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Stations other contributors include the Pew Charitable Trusts committed to improving public policy invigorating civic life and turning indifference into action more information is available at Pew Trust's dot org And Americans for the Arts. Welcome to let you know USA I'm marrying a horse that today a favorite from our vault It's called the returned. This story originally aired in December of 20. And it recently won gold for Best Documentary at the 21003rd Coast Richard treehouse foundation competition so we're bringing it back for you today. And. There are now I think this is my 7th birthday and the last birthday there celebrated. But 8th and 9th birthdays and then celebrated. My parents for saving for me to come here. This is right in our backyard underneath like the avocado treats and there's a party outside. Michael and I was playing about. Am I and those are my friends that's my cousin and out of all those boys all of them have left and they're on the United States. My grampa he's young he's fatter. He still looks strong and very. Very imposing he's carried. By a family I know that you wanted to live where. There is all I laid my grandmother like here and like her hand motions and everything she's very likely to have a baby on your hip. She's like saying thank you. And the weird part is that she's talking to my mom and my dad in the United States and she's like I hope that. This party met your expectations. Make you gave us money to provide for your kid and. And we hope that you met your like think that you had imagined in your head. That yes it or. She was like my mom. Brought me here he would visit I think almost twice a year. To see how old it was he was gauging to see if I could make the trip. So we started this relationship last time I saw him he said next time news have to be ready and I had had my bags just waiting I knew that I was going to leave its didn't know when. And I don't remember what day it was but then my grandpa walked me up and his I get to go shower and. My aunts and my grandma made breakfast and they were crying my grandpa and I walked out the door and it was dawn. And the dogs were barking. And the sun hadn't broken through yet it's like this bluish tent all over and I just walked out on to the road and took a left all the way to the pier which is where the buses stop. And so in that that was the last time that a walk through my entire town. And my grampa. Left me and what the Maila. And we had stayed there for 15 days but my grampa couldn't go anymore so I remember him walking us to the bus. And I was the last one to get on. And I was saying goodbye to my grampa and he was wearing a white polo shirt black. Shoes and black belt and blue jeans and he was in the middle of the road. And he was waving. 'd 'd when I left I wasn't thinking about the time apart from them I was mostly happy that I was en route to be reunited with my parents it wasn't until much later that I began to understand that it wasn't going to my grandparents again. 20 years ago poet and writer had yet somewhat am traveled to the Us Mexico border as a child this is a journey that have yet is written about in this book of poetry and a company which has garnered a lot of attention for how yet over the last couple of years including a northern California Book Award and a fellowship at Harvard. Last year. On January 8th things changed for him and his family have yet it will come to a phone call from his mom she was crying saying he announced it. I said Come. What are we going to do Trump had just announced that he would not be renewing temporary protected status for Salvadorans in 2001 nearly 200000 Salvadorians received temporary protected status or t.p.s. After powerful earthquake hit the country t.p.s. Allowed them to live and work in the u.s. Until it was safe to return back to all Salvador but with Trump's announcement essentially ending his protected status and he adds life in the u.s. Was thrown into question. After living here for almost 20 years most of his life now he faced the possibility of having to leave it all behind. In order to stay in the u.s. And yet decided to apply for an easy one visa which is otherwise known as the extraordinary abilities visa and in order to apply he would have to return to all Salvador in person his 1st trip back in almost 2 decades. We wanted to help share his experience so producer Sarah give it worked with him to document his journey with audio diaries interviews and other recordings just a warning that this piece contains some language that might not be suitable for young years. We're going to begin he had story on a particularly important day for him it's June 10th that is the day that had he had 1st arrived to United States when he was only 9 years old it's also the day before he will return to all Salvador 19 years later. It's June and I'm alone. 19 years. I haven't packed I leave tomorrow. Yesterday I babysat a kid a 4 year old with Britney at the end he chose 4 books for me to read and the one of and start this is all the places you would go and after Britney read it to her. He said that it made him feel better he was hiking me. And work. With Brittany and I feel good about leaving. And I don't know when that changed because I've been scared and there's something about this day. Is Full Circle. On June 10th the day before I left to us. I had dinner with my mom and my aunts we had started talking about the trip and my little cousin really surprised me your name and how do you think you would feel if you were going for happy being played great now I feel happy for you yesterday calling near and seen my grad and my grandpa. And I wish abc and he had a vice. If you were to go to a place that you never been to where would you bring. Want to gain my. I think that is. Just natural feeling for a little kid the same age as me when I came here that all you want is your parents to be with them imprinting him everywhere I think is that feeling I want to bring my parents who knows makes me cry because that's what I wanted when I came into it but I want to be it was to be with my parents. I was thinking about this from San Francisco to Houston Houston I think it really began to kick and by then I was like Ok am I going to come back and I'm going to return to this. Hour my going to be turned from. I was thinking about see my grandparents for the 1st time in 1000 years. After I got here my grandparents and I mostly communicated over the phone like how are you doing how itself or how's the United States House work How's the weather Ok I love you but I feel like they hide a lot of things from us and also we had a lot of things from them. Thank. You after. When I landed and I go through the checkpoint. And a get away for the humidity and I get to the road. My grampa is waiting. I think he's wearing white he's wearing a white polo Maybe he always wears white polo that I know but that crucial moment he always wears the same outfit. Before I was 5 he was rarely in the picture because he was working. But when he was in the picture. He was. The one memory. That I remember as him coming in through the door the back door. Pounding it. He was trying get in on something else. Now for. A burst through and you start arguing. And throwing he was throwing stuff and like cursing my grandma. That happened multiple times. Every year. And. He still has a huge cut. But he's frail. The a. They. Are not and there are the meat has been taken away from him and with it I think that they now make his change unless cared. And now I'm bigger. The moment I get in the car I start commenting on what I remember the guy magically like on cue. And I tried to remember the way home. First thing I know is there's now a solar panel fields and then we're given driving and the sugarcane fields are still there but now we have like a little thing that has. I mean you know the let alone welcome to letter water right near the cemetery I remember the cemetery being this huge thing. And the cemetery was like a block big and in my head it with felt like half a mile. And so we take it right up a new road that they've just built with new houses and I'm commenting on it and I don't even recognize the clinic that I lived in front of so he parked the car parks . And my grampa starts to get out and I'm like What are we here and they don't remember. My grandma opens the door she's in turn I count and she looks around to see if anybody's looking and cheers and get out of the house she waits for me to get in. And she is way different than what I remembered my grandmother was is joyful woman. That he was man and would always be dressed to the nines who are into her makeup who would take care of her hair she is not that person a marsh is seeing a shadow of who she was you. Know she's Freo her armchair so skinny. And there's like dreads in the back of her hair she doesn't care for her hair any more than I hug her and she didn't hug me fully She put one of her hands on me trained her chest and mine. On a protect my chest where my heart is and that's what she did. Whenever I thought of see my grandparents I imagine this big dramatic moment where I would run up to them and hung them crying my grandma crying hugging me I imagine staying up talking with them I wanted. To take them out on the walk to the market or to the pier. That's what I wanted most. When we return I feel down there in the hope that I can go back to the United States stay with us not that I. Support comes from food works natural market your local full service organic and natural foods store and deli wishing everyone a Happy and Healthy Holiday locations in Guilford and Old Saybrook follow them on Facebook at Food Works natural market. Next time on the New York Radio Hour screenwriter Lena way her new film Queen in slim looks at the issue of police violence I just wanted to write something about us I don't fortunately if I'm right about us but how can I ignore the fact they're being hunted mean away next time on the New York radio listen this morning at 10. 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And one of me. And that's the 1st thing you see. And the fridge is new but it's still in the same place that it used to be the t.v. With newer but it's still in the same place it used to be. Or the roof changed the roof used to be Terry quarter of an hour. There's like steel. That you can hear when is it when it rains kids throughout. Their executives now there's like an infestation. Like squeak like birds they keep you up as well I still showered outside. So everything hadn't changed. That much. As part of the visa appointment I had to go to this doctor in the capital do a lot of tests and once that was approved I could to go to the embassy today I went to the dogs years appointment and once a there they asked why I was getting the visa and I explained that I have a book with the moment I mentioned Stanford Harvard he treated me differently and then there's like an hour later the doctor actually saw me and the 1st thing is that you know they really told me about you know I'm really proud of you and I thought it was going to be fine and then and he begins asking me about drugs and then he told me to be honest I don't know if I did the right thing or not and I told him that I had tried to want to before. And you had a stop there arrested and I said no and then under his breath you told him he said You guys always yourself in Spanish and then he kept impressing me had a trial of their drawings trying to marry one of more than one. I really hope. That. Are my chances and I was is being honest and I guess that's what's stupid. And some of us who have been really I feel down I really hope that they can go back to the United States. I really hope that it did and today. I couldn't leave the house so it was like when I was a little kid again. But this time it was kind of my grandparents telling me not to leave the house but it's also myself. I didn't feel safe leaving the house and I was afraid to leave because I'm a stranger there and nobody would really know me so I was scared that I would be identified as a potential outsider gangster and just that made me feel unwelcome. Unloaded by them and I don't know if he had any young young young if they now the Lido Beach . In which I asked my grandparents how do they feel that they are part of my poetry and other people who are reading these poems and other people and like. In colleges and universities are reading them I want to look at it in there. And my grandma says she's happy and my grandpa says that he's proud and then when people ask how I am doing you know he's he's very people out. Here you know. That I'm like studied learned. Were so I've read my grandma poems in Spanish but not the ones about domestic violence. We didn't suffer the war but my grandpa brought the war into the domestic sphere. We all still love them you know it's like a bad figure in who is still my grandpa and it's still my my mom's dad. But silence is definitely still a big part of our relationship. Today we want to say that the local which is in the news a narrower it's one of the most dangerous places games here in this department and it was so interesting to go with my grandpa to pick up his from it and the bank was full in the. Heat Of The Day My grandma was supposed to go with us but she did and she still in her house feel kind of bad that I didn't I was unable to get her out but I'm in the try again I was asking why Graham. And the same thing. Had been 34 years and my grandma had left the house. So I really hope that I was going to be the one you know had and yet the other one that she raised like a son that I was going to be the one to finally get her out maybe you're going to go back to who you were. I think race relation has a lot to do with culture or expectations she had 3 daughters you know and a grandson who was like a son to her and we all left in a culture ia least one of us is supposed to stay there and help her out and so I think all of that has taken a physical and emotional toll on her. My grandpa lives at office and of the house is like its own he has his own kitchen he has his own room. In the morning he goes then wakes my gramma up and ask her what she wants for breakfast and then he takes them with a taxi to America he brings back the stuff he goes back into he retreats into his kitchen after that he reads the paper and then he goes out into the fields he's constantly cutting the grass that's like his thing and then he eats again and then he goes back to the fields to burn leaves and trash and then he retreats and watches no Ls and has dinner and then goes to sleep he does it every single day . My gramma's days literally at the opposite end of the house my grandpa goes out and brings my grandma food such as to wait for that she watches t.v. Or listens to the radio then she sleeps and then she watches an island. And it's all in that little room. So I had hurt my knee so I couldn't run I had graduated physical therapy the week before I leave to also I started this like jog to run regimen like my back yard learning to run again and so every day I would watch a soccer game is there in the World Cup I will watch a soccer game and in between Game one in Game 2 I would put my shoes on and go to the back yard and create my own little track. In front of the house through in between the well and out house. Take a left through orange tree. To the corn fields and round around the tree all the way back take a ride at the coconut and then go along the fence and then back to the front of the house that was my running track. And I think that's that's what I wanted to do I wanted to run away from that. Slowly every day that passes I realize that I did not belong there. And I began to get exasperated I did not feel free I was there like 4 weeks 5 people were killed during the time that I was there and once I heard the gunshots. And the morning if I didn't hear the gunshots that night I would hear the bells ringing and that my cousin than everybody knows that if they ring in the morning that means there's a mass and somebody was shot and the news travels fast all those things. Made me feel. Unsafe and that this was not. Where I belonged anymore. Yesterday I was freaking out yesterday. 2 days before my appointment. I so like I wanted to get away from the house and go back to United States and I think the trauma that I've seen in the House really got to me yesterday to. Yesterday yesterday was the hardest. Today's the day before July 1st this is the former. Ok. My grandmother legs. And think while watching soccer. We bonded and we started to talk more and slowly I began to like. Ask questions about like how does it feel that your daughter is that you haven't seen your daughter. If you know that I'm here she certainly doesn't miss us. But my grandma always returns too but I understand why. I think my grandma probably. The things that we all laugh because she was a bad mom. And I think she's failed to move on from that stage of grief grieving the people that she raised. In our family she is the physical embodiment of what immigration does to a person and to a family. The day before my visa appointment I don't let myself think about my life in the United States I didn't let myself think about what I would be leaving behind in the United States I didn't let my mind go there because it would be too sad into traumatic and that's how I cope with things. At 5 am I had put the outfit out last night I was still freaking out and nervous and then. My grampa went with me. He was wearing blue jeans and a white polo that's what he chose this morning. It was my grandpa. Accompanied me up to the bottom Olen Mexico border. That was in 1909 and he insisted that he walked me to the embassy in knew that he wasn't going to be let in and he has a cane now but he insists that we crossed the road. And he hugged me. And then I went through the security because only the person who's appointment is allowed past security in the embassy and then I went in and I was by myself and I saw him walk away on his came. To his. First for the home. Closing. To that chapter. 'd and I walk up oh she asked was my name were in lived in the United States or I lived in. Where I was going to return to and for a while and she asked where my visa was about and then she took a moment to go and ask her supervisor for something and then she came back and she said that I got approved. And then it was done. I haven't recorded it in a while and I think it's because I feel better after knowing that I will do. That I got the visa. But today I got notified that I could pick up my passport which I'm going to go pick up tomorrow which made me get a flight and a cheaper flight is this Wednesday. And. I have my grandma told her that I was she said that she's going to see me leave and then we hug. And. Stretching her arms out pushing me away when I have their. Stuff. To get into so I asked my grampa how he feels about me leaving. And then he said that things are going to feel more lonely now noble company going to be a union there's a return to solitude. But the last. Thing I'm. Here for him Campbell to know. He. Can attack in Eugene he. Just throws them on she's. Not the little boy that left now you're grown when you know I'm always good having you know she's very happy that I got my papers and then she also apologizes for or not as she described it tending to me how she would have wanted to thank you don't get me to do nothing what will. You think we can look at India job there. On the farm and one. In morning. After the show is how to follow us through anything. Said she is going to be waiting x. Time to go to camp what I 40 among the millions. You leave a country trying to make a life of here in order to send money over there but then at the end of the day after sacrifice and sacrifice in this other country does not treat you well you're kind of faced with like oh did I make a wrong decision by leaving my family in the people that I love because smoke at the motion on physical toll that my departure has caused. My entire family is facing that right now and we don't know what that answer is I want to go back to trying to man and. All those years that I couldn't go back. And to show my grandmother we still do care and that I still care abt 98 on each time you get a home they call it yeah or on my back each day and it and I'm going to be making it and. When I don't want anything and when I don't I'm not. Allowed in. Our things to produce or say or give a Though for that story and once again congratulations Sayer for winning gold at the coast festival. Coming up on the good. USA in 1904 California's Proposition 187 was the 1st shot in the battle over immigration that is front and center in national politics today we speak with former Governor Pete Wilson about the legacy of prop when he 7 Stay with us not to us. On the next on being Robert McFarlane the hidden realities beneath our feet sometimes say to my children we walk on this. Crust of this raging space of life in all its vibrancy and fury and we know nothing of it I'm Krista Tippett join us coming up this morning at 7. I was told by. The way that your interview everyone really like you know their questions that they've never been asked before I'm Jesse thorn this week I'll talk with Forest Whitaker the star of bird Ghost Dog in the brand new t.v. Show Godfather Harlem Plus from Will and Grace Dragonball alley that's on the next back some of the fun dot org n.p.r. Join us this afternoon at one. Support for n.p.r. Comes from n.p.r. Stations and from k. Bucks pound in support of the David Gilkey and Zabulon memorial fund established to strengthen N.P.R.'s commitment to training and protecting journalists in high risk environments and the John d. And Catherine team MacArthur Foundation recognizing exceptionally creative individuals this year's MacArthur Fellows and more information are at mac found that org. Welcome back to let you know USA Horsa earlier this month we brought you a special collaboration with the Los Angeles Times a look into the legacy of California's Prop $27.00 that's the controversial 1994 anti immigrant measure that helped turn California blue by alienating many Latino voters 'd 'd 'd. Now if you haven't listened to the problem in the 7 series you should really go back and listen on our part cast. 'd the issue of immigration is setting the tone for a political debate in California on our border and there should have been slightly to be on the November ballot there would deny public education and public health benefits to illegal immigrants 'd 'd prop 187 would have denied state services to undocumented immigrants including kicking out undocumented students from public schools from kindergarten through college the measure was passed by voters but it was never implemented due to legal challenges fortunes of Prop 187 were to go into effect immediately but court orders were issued today holding off the new law until its constitutionality can be examined former California governor Pete Wilson who back then was running for reelection played a big role in setting the stage for 187 was in based his reelection campaign on Prop 187 alongside. Tough on immigration message. California's governor Pete Wilson call the state's immigrant in poor population tax receivers who take more than they give it will something recommended denying education and health care to illegal immigrants the problem is real the public knows it and they don't give a damn whether it's an election year they want to relieve. During production we made multiple requests to interview Governor Pete Wilson for this series and well the day that our problem 87 podcast was released we finally got a date for the interview on the calendar so reporter. From the l.a. Times sat down to have an extensive conversation with the governor but we're going to pick up that conversation when they're speaking about the year 1993 which is right for Prop 27 is introduced I'm going to hand it over to Gustave again now. I asked the governor who's $86.00 now to introduce himself he does and then I'll be honest the 1st 20 minutes of our conversation are kind of wonky but after that it gets. So then you flash forward to 1903 and you throw down the gauntlet you say Ok the federal government has not done its job in illegal immigration I think we should end birthright citizenship I think we should deny public services to undocumented immigrants I think we should deny public education to undocumented immigrants my God health care mushroom I mean in the 6 years from the cobra legislation that made it possible for illegal immigrants to enter their country 18 year old women pregnant go to the county hospital have prenatal care have delivery post delivery and postnatal care. And the children were of course citizens that to me was wrong and what you're going to find out is if you don't do a better job of controlling the border it is going to be all over the country and in no time the estimate of the illegal population living in Los Angeles alone was 600000 which then exceeded the population of Washington d.c. These were people who were frankly living in shadows that was wrong I mean what you want is immigration legal immigration where people become naturalized citizens where they are required to learn the language and that allows them and their children to become 1st class citizens to become assimilated to be able to participate in both the culture and the commerce of their adopted country and that wasn't happening. Do you think one of the 7 would succeed in terms of like ever be initiated into law because you go you know that I did centers and he said that the campaign said don't do 187 we haven't even addressed the issue but in May your campaign releases you know that they keep coming at they keep coming 2000000 illegal immigrants in California the federal government won't stop them at the border get requires us to pay billions to take care of Governor Pete Wilson's and the National Guard to help the Border Patrol but that's not all for Californians who work hard pay taxes and obey the laws I'm suing to force the federal government to control the border and I'm working to deny state services to illegal immigrants enough is enough Governor Pete Wilson talk a little bit about that who thought of the idea for that ad Well I think the idea was pretty obvious and I had a challenge of sorts not much of one in the primer and that was an issue then and my opponent in the primary was on the other side that was why we did it and to draw attention to the differences so you don't think that was racist No I don't I think it was a statement of fact what's interesting to me about that in my podcast I talked to Barbara Kiley the consultant behind one of the 7 and they said that they thought it was racist that when they saw their jaws drop and they said it's probably going to help Pete Wilson's campaign but it's not going to help our cause now all of a sudden race has been injected into a conversation that was just supposed to be about numbers legal versus illegal so what would be your response to that my response is that if they were consultants they were now during their fees because in fact what I intended to do was to make it clear that this was a real problem and a problem of growing magnitude ahead of fact at some point during the campaign probably several points I said. If this does not succeed if we do not get the feds attention and take them into some kind of responsible action then what is now a problem for the border states will be one for all the states yet it will spill over 1st into the south and then to the Midwest Can you see why people think that ads races though well take someone like myself or a lot of people whose parents did come to this country illegally and then they see you know footage with a voice they keep coming almost as it's a bad thing so in the minds of some people they're like that they is us so I can see why people think it's racist you have to agree with that statement Yeah well I don't agree obviously and what I think the people who are here who are offended by that might think did not alter the facts and the facts were that there were also in California a great many naturalized led Tina who are doing just fine do you think at the end of everything here we are 25 years later Proposition 1871 yet 187 not only was it won by a landslide of course the been talking about the bigger metaphorical picture did 187 when well if you mean did it achieve its purpose no because I mean we knew it would be sued would be filed the next day after the election yeah. That was no that was not a surprise it was an expectation 25 years later Democrats control supermajority of the chambers of the legislature How do you feel that so many Latinos directly credit 187 and your campaign against illegal immigration as inspiration for them to enter political life to frankly become radicalized I'll give you the example of my cousins my cousins they belong their construction workers blue collar all of our dads came to this country without papers all my cousins are basically they should be Republicans they do not like taxes they do not like snowflakes they're not social justice warriors all they think about the Republican Party is what happened in 1904 they think about you and their minds they remember Ok a generation ago we were told that our people our selves were destroying California I don't believe that I'm going to vote for the Democrats even though I don't want to what would be your response to my cousins who feel that way that they have been misinformed that they have been misled that they have been told by the Democratic Party that they are being discriminated against by racists that's been the line and that there's been no subtlety and that is one of the things that I find beneath contempt to deliberately mislead people like your cousins who are good people but who have been taught something that is untrue they've been taught that they are surrounded by racists on the other hand though some of my cousins were undocumented you propose them not going to public schools and then people like myself not being able to get American citizenship because our parents were undocumented So at what point are we supposed to believe you when you say we have been misled with all that rhetoric you can see an entire generation of people who came up with that families being undocumented like hey maybe we have an issue with Governor Wilson and I'm sure I can see that because that's all they knew that's what they had been told. Repeatedly and it's untrue but that's what they knew but you did want to ban birthright citizenship and deny undocumented children from going to school so long as what you proposed at least what I wanted Yeah because what we wanted and what the people who had done it the right way wanted I mean no one was more vociferous than lead Tino's who had become naturalized citizens they resent it others being able to cut to the head of the line so then what would be your response then to our family like you're hearing that you didn't do it the right way they add that we ran said that there is a right way and a wrong way to come to America how do you feel about charges that Donald Trump's campaign or issue on illegal immigration is just a repeat of what you allegedly did 25 years ago well it's not the same in terms of tone we made a concerted effort and I challenge the members of the Latino caucus and everybody else and every time I have ever challenge them to find one word that could be construed as racism in the campaign for 187 they have been unable to do so and they come back to the they keep coming That's right yeah that's right well you know unhappily that was a statement of fact and in the 20 years then it has been proven to 25 years since then that prediction has been proven true and it's unfortunate listen we as a nation are the most generous in terms of welcoming immigrants of any country in the world we welcome them because we need them we value them you know those who have come from other countries in earlier waves of immigration have not always been welcomed. Far from it most of them have and most of them have not 3 of my 4 grandparents were immigrants to this country I'm damn grateful they had the moxie to come it was not easy my maternal grandmother came at the age of 16 in storage by herself so I not only am not anti immigrant never have been but to the contrary value they continuing energy drive guts the talent that has been brought to this country by people who came as a legal immigrants do you think one of the 7 ultimately created the California we're in today it certainly helped Yeah and frankly the California we have today needs fixing desperately needs fixing listen the vote for for 187 by the way wasn't just Republicans it was an awful lot of independents and a lot of Democrats as the 940 when in fact at one point there was a report I believe by the Los Angeles Times that a majority of Latinos voters in the state I think your story made that point were for and then at the end 73 percent voted against that well that's because every day every day they were being told that they were victims of racism that is an ugly smear and an untrue smear that is why I think it beneath contempt. Pete Wilson served as governor of California from 1901 to 1909 and what will be Wilson's lasting legacy at least for many Latinos is that he's a man who supported a proposition that in their eyes centered on dehumanizing immigrants who are our family and our friends. Our things to boost that will at a young at least once and and Mike Heflin from the Los Angeles Times for bringing us this interview if you want to hear an extended version of the conversation check out the l.a. Times this is California podcast the battle of $187.00 is a collaboration between the l.a. Times and students. And that's it for today let you know USA is produced by me at my c.s. I'm doing a study Maggie freely. Psystar sit with help from anyone. Were edited by it's of police a car our senior editor is but not the comedy not our engineers are stepping the bow and Julia who so our production manager is nothing good at what our digital team includes got about it not among. 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