That was were laid to rest in northern Mexico a cartel ambush is blamed for Monday's attack that left 3 women and 6 children dead President Trump said the u.s. Stands ready to help Mexico quote wage war on the drug cartels are listening to n.p.r. News for the 1st time health officials are confirming Zico cases originated in Europe and P.R.'s pink Wang reports several people were infected this summer in the south of France 3 cases of the give Iris were found in the seaside city of Yair on the French Riviera the European c.d.c. Says the infections are the 1st time Zico virus has been caught from mosquitoes in Europe they give Iris is especially dangerous for people who are pregnant it's known to cause birth defects like small heads in babies Jimmy Whitworth He teaches at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine says the risk has passed for now it's now. Getting cold. You're going to be dying off I'd be surprised if there was any more transmission that you could this year he says experts don't know how the mosquitoes got the virus so they don't know if he will be back next year but the mosquitoes that carry them are probably there to stay long n.p.r. News Secretary of State Mike Pompei 0 is in Germany marking the 30th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin wall speaking today in Berlin he said it's important for Democratic allies to work together and he defended Trump administration policies that have been wedge issues with allies including tariffs and NATO spending the island nation of Cyprus is revoking so-called golden passports from dozens of wealthy foreign investors saying mistakes may have been made under the program Cyprus grants citizenship to those who've invested more than $2000000.00 in the country but the e.u. Has expressed concern saying it could open the door for outside criminals to set up shop within the block I mean he held in Washington and you're listening to n.p.r. News. Support for n.p.r. Comes from Newman offering a personalized weight loss program based on a cognitive behavioral approach with the goal of losing weight and keeping it off for a good learn more Ed Newman and o.o.m. Dot com and listeners like you who donates a base n.p.r. Station. All right welcome to the nose actually you just missed a really good nose segment about microwave ovens sorry Actually we are unable to share with you right now but who knows we actually we we did roll on and sort of got it so but it's not in our plans today. We're inflexible and flexible of our plans we must do our plans what we say we I mean Rebecca Castellani a music writer for Red Hook star review to do that of producing associative theater works and we'll use a professor of Media Studies at Sacred Heart University So one thing that we all did this week it will talk about this later in the show is see the movie parasite which is a South Korean film about economic disparities but. Didactic in the film is anything but it's as if I don't know it's as if Quentin turned to you know directed a film Chomsky book or something. Anything. Really under that will come to that but for the beginning we're going to talk about 2 things hopefully we'll have time for both of them a little bit later we're going to talk about what did you did you call in the term performative arrests that in one of the articles we read it wasn't yes I coined So so let's dig in for credit performative arrest so our friends like. Sam Waterston who sometimes even listens to the show and jokers led by Jane Fonda and Ted Danson people I think getting arrested particularly on this Friday events on Capitol Hill will talk a little bit about that about Jane Fonda's red coat but 1st we're going to go under Tina conversation about cancer culture although I think what we're talking about this time is slightly new at least it's marked by an article we all read in The New York Times about the fact that there is sort of no this parallel culture developing among the cancelled so there are pod casts I just listen to walk ins welcome which is hosted by somebody who was cancelled for something. You know she has a lot of guests on who have been cancelled for other things we see kids a lot of us the we mean this notion of people who have committed some kind of violation you there by their unsavory opinions or their language their words or and so it is their deeds so people who have been removed or have suffered attempts to remove them from the no I don't know from the minute mainstream discourse I hope I'm doing that just as many ways of the written report walking's welcome our podcasts there is a problem isn't all the quill let there is an album called Galileo's middle finger all of these things are attempts to sort of address this whole question of. Or at least sort of create an environment where people who have been canceled or suffered a times of that can talk about what that's like and coming to have a 2nd chance to make their argument or whatever so I know Bill you're just such a keen student of this whole question so get us off on some lane here well I mean I know I who I would like to cancel today I'd love to cancel Michael Bloomberg but that's a topic for another day and maybe we'll talk about that on the screen but I'll let you know on Monday the problem so let me start by saying I understand the impulse behind it in fact my whole academic career has been built on writing about real racism in the media industries that's existed for a really long time that's that's what that's what I write about and so I I get the impulse of kind of talking back to really offensive speech and to agree just displays of noxious next. The problem with council culture is it's a very very sharp knife and once you start with moving it around you might just end up cutting yourself because I think every single one of us has done something that we could be canceled for and what kind of a culture are we going to have if there is such a kind of narrow lane to walk in that people have to constantly be aware of oh I can't say this I can't say that I have to censor myself about this so while I understand the impulse I think it's a you know I used in our emails I used the phrase getting and I I think there are other ways to respond than to just try to completely silence or or person one off as you say Col and. No one no one is going to kind of come to some great enlightenment when they're shamed they're just going to retreat and maybe they're going to find other like people to ally with right I guess you know what I mean are I was in fact listening to this part gassed called Walk ins welcome and then they were talking the host and the gassed were both people who kind of came from the left and they said look when we were growing up it was the right that one had to censor various kinds of culture that they thought was that you were offensive or too transgressive or too openly sexual or and in their lifetimes the shift that they have seen is that more or maybe equal amounts of sin Sorious seems to be coming from the left you can't say this you can say that he did that's insufficient Sadly I think that's true yeah so I don't know that on the other hand Rebecca I want to go to Michelle at this because I know where she is that all of us so. I think also Rebecca I mean some of this is kind of a good kind of empowerment right culture was top down for a really long time you know like get tough darts in the air that that's what it is you don't own a network you know own a publishing house so. I mean digital culture sort of said well no you know 50 of you could get the other and really mess up somebody who you thought was being a jerk so I don't know I mean is that a power that could be wielded wisely. I don't know I think that the Democrat is ation of this whole process does scare me a little bit because as we can see the fallout is vast I mean the another article you write in tandem with this dealt with the cancer culture in high schools and how teenagers are doing this out for each other in some cases it's used as a learning implement you know there was there was the phrase they used it was. Well in a minute but this idea that you know you can use the cancel culture to help educate kids that aren't necessarily you know getting it the 1st time and you say hey it's not appropriate to use that language and the kid doesn't respond and then say Ok we're canceling you and doing in kind of a light playful way I can understand how that the impetus behind that is pure but it can be taken to such an extreme that then you have kids you know really suffering for it I think back to my high school experience I'm so glad this was nothing I suffered from terrible social anxiety and I certainly said and plenty of things that would have been worthy of cancelling me and I think it would have destroyed me if I had been canceled by my peers in high school I really do so I probably was too sensitive for the world in general but this is this distresses me that the high school kids are doing this or each other well I'm sure I think this is sort of where you're going I mean there's another question and it's kind of it's raised in the New York Times article we read which is like ultimately Which group do you want to go stand with the people who are kind of born in causing a lot of trouble or the people who are saying oh no no no you can't do that I mean for the most part lot of us do gravitate over towards that area where people are exploring stuff maybe I think I love words I'm with the sorest junkie I think the word cancel I think we live in sort of an outraged culture and so I think the word cancel has more weight than actually what's happening and the fact that there is a place for quote unquote canceled people to go and be together and you know the room indicates to me that no one's actually quite canceled and I would suggest that we work cancel middle school is all about canceling people whatever that means but where 90 you know always has and always has been so I think you know I think we're getting caught up in what the word actually means but the behavior has been with us forever and we have to put guardrails around people you know background research would call it personal boundaries but I don't think that means you know you brought up some amazing artists we love. I'm never going to stop listening to Michael Jackson point blank period I mean either I am going to stab was an r. Kelly meter but. I will sometimes step in the name of love does not mean that I believe that one should abuse 14 year old girls I think there's like a new wants in this conversation that it's lacking and I think the word cancel in and of itself is a word that doesn't have a whole lot of nuance do I want to have dinner with Woody Allen probably not I also don't love his movies but I don't think they're meant for me and any way. I did yeah yeah he's got there so let's pick something that is like a problem problem for one of us or maybe more than one of us so one of the artist who came up with Morrissey now I have to say I want to back up and say this I was on Twitter one day and there was somebody who I kind of know on Twitter and who was saying something like Yeah I used to love Morrissey but I guess I can't anymore or something and I actually just linked over to the Morrissey Nancy Sinatra. Collaboration that I really enjoyed like on 15 or 20 years ago as a what there's always this and then she wrote artist he said but yeah but all the you know is you know phobia it's like I said I really started to know about it and I feel like this the 1st problem is it is really hard to keep up with this stuff and Scarlett Johansson was mentioning the New York Times article or Yeah I'd forgotten what she was in trouble for like I really had no I had to look it up I had no memory it was for playing or being allow yourself to be cast as a trans person in the nation and Asian woman you know so it cancel me twice it's all but don't cancel her cancel the doing has decided that it's a good idea and there wasn't just one dude was probably like 8 or so and they're like it's girl joints and hot so cares but let's not have an inability to more so and so let's sort of go there. I have to admit I like Morrissey shame shame me if you want but I never had the illusion that somehow he was. Good guy I like the music I do think his his flirtation with the with the British far right is extremely awful and I despise that about him but. Maybe maybe people would would disagree with me I'm sure a lot of people would disagree with me it doesn't change the music that he's produced which I've responded to maybe there are some lines that would go so far that would result in that the op The only thing I would say about what Tunisia said about nobody is ever really cancelled I think in Morrissey's case more is not going to be cancelled Morrissey's an international superstar who's going to be just fine if a few people don't like him anymore but there are people whose careers actually are cancelled or at least or at least one aspect of their careers cancelled on and on and knows a while ago we talked about what happened to the film critic David Edelstein and he made a stupid joke on Facebook and then fresh air or whoever just responded by just firing him for one just kind of silly stupid joke I think we can make an art and by that man's work and again you know he's finally doing other stuff but Ok I think we can make an argument that the n.f.l. Cancelled the college cap or Nick I think there's plenty of evidence to suggest that that was a deliberate thing and yeah college cap or Nick is just fine and he's making big bank from Nike but his football career was cancelled because they didn't like what he was doing and so I. I hear your point but I do think it can have a really negative impact on on people's lives and the less power you have the more likely it is that you can be really. In some very troubling way I don't have the less power you have the less likely you're getting cancelled because no one's really paying attention to what it is you're doing or saying so I kept noting though in the articles was it wasn't they were talking us to Sara Lee so much about like the professional fallout associated to it was the interpersonal fall and this one journalist who just I read the article that she wrote that she was vilified for it for the stranger and it was good it was a good article and it was good journalism and for her to lose friendships over that simply because the Internet decided it didn't like the stand she was taking is wrong that really does upset me and I actually heard it I would say that like I think that's a great example because I think that particular article where she's talking about sort of trans people and young young people being given hormones at a really vulnerable time well before it suggested they have really understood who they are yet and I think there's a conversation to be had they had and that's a real dirty uncomfortable not straightforward conversation and I think that there are some people who just don't want to have the conversation but she didn't a certain opinion in that article it was just journalism Yeah and that which I understand some people want to run away from and I want to table or don't care and some people like I want people to be parents or like how can you have a culture in a democracy if nobody is willing to to go there because they're afraid of losing friends on the prickly person so honestly if someone's going to defrag me because they don't agree with my opinion about something I'm glad to be right about it's a purge in a way but I think when you're taking us with the younger population and canceling as it is on the Internet to me is very difficult it's very young person you know way that crouch into the Bolling Air And I understand middle school is like that kids are nasty to each other in middle school for generation after generation when you cancel your show. It's really about showing it's more that hub like aspect of that taking something it right now for us exists solely in the digital world and bringing it into real life and I think you see that across the board with digital means that suddenly then make that jump and that are impacting people's physical and mental well being and maybe that's the pendulum we're trying to we're living in a shameless time and we're trying to understand where like what is the group shaming that we're willing to exert so that we can live in the society when the Right right and there's going to be some I think. Fall off and some tragedies and folks left on the side of the road right and I would know one thing that you said before was you know if you're kind of nobody that it's going to cancel You are these are really hard to kids or you if you're really like a big somebody dangerous out there in the middle ground I mean Bill Maher does stuff all the time we're using the n. Word here is go. You know that person in a more of a middle ground could easily be canceled sure but he's sort of too big to fail at this point I mean Michael Jackson seemingly is too big to be canceled and I struggle with news music now but then I reminded myself constantly all the writers . I think about every writer I admire from you know majority backwards has done or said something completely unsavory that countered x. My experience with the art and I think this art versus the artist question comes down to an issue of like where does your line like where does that you should be that like artists were the sort of savages Yeah you know and we just sort of assumed that they were terrible people and as you know it was you know no no you know how we got to well I do know how we got but I think it's interesting that we are now asking people to be perfect which feels odd I was sitting actually it's funny that you say that because I was turning it was really a friend of mine about something that I don't like or just a perspective I wanted them to have because I knew it was a feeling to read about something and there's this Ezra Pound quote that I love problematic right so the one I you know I want to do you know what the law as well remains the. Yet Ross with love as well should not be rough for me so I begin by saying it's too bad that he was crazy and a fan and then anti-Semite because he got a lot of other things right but the quote in there but it's kind of like you now have to take a right yeah I do not subscribe to these beliefs in their entirety. But I don't know what else you do because because we do know things I mean it's impossible to regard as repair neutrally at this point I just I've written both my graduate and undergraduate work on ts Eliot and he was somebody that was notoriously anti-Semitic and it's it was became increasingly difficult for me to evaluate the art without and part of his silly it's you know over is this tradition in the individual talent that the artist must surrender to the art of it's going to have any meaning and I think he really kind of leaned into that it was like who I am as a person can be completely extracted from this and yet when you're studying the whole person the impetus behind that output it comes into the picture you can't help it Miles Davis created what I think is the greatest jazz music that's ever been created across a range of subjects in rows and sometimes left the recording studio and committed terrible acts of domestic abuse. You know what do you do with that there right right all right well one that we could do is arrest everybody I'm trying to say where. Everyone is going to arrest everybody and then gradually release them depending on how it is that we thought were it so you know there was no good so we've done the experiment of arresting everybody your president we're going to go it doesn't work so you know I try to try to make a clumsy segue to something that is happening right now money be happening right right now because it's Friday and it's Friday that means Jane Fonda's getting arrested she I believe is up for her 5th consecutive arrest today as part of a coordinated act of disobedience that I think it was sort of started by gratitude for the environmental the you very young environmental activist but it is now the case that famous people go up on Capitol Hill. And I'm pretty sure been demonstrations and wind up in a zip tie handcuffs and for some reason or other Jane Fonda because she's also announced that she's bought the last piece of clothing she's ever going to buy in her life and it's this red coat and she gets arrested. So I don't know yet so I'm going to go to the person who coined the phrase performative arrest. Trademark take it away. I call it that because. Let's be real the only people who are being performed only arrested look like Jane Fonda and so. And my guess is you know the zip ties and all means it's easily untied and they are getting home for Friday night pizza so I wonder I think what it actually is doing for the cause that she. Is is you know for climate change I think you know Jane has made her career and her fame off of being a political charge and I think she wants to go out in her in a blaze in her red coat storming the Capitol steps but I'm not quite sure it actually has any effect other than showing up on Us Weekly every week with just fun . But not necessarily fruitful Well you know I don't know I don't know I don't know whether I think that's well it was Let's go around the table here so Bill you take it so I think that one thing we should think about is that activism is always performative I think the actor part part I mean a protest is a performative act right that's that's the whole point we're protesting as a performance in order to bring attention to something to me the interesting question here is whether celebrity involvement in these kind of things is productive or not productive you know the right tends to really despise these Hollywood liberals who they see as Dilla times who just get involved in something because it's the cool thing to do and then they go home to their you know multi-million dollar mansions Jane Fonda is a real activist and she's been a real activist and she's been despised by the right since the Vietnam era and I you know I live in a multimillion dollar mansion and I think this is something that she actually really cares about and celebrities are also human beings who I think have the same right. To get involved in these things as we do you know and if if the fact that they are celebrities can help to bring attention to a cause then I'm all for it I'll go back to town copper nickel dime you know the fact that he was counting Cabernets help to spread the message that he was trying to spread to a range of people who probably had no idea what he was kneeling for still though well some still don't you're right and I think it's somewhere in the middle for me I certainly was drawn to this story not for anything other than this really cool red coat and Ted Danson and his cute little newsboy cap and I think this is fun and then I realize what they're protesting for and like climate change is less fun and that was kind of my extent of my involvement in that and I feel like that's a lot of people's It's fun to see these figureheads out there fighting the fight it makes you feel like what am I doing I should probably do more but at the end of the day I closed the article and went about my day I didn't it didn't you know make me take to the streets to protest climate change so I think it's good I think any time somebody who has a platform is going to use that platform for something positive more power to them does it have an immediate impact on the people that are watching that I don't know not I just wonder if there's a better way yeah that's right and I'm not saying I say tongue in cheek this performative arrest because yes yes they have a platform Yes they have a voice I'm not quite sure whether the this is all I know is climate change and red coat right like I don't even think very Do I go anything underneath that that I could take and actually act on. And so that's I think there's a yes and I can tell you they're both there yeah so that's what I feel 1st of all I want to say that I was driving around on Friday afternoon last week and you know you come out of a store or something and turn your car in the interview is happening you don't know who's talking for a sucker and there's this kind of croaky sounding voice of the Who's that talking to Mary Louise Kelly or whoever and then sort of to be found a couple of things happened in the interview one of them was and I just. So I could put myself in Mary Louise Kelly his place because when you get somebody who's really famous you're sort of always feeling like they're they want to go you know. They're tired of this already and so she starts to rev up the interview and funding goes can I say a few more things and she goes on and she has some pretty severe the substantive things to say and I think that stuff sometimes we get bonded with stories and narratives and we like stories and narratives So this red coat she bought it on sale at Neiman Marcus she says is the last item of clothing she is ever going to buy she wanted it because she wanted something that would be kind of attention getting and symbolic as she goes on this crusade and some of her arrests Yes she said yeah usually it's a misdemeanor is $50.00 and you get out and you go home she goes but like on one of those occasions she was in jail for 20 or 22 hours she went up lending the coat to a woman who was cold in the cellar because it was really cold there she wanted taking the coat back from the woman because it turned out there was no mattress to sleep on and she want to sleep for she slept on the read code and she said you know one thing I just learned getting arrested is there are a kind of mental health support service is there no you know the people who are in there Are you often I'm I'm paraphrasing here but she's basically saying something we know which is that one of the ways that mental illness is treated in this country is by arresting people and people are on the streets and they're in jail and there just aren't places where they can actually get any help and she's sort of seeing that so that becomes part of the narrative and you know it gets more attention than if you are I say it because it's Jane Fonda So I think it's good it's like 100 percent good and I think those symbols can be really really powerful I think that you know. The symbols are what people remember and they resonate with them and I think about John Carlos you know during years Olympics protest and you know they came to the platform barefoot and they did all of these kind of things that had this this this historical resonance and you know they raise their fist. And that was an image that has stayed with us through centuries. 3 centuries what am I talking about 3 decades feels like centuries of the last areas but you know and I and I'm not saying that Jane Fonda's red coat is the same as John Carlos who's raised fish but I do think that there are there can be kind of these powerful protesting bulls that do make a little bit of you know because it's all about chiseling in that little crack in the crevice and then that crack can be expanded to the 4th estate was like is a distinctly different beast Also right now you write Yeah I mean he you write a chance and you're here to things underneath Jane Fonda's protest by virtue of the very narrow place in which you hear and consume media through the mass media is literally just the coat and the zip ties but that's what you know nothing under it right but they're not going to do anything else like it's going to live there and then it becomes a Me Yeah. You know and that's how I consume stuff you know as part is I'm not you know taking in everything every 2nd of the day I found that like to exist in the world right now I cannot do that and go about my day so if things trickle down to me through means and I think there's got to be an evolution right let's assume that we keep going this way that that we understand things in the bite size picture how do we then get to the narrative because I don't think that actually filters to NASA is a problem I mean for so like Ralph Nader who has been out in front of like every major public safety consumer health waste of taxpayers' money corruption issue in my lifetime you know but but he wouldn't occur to him to go get a really high catching government. But you kind of need both right you need substance but you also need that theatricality you know and so I'm not resisting at the actor Kelly I think that always helps We love you know I can actually in this country anything that we can latch on to look at the women's March cats are not sure. I can use the 1st part of the word but you know all right go ahead Lucy Gilman already did like 5 times and I was like wow what a person he had as a great example of that mean we latch on to things like that and it becomes a motif for the greater cause I don't think the red coat is the issue so much as the you know this performer of arrest like what is that actually doing for people like me that don't go and then do a deep dive on Jane Fonda and her activism that flags on last time going up the hats came on the back of an election that had had everyone feeling something yes and so it was like paired in a moment yeah right I did not quite sure if she changed to if it would just knit hat that she was a beautiful knit hat that she bought from new markets it would have the same effect as a women's might I think if they had skim on the back of an election that had red that's about right so you know the color red is going to go to the market we have to take a break here so while times like about Paris art which is I think really worth talking about. As. Support for Connecticut Public Radio comes from you our members and from Gateway community college Foundation providing transformational opportunities for our students in our community find out more at Gateway f d n dot org Next time on Studio 360 why Mark Morris thinks almost all dance performances should have live musicians Well I don't want to watch dead dancers either I don't want to dead audience although I've been in situations sometimes where the orchestra is so terrible I wish they'd just put on a record. Superstar choreographer Mark Morris on dance music in his new memoir next time on Studio 36. Was on Sunday afternoon at 2. Don't miss conversations on the green working without a net discussing the role of the press in politics and the challenges of covering the White House and 21000. Watch this life the exchange of ideas and insights featuring c n N's chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta and in d.c. Stephanie Ruhle. Filmed live in Connecticut's own list filled to see it Sunday at 4 pm on c.p. T.v. Sponsored by clear view energy and Glen made. Some port comes from fiddleheads food co-op New London's natural and organic market curating local products holiday special teas and distinctive gifts reserve your holiday turkey today information at fiddleheads food dot co-op Alright we're back we're back we're going to talk about parasites we're going to play a clip because everything in the movie is in core him and also there is wearing all the time in Korea so. But it is the. First day is it in wide releases today it's in $603.00 theaters it's already grossed $7400000.00 domestically I think over $100000000.00 worldwide so it is beyond June hers most financially successful picture to date I would like to point out that I think the 1st to know. Do going to parents on this show was started by Snowpiercer murmuring about sort of yeah I was the 1st but it was very early in the you know so so it was also directed by him so this is it's a difficult movie to describe but let me just quickly say a little bit to set it up it is about a family of 4 living in really dire poverty dire poverty which is not uncommon for South Korea South Korea has economic disparities that actually make ours look rather mild by comparison so they're living in dire poverty nobody has a job and an opportunity opens up at the house of a very very wealthy one percenter kind of South Korean family so the son of the family takes that job and then kind of arranges one by one for the other 3 family members to get jobs often by sabotaging the person who's actually in the job so at the end through not necessarily honorable means all 4 of them are now employed under sort of false identities to by this unbelievably clear. Wealthy family and obviously there's ways in which the this is kind of not going to hold together something's going to rock go wrong because they are deceiving the family about who they are they're not admitting to all being related to one another and somebody is going to find out something bad is going to happen I'm not going to do any spoilers but I'm going to say whatever you think is going to happen it's way worse. It's a lot worse than what you think is Rob probably going to go wrong so I don't know Rebecca this is a hard movie to talk about because 1st of all to me anyway it doesn't resemble any movie that I can think of it isn't like you know there's another movie I saw you know it's definitely there's there's very little I mean when it's nature did bring up in our e-mails that cinematically and kinetically you know a point of comparison which I think is very smart but certainly when I was watching it I thought this is the 1st of its kind and I I've loved Snowpiercer I actually really liked off as well so I kind of thought I had a sense of the director and this completely changed everything for me I. I it's hard to describe it really is and it was the kind of movie I walked away from unable to articulate but it is stayed with me you know it's called parasite for reason it is we don't it's way into my brain and I find myself thinking about it odd times during the day with things that I do that would necessarily in my mind trigger thinking about the movie so it's definitely war and it's way inside my psyche in a way that I was not anticipating it to do and for that reason alone I mean I always say that even if something when it's you know abrasive initially if it sticks with you it's probably a sign of some pretty good art so in terms of movies I've seen this year it's one of the best. Describe it difficult just guy without spoilers difficult Well I mean Bill with what humans were you know he is I think it's both a fairy tale and deeply realistic movie kind of at the same time yeah rather than another film what it reminds me of most is a very dark very mater fairy tale. And I say a fairy tale but a fairy tale about the real world the reason I say a fairy tale is part of what happens and this I don't think this is really a spoiler is that a friend gifts the sun this large have the decorative rock. And then the son betrays him and that sets all the rest of it into motion with some very very negative consequences for the betrayers but and then bit by bit each member of the family gets pulled into this but then I think that the Rebecca said the title and then just the whole notion of betrayal I think is deep and becomes very multi-dimensional when you start really thinking about what who are the real parasites and who are the real betrayers as this family gets involved. With a very very wealthy very very comfortable and clueless and self-absorbed another family and that's where American eyes and that's where the conflict really originates from global. Their global but they are using to do in that you know American names they're laughably go yeah yeah so you know one thing that I would say about this to me is that I. My reactions to this movie are very similar to Rebecca's and the bills but it's not as was the only movie that I would say to anybody I met or you have to go see. You actually go see this movie you're really going to enjoy a lot I mean I wouldn't want to be on that kind of footing with you know yeah it's so funny when it was floated that this was the time the sort of. Big topic for the week I had d.m. And Jonathan one of the producers. Instagram post from Quest Love because he had posted how amazing movie was and in the comments was Chris Rock saying exactly the same thing and I just thought to myself Ok well now I'm intrigued to see this thing because here are these 2 sort of culture icons really giving an endorsement for this movie let me go check it out and when the movie turns I immediately went to us a guy media was like oh I know what this movie is about and I know what this movie is trying to do. And so for that I it is a trend. I think it is appropriately equal to us and I just should quickly say she's talking but the Jordan Peele movie us yes the love of your views are you as opposed to us. This is now if you think about it the more of those kind of connections there are yeah and so and so and because of that sort of connection for me I was like Of course it's going to be seen throughout the year at the awards shows and of course it's going to be given I will tell you I prefer Snowpiercer 100 percent really to this yes. Because I think both classes are sort of treated. As icons as opposed to people and I'm not quite sure if that actually pushes current film in Paris or and I'm not quite sure of that puts the conversation forward in any meaningful ways it is an allegory in some ways and just like fairy tales the character kind of embody certain ideal and philosophies rather than being totally and completely real human Yeah I think they were all sort of worst of their asses and that to me. In the same way is cancelled. I have a lot of time you want it was lacking for me I do have a lot of empathy for. The son though there to to me and I would and I won't say exactly what it is because it would be kind of a spoiler but there are some heartbreaking aspects of the son and his relationships to his father and so so I agree with you that you know in terms of they did function more. As philosophical ideals that as that as real you know fully embody human beings I still though Minish to have a lot of empathy for them as characters you know one question I have and it is a question I wish we had somebody on the panel from South Korea because that would be helpful because I'm coming back from the fall I was wondering about how it's perceived in so so in South Korea in terms of wealth disparity figures and the low bottom 50 percent of the population has access to 2 percent of the country's wealth and that's that's how stark it is and you know and one of the things that I think is clear from this movie I mean one of the messages that maybe we'd need to be told is being really really poor and being unemployed and chronically unemployed and having little chance of rising from your miserable station doesn't make you a better person it's poopy it's movie it's literally poopy Yeah but it does make you a better person you know and just makes your desperate right and that's what I was sort of wondering is how like as I watch that movie I mean this family this impoverished family does some pretty rotten thing betrayals you know really rotten things in order to sort of get get the jobs that other people have in the same way and I just wondered how that looks so I have a little bit of a problem with that because like there are rotten eggs and I think the movie has a little bit of a problem with that too because we certainly are obliged to confront the humanity later of one of the people who loses a job through this you know and if there is I act but I just wondered whether a South Korean audience to go home yes that was you just go do stuff like that because you know it was going to be you know I don't know and America is moving in that direction it's not as stark yet but but that is the trend that's the direction we're moving in and look that in the film they betray members of their own class but that's exactly how capitalism works it turns those who are on the outside against each other because then they don't unite to turn against those who are in power as are different I think they're pretty well Marxist but I think the inequality isn't there yet but the idea that you know in order to move forward we aren't. Machiavellian and I always feels a little disingenuous I mean I think that we may smile as we are stabbing someone but I don't think that. Our countrymen are just these virtuous I'm going to keep trying to get ahead on my own accord. And there are no tragedies there are no just just cause I think there's a question of moral guilty too I think they err in the military I think the design and we read a fast an article about the design of the set and I think the fact they live in a sub basement and not a true basement and later on without being a spoiler you are encountered another family to live in a true basement and that disparity there were that at that point they stand to their having visions about taking over this whole house and it being their house and I think there's a real know about how quickly greed can imbue you with all this justification to continue on a path at that point they're making a lot of money they owe more money than they've made folding pizza boxes it was the 1st scene in the movie so I think that really was the kind of struck me as a how quickly that could occur up to you and turn you into you know I'm going to do whatever I can to get to the top of the pile I will tell you that it's a huge hit in South Korea it's made 10 times as much money. In Or maybe 7 times as much money Lynsey you know $10.00 times as much money so curious that I was there 70.1.9000000 dollars in South Korea star is certainly resonating there it is and the one last thing that I would like to say about it is that I'm some of the person who took a miss is this kind of thing you know we need James or somebody around but I think visually this movie is really striking that rouse the sort of kind of Korean Philip Johnson kind of glass house you know that there is really really a fascinating thing you know becomes character like a set design is a natural it's like it's a character you know the house is it's like a living breathing organism that the whole thing kind of threads through and then they use the visual use of the peach is yeah it's like Koppel and his origin or something. Yeah and the rock that Bill was talking about some slow motion sequences accompanied by. This very. You know intense kind of classical music yes that which is a rigidly composed I thought that was just like Mozart but I didn't know these cuts of Mozart like for really the score is but there are scenes that are you know almost ballet like yeah and scenes that like happened to that traditional horror motif which when I watched the trailer I was expecting like a proper horror movie more like us I think us definitely had more elements of typical horror that I look for in a horror film and I don't like scary movies so I was on the edge of my seat anticipating it to take that turn into true true horror and there's a certain point where you think it's going to and then they and that has on the edge of my seat more so than if it had been a slasher film the whole way through the long foreplay Yeah both movies are also very funny really give up on being funny too I mean I was laughing well into you know some of the horrible when you know all this a comedy or drama I don't think you would call it anything you would kind of you know in the little blurb in the newspaper or an old guard on the web that says dark comedy thriller came to previously have you suggesting it's a horror Yeah it's really there is so much more that like the previews before the movie yes yes oh yeah and I was all nervous about that Mike Green would be watching this movie behind my eye like fingers is going to get worse but it was not that would all start we should really stop here but the movie is parasite is playing in theaters all over the place and wider release now than it was last week so you should have no trouble seeing it and I think we mostly think you should. Let me down as those he goes. Support comes from Hartford Stage presenting Molly Smith Metzler as Cry it out directed by Rachel Alderman our candid comedy about motherhood and the power of female friendship on stage through Nov 17th Hartford Stage dot org lactose or sucrose cows milk or is soil these are the questions parents are asking about clear baby formula I'm Ira Flatow and this week on Science Friday a look at the ingredients in infant formula and what science says about Plus why the n.i.m.h. Is worried about scientific espionage mainly from China it's all on Science Friday from Dover the n.y.c. Studios. Join us this afternoon at 2. Cinnamon nutmeg Ginger cloves individually each of these spices are strong on their own right but combined they make up something bigger pumpkin spice did you know that every day n.p.r. News combines the latest news with in-depth reporting stories that stick with you local perspectives and it gets you something else greater than the sum of all its parts It's called Morning Edition listen every morning. And weekday mornings from $5.00 to $9.00 support comes from the heart school and the Richard b. Garment and chamber music series presenting Meredith Monk a vocal ensemble cellular songs in concert Nov 14th at University of Hartford tickets at Hartford dot edu slash Garmin e. My name is Don song was very sick she was coughing and coughing so I gave her some peaches and they just made her coffee even more anyway producer Jonathan mc pants isn't answering his phone so my friend came in and produced the show and I'll continue to do so part Bill carry with me by my uncle. On Monday key will be producing the scramble news from politics and sports and now back to college or right before we do endorsements and recommendations and things like that I want to remind people if you haven't been reminded of enough already that our 10th anniversary party for the Col American Road Show will be Wednesday of next week a blackguard sallies tickets $25.00 you can like a drink them some food and stuff and so get some get your tickets now right at the w. Npr dot org homepage and just a little place where you click and get those tickets and we'd love to see you there it's really we were doing this because we want to see the listeners and stuff and you probably want to see some of these fascinating people as well and a lot of the movie there although I don't think Bill will be in Baltimore. Anyway please do that and now it's time to make some recommendations indorsements and stuff like that. And we'll see if Tunisia for last because well there is a really like interesting that it straddles Robert I don't want to put a lot of pressure on you but I think if you like once Don't worry my 1st one is an app indorsement is a nerdy outdoorsman It's called Bird now it's quite simple bird net it's by Cornell labs and what it does is you can hold it up and it will record the song of a bird that you're hearing in your backyard and it will tell you what that bird is so it's a bird it's just Sam for birds and it's amazing I have been amateur bird watching my entire life and identification by song is something that is alluded me until now and it's really helping me learn some more song birds so bird now nobody but great not bird no not bird not going to miss the opportunity I thought but whatever Cornell is not in the Game of Thrones. And my 2nd one or 2 books I read over vacation recently there are light but really well written there by Madeline Miller the 1st song of the killings in the 2nd was thirsty and they both were lovely reimagining of these Greek myths we all know so well and love and I think she did a beautiful job with them so if you're looking for something relaxing to read check those 2 out since he's getting all kinds of love all of a sudden he's someone else you know that it's really just in your I really like there's a sign of Achilles is great but seriously was really exceptional All right Bill what have you got for us this is this is always the hardest part of the show for me just because I feel like there's so much the political world is in shambles the environmental world is worse but I think the cultural world is like really thriving and kicking and this is going to be a little bit it's going to sound a little bit like an advertisement I think h.b.o. Is killing it again on Sunday night so good watchman is my favorite show I think it's so great but it's not just Watchmen I think even you know as late in its career so what Tom Valley is still really sharp really poking a finger in the eye of big tax and then the new show Mrs Fletcher It's based on a Tom Perrotta novel which I really like but completely different than the leftovers it's a story about a woman and what happens to her a single mother and what happens to her in her life when her son goes off to college and it's kind of a comedy but it's also really poignant and I'm just loving that Mrs Fletcher all right down on all those doing the same lineup as the Oh yeah right then you sort of you got for us well if you look you've set this up for me beautifully because I know plan that with with the fall of democracy is a great rise in cultural capital so I'm going to endorse democracy. Because this Michael Bloomberg thing has me wondering whether or not we're going to run in that direction because he feels like the. Other guy that we may want to get out and I just want to say to be mindful of the potential all the Garko Republik we may be setting ourselves up for. And so democracy she's a fragile girl she needs to be cared for. Don't cancel her study that means that you have to participate and that takes a lot of work and I know sometimes Sunday. Sedation is a little bit better but we can do this I believe that we can do that characteristic of Norsemen so I'll just sort of build on the sedation. Again and I think that's what I wanted he said. So. So no I would just add that it doesn't drop on Sundays or drives on Mondays but and it's a little bit more traditional and a little bit implicitly less hip than some of the other stuff that's on h.b.o. But Helen Mirren is playing Catherine the Great right now and 1st of all she probably see almost anything Helen Floyd. To a point anyway and in the Romanovs are horrible people and I get that and it's pretty clear that. In this thing that they sort of understand that as well but it is it's a riveting performance and some of the performances taking place around her points are also worth watching so I mean I would watch the other stuff the 1st probably and I'm more than Watchmen right now that I'm in Catherine the Great and then just a nother quickly endorsed partly because we've started to exploring it as we're in January we're going to be doing a thing at walk in center about life and career and music and so and also singing career of Laura Nero so learn you know some of the missing songwriter and it's just interesting even if you mention around a dinner table and people do stuff like I just I think I just the Tunisians had kind o. Wobble over there it's like you know people just sort of. She has a very unusual hold over people who get that music and care about her but one of the things that we've been also exploring a little bit as Reese begin to talk about this is that she's also kind of a remarkable singer and so one of the songs that we're focusing on and if you come on Wednesday night you'll hear it performed by Latanya Farrel is going to take a miracle which is a song that was a regionally it's actually called it's going to take America it was actually written for in Little Anthony Imperials they were having a copyright fight with their people and they wanted not recording it and then this group of young women for. Baltimore called the Royal let's record the song and it's had kind of a moderate with it and then Laura Nero recorded it and it kind of blew up a little bit it really got its 1st big audience probably because she has this kind of she actually sings it is really tough kiam her version of it is really really interesting and then as people may remember Denise Williams actually turned it years and years later turned the song into I think number one r. And b. Had in the top 10 I think on the Billboard charts it's a wonderful song if you don't do any other Laura Nero stuff this week and see if you can find her singing it's going to take a miracle and then come on Wednesday because the time is going to crush it I happen to know. Her. Support comes from the hills that museum's holiday boutique with local artists an artisan gifts saddos magical arrival by fire truck and a festival a decorated museum open house December 7th and 8th details at Hill stead dot org. Brain drain is a global phenomenon take Germany for instance where the economy is still integrating decades after the fall of the Berlin Wall the best. Way to an immobile people would get up and went to the best to and made to. Germany's invisible economic long market hope you can join us tonight at 630. Connecticut Public Radio's news reports are made possible by Bristol health triple a travel and a sun a plastic surgery center and meds listen for news reports on Morning Edition and All Things Considered at Connecticut Public Radio we believe keeping you informed is essential to a thriving community and a healthy democracy your support makes it possible Thank you This is Connecticut Public Radio n.p.r. And n.p.r. Age 51 married in at 90.5 w p k t w p k t h d You won Norwich at $89.00. 88.5 our ally Southampton at 91.3 and w n p all dot org. Has Chinese espionage stealing American biomedical research I'm Ira Flatow and this is Science Friday. The legit theft involves scientific ideas designs devices data.