Then two days before president obamas final state of the union. Well ask without chief of staff Denis Mcdonough whether the president will work with congress or work around it. And how the president is handling isis. All right now on fox news sunday. Hello again from fox news in washington. As we count down to the first voting of 2016, donald trump continue toss lead republicans nationally with rival ted cruz now in first place in iowa. On friday, i sat down with trump in his headquarters in new york city ease trump tower to discuss the campaign and his questioning whether cruz is eligible to be president. But we began with trumps special area of expertise money. Mr. Trump, welcome back to fox news sunday. Thank you. The stock market has dropped dramatically in recent days, in large part because of the fears what would President Trump do about the markets . Well, if they would have been listening to me over the last six year, we so tight into china, when china goes bag, we go bad. Were tied in to their advantage, not ours. We have to be smart. As you know, they want to continue to devalue the currency in order to devalue out, but what thats doing is stopping our companies from being able to compete with china and other places, including japan, which, by the way, is doing big devaluations not good for us. Anytime you see these countries devaluing currency, thats a bad thing for us. China wants to do that again to get itself out of a probeen. As president , you said the other day you would impose a 45 tariff on all chinese goods coming into this country. Wouldnt that both increase the price of these good to American Consumers and weaken the chinese economy even more. I didnt say i was going to i would say to them very strongly if you dont start living by the rules theyre not living by the rules. What theyre doing is a disgrace to us. By the way, china is not the only one, but china is the worst abuser of all, and they have to stop. If they dont, we have tremendous power over china. The Obama Administration doesnt understand that. We have tremendous economic power over china. Once that stops, they have a depression the likes of which you have never seen. So we have a lot of power. Why should Republican Voters in iowa, more than half of whom say theyre either evangelicals or bornagain christians, why should they choose you over ted cruz . I tell you, i have formed a agreed bond in iowa. Im doing very well with the evangelicals. Ite protestant, im pretty by tierian, and by the way with the tea parties. You see that in the polls. Why pick you over cruz . Much better on illegal immigration. I will be much better on security. I will be much better on the military, i will be much better on the economy. The economy is my thing. Let me ask you about immigration. Cruz says hes tougher than you when it comes to immigration. Your policy is you want to deport all of illegals out and let then what you call the good ones back in. He says if youre deported, you never get back in. Hes changed. He also said for the first time we have to build a wall. No, he campaigned on that in 2012. I dont know 2012. I can tell you for this whole cycle he just mentioned it three days ago. Im going to build a wall, were going to have a strong border. When you start the process, everyone else leaves. The good ones will go through a process like everyone else, but they have to come in legally. Not citizenship, but they have to come in legally. Thats much tougher than ted. Thats why he and rubio have been fighting who is stronger . They were both weak on it, actually. Nobody can compete with me on illegal immigration. Nobody. Theres also the question which you have raise in the last few days about whether or not ted cruz is a naturalborn american i didnt raise it. The Washington Post raised it. They asked me a question. I said i really dont know. He was born in canada, he had a canadian citizens, and had a joint citizenship. What i told ted to do is go into court for declaratory judgment. You know, you cant run im talking about from his standpoint. I did not bring this up. The Washington Post brought it up. But some people say youre trolling him. What he should do is ask for declaratory judgment. He says its not an issue. In fact when you raised it, he posted a video of the fonz of laughing hes not laughing. Hes taking it seriously, as he should. And you know what . I think im going to win. I dont want to beat him this way. Im just saying in my opinion, the democrats will bring a lawsuit. If its ted, the democratless bring a lawsuit. He has to have this worked out. Honestly, do you have any doubts that ted cruz is a naturalborn american . I dont know. I dont know. It depends. Does natural born mean born to the land, meaning born on the land . In that case hes not, but nobody knows what it means, and had hasnt been adjudicated or gone to the supreme court. Im only saying this, and i speak well of ted. Im just saying ted has to get this problem solved. If hes running again a democrat and they bring a lawsuit, he has a hell of a thing over his head. President obama is making a big push about gun control. You said the other day pretty soon were not going to be able to get guns. The president responded thats contrary to claims of some president ial candidates apparently before this meeting, this is not a plot to take away everybodys guns. Your reaction . So president obama has been hitting the second amendment, and he would like to hit it very hard. Number one, you shouldnt do it through executive order. You should get together with the republicans and the democrats and work something out. Thats the way its supposed to be done. Not by the signing of an executive order. Now, hes done executive orders, hes done it on the border, all over the place. Does he meet with anybody anymore . All he does is sign executive orders. The one on the border was just overturned, who knows whats going on happen, but its a big legal mess, but you have to get people in the room, talk to them, cajole them, see if you can do something. I have a real problem anytime chunks out of the second amendment. If people had guns in california when these two horrible people that were married, however, whoever was radicalized first nobody knows, but they were both radical obviously in the end. Had people in that room had guns, a couple of them, it would have been a totally different story. In paris as an example, you know, in paris, the toughest gun laws they say in the world or just about, france, the toughest gun lauds in the world, all these people, 130 people killed. Had people in those rooms in paris when they were being shot, no guns on the good guys side, had there been guns there would have been shooting, they would have been gone and it would have been a smaller tragedy than it turned out to be. This week you released a short video once against hitting bill clinton on his personal problems. Here it is. Rights and human rights are womens rights. Once and for all, lets keep fighting for opportunity and dignity. First of all, you put bill cosby in there, and you have compared bill clintons problems to bill cosbys no, inl not doing that. Thats really up to the public. You mentioned them both in the same sentence. Its not up to me. As inappropriate as his relationship with Monica Lewinsky may have been youre not talking about many. It was consensual. Youre talking about many. If you read the book, the book has other ones that were and other things. Hey, look, he was impeached, he lost his law license, couldnt practice law. He to pay a massive fine or massive amount of money to whoever. This was all done in the white not a good situation. Now, had she not mentioned about penchant for sexism for me, i have more respect for women than Hillary Clinton has. I have more respect than Hillary Clinton, okay . I will take care of this country far better than hillary, so i be honest. I thought it was appropriate. Hes campaigning for the wife. She want i had a penchant for sexism, which i dont, but thats what she said. A lot of republican Officials Say this will backfire, that youre going to make her more popular, once again shes the victim no, no, shes not a victim. She was she she was an enabler . She worked with him. Some of the women have been totally destroyed. Some of these women have been destroyed, and hellry worked with him. Theres no theres no feeling situation. Some of the facts and some of the settlements. Clinton has refused to respond to your statements, saying shes made a new years resolution. Here it is. Im going to let him live in his alternative reality and im not going to respond. Your reaction . I can tell you right now during the democrat debate, even though these call it the democratic debate, its the democrat debate, she brought the sexism into it penchant for. I said, whats going on over here . Then her husband said, im going to go out to campaign, so with all of that happening, i think hes fair game. I would say 95 of the people who have looked at it, including the liberal press, has agreed with me. In the time we have left, lets do a lightning round, quick questions, quick answers. North korea tested a Nuclear Weapon this week, they say it was a hydrogen bomb. What would President Trump do about north korea . Disgrace. In fact i told you a long time ago, they better start looking at that. The iran deal is one of the worst deals ive ever seen with 150 billion and everything else. At least right now theyll have one soon, by the way with the stupid agreement, but at least right now they dont have one. North korea has very dangerous weapons of some sort. What would you do . I would get china, and i would say get in there and straighten it out. You better straighten it out. If you dont, were going to have trouble, because we have power. We have trade power over china, and obama doesnt understand. Hes not a business person. There have been certainly domestic terror incident recently. Two refugees who were arrested for trying to support isis in syria. There was a cop who was shot in philly and the person who shot him said he was doing it out of his allegiance to isis. We have to be very strong. Look, if were not vigilant in this country, were not going to you look at brussels, whats happening in germany, whats happening in paris, so many places, we have to be vigilant. We hear about a bush done trick, obama doctrine. There a trump doctrine on Foreign Policy . Guiding philosophy . Yeah, tough, smart, vigilant. We have to be respected, because right now, chris were not respected by anybody, and other people i have to tell you, in terms of Foreign Policy were losing a fortune, other people have to pay up. And again, when we take care of south korea militarily, when we take care of jenny and all the many people dont even know this. When we are protecting all these countries, when were protecting saudi arabia as an example, saudi arabia was making a billion dollars a day, now its less because of the oil, but theyre still making plenty, okay . They have to pay up. I mean, were protecting them. They have to pay up. I didnt like what they did, by i thought what they did was not good, all of the executions, but when saudi arabia is making a billion dollars a day and we get peanuts every time we have a problem we have to go and defend them, its not going to work that way. They have to pay up. You have had remarkable success as a republican candidate, lord knows you surprised me, but there are people who say if you should actually become the nominee and be in the general election, that youre going to have problems, youre going to have to reach out to hispanics, to minorities, to women, to independents, but youre going to have to move to the center and youre going to have to tone it down. Look, all i can tell sudden what i can tell you. You said i wouldnt run. In fact you said i dont want him on this program, because hes not going to run. I said not only did i run, i got 42 now in the latest poll and other people have 12 and 2 and 1 and everything else. Its not attractive to say i told you so, mr. Trump. I understand, but i think im going to do well. It shouldnt be hillary because of what she did with the emails. Frankly she shouldnt be allowed to run. Recent polls have shown im going to do well. A lot of people are saying if its trump against hillary, it will be the largest voter turnout in the history of this country, and those extra people, those people that have never been part of the process before, are doing it because theyre going to vote for trump. So i think were going to do well. Mr. Trump, thank you. Thank you. Up next, well bring in our sunday group to discuss the republican race, and a new problem about Hillary Clintons private emails. Plus what would you like to ask the panel about the trump cruz birther debate . Just go to facebook or i have never breathed a breath of air on this planet without being a citizen. It was the process of being born that made me a u. S. Citizen. Senator ted cruz defending himself against claims he may not be eligible to be president , because he was born in canada. Its time for our sunday group syndicated columnist george will. Bob woodward of the Washington Post. Laura ingraham, editor in chief of the website life zat, and we asked questions for the panel questioning. Rob hogan tweeted this why did trump and media insist about talking about another nonissue . Stick to real issues. And if place of birth didnt matter with obama, why should it matter with cruz . Laura . Ted cruzs mother was born in the United States. Ted cruz never renounced his u. S. Citizenship. He mother did not live the requisite five years according to canadian law to even request canadians citizenship. As long as ted cruz feels like he has to answer questions about this, i think whats driven him up in the polls in iowa is somewhat diminished, because people who dont follow this all that closely will get their heads wrapped around this issue well, wait, he was born people i do not believe its a disqualifier. Paul clement is one of the smartest minds in washington. We both clerked on the sprk. This is this is a joke, according to him. One of the things i have to say i enjoyed this week was john mccain saying this might be a legitimate issue. Hes likely a rubio supporter. Cruz is he he going to endorse rubio, and this is mccain getting back at the wacko birds he called cruz famously after the green eggs and ham so lil question. This is the birth certificate for ted cruzs mother documenting the fact she this. I dont think he can at this point. Its now solidly established as its everywhere. I do agree with what laura said. I think lots of people, including voters are saying he was born in canada . Thats news to me. Its not news to us around here, but it might be news to them the fact is its never been litigate litigated, never been to the supreme court. So what we have here is the enemy of my enemy is my friend when it comes to john mccain. John mccain has for love for donald trump. Donald trump called him a losing for getting captured in vietnam. What you have here is cruz is a guy whos campaign against fellow republicans through the Senate Conservative fund. Hes a guy that has called mitch hi own Republican Caucus have a strong distaste from mccain. Chickens coming home to roost. For ted cruz. Hillary clinton seems to be cruising to the nomination, but there was a new release of emails on friday. Her. In 2011, when an aide was having trouble sending her material by instructions. If they cant, turn into nonpaper with no identifying heading, and send nonsecure. Important . Here you have the secretary of state in 2011 saying lets subvert the rules, which say youve got to send presumably its very clear from the earlier emails that this was a security issue, and ive written about nonpapers or no papers, and this is the way people in the government take something that exists. Explain that. Whats a nonpaper and taking the heading off . By taking it off, its just a piece of paper that has a bunch of paragraphs. Theres no classification, theres no subject, so its not in the system, so no one can discover it through freedom of information act or some sort of subpoena. I mean, look, here is Hillary Clinton, somebody who worked on the staff of the nixon impeachment committee, and what was the lesson . One of the lessons from that . Never write anything down. She did years of whitewater investigations, where she was the target, and here many years later shes saying oh, lets subvert the rules and writing it out herself . Whether thats some sort of clime, that is not the issue. Immune, she lives in a bubble, and no one is ever going to find this out. Well, now we have. George, i think its fair to say that after first of all Bernie Sanders said im tired of your emails and then the benghazi hearings, the emails seemed to be fading away. Does this revive it . It keeps it going. I think it is a question of legality. The problem with this as a political issue, the first of an issue is on which a function of its simplicity. When the average voter hears about a server in a closet in colorado, they know what a closet is, but what is a server . This reinforces a preexisting perception about the clintons, whenever they come, they come in a cloud of seaminess, and this is in the cloud of petraeus. In trouble for the mishandling of classified information. So at the end of the day, this comes down to the Justice Department. We know we dont think, we know from the i. R. S. Example that the Holder Justice Department was eager to be complicit in covering up certainly scanned always. The question is, if the fbi makes a recommendation to the Justice Department about illegality, then the ball is in Loretta Lynchs court, and well see if shes a different kind of attorney general. But going back many years, i have followed the Hillary Clinton, you know, what she does and biography is character and behavior is character here, and when i read that, i was really surprised that she would type that out and say lets send it nonsecure, and, you know, maybe well get answers in fairness to her, its not clear what this is about, what the talking points were and so forth. If it was supposed to be send secure and she, as you say, subverting the law by or at least the regulations by sending it nonsecure the question is, what is it . Im tried to look into the record and figure out what was going on that day and she was going to give a press briefing. Maybe it was talking points for a press briefing, and there may there. At the same time she was meeting with the russians and maybe there was, so well see. She hasnt released all of her emails. She was supposed to reach a threshold be december 31st, she did not. Her staff says theyre working hard. You are not allowed under federal law to act as your own declassifier. A gs15 employee at the nsa why are you scowl . Do you think there would be a legality issue . Because the person who did i see if its classified or not not only has she accepted the state department and Judd Department youre saying that Hillary Clintons handling of this email situation, that is all cool, this is the way our government is supposed to work . I agree with what bob said. They said they doesnt know. Joe said the fbi, chris is on the verge of a make jor revolt. We should say former u. S. Attorney. George hit the nail on the head. This goes to the heart of whether we can trust or government to be fully transparent when theyre supposed to be appeared properly handle this information and the professionals will have the final say. I think youre lost in the weeds on this one. Thats what you hope. I think the voters dont care, and i think jim comey is beyond reproach. The voters care about whether whether were going to find out what she really did. We have to take a break here. See you a little later. Up next president obama delivers his last state of the Union Address. Well sit down with Denis Mcdonough to discuss the challenges president obama faces. What do you think of president obama going around congress on gun control. Let me know on facebook or on twitt and can you explain why you recommend synthetic over cedar . Super food . Is that a real thing . Its a great school, but is it the right one for her . Is this really any better than the one you got last year . If we consolidate suppliers, so should we go with the 467 horsepower . Or is a 423 enough . Good question. You ask a lot of good questions. I think we should move you into our new fund. Sure. Ok. But are you asking enough about how your wealth is managed . Wealth management at charles schwab. 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President obama says his will highlight his accomplishments over the last seven years and look beyond the next election when someone else will be in the oval office. Were joined by the president s chief of staff Denis Mcdonough. Welcome back to fox news sunday. Chris, thanks for having me. The white house says the state of the Union Address will be, quote, nontraditional, let about specific pieces of legislation, but more about the challenges facing the country, which raises the question does he not expect to see much through congress this jeer . We expect a lot through congress this year. We had a very successful year last year, and we feel good about that, but the president is going to lay out a picture of the country moving forward, focused on the future, not afraid of it and have i optimistic because of what he knows about this country, which is when we draw on everybody strength, when everyone has a shot, when were using our make the world safe, and by the way, when everybody gets their shot at democracy, not just a select few, the sky is the limit what the people can do and what this country can do. One of the ways hes been moving the country forward is through executive action, not working through congress. I want to take a look at the list of some of the executive actions over the last 14 months. November 2014 Carbon Emissions deal with china, same month, temporary amnesty for 5 million illegal immigrants. December 2014, normalized relations with cuba. Ual 2015, iran nuclear deal. December 2015, paris climate deal. This week tighten gun controls. Mr. Mcdonough, whatever happened to article i of the constitution that says all the legislative powers herein granted should be vested in a congress of the United States . Yeah. When i was on your show a year ago, you asked if the president was down, that he basically had lost the election, and everything you just laid out. I think he got all that done last year, which of course were very proud of. Most particularly this climate deal which will protect the country and people for years to deal but youre avoiding my point. Promised to not but he did it on his own. He didnt do what the constitution says, which is observe article i that all those congress. Let me come back to article i war power. Id like to talk about power. Sure. We finished a deal a budget deal allowing us to invest 50 billion above what congress wanted to do in things like middleclass prosperity, middleclass economics. We got a tax extenders deal with make sure thats invested youre not answering my question. And they said to until if they want to do exert until the power whether they wanted to be heard on any questions. They decided they does. Powers. But they have to say that all legislative powers are vested in the congress in which they dont act, then the president can do whatever he wants . It doesnt say that. Lets take the guns week. Very simple question. Everybody in fact many of the if republicans and. Tox commutators have urged us to enforce the laws we have. The president clarified, using guidance from the attorney general exactly what the law expects, a law that was passed by congress three decades ago. He asked for 200 new agents to enforce the law. I dont know why this is objectionable or a constitutional question. I dont think its a constitutional question. The american people, 30,000 of whom last year died from gun violence. Thats too many. Lets talk about another issue coming up. The president made it pretty clear in his yearend press conference, if congress doesnt took close guantanamo, that he will. Take a look. We will wait until congress has definitively said no to a well thought out plan with numbers attached to it before we say anything definitive about my executive authority here. But congress has repeatedly prohibited him from transferring prisoners from guantanamo to the United States, and in fact just this november the president signed a defense bill which barred him again. Question why isnt that the end of the argument . Maybe you and i just watched the president said his was going to work with congress, present a plan and then make a final determination. Did we watch something totally different . Let me be clear. The president has said we will close gitmo because its bad for our security and its too costly. 4 million per year per detainee. Thats a travesty. We ought to make sure were in a position to close that facility, because it strengthens us. The president feels an obligation to his successor to close that. Thats why were going to do it. You are going to do it. Sure we are. Whether Congress Says yes, sir or not. The president said he will work with congress and well make a final its not an if then guy. No, he again you and i may have watched a different clip. Wait and see what they do before i wait for my executive authority. Correct. Were going to close it. And were going to do it because its too expensive. Much more importantly its not in our national interests. The office of the director of National Intelligence says that 30 of the detainees that we have transferred so far are either confirmed or suspected of returning to the battlefield. Why help our enemy by giving them people who were clearly wouldnt be in guantanamo if they didnt have some role on the war on terror, particularly the ones who are still here, why help our enemy in the middle of the war on terror . This is why we, from day one, went deep into the question of gitmo to look at each of the individual detainees and also worked very closely with our allies so that when we transfer them into their custody or into their care or into their watch, that we make sure that we have a rocksolid agreement for them to do that. Those 30 those 30 , chris, go back to the start of this which the overwhelming majority transferred under the Previous Administration with insufficient protection. Thats why we changed the policy, how we handle them. Thats why that number has gotten better. None of the ones you have released have gone back . I didnt say that. I say we do this with considerable care pursuant to arrangements with our allies to ensure that they are kept out of that fight. Thats exactly what were going to do. You had a huge fight with the previous defense secretary chuck hagel, who said you were pushing him to release people he wasnt comfortable releasing. The secretary of defense only signs orders that hes comfortable with signing. I eet let the secretaries of defense defend their positions one way or another on that. What im not willing to do and what the president is not willing to do is make this problem, which has consumed enormous amounts of time and important relationships with our countries for the next he feels an obligation to the next president. He will fix this so they dont have ton confronted with the 15i78 sort of challenges. In the time left, lightning round. Iran has violated a ban on Ballistic Missile testing at least twice. The administration on december 30th said were going to send you, congress, a list of sanctions to punish them. Theres a ban on Ballistic Missile testing. Hours later saided at moral said no, were not going to send you a list. We we sent them a list of characters who are mind if i answer the question . We will issue those sanctioning and those designations at the propose time, no question about it. Whats the appropriate time . Well issue the designations when its time. So . Well issue them when its time. Will the Administration Push to extradite el chapo quickly back to this country . Im not going to get hat of any conversations the department of justice may be having. But the effort to bring him to justice stands . Were very proud of the record weve had working with our colombian and mexican counterparts to dramatically increase the number of extraditions into this judicial temperature until this president. Well continue to do that. I will say we face a dramatic problem as it relates to heroin addiction in this country. We will continue to press until we get that back in the box. Would you like to see el chapo in an american prison. I would like to see him in a prison, and see that the the standoff in oregon, are you going to let the protesters continue to occupy that territory. Im going to be very careful to say here, because im not going to add anything into this. Its an enforcement matter the fbi is working on with the interior department and theyre doing a fine job. Can you let them occupy the law . I think the fib and department of interior are handling this very well. Mr. Mcdonough, thank you for answering some questions and stillfully not answering others. Thanks for having me here. Appreciate it. You can watch the steve Union Address on tuesday, and ill seal you on your local fox station. Up next, north korea tests another weapon. They say it was a hydrogen bomb. Discu marco rubio thinks its unfair to criticize him for missing votes. But i am going to miss votes, im running for president. But hes been missing votes for a long time. One third of all of his were missed before he announced he was running for president. Over the last three years, marco rubio has missed more votes. Than any other senator. Washington politician marco rubio. Doesnt show up for work, but wants a promotion . 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The daily beast wrote a fabulous piece examining how Foreign Policy experts, beyond conservatives, republicans, brookings institution, are now squarely blaming the obama Foreign Policy for the situation were in right now. Bickering, to people who spent their lifetime studying north korea, saying look this strategic patience has been a strategic disaster for the United States. Because . Because obviously the test goes forward. It looks like from the reporting, and bob might know more about this, we were surprised by this test. Then there was question of whether it was a successful test. I think we come across at bystanders once again when something as important as this happens in asia when the president promised a major pivot administration. For all of Denis Mcdonoughs crowing about all they have happened. But juan, to be fair to obama, clinton and bush 43 tried to negotiate with the north korean regime. That doesnt work. President obama has tried to ig not kim jongun. That hasnt worked either. What can the u. S. Do . Up what was going on . I dont think its fair to say he messed up, but i think it is fair to say hesen intannive. Some nukes were pulled out of south korea south korea because you would hope that north korea would reciprocate in kind. The question is what influence do we have to exert on china to get china to put some pressure on north korea . Right now china this week said theyre very unhappy with what the North Koreans did. Its a threat to them. So china, the question is, why arent you acting, china . You provide food, energy to north korea. They are their patron. When you see this kind of behavior, it pushes the United States into a position where we could say to japan, where we could say to north korea, to south korea, go ahead, build Nuclear Weapons to confront the North Koreans. Thats not in chinas interests. At this point, going after china. Juan . You talk to people bob . The idea that you have this maniacal regime with nukes and obviously willing to flaunt it, the back channels with chinese and others. We have tried that with clinton and bush 43, but it doesnt work. The intelligence people are aware this is a big giant problem, and there are thing that can be done that are not overt. All right. Since this panel is a democracy, sort of, were going to call an audible here. You wanted to talk, bob, about the interview i did with Denis Mcdonough. Yes, i thought it was very first of all, in fairness, obama has had a much better year. The deal on the budget really is important, and it stabilized things. Unfortunately mcdonough sounds very, very defensive and nonresponsive on things, but i think the bottom line, and the important bottom line here is it illustrates the concentration of power in the presidency. Its gone up from nixon to obama. Obama has more power, will exercise more power. A lot of this is constitutionally doubtful, as the as george will and laura im sure will say, but the consequence can do only certain things. The main thing is cut off funding. Thats where they control things. If they start cutting off funding on some of these executive actions, youll see real conflict. But obamas probably going to let me ask you on the broader issue, as somebody who cut his teeth talking about nixon and the reporting on nixon and the abuse of power, does it trouble you at all to see this selfproclaimed expansion of executive authority under obama . Sure, but to us as journalists, the important lesson is were going to have a new president in about a year, and lets make sure we tell people who that might be and not weve got to cover thats not my question. The question im asking, and i want to get to george to this, the powers and abilities of president to, ill say it, run rough shod over congress. You raised the issue, article i, which clearly says congress has the power on this. Sure, its p troubling, but the reality is that obama is doing it. George . Purse, all other article i powers are vitiated and negligible, so congress has to reframe its budget process, start sending instead of enormous end of session Government Shutdown cliff omnibus spending bill, regular appropriations bills, so you can punish parts of the Congress Without threatening chaos. Wood row wilson said a president is i dont have a candidate yet, but i will be the first one that adopts the opposite of armys slogan. I want a president to be less that he can be, a constitutional et key, some understanding of the manners of the separation of powers. Dont you think, george, just like Security Keeping getting it never goes back, just keeps on in the world were living in. When you get Something Like this, a president expanding the definition of what he can do on his own, you can never turn back. Particularly when hes said he can do anything. Mr. Mcdonough used a wonderful phrase, we determined players, were going to let congress be heard. Congress isnt to be heard. Congress is to be dispositive. What you guys are missing, total context here. There would be chaos. Chaos. Congress is doing nothing, zero. Congress obstructs this president its his best friend, what are you talking about . The president responds, and you sea why is this president trying to hes trying to do something for the american people. Where have the republicans successfully blocked president obama. The number one thin president obama wanted, the First Six Months was to trade promotion they got it, paul ryan did big opeds on it. They worked with him consistently the one thing obama wanted was the administration funded through the next year republicans gave him a 1. 1 trillion spending bill thatport people did not read, the republicans have been terrible at checking the president s unbridled authority. Laura, you would have isis fighting in the middle east, yet this congress has not even acted to give authority to this president to go after isis. Lets talk about the failure of congress . Talk about congress abandons congress should vote on oh, thank you. All im saying is we can talk about the constitutional separation of powers, checks and balances, but its up to the Opposition Party to act like it is a check. And were going to leave it there. Thank you, panel. See you next sunday. As campaign attack ads with 22 days until iowa, the president ial campaign has entered an intense new phase with attack ads jamming tvs in early voting states. Heres a look at the air wars on the trail. Chris christie are jockeying. Real conserve conservative . Crist Christie Obama care expanding is enough. Rubio. It shows how inexperienced he is and how unprepared he is to be our candidate against somebody like Hillary Clinton, shell pat him on the head and cut his heart out. The superpac, which questions whether hes up i know you have a debate, but you have to get this fantasy football thing right. Okay. In iowa the battle is among social conservatives. Rick santorum who won the caucuses l. A. Time is going after this years frontrunner. You want someone to read one hell of a bedtime story . Ted cruz is the guy. Jeb bushs superpac has sent millions attacking donald trump, but so far its not helping bush or hurting trump. They said isis was contained and this isnt our problem. Why not let isis and syria fight. He says isis is not our fight. Really . As for trump who has trashed almost everyone on the trail, his campaign released its first ad this week. Shockingly they decided to stay above the fray. Politicians can pretend its something else, but donald trump calls it radical islamic terrorism. On with you New Hampshire tv station, 25 of all commercial time is now going to campaign ads. As the voting gets closer, it will only get worse. 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