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This show is made possible by gin and beer to Faulkner of Seattle the bottling foundation. And the horizons foundation from n.p.r. And w.b. You are I'm Jeremy Hobson I'm Robyn young it's here and now more severe storms and tornadoes are likely from the Central Plains to the Midwest later today after tornadoes touched down in the Dayton Ohio metro area overnight causing tons of damage power outages there's been no deaths reported in the direct area but one man died northwest of Dayton Let's bring in Dave Maier now and Wally mayor Wally Uno you're standing at a strip mall can you tell us where you are and what you're seeing. Yeah I'm just actually just over the dateline in Harrison Township and there's a strip mall that has been completely destroyed so we've been going through and I think damage a lot of our business areas have been have and hit very hard and even you know streets that are completely devastated from from the tornado last night we heard this morning about having to have snowplows out actually plowing debris off the roads. And which is dangerous business with downed lines I would think. We have a lot of people in the county without power so we're with the police chief right now and heading to see other sites and see if there's anything we can do you know the roof of a high school in Brooksville ripped off magine in your as horrific as this is just the damage over magine and you're thinking maybe Thank goodness it was in the evening fewer people gathered Yeah yeah we are so I mean I think there were super grateful for that and that people really a paid attention to the warning so far we have no fatalities and as devastating as the tornado was pretty amazing we ask if you have people missing I feels as if it's impossible there could have been more serious injuries or fatalities we've we've had some minor injuries and people are assessing to make sure their family friends are Ok but as of now we have a cavity search you want to tell us more about you know what you're seeing we're hearing words like catastrophic unbelievable Can you give us more of a sense of damage. It's really like nothing I've ever seen you know we just left Kelly Avenue near choice tree and. And the entire street is just gone you know parts of the houses just split from the middle brick houses you know split in half so you know in my lifetime I've never seen this kind of devastation look what is it that you would like people to know in that area we know there are some hashtags there's some advice about you know don't call 911 I guess and. This is very serious Right right and you know listen to local media and. City of Dayton and Twitter I think that's the best way to stay in touch and you know check on those you have and you know we also ask people to check on those that are housebound or out early and then also we're asking people to conserve water because right now the biggest concern we have in the city is the water plants are without power which is a big problem for us so are you asking people to boil water yes we're under a boil advisory for about $400000.00 people and so you mentioned the at city of Dayton Twitter handle people should follow that and there's also a hash tag tornado you know you know people want to communicate that way I mean we're reading about the Action Sports Center with this is $30000.00 square foot indoor complex 2 full size soccer field inside totally ruined. Just gone so we went public. Yesterday people are cleaning up and working and I think most everybody in Dayton is just really great that their families are so well and do you have thoughts mayor Wally on and he says Everyone we are hearing from has said they've never seen anything like this in Dayton do you have thoughts on wait a 2nd I mean we all know that the climate change do you have such on whether this is something you might have to think more about this kind of a devastating weather. Yeah I mean I think it's train weather is an issue that continues more and more all across the country and you know churned out and the Midwest we don't have as much of it as you know the coast you for example with the writing ocean but yet we see it you know in Oklahoma here tornado every day and you know it makes us you know have to be more prepared for disasters. And by the way what do you need from the state the federal government would help do you need other states and the federal government have been helpful the way out has reached out as well as the governor. Task Force one is already on the ground you know we are we have these types you know them the way that 1st responders do so well to always be prepared comes in very handy. Man Wally mayor of Dayton Ohio you've got a busy day thank you so much for speaking with us thank you have a good one you too well the field of Democrats aiming to replace President tried next year is apparently set there are now $23.00 and there's already a question of whether they should appear on Fox News and more broadly how much they're doing to reach out to Republicans a Washington Post opinion writer Paul Waldman says that's a standard that Republicans aren't held to Paul Wildman welcome to here and now thank you one explain why you think it's a double standard Well if you look at the way we talk about how Democrats and Republicans are supposed to assemble an electoral majority Democrats are always being asked if they are properly reaching out to voters who are not inclined to vote for them doing it in the right way and there's a kind of an implication there that not only is this what they have to do to win but it's also almost a moral obligation that somehow we don't talk about that when it comes to Republicans to just take one example right now Democrats are all talking about whether or not their presidential candidates should appear on Fox News with the assumption that you have to do that if you want to talk to conservatives which I don't think is really valid there lots of different way. One could talk to conservatives but anyway you don't hear that in elections about whether Republicans should be going on m s n b c which is not as far to the left as Fox is to the right it's something that we don't even bother asking with Republicans because they're not worried about doing it and I think that that probably is a big part of this that since Democrats agonize about it all the time we in the media end up asking the question a lot where as Republicans don't even bother so nobody even considers that they might want to reach out more to places where Democrats gather Well do you think that that's a Trump thing or that's a Republican thing that's been going on longer than President Trump Oh I think it definitely pre-dates him after every election Democrats ask themselves you know do we need to do more to connect with the voters who don't like us whether it's you know working class white men or whoever it is you don't see Republicans very often talking about how can we do more to reach say African-American women but Trump kind of took what Republicans were already doing and elevate it so he is really focused relentlessly on appealing to his base and doesn't even bother making a pretense that he wants to appeal to everyone else I think one of the most symbolic examples to me is right after he won the election in 2016 he went on a what he called a victory tour where he just visited the States that he won and ignored states that he didn't win you know if Barack Obama had done that there would have been an outcry but numbers even noticed when Trump did it because it's just kind of par for the course for him well and I noticed that as president the Washington Post just came out with a story the other day talking about where he's been as president he still has not been to a lot of pretty big states in this country in terms of population Massachusetts Washington State Oregon Colorado hasn't visited as president according to The Washington Post. Yeah he believes that he won in 2016 by focusing on his base and I think it's pretty clear that he sees that that's his path to winning reelection that if he can just relentlessly focus on the people who are the most committed to him that's the way for him to win and he doesn't have to reach out across the middle and there's something else going on too on on a policy level that I think you see this contrast so Republicans what do they do when thinking about the voters who don't vote for them well they've undertaken a comprehensive campaign of voter suppression they say if African-Americans are going to vote for us we're going to try to persuade them to vote for us we're going to try to keep them from the polls Democrats do something very different in policy I think for instance when a Democrat releases an environmental plan what you always see is an effort to say Ok we know that coal is disappearing so we're going to try to help these communities that have been devastated by the decline of coal we're going to try to give them job training and economic development and we're going to try to beef up the safety net to make sure they have health care child care and things like that Democrats know that when they do this they're still not going to win West Virginia or Kentucky but they do it anyway yet they get they're always critiqued for not reaching out properly even though they're the only ones who are actually doing all this reaching out why do you think they do it that because there are a lot of people on the left who would say you know Why should Democrats be spending time focusing on these places they should go all in with the base of the Democratic Party why I think there's 2 reasons why they do that in policy terms versus just that they just think that it's the right thing to do you know when Democrats passed the Affordable Care Act they wanted to expand Medicaid for everyone not just in states where there are a lot of Democrats so that's one reason and I think the other reason is that they're very cognizant of the fact that they're going to get pilloried in the media if they don't make this kind of attempt and so they see incidents like you know we all remember that time when Hillary Clinton was campaigning and she said we're going to put a lot of coal company. Is out of business well what nobody remembers is that before and after that particular sentence that perhaps was not phrased in the way she would have preferred she was talking about how we have to help the people in whole communities because it's just inevitable that coal is going to disappear yet never the less you know that part gets taken out of the soundbite and so I think Democrats look to experiences like that and know that they're always going to get criticized if they're not doing the proper reaching out you know often it it ends up manifesting itself in ways that are almost ridiculous you know that Democrats go to Republican areas and try to you know kind of pay tribute to cultural totems they go hunting they go to Nascar events nobody even bothers to ask if Republicans are going to try to find the things that liberals like and go to show that they like those things too it's just not something that Republicans bother doing well I remember the context of the Hillary Clinton quote because we did a story about it on this show. I remember that very well Paul Waldman opinion writer for The Washington Post thank you so much for joining us my pleasure and we welcome your thoughts on this and here and now. I might you know host up next time on that you know USA. An adoption in Alabama and what it reveals about the cracks in our legal system in the state of Alabama stable court does not come into which we are not paid to go to see if. That's next time on the USA. Sunday morning had sex. 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Funding for here and now comes from the listeners of w b u r Boston and New monitoring a personalized weight loss program that uses psychology and small goals to change habits with the goal of losing weight and keeping it off for good learn more at noon and o.o.m. Dot com. It's here and now I am walking. And I am listening to the hour. And I am. Nowhere you know I can't let it go and I can't get through. I need to Franco began singing and playing in local bars in Buffalo New York with her guitar teacher when she was 9 by 15 she was an emancipated minor then became an emancipated artist founding her own independent record company Righteous Babe records by the ninety's her righteous anger and clear eyed feminism attracted a fierce following of devoted fans who sang along to songs like both hands and 32 flavors that. Sometimes the fan embrace was too tight some punished her for perceived missteps in the reminder that parts of this conversation may not be for everyone after Ani sang openly about women she loved she married as she put it a person with a penis Please join me in welcoming on a different go and Robin Young. Obviously not all fans feel her book tour is sold out the coolest Corner Theatre in Brookline Massachusetts was packed as we said down with on a different go to talk about her new coming of age memoir no walls and the recurring dream the no walls is the home she grew up in all open spaces open mines on e. The wildly inventive daughter of a Canadian mom and Italian immigrant dad but things soon cruet dark we start there the mother who's a fierce feminist starts realizing that at least then that meant she had to work and clean the house she starts to lose herself father loses a job brother loses his mind there are 2 suicide attempts. Your father and your brother. How did form. Well I. Let me. At that time I felt determined to be happy to love my life but before that you were making the meals at times your mother left I'm wondering if that also fuels your anger that that sense of wait a minute you know what was no walls and fun became no walls and not safe Well yeah I think that this anger that I was so known for or reduced to or thought of as being this angry chick. I really think that it was my mother's anger moving through me and anger is not as precise as feminist outrage but then her energy also was so vibrant she gave me a lot of the tools that I used and sounds like your dad helped with the tools as well Copeland and John Fay he both on the turntable and I know you don't like to be asked about what your musical influences were because there are so many but just talk about I mean Ok What were your musical influences. Robert I've never been asked that before and this is amazing. Yeah well so my father loved music and because he was an immigrant he reveals American artists you know it's my subconscious I was playing Jazz Fest the other day and somebody said you're so quintessentially American and I was like yeah that's what I made of. Well that's so interesting because I can hear someone else thinking really isn't she the one who shaved her head and she has this gender fluidity I'm not quite sure you know where she is became. What I was known for instantly late eighty's early ninety's you know a lot of people were still in the closet I got why they didn't want their whole lives to be reduced to one element because that is exactly what happened when I wrote songs for women and men and suddenly it's bisexual singer like. Ok I've written songs about a lot of things they don't say anticapitalist singer or. So and that's to this day it's a part of who else you seem to be which is don't label me part of why you started the record company is that you want to be outside the music industry and you didn't want to be about making money you wanted to be about your art but then the fact that you were making money was embraced by everybody as why you were outside the system yeah why I was special oh oh oh there's another story that just was bigger than me the writers in the media they would literally ask me every day so what do you think it is about you that makes you so successful like I don't know dude. I don't know. If you want to bust out of that frame you need you need strength you need conviction Well you sure do especially let's go back to your sexual fluidity braced by queer women everywhere then this embrace became like a stranglehold Yeah well you know I feel that if you are not seeing yourself reflected in your culture and affirm you it's it's a human need so I could feel that on a daily basis and this role that I was playing something that I. I was providing which is yes you're not alone so for somebody who is finding themselves affirmed for the 1st time ever there is a claiming that comes with that I mean in an ownership Yeah pretty quickly I realized wow I can't satisfy that person's need for me to be exactly what they need that person and you know because it changes you right in the book about going to visit the women festival in Michigan the beginning of your own ease your friend had to take off her teacher because there was a picture of a male band on it yeah several of my feminist friends said you have to take that action out. I just booked you know I'm telling you take it out. So forgive me you know forgive me if I I went looking for feminist Nirvana and I found myself miserable and I was devastated and I realized right the antidote to patriarchy is not matriarchy that's another rabbit hole. The answer is resonant balance but I think you went to a queer own words. There you came out on stage in the dress what happened so. Yeah I seem to feel that a lot of people who are in a very tight spot want somebody else in there whether. It will could be very punishing my relationship with my listeners you know it's a long term relationship and we've been through a lot together and the whole picture is I have been. Affirmed and uplifted much more than constricted that one thing that I was searching for through music was family because my family sucked you know. I went out in the world and I looked for my. And I found them and of course family hurts and then you married someone with a penis. Ease that little Castle's is that that paragraph a little castle have got it here people talk about my image like I come into dimensions like lipstick as a sign of my declining my well that was that thai. People. Coming to. My class. And yeah I felt very claustrophobic How was it like to sing it oh she is I mean. I guess hard racy and screamy and yeah yeah man do. You want to write well I mean a lot of it is just the chemistry of youth and I do find it harder as I get older I've had experiences more recently in life that have made me feel fear and self out what experiences. One. In 2015 and he was asked to host a song writing workshop which turned out to be in a former manor house of a slave plantation the backlash from some fans was scathing. I'm still trying to incorporate that you know. I would see one of my tribe members you know somebody who looked like a feminist I was so afraid. And it was. Seismic these tears I'm so sorry Has writing this what has this well yeah you know I would say. That writing this book has made me more grateful you know you sort of jot down your memories and I think a lot of those had a negative and when I sat down for 2 years and I really thought about it I realized that it's not the whole story and it's not written yet. To Franco. She also talked about mentoring and Mitchell town the record before it was a Broadway show many of her fans after seeing her music saved their lives asked about her thoughts on parenting her now 2 children later today will post the entire conversation right now we have tons of videos and an excerpt from her memoir no walls and the recurring dream at here now dot org Get ready to sing and your hairbrush. Learn how a skilled manufacturing career in Connecticut's high tech industry came to a bright future watchmaking the future. And Spirit also Facebook Twitter and Instagram. Slash the future part of American Graduate getting to work made possible by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting with the support of the c.b.i. a Trunk the Metro heart for the. Company all take a look Tronics and Pratt and Whitney. My sister and I wanted it more than anything in the way. 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Kara Swisher is editor at large at report and joins us I care they hate it when doing well so you called Facebook's response to this incident ridiculous and said the company's abrogating its responsibility is the key distributor of news on the planet explain why you say that yes I said that well you know I just think their response was so inadequate to what's going on here is this is video that if it's a parody that's a different story but it didn't seem to be a parody to start with and other social media sites like You Tube took it down because it was clearly a false map mashup designed to hurt Nancy Pelosi in a way that was just ridiculous and so you know I don't necessarily think they had to take it down but the way they labeled it and how they handled it just seemed to be they they wanted to have the best of both worlds not to label it properly or not to take it down and so that's why I thought their response was I think that how do they get this right though because they is there a policy about what they decide to take down they do take things down that pose a threat to your safety It's all have hazard that was my point but they don't it's so haphazard the way they did it in this case they labeled the video that it was a hoax but the label didn't say hoax it just said fact checked which you had to click in on it and then they said there's been additional reporting on this and I don't know what that means it's just it's just super confusing and I think it's designed to be confusing I think I can't think of any other reason you'd be that a big. To say about the problems with this video and not at least explain it to people I want to focus on another line in what you wrote which is that Facebook is a key distributor of news on the planet we don't really think of it that way but I guess you're right it really has become such and they don't operate like a media organization does know statistically they are I mean statistically there are a 100 percent like they like and half of the people in United States get their news from Facebook and in the in the Philippines and other places it's much higher it's like very close to 100 percent and so they are partially a media organization in the old sense in that they distribute media but they don't take any responsibility for that job and so that they they like to think of themselves as a benign platform but they make all kinds of decisions they're not they sort of like to think of themselves as like a cellphone network but if they're not the question is how much control do they have over these things and what they tend to do is hide behind this idea of censorship and 1st Amendment when in fact they're not the public square so they can make decisions they just don't want to make decisions that's the issue I care it's interesting that we're spending a segment talking about Facebook's response and scrutinizing Facebook's response to this and not the fact that President Trump actually tweeted out a video of Phil's your Nancy Pelosi speaking like this you know that's another issue is should you should this be on Twitter at all should you twitter be able to do it but you know it really does point the fact that these do not have control themselves and you know again of course President 100 on that and so he's just being a as usual on Twitter which is his when he does it quite successfully He's different to me than the company which really should at least label it properly if they're going to keep it up just the glitter that is like the lowest bar you can ask for the for this company to do this Kara Swisher editor at large Rico Kara thanks as always thanks so much you're listening to here in the. 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You are presenting endless thread the podcast that brings stories discovered on Reddit to listeners ear buds each week tales that range from the elementary school yard to science labs on sprawl on endless thread available on Apple podcasts it's here and now in the legal fight over abortion the narrative has changed as anti-abortion activist Gene meant Seanie wrote in an op ed in USA Today her side was often criticized for defending the unborn on religious grounds now she says science reinforces the notion that the unborn from the moment of conception are persons the Atlantic quotes young anti-abortion activists who say new technology makes it harder for them to think of the embryo or fetus as an viable and the article concludes that scientific progress is really making the debate about abortion with activists on both sides seeing science as their weapon in a battle over rights let's take a look because according to our next guest the science isn't completely clear Scott Gilbert is a developmental biologist and professor emeritus at Swarthmore College Dr Gilbert welcome. Thank you very much so take us through this we hear life begins at conception when the sperm fertilizes the egg or going back to biology class this creates the zygote and some people think that that actually deserves personhood Paul Ryan once back to Bill that would have called for personhood for the zygote you say What Well one thing I can say with absolute certainty with no hesitation is that there is no consensus among scientists as to when human life begins there are major places where different groups of scientists have claimed human Hood might begin one is at fertilization that's where some geneticists have said it was that's when we get our genome and this is the type of personhood that is advertised by 23 and Me You are what your genome says you are but as you know you're much more than your genome and it is not scientifically true that you become a unique individual there and many embryologists have pointed out that design starts dividing and when it divides it can become twins it peak can become triplets the individuality is not set at fertilization Well many of those fertilized eggs don't make it through the rest of the process that's exactly correct if you had 20 sperm meeting 20 eggs only about 14 will implant into the uterus and start a pregnancy of those 14 only 6 will become babies there's a wonderful statement by a bioethicist Michael Sandel So Michael Sandel said if the embryo lost that accompanies net. For procreation or the moral equivalent of infant deaths then pregnancy would have to be regarded as a public health crisis alleviating natural embryo loss he said would be a more urgent moral cause that abortion in vitro fertilization and stem cell research combined because so many embryos are naturally lost exactly Well there's another group that believes that and this is scientists that life begins around when a successful embryo successfully implant in the uterus this is around 12 to 14 days in another group things life starts around week 24 to 28 this is when brain waves can be detected tell us more about that thinking sure the day 14 rule is a kind of unofficial rule in human embryology research that says they 14 is really the last day that you can form twins day 14 is when the body parts start being told what they are to become all these cells are now being told you're going to be a gut cell you're going to be a brain cell So that's the kind of rule that you become an individual about 2 weeks after fertilization now the acquisition of the Igi pattern of brainwaves is another very interesting place where a group of scientists have said this is when human Hood begins this is when personhood rather begins and this is because the e.j. Dionne electroencephalogram is considered the prerequisite of consciousness now we're willing to say in the United States that when you see flat lining when the brain waves disappear that's death so it would be symmetric to say that conscious life begins when you acquire. That e.g. Pattern and that begins around We've 26 to 28 weeks so we have a situation here where some people say it's at fertilization some people say it's at gastrulation when twinning ends some people say it's when you acquire the Igi pattern at about 26 weeks and other people will say it's a birth when you take your 1st breath and the heart changes talk about that because this is a group of scientists that think life starts when you take that 1st breath because that's when the heart fully forms they believe it doesn't fully form until then we which is the most of all of the of these that you've laid out which is the most widely held because we don't hear a lot many scientists are reluctant to even speak about this because it gets so weaponized it gets weaponized by each side and a lot of scientists will just say it's the wrong question that there is no one time when you could say for all embryos that before that it's not a person after that it is a person so there's this notion of a gradual acquisition and the notion that many people want to pinpoint a stage. At which personhood begins probably is hold over from the belief that you know a soul descends upon formally soulless living stuff transforming that into a person now we want an insolvent period and science said we we can't tell you that that's not what we deal with and so a lot of scientists from a quiet I think because scientists often feel this is not a scientific question it feels like one time it was so much easier because it was thought the quickening was thought to be the time when a mother felt a baby kick this is around 20 weeks and that's when it was. Leaved to that that unborn received a soul right animation means you know both movement but also a soul and animists a mover. But now expectant mothers can hear a heartbeat or at least some cardiac activity we know that a an embryo does not have a heart but at 6 weeks you can detect some cardiac activity they can watch this embryo grow to a fetus on a sonogram it has certainly changed the way people perceive pregnancies as we said anti-abortion activists are seizing on a lot of what this science is showing us as proof that there is life scientists as you say are not entirely as a group sure but nor is do many scientists consider it a scientific question and but certainly you know to answer the question you brought up originally is science supporting the anti choice zygote writes people in science supporting them no there's no data that supports such claims the data is just as quick will just as able to be used by anybody as it was before there is nothing new so far as I know this is a big conversation in your field no. I don't think it is it's certainly not something that comes up at meetings or in symposia are think that the people who are thinking most about when human life begins are the people who are involved in early pluripotent stem cell research but in embryology per se it's not something that comes up in our research agendas very often do you think that should change given the debate over a. I think that. I think there is a just. I think that scientists should become aware of the different possibilities if they are not already and be willing to talk about them both in public and to their students and this doesn't even get brought up in classes and I think that's a mistake I think you know it's kind of an immoral act not to teach scientists about the ethical questions in their discipline the education of scientists definitely should include questions like When does showmen personhood begin and what are the possibilities now given our better technology Professor Scott Gilbert a developmental biologist and professor emeritus at Swarthmore College and the University of Helsinki Dr Gilbert Scott thank you thank you very much I'm very glad to have been able to speak and your thoughts are welcome. As border agents face a continued surge of legal and illegal immigration there's also been a crackdown on volunteers who offer. It is life or death here a decision give somebody food or water. 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This is here and now European Union leaders are in Brussels today assessing the results of the European parliamentary elections the Greens and liberals on the left a nationalist on the right got a boost in the elections at the expense of the big centrist blocs that have traditionally held the majority in Greece voters punished the ruling sarees a party forcing prime minister Alexis Tsipras to call for early elections next month Joining us now is John Psaropoulos who writes the new Athenian blog he's with us from Athens John this is being described as a devastating loss for series or was it a surprise I think many people were not surprised but they were surprised by the margin of victory of a new democracy so especially in the last few weeks the pro-democracy media had been downplaying its chances of a convincing win or also you know they weren't actually denying that new democracy would win and that might have been partly because they wanted to dampen expectations and make sure that voters were motivated to go to the polls but it may also have been that they were genuinely concerned that see these go through its last minute concessions and handouts and tax cuts was going to actually call back some of its most votes has that clearly didn't happen and just describe for people who are not familiar with great politics these 2 parties server how far to the left is sarees and how far to the right is new democracy when you Democracies a traditional center right policy it's part of the European bloc of European popular policies C.D.'s This started out in life as a. Sort of breakaway Communist Party Greece also has a Communist Party which is Stalinist and this is where some of its adherents tore away when communism collapsed and 990 because they wanted something more progressive and more realistic and less Mosco oriented they did not sell to Middle East succeed but they created a post. That survived until Alexis Tsipras took it over when it was claiming about 4 percent of the vote it was very near the brink of extinction he took it up to 1626 and then 36 percent of the popular vote the margin with which he won power in January of 2015 in the space of about 7 years which was remarkable and attributable to the tremendous crisis that Greece went through the worst recession of any post-war developed economy so what does it tell you now that the Greeks have obviously punished this left wing party after all the austerity and all the many years of trouble to deal with the bailouts etc What does it tell you that now Greek voters seem to have changed their tune I think it's a maturing process. Many people feel that Greeks had to go through this stage if you like and politics. Of believing that there was an alternative to austerity and having that belief dashed but don't forget that every political party tried to make political gains out of a national crisis when the socialists were in power in 2010 it was the conservatives who told them they were doing terrible things to the economy by cutting government spending the Conservatives came to parent 2012 and then they had series telling them that they were doing terrible things that were neo liberal when the Conservatives lost power to cities it was cities as turn to succumb to the austerity policies because the fact was that when Greece was spending 15 and a half percent of its g.d.p. In deficit that was excessive they couldn't afford to borrow that level of money every year to increase its its total aggregate debt that deficit had to be eliminated it took about 5 years for the budget to be balanced it happened in 26. More like 6 years but it cost popularity to the socialists who were wiped out as a policy they came to power with 44 percent of the vote now the best they can do is 6 or 7 percent and it did tremendous lasting damage to the conservative New Democracy as well it's now taken its toll on the city so is the crisis still ongoing in Greece would you say economically in a sense yes because although on the outside the country looks as though it's stabilized it is repaying its creditors he's back on money markets it's borrowing from international markets it isn't in a shape that is sustainable for example a recent study found that 90 percent of income tax is being paid by one 5th of individuals and 80 percent of corporate tax is being paid by 4 and a half percent of businesses the economy is underperforming the growth rate of 1.9 percent we had last year and look set to repeat this year isn't enough to revive prosperity and tax revenues after the loss of 26 percent of g.d.p. Over 8 years so it is internally weak it isn't sustainable and the new democracies Roets is I think thanks to the fact that it has proclaimed it will pay attention to the private sector and the productive economy that is journalist John Psaropoulos speaking with us from Athens John thank you thank you and here now is a production of n.p.r. W.b. You are in association with the b.b.c. World Service I'm Jeremy Hobson I'm Robin Young assumes here and now. Funding for here and now comes from w.b. You are Boston and your n.p.r. Station and from Staples with print and marketing solutions for business including color copies and presentations booklets and manuals signage and banners for its Staples stores or Staples dot com staples. A Texas woman stops on the side of the road to help a young migrant in distress I feel like I did the right thing I mean she can hardly walk she's very gay now that woman is under investigation for human smuggling part of a crackdown on u.s. 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