But yeah man I you know went there play ball for year wasn't doing everything else supposed to do kicked out of school did you like college where you regret so when you got no I don't like it it was way I want to go to school no women and I don't I don't want to do any more scholastic activity I thought of high school I was like nah I don't want to do homework any of that I was ready for the world you know make money and just start having things I thought you know was you become an adult you just are automatically having things but. That's not the case that I'm like down with my partner and I'm like Ok I want to 48 of them knew that I was the good you know I was them but you know it's tough to get to the things you want in life and you know I was right I was trying to skip a lot of steps you know I mean skipping school you know. Selling crack and so on heroin to get a leg all that stuff was. Kind of been a detriment you know it's my life how did you end up rapping were you writing verses before you went away to college Ronnie Allen I story my friend Ronnie Allen my boy I grew up we grew up on the set here on day you know I was working in this. So I got kicked out of college or not and on him my 1920 years of working at this. There's Janki shoe store called Payless you know so if I'm familiar with a story Rivera vinyl mothers who are you know I mean so you know my mom kind of made me work that. You know she knew I was you know out here trying to be Tony Montana you know so she was I now you got to go somewhere and get a job real quick so I was working there and my homeboy it was like walking to the village you know laughing at me about his last name because I was working this change you know when I look stupid so he was laughing at me and then he was here these C.D.'s in his pocket I was a you know pick the cd and I was like man it's crazy that you've got your face on the cd barcode on and all of this you stats will record I was amused and I was myself I was how do you do this he was like and I Man Just car I would not show you you know how to do it the a barber you know I mean so I was going to his basement get my hair cut so I had to be cutting my hair Abhi soaking up the game I just be that I'm just talk about it and he started talking about the studio he's going to. We introduced him to this guy named thing a road a studio you know Gary and once I started like going to tell him I just go out in the thinking about rap and you know I mean I don't know if I want to get into this rap weight is a good way to be a d.j. . Maybe I'll be his manager or something like that but once I got in I'm in an in like thing a rose studio and I was a star seeing like the caliber of rappers I was going in there and I'm I mean it's a good. And I was like man I could do it you know so once I started getting my head that I could do that then it was a rat you know I mean and you know you know the outside forces the things that I was going through in my life you know gave me some things to rap about you know I mean like I was working odd jobs I was selling crack you know I mean lose and crack you know I mean getting beat up by drug bills fell on the money. You know beefing with gains from across the tracks so it was like I had all that all that pain. You know I was defeated so I used all that you know become undefeated so I just I like everybody does like this to me like when they did they was making music too so I just I like this and them back they can dish raps other rappers and Gary and stuff like that and like I was like put my phone number on it's like I mean I think I was bald man at that point I really care if I get killed or not you know the music music is kind of like a manifesto and then like you know Lambeau found it being the answer because I put my phone number on in any manner as it is 3 and weave in Iraq and it was. As you know at the beginning what kind of instrument you had I mean did you ever have a moment where you could look I'm a professional public radio host right right I'm supposed to have pipes right and I'm fine I've got to Ok not to buy I'm not qualified. But you're putting me to shame here you think so I think so no way yeah. Yeah I had an instrument there I feel like the 1st time if I was you you know you sound different inside your head now tight now that's tough but like the 1st time I talked wrapped into a microphone so laid back I did like yeah I am pretty good. That's out that's how I feel I'll play on man and it ain't bad I offered rapid fire like some like 50 bar. Freestyle type thing I don't know what it was you know I mean but it was definitely unstructured but it was good you know I had patterns and you know light years ahead of the rabbit I was you know 23 years old but. You know at the time and you know I was like years ahead of the guys around me so I stood out instantly and it was just you know I try to. Trace back to where the rapping ability came from for me because I really don't know man you know I look at it like the Virgin Mary baby Jesus I woke up with this thought of wonder because I'd I definitely was in the guy's school being on a desk right in this school I never had the dream of being a rapper at all period I always knew coming up in my life that I was going to be somebody saw something the notoriety but I don't know what it would be hopefully I thought it would be it actually that's my dream I still dream about being an athlete every day I go to the gym and work out like a bull in a fish but. I don't know what you know where I will make my mark in life but I know I will make some kind of light but definitely not a rap and it's balls and I'm Jesse Ford My guest is Freddie kids and you have a really distinctively flexible style as a rapper like there's a long tradition of gangsta rappers with powerful voices and to claim a Tory style of you know people who are making pronouncements. Whether that voice is deep and rich or you know whether it's easy and it just cuts through everything right. And I can see your connection to you know I hear Scarface when you're rapping you know right maybe the most beautiful rap place that's ever existed and I want to just one of the greatest rappers ever but. I also hear especially on these Madlib records mad the beats are going all over everywhere you know it's not it's not it's not the most straight ahead beats in the world to rap over and you maintain that feeling of effortlessness even when you're rapping double time when you're fast rapping and that is like to maintain your personality and your presence while moving through styles in that way and keeping your voice metaphorically speaking what it is when you're bending and flexing to these wild Madlib beats is a really impressive thing to me. There's a lot of rappers who can be that flexible and remain themselves right there like. A lot of regular workloads period I mean like I feel like if you train motor so to those beats and just giving his word and has accepted then you know I don't think it will come off its source. I read a great interview where what you said when you 1st started working with mad lad you listen to one of his collaboration's with m.f. Doom and he said to yourself all right I'm better than that right I did like I was like a rap like this I mean I can write better and it's like I was like this whatever by tripping over Madelyn I was like mad Bill and I was like Ok just cool I was like that that was the thing I was like and I have those like him and it's classic right here man is this dude he stuck in London he can come back and everybody one another from him and all that is you know is kind of like I felt like Lambert was like challenging me I like when people challenged me I like when people tell me not necessarily stand he said I couldn't do it but it's like I like when people put a role block in front of me so I could be like I mean the way. You gone never say we got to top this but they always put in my face like this is the classic you know I mean I'm like I'm going to say I'm like I don't care about the you know I mean like mad dylan i'm like i cood you know I mean we so this do like to really put some real pain on here instead of these like goofy cartoon metaphors and stuff like that he's cool you know I mean but I'm like man I'm up like talk about some real stories from real crime stories from room Street Stories and drugs tales you know the means. To get you out of that and a body of a gate I don't know man the beast it's balls I guess he thought my guest is the rapper Freddy gets I know how much you love Scarface I do to the rapper Scarface and one of the things that I love about Scarface as a rapper. Is He's music never feels like it could come from anyone else is always very deeply personal and when he raps about street stuff which he still does now as you know I guess the face is probably in his mid late forty's now. You know about something like that. When he raps about street stuff even when he was younger much younger you never felt far from the pain and regret that that stuff and genders even in a person who succeeds or makes it out or any of those things like you never lose sight of the sad part of being involved in straight stuff right which is you know even if you're the world's greatest drug dealer right and you didn't get caught and you didn't go to jail and you got rich you still at some point handed drugs to somebody is modern dad or pain involved you know that you know because you know dealing with their lives there's no happy ending. So you know the best thing you know you could do is you know if you've got to deal with that and be in that life is to you know make you know enough for you to like start something else to start another business they may not make it a lot make a as much money as that initially or. Do something when you go you know become an entrepreneur or you know I mean really does the main thing you know you've got to hustle just Also yourself what would be as nice as you know I mean like trying to be a career drug dealer is dangerous. And is that it is not just to you with your family next to me you can't be gone it's inevitable you're going to do eventually well finish up my interview with Freddie Gibbs after a quick break we'll talk about why he starts every live show with a prayer backstage it's a bull's eye for maximum fun dot org And n.p.r. . 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Why is that it why is that important why is that a choice you made instead of sort of for free to leave that behind correct. I mean really man I'm not far removed from you know I mean a lot of my friends are still in the streets the rap game is afforded me to be able to not be in the streets but you know a lot of my close friends are still living those lifestyles you know I mean I'm not I'm definitely not on a corner or rad around on the drugs all day you know I'm a functioning musician with 2 kids you know I mean I'm on the road oh daddy duty but that's a part of you is never going to leave you you're always going to have those stories there's always going to be those street undertones and you know I come from a place a place of underdogs some always going to think you know the underdog and how that I'm always going to feel like I got a rebel I got to resist or you know somebody putting something in my way you know I mean like about how to run up or only put that chair in front of the door you know I mean like I knocked the hell out of that chair you know I mean with all my might you know I mean no if you tell me to door like come kick the door down I'm a kick a little bit harder you know I mean because you know at that point you know fighting for my life. You were acquitted a few years ago of sexual assault in Austria and you very much to your credit have talked publicly about the fact that you don't want your story to be shown as an example of accusations of rape frequently or regularly being false which they're not rare. Any more than other accusations of major crimes nobody ever tells somebody they just got robbed that they're lying because they were robbed but there there was a lot of exculpatory evidence in your case that eventually led to you being found not guilty and if I didn't if I didn't personally if I didn't believe that it's awful to have evidence you would be here. But you know you were well into your career when this happened it happened thousands of miles from where you live right in a country where you don't speak the language you know you were you were arrested in France and eventually extradited to Austria and you spent a lot of time either living in Europe because you weren't allowed to leave Europe or in jail and your right to what extent did you trust that there was an end to that inside I mean I presume that you knew yourself to be an ascent but beyond that to what extent did you think this will have an end I was going to and let me do it seniors and often in prison the fact that I knew that I was innocent was the hard part because it was like Ok damn if I don't even notice a girl I never I never even gave her high 5 you know I mean like if she walked in the room I probably wouldn't be able to say what she looks like right now. I'm like Bro if they can indict me audio here and must you know muster enough or whatever it is because it was a 0.00000 evidence whatsoever linking me to this so whatever they mustered up to get. A grand jury in another country to end me on something that I definitely didn't do after they've taken my blood my. Saliva my plasma my semen all my body fluids to see if they matched the d.n.a. They already have there for the rape and this 0000 match and you have no evidence of me even touching his girl if you can do all that going from me I'm going to you. Know I'm going to jail because. I'm already in a in an impossible position I shouldn't even be here you know so the whole time I think in my notion was like Man somebody's got it often you know it's got to be this is. Some This big in Austria government is this big and you know you know they're like I was like Man is some some power to be I don't know and because I'm like This is totally ridiculous if I was any other person if I wasn't black if I. Don't know maybe if I was I think about this maybe if I was a more popular rapper maybe I wouldn't have been in that position maybe if I was in the street rap or I would have been an episode because one of my friends here is in France where the 1st thing they said oh yea they gave they gave a whole gang history on me he's in a gang from Gary Indiana. Yeah gang ties mob ties no we can't cram a bill I'm like How did that come up in a rape case you know I was there I just was always thinking I man of I was this person and that person I would be in his position you know I hate the reiterated Well you know I look at the way things were handled like I said Rocky like he got a ho presidential record the day should you know I mean you know for something that you know he actually you know they always count he did you know found gets you know like I'm not you know there's a lot of people compare my situation to haze and I'm like man all that. I know compares to you know the like you know my situation was totally I was you know 1st of all wrongfully accused man it's just. My country I pay taxes to really help me you know I mean I feel like I don't get really any support from the rap community like that you know I mean it was a couple you know little to you know guys that I you know deal with personally you know they gave me you know that show me but you know for the most part and I and I don't you know it don't matter man you know me because you know I'm I'm a crime fighter you know supported rap from it here on care less but I'm saying like you know when something like that on the line. I mean the thing that I thought about was that wow you know you went you were arrested while on tour in Europe years after the incident had been alleged to have happened right and by the time you were arrested and ended up having to spend what way 6 or 9 months and . Addressing that situation you had a kid. That was back home without you around that was the 1st thing that I thought of as a as a parent of 3 like beyond. Being in jail for a significant portion of that time and having to deal with living in a foreign country with out any means of income and etc etc etc It was just like you couldn't be there for you can't write and I was just for the I'll just say my world has crumbled man life from that man of my man that was probably the worst thing a biggest thing I have in the lifeline my daughter and mother over to France and Austria and my mom. To fly my mom over there and you know. Maybe you don't know jail and so you do jail brought because. It's a whole different game and you damn you got to be rich to do jail a broad broad like that critical that small group. Thank God it is. You're listening to bull's eye I'm Jesse Thor and my guest Freddie Gibbs is a rapper his latest album is a collaboration with the great producer of Mad lab it's called bandana I was reading an interview that you did with. Actually with n.p.r. With training Kelly and we show you the homicide and one of the things that you said was that you prayed before shows. And the way you described it struck me because you didn't describe praying for. Success in the show or you know to have a great show or. Even like you know about Allow me to share my get a fair something and you hear people talk about how their relationship with God is what you know which people have gifts you know I'm a should share my bum bum bum I get that. But just thing you said you prayed for was execution was the word that you used which is to say the like to be able to do the thing that you were there to do right and I was I was really struck by that. When I go to a show like. It's great that you mention that gives people that I want to share I guess I am sheriff but you know kind of put the crowd on me I've got a game plan what I want to see done out there are what I want to do and what I want to come across with I just like to point in the back of the crowd that I want to like could be a nail on a wall or to be anything you know I just want to fast that I want to look at all night and I look at that on your think about the crowd of course talking like physically hear them and see them but you know mentally I'm locked in a whole nother zone you know I think it just occurred to me sincerely what it reminded me of and that was I grew up with a parent and a and Isa go to meetings with him and they always do the serenity prayer in a way which the thrust of which is simply the will to change the things I can change. You know yeah there's serenity to accept the things I can't and the wisdom so that difference I'm getting it wrong sorry everybody is in a program. You know it's like it's like what you are asking god for and that prayer is to let you be within yourself and do this thing that you can do. Like you're not asking for special powers or anything you're just asking to be able to do the thing that's within you know you know just let me control what I'm controlling anything and I can control just let it be like if the light man fall down all the curtain that's on him you know I mean like a Pravy I mean like I can you know that you know I will forward a lot of big festivals and things that nature and I see a lot of the. You know show they get dancers you know me and I think that's an injury Come on I 30 have a dance one time you mean you know being in a lot of that I got to give them something wrong you know and that's what I offer they're going to go in the past you know well for a Gives I really appreciate you taking all this time to talk to me on balls I was really nice to me. Good to talk to thank you. Freddy gets bandana his new record with Madlib is out now it's great let's go out on one more track from album with this is called cataract. It's bull's eye and Jesse It wasn't long ago less than 10 years that record labels used to send dozens and dozens of unsolicited C.D.'s in the mail so many unsolicited C.D.'s and obviously we all know why record labels aren't spending any more money on thousands and thousands of free cd is for radio producers and D.J.'s and music critics and so on and so forth but it was a nice time in my life. I was actually how I heard about my next guest I was doing this show out of my apartment in Los Angeles and we got a cd it's black and white photograph on the cover picture of a man's hand and on the hand there was a woman's face the band was called Black Superman and the title was eating us and I listen to it mostly because I thought the cover was interesting I had no idea what to expect. It turned out it was very. Rich and kind of dirty and unsettling there are all these old synthesizers and bits of tape distortion and weird processed vocals they sound a bit like Boards of Canada or maybe David Bowie or 9 Inch Nails. It's very difficult to describe but I couldn't stop listening. So I was excited to book an interview I mean who was black last super rainbow so I asked the publicist and the publicist emailed me back very politely sorry they don't want to do any publicity at all in fact when they performed they wear masks so I just tabled it as it turns out black mark super rainbow is basically this one guy his name is Tom He lives in a house in Pittsburgh he records also as tobacco and has put out a bunch of albums under that name too. If you've seen the show with Silicon Valley on h.b.o. There's a tobacco song in the opening credits. Anyway we asked again just recently and tobacco said yes we're so grateful he did before we get into the interview let's hear one more black super Rainbow song as once off their latest record which is called Panic blooms the song is we might come back. Tom tobacco Welcome to both sides I 2nd the show thanks What was your 1st Century guitar was like 15 cousin Cami tell me how to play Where'd you get it I got for Christmas I'm kind of been in the music for a couple years and my parents thought of a good idea maybe do something constructive I read a story. Somewhere that you were you were talking about you had in your teenage years and your dad got you a subscription to c.m. J. The college music journal I think it was and just listening to the cd that came with it every month. It's like an unusual version of the I have an all or sister. Story as to where you learned that music was more than just what was already oh yeah I miss that I miss that magazine Yeah I found everything there that this was like I like one year before my parents had the Internet yeah it was cool it was cool I wish I was still around Jeff but he said we're into it I mean where they're like. Punk rock or you know underground hip hop ads at your school or was it a solo pursuit we were more into like. You know we were more like a fixed wing kind of kids he picked one out of her because of Canada that's probably why I got my 1st sense I thought everything had to be done with a guitar for a long time and then. I can change everything what was the 1st center size of it you got it was a Yamaha c s 5 it's probably the only one I could afford and the time super cheap I don't know much there now but I remember it being like really cheap back then like 2003 maybe 2002 like 50 bucks maybe what could it do it was a modern synth and I didn't know what that meant. So going to play one on a time I didn't know what any of the knobs did I just turned on until the sound until it sounded the way I wanted it to you know it couldn't do much but there's a black mark album called Started people and pretty much the whole thing was made on the most or at least. It's Paul's I'm just before I'm talking with the musician tobacco. I had a friend in college who. Was always noodling around on his guitar watching like a u.h.f. Rerun of news radio or whatever then one day I think his junior year of college he came he's like hey guys i. I made an album. And we were like We didn't even know you were writing songs I just thought you were like playing Led Zeppelin riffs to entertain yourself and I wonder when did you start making the music that you were making public. Pretty early too early like the soon as my parents got the internet I found like there's this website called him p 3 dot com and everyone like me who like wasn't ready to be uploading the stuff with upload their stuff I just I always believed in it even if it when you look back on it now and it's like some of it's terrible but I do like this soon as it was done I wanted to get it out there and I think that's I don't think that's a good thing I think that's if I could change one thing I would probably go back and like stop myself and like try to like cure rate and wait until things got a little better because I think you kind of shoes off in the foot and you put yourself out you know when when you're putting your your 1st ideas that have a really having time to marinate you kind of run the risk of turning people off. To what you do because that 1st impression thing you know so why do you think you put out your music too early were people being mean to you about it no I just wasn't I wasn't fully formed a little premature my lungs weren't developed all the way you know just looking back on some of the stuff now it's like I. Can't I just waited a year maybe but that's my own like everything I ever do I'm always going to look back on it critically and wish I had done in a different way do you have a hard time embarrassing yourself I don't know I mean if. I probably embarrass myself every single time I'm on stage. I get paid for it. And. We have even more with tobacco Stay with us it's bulls eye for maximum fun dot org And n.p.r. Wouldn't you love to start your day with the news you need all on one page it's called Your start your quick morning dose of reliable news start receiving your start today visit c.t. Public dot org slash newsletter. Next time on Studio 360 she changed the style of theater. David Hyde Pierce to one of the many students. Who turn from a great actress into a great acting teacher she had to come up with all this grounding reality because of that otherwise she would just fly off into the wings because she was so innately theatrical celebrating the birth centennial of Buddha Haga next time on Studio 36 to listen this afternoon it to. Support comes from fiddleheads food co-op a Natural Foods Market in downtown new. London kicking off Tuesday October 1st when the store wide celebration an educational workshops all month long info at fiddleheads food dot co-op. Hi I'm Jordan Cali. For n.p.r. Member station and the n.p.r. Wine for every bottle tells a story. Like the Wait Wait Don't Tell me. 21 years. And. Not foundation for more than 90 years supporting efforts to promote equitable. More and. This is n.p.r. . I'm Jesse thorn My guest is Tom track he's a musician and songwriter he records solo as tobacco he records also as the band Black super red. What was it like the 1st time that you went on tour 1st time we went on It was pretty surreal. And we had been asked by the Flaming Lips for a month. So that being my 1st tour was. Hard to process I didn't think about it like. Didn't deserve to be there. Much live performing at all at that point we would you like 2 shows a year like. We had done like 3 or 4 years of a few shows every year so like probably. I don't know like 10 shows or something point where you already anonymizing yourself at that point in the band's history Yeah you know it's not like there was any need. Something we cared. We were anonymous you don't have to tell people we were being anonymous. I forget exactly when I picked up the name tobacco but I had a d.v.d. That store for sale it was the 1st tobacco album like The year before it came out it was put to video. So I was that person or thing by that time. When people come up to you after a show and tell you what your music means so them are you able to. Accept what they say. Yeah. It's sort of sometimes all I can do is stand there and his keep saying thank you because I don't know I don't know how to live up to maybe what they think I am or you know the things that my music means to them I thought I'm not always sure that I can live up to that you know I mean. So I can I mean I can accept it but it's not I mean that's like I really specially like the past few years I've really grown to appreciate that like when people tell me stuff like you know like the last black month album a lot to do with depression stuff like that and a lot of people come up to me talking about that and it's like here's just it was really nice I asked. 6. 6. 66. 6. 00 s. Been hard for you as somebody who lives pretty invested and putting up a separation between your art and the voice of your art and your personal self to make a more. Fair magically correct record I mean like you know on black marks or parental albums not only are you performing as a pseudonym on the record and not only are you know. Many of the beautiful things are done warped and twisted in some way and not only you know you're also seeing through through having processing so your voice is more an instrument that it is a direct reflection of yourself you know I mean like you have gone through a lot of steps to be one step to this you to have yourself be one step to the side of your art. And it must have been tough to make something that was more about you yeah I mean but also like as serious as that one was and even though some of the other ones were so serious that kind of also helped me realize that like that stuff it's always been about me I just didn't even know it at the time it didn't click because like I had no interest in making a new Like mouth record I was I was done a covers you see it was 2012 and whatever was going on my head kind of forced me to make blooms and I knew it was a direct result of the way I was feeling and I don't know I guess I mean you look at everything differently and this is all kind of new like realizing that all along it's just been me like that's all kind of new but yeah what were the feelings that you were having that led directly to that music I mean it's nothing different from like most people deal with you know beating myself up pretty hard and because of it I wasn't sleeping and it's kind of making me like teary you know the less you sleep the more self you are and I just got into this really weird just kind of never ending like fog you could feel it and it took me a little while to get out of it won't get into like why I mean but yeah I think that having your brain kind. Change like that. A little bit because it does in this change your brain a little bit. Changes perspective sometimes. It's balls I'm Jesse thorn I'm talking with the musician Tom fact he records as tobacco He's also the front man and primary recording artist behind black moths super rainbow so a lot of times depression and can take away one's will to get out and make stuff happen in the world you know and it's a very broad category but like I'm basically talking about leaving the house you know and that is also. That is also kind of a condition of being a musician who works alone and loves to tinker with sounds like that also isn't a lifestyle that requires a lot of pushing the house you know I mean right so do you find it hard when your get up and go is that low Abdu find it hard that your you know that your lifestyle doesn't require you to go to the office every day or whatever it is that might break things up a little. I've been there not anymore through all that I can learn to take care of myself so that doesn't happen anymore I've definitely had a few periods where I just like not I can't even I have no interest in turning the equipment on trying to write something but I keep myself busy I don't really like I'm going to shows or anything but like I don't know we do enough stuff more kind of stuff do you like to do I like to store I've always been like really big on fitness ever since I was in high school so that's like man that's like 20 years now of this stuff so a lot of it's. Like studying that stuff and doing that stuff I think because like right now I'm like working on trying to get certification like Ace certified to become a personal trainer Not that I would ever use it because I can imagine like actually training someone. Would just be fun to have that you know to flash that you know I don't know if you get a card but I love it was last in the card. I'm Jesse thorn it's a bull's eye my guest is Tom fak He's the producer composer and musician behind black mark super rainbow and tobacco did you always have the instinct when you make something pretty to make it change it so it's more a glee that comes with that came with age and starting your board but I the simplicity of certain sounds and melodies and I just think I think when you're so when you're up front you can be so boring and I try to get I try to get better and better. Not hiding it but finding all the nooks and crannies that are in there yeah I read something where you were talking about wanting to make music that the person listening to it has the experience of still. Processing and working on it in their heads after the song has ended or the the record has ended and that made sense to me I was like I kind of understood that idea that you want to you want to give people something that grows inside them afterwards rather than disappearing Yeah I mean like. When you put it all out there even like lyrically like if you just put it all out there and everything is straightforward and everything makes sense and everything's finished and everything's done that's all there is to it and for some people that's fine that'll stick to resonate now as a kid I like not knowing what people are saying because your mind fills in the blanks and it's kind of how I write my lyrics is like it's almost like stream of consciousness where you like you may you might not be saying anything but it means so much and you don't know why but I think that all kind of ties into the not being finished you know are you interested in your music having a scary or discomforting quality like I think of all the music that I've listened to regularly in my life yours is probably the prettiest that I also find a little disconcerting. I don't want to be scary because I think like people who try to be scary are usually pretty corny and I don't want to be comfortable all the time because it's so boring as to shake you up somehow not all the time not trying to be like you like shocking right thing but you know I mean that's life too right it's like. You can upset. Thank you so much for coming on the show I'm so happy to do it you know we've made an occasional request to have you on the show for since I was making it by myself in my apartment probably 11 years ago or something. So I'm really grateful we could finally make it happen I really love your music thank you thank you I was like I was kind of surprised when I saw the list of people you guys interview is like why would they ever. I mean the answer is because you've been on the list for you've been on the list for 10 years thank you very much for doing it I really appreciate it thank you tobacco the black market super rainbow records are wonderful tobaccos solo records are also really good we didn't get to talk about this during the interview but he's got a new record with the rapper a stop rock it's called Malibu can Here's a track off that this is corn base. But there but as. You know. It's. That end of another episode of bull's eye balls are produced. World Headquarters overlooking MacArthur Park. Los Angeles California in the park this week a trio of dancers shot a video next to the lake I'm told it was an impressive display of athleticism that one of them had yellow sneakers and that the wildlife and other parts visitors regarded the indifferent show is produced by speaking into microphones our producer is Kevin Ferguson. Is our associate producer we got help from t.c. 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And have scheduled depositions with 5 State Department officials this week Windsor Johnston n.p.r. News Washington and Hong Kong. Police fired tear gas and water cannons and protesters in the seventy's 73 consecutive weekend of anti-government demonstrations and P.R.'s Julie McCarthy reports protesters smashed bricks and burned pro Chinese banners as they made their way toward government building this March against global totalitarianism is now being allowed to move up a main artery island of Malta chanting fight for freedom and liberate home for business or to slogans that deep belief irritate Beijing which marks the 70th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic of China on Tuesday Hong Kong is determined to market with the marches rallies and protests and P.R.'s Julie McCarthy in Hong Kong preliminary results are not due for 3 weeks and a final vote count is slated for November 7th but the turnout was not robust and Afghanistan's presidential elections this weekend amid the dual problems of corruption and Taliban threats Jennifer glass reports empty polling stations on Saturday and early ballot counts point to a record low voter turnout in the presidential poll with the candidates already suspicious of rivals and threatening record cousins if they believe there is fraud the election results could plunge Afghanistan into deeper political uncertainty instead of bringing in a government that can work to end the fighting Jennifer Glass reporting from Kabul c.b.s. This weekend says out of an abundance of caution it suspending sales of the popular over the counter Zantac heartburn treatment this after the f.d.a. Found traces of a known carcinogen in some of the products c.v.s. Has stopped selling its own generic of the drug this is n.p.r. News in Washington. Elon Musk has unveiled an aircraft called starship that he says will carry the 1st crew and cargo to Mars as N.P.R.'s Bobby Allen reports the entrepreneur and founder of the company Space x. Made the announcement last night from the space x. Launch facility near the southern tip of Texas Musk Space x. Company has for more than a decade been sending rockets to space and putting satellites in orbit but now Musk says he is nearing final tests of a stainless steel rocket called starship and he expects to send people to the solar system as soon as next year early flights of starship would not have any people on board it would just be in order magic mode it would only be later flights that would have you flown or something like that for you in the 1st place to Mars we would would spend at least a couple ships have them just land automatically before sending people Musk says space x. Has enough financing to do a loop around the moon but he says he'll need to raise much more money to get starship to bring people to deep space destinations including Mars Bobby Allen and support comes from blooms for Piro accounting tax and business advisors their goal is to ask the questions no one else asks and create solutions no one else can because achieving your success.