$90.00 p p k t m p k t h d one Norwich at $89.00. F.m. Stamford at 88.5 that you are l i Southampton 91.3 and w. Npr dot org The column was previously recorded. By now you probably know that Sarah Huckabee Sanders White House spokes person at a restaurant about 3 hours away from Washington d.c. The owner alternately decided to ask apparently very politely Sarah Huckabee Sanders to leave because so many of the Drug Administration's policies and the way that Sanders defends them were troubling not only to the restaurant owner but to her staff today on the show I want to just have a conversation about that no gas just phone calls I keep thinking that there's a way of him going these situations that's 10 percent better I'm not questioning the right stuff and he will consider not serve Sarah Huckabee Sanders I'm just wondering if there's one more thing we can get out of it I'll explain more after the news. Live from n.p.r. News and Washington I'm Jack Speer the nation's top border enforcement official acknowledged today authorities have abandoned for now the trumpet ministration 0 tolerance policy Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Kevin McLean and says the administration's policy remains in effect but cases can't be prosecuted because parents can't be separated from their children I clean and also says the current system is broken and needs to be fixed a much better system would be to keep families together through their immigration proceedings that's what the Obama administration did and 2014 that's what the president has asked Congress to help us do now Meanwhile the president tweeted today he wants to turn immigrants back at the border by then providing judicial proceedings House Republicans citing a scheduling conflict of cancel the meeting dealing with funding to handle refugees and immigrant children who arrive without parents at the border in a 54 decision the u.s. Supreme Court says the Texas legislature did not intentionally discriminate against blacks and Hispanics voters wanted to prove state congressional districts in 2013 from Dallas N.P.R.'s Wade Goodwyn has more the decision ends years of legal wrangling as the u.s. Supreme Court upheld 10 out of 11 congressional and Texas House districts a San Antonio panel of 3 federal judges had previously ruled the state legislature did and did so only draw maps to keep white Republican candidates in office despite the explosive growth of Hispanic voters but writing for the majority Justice Samuel Alito wrote the evidence was insufficient to prove the legislature had acted in bad faith the high court's ruling a lemonades the possibility that Texas might be placed back under federal oversight through the Voting Rights Act Wade Goodwyn n.p.r. News Dallas Democratic leaders are condemning a public call from California Congresswoman Maxine Waters for more public confort confrontation towards trying to administration officials waters comments coming as 3 trump administration officials. Recently denied service or forced out of rushed raunch N.P.R.'s Susan Davis Sizemore House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer denounced any calls for public harassment although neither called out Congresswoman Maxine Waters by name Pussy tweeted that any calls for uncivil behavior are unacceptable and Schumer addressed it on the Senate floor the best solution is to win elections that is a far more productive way to channel the legitimate frustrations with this president's policies than harassing members of his administration President Trump weighed in with another personal attack against Waters calling her an extraordinarily low i.q. Person and a warning of his own Be careful what you wish for Max Susan Davis n.p.r. News the Capitol possible trade tariffs worried Wall Street to start the new week the Dow dropped 328 points 224252 the Nasdaq was down 160 s. And p. Fell 37 points this is n.p.r. . Thousands were forced to flee their homes in northern California today as major wildfires encroach on an area already charred and recovering from severe fires in recent years latest fires caused concerns the state could be in for another series of destructive fires this summer made severe drought that's hitting some parts of the West in California officials say unusually hot weather high winds and flammable vegetation help fuel fires began over the weekend biggest fires north of San Francisco the Motion Picture Academy is announcing its class of invited members for 2018 the biggest yet in the Academy's ongoing effort to diversify Karen Grigsby Bates from our Code Switch team has more the Academy's new class is not only its largest at $928.00 but its most diverse new invitees include comedian Dave Chappelle actor producer Mindy Caleb actor writer command then Gianni and Tiffany had issue co-hosted the Academy Awards last year this year several branches of the academy including actors film editors and producers invited more women than men to join women account for 49 percent of the new members people of color 38 percent in the eighty's came from 59 different countries Karen Grigsby Bates n.p.r. News environmental groups a filed to more lawsuits over the issue of mineral rights challenging a move by the Interior Department to reinstate rights leases for a proposed copper nickel mine in northeastern Minnesota so involves some a lawsuit filed Friday by 9 businesses that rely on the Boundary Waters Canoe Area near the proposed twin metals mine Interior Department reinstated leases last month I'm Jack Speer n.p.r. News in Washington support for n.p.r. Comes from n.p.r. Stations other contributors include the size Sam's foundation since 1085 supporting advances in science education and the arts towards a better more just society more information is available at size Sam's Foundation dot org. All right I have to tell you this is my confession I really like doing this kind of show the show that we're about to do. I almost always enjoy it I mean I enjoy doing the wonderful shows that are produced by our incredible producers who are really good at rounding up terrific guests and I like doing the nose where we get together with you know people that we talk to regularly thrash out some cultural issues I love all those shows too but lately and on some Mondays I've started doing this thing where I don't really ask the producers for any help at all and I just spend the weekend kind of thinking about what I want to talk about with you as from callers and I almost always know immediately to I almost always know immediately what I want to talk about I always just want to talk about one thing and it you know I think it's probably at the risk of sounding grandiose it's probably how really good pastors feel you know that. For old pastor and into Butler My guess is like she knew right away what she wanted to talk about and just like the world just tells you and so going into the weekend I always say I always say to myself I'm going to throw myself wide open to the world and into the news into what's going on in this country and then I'm going to just ask myself what I need to talk about well it was so easy this weekend and what I want to talk about is the right hand so the red pen is and by the way our number is our number 860-275-7266 extension 38 chance to kind of set this up a little bit but I don't know I'm sure you don't want to call 886275 are 7266 so though the red hen is a little farm to table restaurant it's in Lexington Virginia it's about 3 o 3 hours drive away from Washington it's kind of west and southwest of Charlottesville it's tiny little farm to table restaurants it's 26 people. So the other night group of people party of it comes in the last to arrive was Sarah Sanders. Who is of course press secretary. To President Trump and so the owner Stephanie Wilkinson wasn't on the side at that moment but her staff although they begin serving this party. Are teasing old cheese boards and whatever they wanted to drink the staff was concerned and so they reached her by phone and she came in and kind of assessed the situation and talked to her stuff and even asked her stuff you know back of back of the house staff from the house to what you want to do about this kind of Overwhelmingly they want transparency and has to leave they don't want to have to give her the rest of the dinner. In the mind of the other 9 people one of whom the other 7 people one of whom was apparently her husband didn't mind if they stayed but just couldn't see doing that some of them are. Cute people and we're concerned about the stance which there are Sanders often has to bring out and defend to the press stance on transgender people in the military. Other people for understandably concerned of late but separation of children at the border and I think probably it's fair to say the stuff in John just not really into the overall pronouncements of the trumpet ministration. And I think we can also say I kind of got this there's a certain satisfaction a poetic satisfaction in turning away somebody from the trumpet ministration because the trumpet administration takes such relish turning people away it's a must be very tempting to give them a taste of their own medicine so anyway stuff a new Wilkinson owner of the Red Hen. You know parents polite as far as you know polite and diplomatic way took Sarah Sanders aside and said look you know I just I'm sorry but we can't serve you we'd like you to leave. The I don't know what this is meaningful to me I mean to be unmeaningful 10. She comped them the you know the cheese and the drinks or whatever they got so far their dinners were already like on the stove cooking because it taken Stephanie Wilkinson a little while to get there but she said look you know you have to pay but just go . In the core stuff and so then Sarah Sanders went and then pretty soon after tweeted about the experience of having been turned out of Iran of a restaurant because of her she was. So I think this is what I want to talk about and I want to talk about this kind of as a general phenomenon because there are different iterations of it different versions of it happening these days seems to be kind of a rash of this kind of thing and they think it's all completely understandable I really got it I get why you would want to do that if I were stuffing Wilkinson I would want to do that and if my staff said we want to do it I find it hard to say now. I do sort of look around and I think well look so I get it. But what did we get out of it so like come looking for improvement right now as I look around this country I look for improvement I look for things that could possibly get better so what do we get out of it well I mean certainly the sort of Sanders you know I mean this didn't do anything other than Harden her position about certain things I don't think she thought went home and thought wow I really better change my ways because I can get into the right hand. I think a lot of people who support President trumpets are standards also took This is an occasion to say see that's how they are we don't have to change anything because look at how they are you know it's sort of a usable thing for them. And then this kind of war broke out where people started trolling other people and as you may know there's a place in Old Saybrook called the red and they got tremendous amount of problems and threats and people praying them and ordering you know $100.00 take out you know those install kinds of problems are visited on them even though they had nothing to do with this they and several other restaurants around the country are called so called The Red Hand and all of them I thought was interesting the owner of the Red said that when people would call up to scream at her she would say look the 1st thing I have to tell you is this is not the restaurant they're looking for that's in Virginia this is good and it would have been that I didn't even know that restaurant existed we don't have anything to do with each other and the people without pausing would just keep screaming out of the way because as this woman said I think quite accurately they don't have planned what they were going to say. They already had this thing that they were completely ready to say about how horrible the right hand is for kicking out star Sanders and it was just wasn't a particularly meaningful piece of information to them that this wasn't the correct restaurant they just cut loose everywhere because that's what people are all right so so what I found found myself thinking is like I do I want things to change and I'm worried genuinely worried about this country like in 10 years where we're going to be like we're getting really good at screaming at each other who are really good at doing intensely dislike each other. I think we're you know reason our game quite a bit in that regard but I don't know for a reason I mean and I can't see how that goes anywhere good and I'd like something good to come out and I found myself fantasizing about other ways that the whole Lexington Virginia red hen thing could have gone you know I mean as I say I think Stephanie Wilkinson had every right to do what she did sounds like she handled it in a pretty judicious way but I think we got anything out of it I would have loved to if she could have said you know any number of things. Including you know what. A you. Are this is my restaurant you're here as gusts I want you to you know be here and have your meal and stuff like that but I want you to know also I'm really uncomfortable having you here on my staff really uncomfortable having here and maybe part of the price of this meal is going to be can I sit down for 15 minutes and tell you why that is you could just talk for a little bit. Something like that or you know have your meal here or now but. Let's begin to remember you'll come back you know with the sometime in the next month and as you and I could sit down and talk. Because this is what we don't know we're not doing this anymore. We're not talking so anyway let me just throw out the number now 860-275-7266 some of you are so mad at the Trump administration that you can't imagine trying to see I would I would leap at that opportunity you know if if if I were in a place in Star Sanders walked in and there were some opportunity like that and I feel like food and eating. It's the perfect occasion because in some ways when we talk about food and eating you know we use phrases like break bread we're going to break bread together you know and that's come to have this sort of subliminal meaning to you when you break bread together so that's that's good right if that's what you're going to break bread but you can to share things you get a pass go to break the bread and they are very passive to other people so we think of sitting down to a meal even if you're not 100 percent getting along. As an opportunity to converse and to maybe even get past some differences now that's a little bit romanticized and a little a little bit poetic sized I mean because really if you look at some of the work of and apologist like Clode Levi Strauss or Margaret visitors' book much depends on dinner the other way to think about this is that you know wiring we've developed a whole series of manners and customs and especially table manners in one of the reasons for that is that you know our earliest time as hominids. A meal time was probably one of the most dangerous times because I could break out over resources right so we were living on the grasslands of Africa. Wherever you know if you have 100 gatherers there's not maybe quite as much food as men there needs to be you can have pretty terrible fights about food and then if you think about even food now and this was market investors point you know our teeth are bared we're holding sharp objects in our hands knives. We do sticky things there's a way in which we're just barely controlling our urge to do harm to one another so that's but that makes the meals a great place in some ways to have these conversations and so I was just kind of wishing and wondering if there was some way to use a moment like this the next time it happens I'm not criticizing stuff I mean Wilkinson but the next time it happens like we could get something out of it and obviously there's been a rash of this stuff Kiersten Nielsen who is the Department of Homeland Security director was heckled out of a Mexican Yes I know it's weird that they're eating in Mexican restaurants out of a Mexican restaurant by people just yelling about destruction policies Steven Miller the architect of some of the most distasteful apologies. Policies also challenged. Restaurant where are they getting and I think that's right anyway. And you know I get it I get that too I mean a lot of people feel as though they're in a crisis right now right the whole country is in a crisis we have in the midst ministration that doesn't really resemble it we've ever seen before and seems prepared to trample on all aspects of comedy and Paul polity So you have to do something so I kind of get that you know and then there are these other situations where like Seth Rogen had a situation recently where these 2 young guys came up to him at some event that he was speaking out of it was a. Good charity about and they wanted a picture and he did it for them and their father came up their father turned out to be Paul Ryan and once again that's all he handled it terribly but he just you know I just I don't I'm not. I mean a picture of you because I hope you know that I don't agree with you I think you've done. And you know once again I totally get that I think if I were in stuff Seth Rogen shoes I would do the same thing but I think I hope I would also look for some way to build a little bridge of that moment say Look just put your sons they seem like very following young guys and so you and your wife did a good job with them and then do a good job as speaker of the house and if you got a couple of minutes I'd be I'd love to tell you about one thing that's really bothering me just so you know and you know we're not going to be in a picture together because I don't want to be in the picture with you but I I also know what there's to be a totally toxic moment that's what I'm really asking about right now is can these I know that I knew these moments can't be good like I know Sarah Sanders walks into your restaurant and you've got staff that are really troubled by this and you're very troubled by this it can't be a good moment to be 10 percent better you know can we look for a way to make some of these moments 10 percent better to get something because I feel like if we stay on the track we're on right now we're going to be in a terrible place and I know that some of you are also going to say yeah but there are terrible you know I know they're terrible but if nobody makes a move if if nobody extends an olive branch or even not even Iowa and all of twig and Olive just an olive not even to. Just that all appears and all of. If nobody does that if if if our side doesn't do it if our side becomes more and more like them and uses tactics and rhetoric that's more and more like the things that we purport to deplore and what happens Ok my phone number 860-275-7266 it's really our phone number and our means Kaplan is producing the show and Sandra Ellen is taking your calls nice to Xandros you call it she's a fairly new intern here and Wolf is on the board for this. Would you News's I can yeah so if you could offer drug locks which are. Kind of famous for having drug locks 17 years 17 years with dreadlocks I mean there. Were a teenager your dress could get a driver's license. And she looks now see now I don't know what I can say because they're like policies and the she looks adorable All right coming arrest me I don't care. Come on down human resources. To looks adorable All right so here we go I'm going to take in football season 62757266 I'm going to take the 1st ball right here this is rough on my saying your name correctly son Yeah Ok so I'm taking my call no problem. So I got you know you had I think you know they had it if we follow you know their lead all we do is give them every indication and so you know Michelle Obama said it that way she made the comment about when they go low we go high like we have to play that game otherwise we're just bad as they are that's how I'm feeling right now I think it's a big ask for people you know it is a big ask I get that it's a big ask but. And people there are so hurt and you know if you think about Stephanie Wilkinson she's probably thinking at that moment I'm never going to get another moment like this most people don't ever get to confront Sarah Sanders or anybody of that level in this administration are going to get the most out of it but I think what you and I are both thinking not about thoughts in your head is that getting the most out of it might be having a moment where Sarah Sanders or her equivalent washed away and goes wow that person was kind of better than I expected them to be. Yeah I agree I mean you can't you know you're not going to change ignorance with more ignorance as a black man that doesn't not get a right to say I don't think you should be able to eat my restaurant because I just don't feel like your policy that I'm black last night or. You know they 1st they offended me and so we're opening a door to discredit their practices that ranges far that and the consequences are offended All right so thanks for your call and thanks for taking that tack although I don't mind if people see it I'm fact I kind of hoping that people will also bring up different ways of thinking about this they certainly did on Facebook I got a pretty good high fall from people on Facebook about this Ok here's Frank in Simsbury Frank just on up all right in 602757266862757266 I'm going to go to Francis in Stamford I also want to as I often do encourage women to call up because women sometimes are less likely to call talk shows I mean we just kind of know that so I want to talk to dude for a 40 minute I'm 49 minutes and I mean talking to some dude's but 860-275-7266 I'm not going to say that every woman who calls up is going to go to the top of the list but that actually might be true all right least for a while so we get some women involved here Ok here's Frances. People were hanging up what is this call a 6275726662757266 Ok so the only color I've got that's not that's available to me is Chris and he's going to agree with me all right well when more people can one more person could agree with me on the we're going to a break Hi Chris you're on the air. Thanks for taking the call so I do really like what you had to say about giving Sarah Sanders an opportunity to have that discussion with the restaurant owner. I guess the problem I have with it I think she did handle it very civilly essentially she wasn't rude she wasn't you know she took her aside she handled it very. Professional matter and that's more than what the Trump administration is doing to vast numbers of Americans here and people who are coming into the country they're not treating them with civility they're not treating them with any kind of open minded discussion so it's almost like you've got to give a little bit to get a little bit in my opinion she handled it right I think I and as a restaurant owner I you know I've I don't know I think if you don't want to serve somebody because you disagree with their character and their policies that's that's that's completely fair Oh I agree I agree I mean you know that he committed no Diggle wrong and he committed no moral wrong I mean as far as I'm concerned this was fine except that you know when the when it's all over what do we get you know we've got people matter at each other than ever before we've got people torturing other restaurants that aren't even this restaurant you know we had people hardening off their positions and the restaurant people you know they got to have a voice too and speak directly to Sarah standards which I think she probably does not hear very much and I just I feel like that was that was an opportunity and she did handle it really really well yeah I don't you say no I agree that there could be other ways to go about it but I'm not sure what they are given what we're getting from this administration right so I mean we go high they go high we go you know they go though we go high doesn't really didn't work we had some doubts I know I don't get to I'm one thing that I feel unlike you know there's ways to take it to them but I guess what I also feel is you know I mean and this is just sort of a mood that I've been in for the last 9 months or so you know just trying these positive steps these big steps that encourage dialogue with somebody anybody you know just going 10 percent a little bit better nicer more conciliatory more olive branch he you know if it were doesn't work 9 times but then works the 10th time to it's worth it to get one going. With Donald Trump as president and the environment being destroyed because of that tempers I don't know I hear what you're saying but they take it it's such an extreme at this point as far as their policies and his his behavior as an as a leader just his straight up the way he talks about and to people I don't know kind of to me it's one thing if you disagree with somebody and treat them really poorly that's not Ok but when they've set the tone so low and so so so brutal and his language in the way he treats the opposition you repurchased you reap what you sow in a way through and through I don't I don't disagree with you Chris I just want progress. No one more of this feel like we're building or making more of this somehow Here's Amy in Bloomfield then I'm going to grab a break Our number 862757266 I am me by what's on your mind. Well I was listening to you guys about going higher up and going well and I usually just talk to the radio but you said women call and some yelling yeah I'm a woman of color and I've worked in an industry that I'd rather not name but it is filled with a lot of white women I've been working for 11 years of work very hard I have my master's degree and it is never change the fact that those people have never seen me as equal because they'd rather work to help people of color rather than be a colleague of people of color my child has lighter hair lighter skin than I do but he doesn't have a c. Leslie as me and I'm worried to take him across the border without changing his last name legally I'd like to take him on a trip sometimes there because I used to travel when I was younger and I'm actually afraid to do that because of the crazy things that are happening in immigration right now and the fact that it's to the point where children are being separated from their families that might never see them again and Granted I'm an American citizen but I still have a little bit of fear inside of me I don't think going high is going to make that difference I think going high is the same thing that kept me myself stagnant as a person of color trying to be equal trying to speak while trying to get all the degrees sort of occasions pay off those student loans it's not bringing me anywhere and seeing these people suffer it's it's bringing me to the point where I'm like jumping out of my chair cheering yes when I see people say yelling Shame shame shame I don't think going high is going to change these people whatsoever I disagree with you all right no then that's great I'm glad you called in I do want to say just so we know what page we're on and stuff like that you may or may not know for the last 20 years I've been raising a person of color my only son he is 100 percent ethnically Mexican his birth parents were Mexican nationals He's been my son since you know I mean they were Mexican nationals national of their Mexican nationals these are my sons and 23 weeks old so I raised a child of color in the society I know a little bit of what you're talking about I guess my question is when we yell Shame then what happens. You know I mean we feel better I got comfortable that's what happens when people of privilege have been comfortable for way too long and it's time for us to make them feel uncomfortable but when they feel uncomfortable then what are they do I mean do they change their ways or do they double down what they're doing I'm betting on the bubble that they might flee they might resign and it's time for us to start using those empty chairs to fill it with people who are of color as well that's the thing we don't want them feeling comfortable in their positions because then they will leave because they're used to privilege used to being comfortable and we get to fill it with people who are able to understand people of color like myself like your son who might reflect who they are actually be here if I'm a person you know what I'm saying Listen Amy thanks for calling in and being the 1st woman to call in for disagreeing with me too I mean I want that. In our numbers 862757266862757266 you can call in here too I'm just yeah I don't know I want to have this conversation and I get what he's saying too and I could very easily be there I was probably there for most of my life and do you get old you change a bit have anyway we're going to take a break we'll come back. Did you know. Support for Connecticut Public Radio comes from wisdom house Rabbi Raimi Shapiro leads a cup of wisdom gathering from July 13th to 15th conversation can be transforming experience love inclusion and understanding visit wisdom house dot org. This week on This American Life for months aggression candidate New York State has talked frankly on the record with all the stuff going on behind the scenes as Democrats battle each other thinking moderates are doing the parted failure and vice versa. This week. I hope you can join us tonight at 9. The financial hurricane. Force. Eventually. Our capitalistic system. That's next time on the. Sunday mornings at 6 Good evening and thanks for joining us I'm Bruce barber and you're listening to an encore presentation of today's college McEnroe show. All right before we get back to the calls when we get a bunch of them let me just tell you one more thing and some I've been thinking about a lot lately so for I came here for 16 years I was kind of the house liberal and otherwise very conservative station. And so usually I don't for the beginning of my career there I did a show that preceded Rush Limbaugh arse and then for the last 10 years or so I did a show that followed Rush Limbaugh So a lot of times the audience that I inherited 3 o'clock in the afternoon for afternoon drive had been listening to Rush Limbaugh for a while they were. And for the most part the listenership of this radio station were pretty conservative people you know and that I had my own little group of people who like my views and so in that situation 1st of all I got to tell you and I mean it's a pretty horrible you know way to live in some ways they're like a lot of people who want to deal the bases want to be fired and certainly when things would get tense you know I think about the run up to the invasion of Iraq which I was really vocally opposed and I'm People literally you know 5060 people calling my boss every day saying not only that I should be fired but that I was a traitor and all this goes off so but you know what I did back was taunt people. And be a brat and make you get the more riled up you know I mean that's going to what they were paying me to do anyway but I mean it was my inclination in that situation part of his I was younger and partly because in that situation you kind of have your back against the wall and your teeth bared What are you going to do so but I look back on all that with I do not a whole lot of pride I mean it was really fun. And it was really horrible other times but I don't know it when I look back and like my whole career the taunting that I got so good at is not necessarily one of the things that I'm proud of but I know that there are people with whom I took it too far too you know as you look back and you could say they had to come and you can always say they had to come and that's what people are going to say you know some of the phone calls I'm about to take they had it coming or or civility is. Weren't but sometimes you have to give your best you just have to give or if you can't give your best give your better give your better to the other person even if they don't deserve it yet maybe the wish they deserved thought Ok here we go. Let's go to Sylvia in Hartford Hi Sylvia you're on the air Ok right I so appreciate your topic and I'm completely comfortable with. Mrs Wilkinson courteous behavior to state what she believes in compassion. Truth and cooperation and she does not. Kicked her out she politely asked her to leave you know the sort of the same things get somebody you know it's not you and I have or well you're still working but I have work for a living and we have to be polite I don't really want to hurt someone's feelings but you know there comes a time for all of us when we have to stand up for what we believe and I totally agree I know you do you know Julie really I still wish I still wish we'd get something out of it other than what we got out of it because if you look at the end as a sort of the beginning the show we got nothing out of it I mean yeah you know I'm sure she felt a little better doing that inner stuff probably was cheering her on from the kitchen I get all that I could be that person doing the cheering. But I wonder how are we going to knit this country back together or I feel like I'm 63 years old right now I don't want to hand off this country you know I don't want my generation to head off this country 101520 years from now and say Here we broke it even worse we screwed up so bad and then all together we broke this country even worse here it is California seceded by the way are not part of the country anymore. Here's your country I feel like we owe it to people to see if we can figure out some way to have some kind of conversation in this country that isn't just we're just we're so good at yell and scream at each other anyway here's Conny insulting to the economy on its own you're on the air I'm on the air I know I don't believe in yelling and screaming at people in public places I yell and scream at my radio. But the problem I have is it seems like everybody n.p.r. Of of all is normalizing this entire. It ministration. And I think that thing needs to be called to task I don't think they should shout them out of the restaurant and I'd be very happy with everyone standing up and walking over and saying something cool wife but telling them what you feel you know I think that's a pretty cool idea I'd be Ok with that 1st of all I don't think n.p.r. Is normalizing this administration I mean n.p.r. Is doing a really good job informing people about all the things that are going wrong in this administration it's a complicated thing because well it was a source we could have a conversation some other day but I kind of I'd be fine with somebody walking over to their senators table saying I just want you know you're hurting a lot of people. You know you're hurting this country enjoy your dinner. And then watch what everybody yeah they'll be fine with me. But I don't think that's you know I don't I think maybe if that were the cost of going out to dinner for Sarah standard I'd be Ok with that it's been I just you know. Well said it too many times I was going to call Sears a marina in Woodbury Hi Marina you're on the air I call on thinking my call. My parents on a business and I don't think I would refuse service I think I would let say Mike Pence come then and. Purchase something I would take that money and I would donate it to Planned Parenthood or something like that and I don't think I'd rather end it stays there publicize and anyway and that but it is someone like. You know that I might refuse servants like it if you're you know enforcing violence on your own people like that's where I would definitely stand up I suppose I said I mean I think the reason why I wouldn't go out of my way to make a scene about it is because every time people you know do that I think it just fuels right and everyone just kind of ground together and becomes more and more increasingly polarized I agree with everything that you just are and I also think it's going to fabulous that you brought it to territory because our brother saw this whole topic up last night on Facebook and people wrote in and I was sort of there's there's a part of me that sometimes when you see the people yes I know that this is a terrible administration I think it's a terrible administration so many things that it does turn my stomach and make me sick but it's not due to our day and it's not you know and it's not easy and it's not. It's not Putin I mean he try might wish he could be those people he certainly feels a lot more comfortable with tyrants than he does with democratically elected leaders but we're not at that point yet and probably you know acting as though I mean some of the language that people use you know the these people are terrorist and fascist and you know I mean they might want to. Do something so it's done but they're not quite there yet and yeah they're not these are they so yeah thanks for bringing that up yeah that said if I ran in the back seat of us in public I might yell just a few Shang and it's in her direction you know like across the street or something yeah yeah yeah yeah. Thanks very much for calling our number by give it out the lines are full what I'm going to do are going to go to Paul by the way thanks to the women who did call up it's like I know the have to say it or they don't call up but then they do here's Paul from West our high ball. Good to hear your voice Good to be summertime when I get to do it live and good to be part of the 21st century with pod cast where I get to do it other than live when I can't. I just wanted to do a couple of things one is to suggest that it might not be the case that the restauranteur had an absolute right to. A patron to leave or lawyers know the stuff better than I do but there's all sorts of causes of action that might be attached to that kind of thing depending in part upon law in Virginia and what kind of categories are covered by. Public Accommodations and all that even in the absence of that emotional distress that the travel time that people went to get to the restaurant all sorts of things could be actionable there so I don't think it's quite so obvious reference or have a right. I'm troubled by this because I think there's I think you mentioned earlier a couple of times it's giving. Our president supporters more ammunition like I think we lost this battle rhetorically I think it wasn't a good idea I think we wondered that rhetorically interesting when a similar thing happened but nobody was denied service when tense went. To see the performance of Hamilton and got something he didn't bargain for as part of a contract except that. More than coincidentally I guess when you go to see it or the contractors you're buying a communication encounter it may not be the one he wanted but that's what you're buying when you go to a restaurant it's quite different it seems to me and it's always the better analogy would be those restaurants that tend to be in the south where every table is a 12 top or 16 top and so the vast majority of the patients are sitting with strangers the answer is family style and encourage made to converse with each other it seems to me that's where we get to mix and match all sorts of different kinds of people including political affiliation right thanks for your call Paul I'm not a lawyer by the way I would say this is based on my primitive understanding the law Wilkinson I think is probably within our rights in other words most discrimination laws and I certainly have never read Virginia I mean you have to identify are protected classes essentially and an. Illegal bases for discrimination so discriminating against a particular person just saying that person no you can't it. Is you know that's. I would guess she's well on firm legal ground now as far as all the other stuff goes I'll say one thing about this. Because it's a point that I've been trying to make something like this happens you know what happens on both sides everybody feels good the people on what I will now call our side people who you know maybe secure a little bit left and don't lie down we feel good because ASIO Sanders you know she was forced to live with the consequences of her behavior right so they stuck it to her a little bit. And. On the other hand they feel good too that's the thing you forget the feel good just in Peter's that a great piece in The New York Times over the weekend about Trump supporters and and I mean without even knowing about this thing he kind of incorporated that idea they feel good any time they can look at something that's done on the other side go Oh that's right those people aren't very nice and so I don't have to listen to them and even though there are some things about the president from that really bother me you know are decided on balance I can live with them and this stuff that's going on over there over there on the left just further removes any doubts hesitations or qualms that I have are going digital couple or qualms today because look at them look at how they act so both sides feel really good. Which is nice I'm glad people feel good but both sides feel good and still a very adversarial way that's dismissive of each other and that's not good nation building anyway we'll take a break Molly you'll go 1st when we come back. Farm Aid 2018 is coming to the x. Finity theater and hard for it on September 22nd for a list of performers to enter to win tech it's an for contest rules go to w npr dot org contests your entries must be submitted by noon Friday as immigration dominates the headlines President Trump is getting ready for the midterms and his best weapon on the campaign trail could be vice president Mike Pence with your continued support. With all your great representation in Washington d.c. With President Donald Trump we will make America great again thank you the place president makes his mark tomorrow on Morning Edition. Join us from $5.00 to $9.00 support comes from 2 men and a truck. 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All right so she's doing a great job you're doing a good job calling in well no I'm not going to get out the number right now get too many calls here's a molly Hi Molly you're on the air Hi Callan thank you for taking my call I wanted to point out something that you I don't feel. Well anyway in the small picture I'm thinking about the gay people in the restaurant I had a situation years ago when a bunch of us were going to my entire family was going to gang up on my mother about something that she had John done that was clearly wrong and we all were all full of ourselves and we were going to say. This was wrong and then my brother gay eventually died of aids at the time said I'm mommy's favorite and this would jeopardize jeopardize my standing with her and when the rest of you all straight go out in public you know you can do things that I can't you know I can. I can have my partner kiss my partner without jeopardizing my safety you know in public and things like that he spoke on its own be helpful of the. And at the time and this was one thing's for a lot worse than they are now and he said. My position as my mistake I would like for you to let that go because it would jeopardize my position and I've always thought of seeing her favorite as kind of a tradeoff for the things that don't happen to me and the big world out there so I'm thinking about the Kerry people behind the scenes having their force and speaking and saying whatever they say and just in some small way they're poised and being able to say yeah we're never going to be. We're never going to feel that they're so down in the ways that we've screwed up by the world out there and that's where we can legitimately take our force and say you know let me just respond to that 1st of all. You could take the story that you just told the other lesson with right which is your father your brothers are in don't gang up and it seems when I was talking about Stephanie Wilkinson and this is something I should have said like when I think about the all turn all turn scenarios that could have played out yes she would have had to go back to the people in the kitchen and say look this could go a couple of different ways we could send her packing or this could be our one opportunity to talk to somebody like this and maybe make some of these things understood you know in maybe get her to see the kind of restaurant she's visiting right now it's a restaurant it's farms a table we care about the environment we care about pesticides we care about stewardship of the land we've got a diverse employee stock here we've got gay lesbian people working here we want her to know that if she's here to eat the articles Teazle cheese on the great food and to enjoy what we've created here here's who created it here's who we are so I understand that too and factor that into how you live so we could do that we could try to communicate all that to. Or we could send her packing and she would have had to have given them that choice and that would involve a lot of thinking on her feet in a pretty tense situation already but I don't think it's a terrible idea and I also don't think it's one that your brother would have immediately rejected Not that I knew your brother but I just sounds like maybe terms of who he is you who he was I wonder you might have been open to that argument he. I guess the thing is what I meant to say was the small picture you know and in the big world of politics I was away on vacation so I was unaware of any of this until this morning and so. I don't know I hear things and I think of him dying of Aids and I think how pleased I was that I did the small things that I was able to do when he was so I I think you gave him a really good gift that way and there are so many other ways that you I'm sure honor your His memory in the way that you love Thanks so much for calling so it's a people who've been holding for a while let me go to Durham dream I don't know how does their names are hi you're on here yeah I'm here today to see your name 1st of all oh oh Durham Durham Ok just making sure. Run of the play here so I was listening to the conversation on the car you want to turn on your radio otherwise you'd be sucked into a time warp Yes I trying to place my 1st time calling and some very excited Ok. So yeah I mean when I want to call that I really want to talk a little bit about you know how these types of events when they tend to happen events such as you know the Huckabee Sanders getting kicked out of a restaurant or Mike Pence at the football game or you know him with Hamilton I feel like Typically there's always a lot of things that are going on with the administration from a policy perspective that kind of get pushed aside when we start discussing these things that are happening to these individuals in their private lives you know I mean that restaurant so and I feel like it's their right you know to refuse them service you know especially if they did it in a way which you know didn't demoralize these people in like a really nasty way seems like she took every precaution to try to be polite you know so I have no problem with them doing that you know now from the perspective of trying to have a conversation with them telling them what they don't like I don't know necessarily me personally if I was in that situation I wouldn't I could care less if talks are about that because they have the views that they have you know and they're not going to change just because I myself or another restaurant or would have told them like hey these are the problems I have with your administration you know I want you guys to do better I don't necessarily think that that would you know change what they're currently doing or the way they're currently doing it right I you might be right or you are right about that but and the and say here's who we are you decided to come to this restaurant my restaurant my little farm to table restaurant So here's who it is here's who's here here's what we're worried about here's why there's some people here to eat here you know but I'd rather to I mean I if somebody would give me 15 minutes with Sarah Sanders I would take it in a heartbeat and I would have a 1000000 questions to ask her about herself and even like how she can do this and whether I don't know how I would say look it's just us girls here was going through it so in his job Ok. I won't tell anybody but just tell me what I don't know I just feel like you get an opportunity to have one of these conversations and I don't I'd rather have been kicked the person out but I mean it's not my restaurant it's hers and you're right I mean you know you're not probably not going to change any policies Durham Thanks for calling that a that's heard all right like I should like her age is just on the podium or you know I guess I don't know I want to find that out I want to know she's a same person to you on the podium that would be that would be worth letting her you know eat some chicken I cooked All right so Oh I'm sweating at the time I think great prove it again Scott Brooks wrong in misc opera All right so. Here's. Here's John in bar Campden Hi John you're on the air take on how you on the listen more guy oh yeah you do it oh my God Calling the wait staff should be fired because those are just a softball lob I mean it's some point you've got to rely on wit right I mean in the pope did a great job when when the president went to meet him you know I'd be bad form for the pope to slug the president right right so yes Malani remember what he said no I don't use it what are you feeding him protein. It was the most we thought was a waiter you know an artist that waited on to me in tables so that I would come up there and say we have a protein special are you interested right right then you go back to the kitchen and said you were going to whip up something that is. Take on petite and you just play it like a fiddle I mean that's a funny because really what's going on I don't personally see a lot of screaming and yelling what I see is repression people afraid to talk and that's where with I mean this is you're into that I get that. But but point made and actually I should say John I know who he is by the way happy birthday yesterday but. I think John kind of invented the thing that I'm talking about which is actually listening to the other side listening to people say what they have to say because you know one thing you get if you are surprised that you actually listen we don't have a lot of time left says yank you do this in about a minute I sure can thank you nice to talk with you call and I was at Wesley and at the time you were at Trinity but we move on. This asked to do with what I would do if I had been there I would have asked my staff please to go forward and complete the meal with all dignity and appropriateness and then when the bill came I would have put 2 scriptures on the bottom Matthew 538 through 40 Matthew 252-9241 the 1st one says How do you deal with an evil person you give them your cloak you go the 2nd Mile the 2nd Scripture says the reason you do that is because when you do something like that to the least of these meaning Sanders family you are considered the least in the kingdom as it were it is as though you were doing the good thing toward Christ so if they are truly biblical and thoughtful I think this being a lot louder than trying to engage in the conversations and by acting positively and serving them it demonstrates that I would be consistent with what message I'm sharing with them in those scriptures All right Suzanne you know if you just did you landed the plane you landed the plane the wheels touch down on the runway just perfectly Now the passengers are applauding as we taxi to a stop please remain in your seats till the news comes on all right don't get up get up we're not in our gate yet but Suzanne thanks for landing the plane Thanks to both the capital feet especially the whole ROIC Zandra Allen who's going to actually I told her to get me some lorazepam for this show I think maybe she needs it more than I do at this point but great work anyway we'll be back tomorrow. On the next fresh air the ongoing crisis with contaminated water and lead poisoning in Flint Michigan Terry Gross talks with pediatrician and public health advocate Mona Hannah a teacher about the research that led her to sound the alarm back in 2015 nearly 3 years later she still doesn't drink tap water there she's now the director of an initiative to deal with the crisis join us. Coming up tonight at 10. On the next on being the moral world in dark times or what would our rent say to us now Iran tossed another question which I think it's uniquely important which is how in modern times is evil organized I'm Krista Tippett Please join us. This. Hope you can join us tonight at 11. This.