss it. His names michael eakin, by the way. Yes, justice eakin. But it could be a matter of just horrific behavior, but not necessarily impacting his role as a justice. We dont know that because of the drip, drip. Shes selectively releasing emails, and we dont know who sent, who received. Getting past the distraction of the emails, which is why my opinion is thats why theyre being put out, to distract. This ladys charge goes right to the heart of the case against her. She has said all along which, by the way, i believe, also, as a lawyer, shes wrong on this that she wasnt bound by the grand jury secrecy law. She said that. And shes also said she never signed any document that said she would be bound. But theres a document. And she denied that. She denied it under oath before the grand jury. She testified to that effect. Now, how did they execute a search warrant and find it in her office . Someone in her office had to tell them where it was. Well, theyve said people in her office have they contributed to the case. So, thats a flatout contradiction of something that she testified to under oath. Right. As the chief Law Enforcement officer. Mark, how long, legally, before this all comes to fruition . Could we be looking at months, years, even . Well, she is indicted or charged, i should say. And criminal trials, theres a speedytrial rule. Its not like a civil case that can go on forever and ever and ever. So, i would think the case would have to be tried sometime in 2016. Okay. And, very quickly, lets talk about the cover of philadelphia magazine that came out. A lot of people looking askance because its about city schools. They took a picture at Greenfield School in the city. Do you notice anything about this picture, talking about Philadelphia City schools . Do you notice that theres not one black child among those children . The publisher, the editorinchief tom mcgrath, has come out and said, boy, we screwed it up here. Im sorry. I shouldve caught it. It is really a gaff, or something more . Well, you know, its hard to keep hearing im sorry. We didnt mean it. Because we had the same conversation with the Philadelphia Association of black journalists when we had the being white in philly article that came out and caused an uproar. We, as an organization, had conversations with tom mcgrath personally. We had townhall meetings. There have been other things. So, if the aspect was education, or i hadnt really thought about it, thats one thing. But when you come and say, well, we are gonna change, and were gonna have more diversity in our outlook, and perhaps even some of our hires so we can have different aspects of things, i mean, even the fact that were only going to greenfield, thats the only Public School thats worthwhile in philadelphia . Or the only school worthwhile . Again, the diversity is more than just color, but the color issue continues to come up at philadelphia magazine. Its troubling. You know, jeff, but is it crazy like a fox, hey, were talking about his cover, and if he had run a different picture, would we . Not this time. And because i think that they had the mistake, and nia referred to it, with the being white in philly issue, and in part of, sort of, our world of crisis communication, you apologize, but then you say, what are you gonna do to make sure that doesnt happen again . Now, theyve said theyre going to be transparent about that, but theyve had a year plus to be transparent, and we dont know what the details are of the transparency. Nia, do they have black staffers . As far as i know, we have not yet seen a black staffer come on, even though theyve had some contributors. So, maybe something has changed. I wonder if anyones actually cracked the cover. I would love to hear it, but we got to take a break so you can have an inside story. Well be right back. Your immune system doesnt work the way it did when rock was young. So we made fluzone highdose vaccine. For people 65 . With a high high higher dose of antigen. Its significantly more effective than fluzone vaccine in preventing flu. Fluzone highdose vaccine is approved for people 65 and older. Its not for anyone whos had a severe allergic reaction to any vaccine component, including eggs, egg products, or to a prior dose of any flu vaccine. Tell your doctor if youve ever had guillainbarre syndrome. 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Congressman pat toom or pat meehan, senator pat toomey introduced a bill before iran gets a penny of the 150 billion for the nuclear deal, those people have to be compensated. The white house said they will veto the measure. Jim. Tam, state Auditor General eugene depasquale. Last man standing. Guys had a good record, is a lawyer. Lot of talk he may run for attorney general next time, and clean up the Kathleen Kane mess. All right. Well end with you, jeff. Talked about journalism, we talk about temple, our friend here. There has been a report billy penn put out this week saying that gerry lenfest, from the Philadelphia Media news, publisher of the inquirer and daily news, might bequeath that to the nonprofit Temple University to run, or help put these newspapers back in shape. Well be interested to see if that happens. Indeed. Thanks to all of you. Thanks to you for joining us. This has been inside story. Im tamala edwards. Well see you next sunday. Its a cloudy, cool, winds day across the region today, a slight chance off spotty shower, its mainly dry. Were starting out with clouds moving through the day, theres a chance of sunny breaks returning, cant guarantee it. But some of you may see that. In the lehigh valley, sunny and breezy, 62 degrees, on the windy side but not as windy as yesterday and likely dry. Down the shore, cloudy and breezy, theres a chance of a spotty shower coming through areas close to the coast. 65 is the high, and we have coastal flooding issue. In fact down the shore, several issues for you. The winds are gusting 25 to 35 miles per hour. We are looking for moderate coastal flooding especially at times of the afternoon high tide