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Plus, the democrats are going at each other, too. Innuendo and insinuation. Can Hillary Clinton have her own comeback kidstyle New Hampshire movement . Can Bernie Sanders turn a New Hampshire blowout into a National Movement . What leadership is about is not just swimming with the current. Hillary clinton and Bernie Sanders are with us this morning. And bern your enthusiasm. Was that Bernie Sanders on snl last night, or larry davis, or both . Pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good. Im chuck todd in manchester, New Hampshire. Joining me for insight and analysis this special sunday morning are msnbcs Chris Matthews, cs Andrea Mitchell, Hallie Jackson of nbc news, and radio talk show host hugh hewitt. Trump, sanders, clinton and the latest numbers. Welcome to sunday and a special ma from manchester, New Hampshire, this is a special edition of meet the press with chuck todd. Good sunday morning. Here we are right here in New Hampshire, the site of tuesdays primary. Were right here in nbc news fabulous new h pshire headquarters, two days before what may be among the most important days in american politics this year. And last nights Republican Debate as our the Washington Post colleague put it, marco rubio hit a wall named chris ischristie. This notion t ovhat barack obama doesnt know what hes doing is just not true there it is. There it i the memorized 25second speech. And it only got worse from there for rubio. Wel haveuch more on the debate later this morning. Joining us today are three candidates who are all counting on tuesday to help send them to the nomination and perhaps on to the white house. Republican donald trump, and the two candidates vying for the and Hillary Clinton. Before we get to tth interviews lets take a lk at the very rdlatest tracking polls out this morning. Cnn wmur has trump with a big lead still at 33 followed by rubio, cruz, kasich and bush in that order. Rugios momentum appears to have stopped. Thats before the debate is factored in this. For democrats this poll has sanders up big 58 over 35 though worth noting clinton has picked up seven points in the last few days. In this mornings umass 7 news tracking poll, they have trump with a big lead and order below him rubio, cruz, we bush and kasich. Democratic side they have this race a bit closer, sanders with a lead 5740 slightly up from yesterdays poll. One thing to remember about New Hampshire, its the graveyard of pollsters. Well have my interview this morning with donald trump in just a few minutes. But were going to begin with the democrats and former secretary of state Hillary Clinton. Pollsters, havent you . T ive lived through this twice in 92 and 2008. Looki know im behind. Im going to keep fighting until the very last vote is counted. Because i care about this primary. Why do you think you started with such a big deficit this time considering look, this has been a big state to both your husband and yourself. Very important. Yeah. They always help you. Well, look, i cant sit here and analyze all the reasons. Obviously, one is that the senator has been in public life next door for 25 years. So theres a familiarity with him. I totally respect that. And i just think whats great edabout this primary is New Hampshire voters take a first, second, third, fourth, fifth look. Yesterday as i was crisscrossing from one side of the state to the other talking to oters, i literally had people come up, say you alchanged my mind, who knows. This is whats so exciting about the primary, chuck. I came in in 2008 as i recall like 16 points behind. I remember the night before the sayi, you know, youre in single digits. Its over. Who knows. I love this excitement. And im going to fight as hard as i can. But im having a great time whatever happens. I want to go to the debate a little bit because i would say the Foreign Policy section is one that you guys wanted to highlight because you felt as if he didnt do so well. You brought up secretary state Madeleine Albright to talk about it. Some of the things you said about senator obamas readiness on Foreign Policy, theyre very similar to what youve said about Bernie Sanders. In 08 you said i have a lifetime of experience i will bring to the white house. I know senator mccain has a bring to the w te house. Senator obama has a speech he gave in 2002, it sounds very similar to what you said when youre like, okay, you had one vote on the iraq war whats the difference between what you said about thensenator about senator sanders . Theres a very big difference. Really done his homework in the se anate. Hed been there by that time a few years. He had developed a network of advisors on National Security and Foreign Policy issues. They were very diligent and focused on making sure he was ready, that he had as broad a seant of views as possible. D thar really went toetotoe with all the people supporting me. Thats not happening in this campaign. There really isnt any kind of Foreign Policy network that is supporting and advising senator sanders. Ill let him speak for himself. I think that whats important is this job requires you to be ready on all aspects of it on the first day. And we know we got a particularly complex world right now. And the president s not going to have the time. Maybe previous president s in past years could have a little re leeway because of, you know, the way the world functioned. But now its north korea with its missile tests, its russian aggression, its enforcing the iran agreement. Do you think the iraq vote should still matter to voters . Look, i think voters are account anything they want to ta the rest of the record. You know, i was involved in the biggest counterterrorism decision in the Obama Administration to determine whet laden. I did put the sanctions on iran to get them to the negotiating table. That the voters really have to Pay Attention to because it is choosing both a president and a commander in chief. Do you believe if it wasnt for the iraq war we wouldnt have isis today . Well, i think thats a hard conclusion to draw because remember we had al qaeda before we had isis. Al qaeda attacked us in new york. Qaeda attacked our embassies in africa the instability in iraq is what has created this and that if Saddam Hussein were still well, i think thats a lot of jumps in logic that to me doesnt really add up. Thuye iraq war, theres no doubt contributed to instability. Im not going to in any way deny that. But you cannot draw a direct line. What you can do is to say that Jihadist Terrorism starting with al qaeda. Right. And moving onto its latest incarnations, most particularly isis, is in response to a number of forces and factors that are roiling up the middle east. And certainly fighting for what islam means and how its going to be presented and what people are going to mean when they talk about it. So, yeah, weve got a much biggn er set mf problems. All right. Another thing i wanted to followup on the debate. Senator sanders called the entire Business Model of wall street a fraud. We didnt get a chance to ask you to respond directly to that critique. Id like to ask you to respond to it now. Well, i think its the kind of extreme statement that oce it, its hard to understand. You know, when you talk about wall street, are we talking about every bank . Or are we talking about a particular part of new york . Thats never really clarified. What i believe is that there are good actors and bad actors in every part of our economy. The job of the president is to weed out and prevent the bad actors from disrupting Economic Activity from amassing too much power and influence. But we live in a complex Global Economy where weve got to have a wogood Banking System that is able to service the american and needs to be more than just looking at the five banks that are the big banks. We have to have a much more Robust Community Banking System, regional Banking System, other forms of credit access. And thats what i am advocating for. And i still do not understand why im having this problem getting senator sanders to join me in going after what are the there, the shadow Banking Sector and the investment and hedge fund sector. Can you have a treasury secretary who isnt familiar and i say this because i think theres so much distrust right now. Yes. There is. There is. Six of the last treasuries either came from wall street or went to wall street after. I think there certainly right now isnt an appetite for somebody from wall street to be the next treasury secretary, and yet can you have a treasury secretary if they dont understand wall street . Well, you have to have a treasury secretary who understands the economy, the American Economy and the Global Economy. I think there are a lot more places where one can and should look for such a treasury. Do you think you can pick one without having them have a wall street background . You know, i want somefldy who can make a good commitment to work with me to get the economy moving, to get more good jobs created, to get incomes rising, to look out over the horizon at some of the economic problems that are out there. Weve got to figure out what were going to do with china. China is finally having to come lot of its growth may not have been as on a Firm Foundation as we would hope. So we need people in government who have that kind of commitment and understanding. But weve got to put the needs of the American Economy first. And ats going to be my commitment. Before i let you ao i want to ask you about a comment former secretary of state Madeleine Albright said, a comment ive heard her say before. But it sort of rang differently to a lot of people. She said, theres a special place i hell for women who dont help women. But the implication is that sofolimehow if youre a democratic woman and youre not supporting you, whats wrong with you. Do you want the vote to be decided on gender lines like that . Oh, look, as you remember, madeleine has been saying this for many, many years. Starbucks cups i think. I get that. She believes it firmly and in part because she knows ww t a stliggle it has been. And she understands the struggle is not over. So i dont want people to be expressing as her very you can understand why some might have been offended by it . Well, good grief, were getting offended about everything these days. Honest to goodness, i mean, people cant say anything without offending somebody. She has a Life Experience that i respect. I admire her greatly. And i think what she was trying to do, which shes done in every setting ive ever seen her in going back 20plus years, was to remind young women particularly that this struggl which many of us have been part of is not over. And do t be in any way lulled by the progress weve made. And i think it was a light hearted but very pointed remark, which people can take however they choose. All right. What do you got in the super bowl . I dont have anybody right now. You dont have anybody . Im going to flint, michigan, im worrying about the kids in flint, michigan, to make sure we can do what we can to make sure they are not damaged by this i love New Hampshire. The mayor asked me to come. This w tas as earliest as we could get it done. Im very hopeful to congress which is trying to work in a bipartisan way will come up with some funding to deal with these problems that has afflicted the f,community. And im going to keep doing everything i can help them. Secretary clinton, i know you have a plane to catch. Thanks. Great to talk to you. Last night, i spoke with senator Bernie Sanders from new york where he was preparing to appear on saturday night live. Here it is. Want to start with some reviews from the debate. First the debate on wall street. You got some good reviews. But on Foreign Policy, i want to put up some headlines here, sir. Not so good boston globe, sanders flunks on Foreign Policy, the Washington Post, Bernie Sanders trips up on Foreign Policy during debate. How do you respond to that . Well, you know, time after debates, the pundits keep thinking that Hillary Clinton wins the debates, but somehow the people do not. And we did very well in iowa. Hampshire. And i think were doing well nationally. Hillary clinton has a great deal of experience regarding Foreign Policy. She was our secretary of state for four years. Experience. But it is not just experience that matters. It is judgment. I think we have the judgment in terms of what we should do with isis right now, that we should learn the lesson of th firaq war, which i vigorously opposed, which means that we cannot, ch k, do it aloal. I will do everything that i can to make sure that our young men and women in the military do not get sucked into a perpetual warfare in the quagmire of the but the concern i think is not about your policy on isis. Let me play for you something secretary of state Madeleine Albright said on saturday. Take a listen. Ive been very concerned about his lack of knowledge. Most people know how many dictators nort korea has. I have spent an awful lot of time on the hill in a variety of ways. Ive gone up and down briefings and all kinds of things. Unless he looked totally different at the time, he has never been to any briefing let me stipulate, Madeleine Albright is a supporter of Hillary Clinton and she was brought up here by the Hillary Clinton campaign to talk about thauis. My concern is about the level of interest you have on Foreign Policy. C ck, chuck, it goes without saying, number one, i have been to briefing after briefing after briefing. You know, in fact, just a couple of weeks ago when i visited with the president , one of the things that we talked about was iran and Foreign Policy. Important part of what being the president is about. Now, i dont really know this, maybe the answer is different, tell me what Madeleine Albrights position was on the war in iraq . Right. I dont know. I dont know. I wouldnt be surprised if she supported it. You know, the issue here is not just experience. The issue is judgment. I voted against the first gulf war, which history will record. I led the opposition against the war in iraq, which history will also record as being the right thing. Clearly, clearly Foreign Policy is enormously important. And i will tell you this also, chuck, if you go back to 2008, this is exactly what the clinton people were doing to senator barack obama. They were attacking him he didnt have the experience, et cetera, et c i am absolutely confident that if elected president we will have a very strong Foreign Policy for the american people. I think to alleviate some of these concerns if you told how about i know you didnt tell me the other night when i asked you about who your Foreign Policy advisors are. Give me a few names of people you would end up considering as a secretary of state or secretary of defense. I think its a little bit premature to talk about who your secretary of defense is going to be. I will tell you that we havetet recently with people like larry cobb, actually worked in the reagan administration, talked to people like jim zagby, talked to the people on j street to get a Broad Perspective of the middle east. Ive been meeting with a whole lot of people. But let me reassure the american people, despite wa hearing from Madeleine Albright, that it goes without saying that a president must be well versed in Foreign Policy, must have a strong Foreign Policy position. And i will, of course, do that. Let me move onto Something Else you said from the debate. It was a tough charge. You said and you yourself said this was going to be a tough charge when you said it. The b iness model of wall street is fraud. Boy, that was a broad brush. And i was thinking about the fact that theres a lot of Union Pension funds that are invested in wall street, 30 in many of them when you look. I was looking up some of these things. A lot of 401 k s, a lot of retirements is based on investments in wall street. It seems to me, if you believe its afraid, would you not like to see money invested in something based on a fraud. Look, chuck, what i said i believed to be true. A few weeks ago, as you know, a Goldman Sachs reached a sett itlement with the uned States Government for 5 billion. Why . And the answ is obviously they were defrauding investors in terms of selling subprime mortgage packages that were worthless. Now, thats my definition of fraud. And other major banks also have received paid huge settlement fiernes to the federal government. And what really burns the amuerican people up is after paying 5 billion in a settlement agreement, none of these people, none of the executives on wall street get charged with anything. Kid gets caught with some marijuana, gets a Police Record. Fraudulent activity on wall street destroys the economy, no Police Record for any executive. So do i believe that the siness model of wall street is flawed . I think the answer obviously of course it is. Very quickly, super bowl sunday, who do you got, sir . Maybe the broncos. Thats who youre rooting for . Or thats whou think will win . Not going to happen. Well be back in a moment with the republican race and my sitdown a few minutes ago with donald trump. And as we go to break, were going to give you some memorable moments from New Hampshire. Heres one. Ronald reagan showing the world what a formidable candidate he would become. I have paid for this microphone. An 2116, you can fly across town in minutes or across the globe tin under an hour. Whole communities are living on mars and solar satellites tt provide earth with unlimited clean power. In less than a century, boeing took the world from seaplanes to space planes, across the universe and beyond. And if you thought that was amazing, you just wait. Look, the wolf was huffing and puffing. 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By the way, were going to get snow on tuesday on voting day. Were broadcasting from the nbc news headquarters here in New Hampshire. An unbelievable setting we have here. And just about anybody who is in politics, reports on politics or just cares about politics has decided to spend the last days before the primary just outside our doors. It as easy to grab four of the best though, journalists, for our panel this morning. My buddy Chris Matthews who of course is host of hardball, been here for many New Hampshire primaries. Our chief Foreign Affairs correspondent Andrea Mitchell who is covering the Hillary Clinton campaign. Hallie jackson also with nbc covering the cruz campaign, and radio talk show host hugh hewitt, host of the hugh hewitt show. Lets focus on last nights Republican Debate. Wow. Headlines, new york times, gop rivals jab at rubio to try to slow his rise, the Washington Post, rubio endures an assault in a rollocing gop debate. I wish i could hold it up, the one i dont have, choke, with rubio. Hu k. Donald trump did not lose saturday night, i think john kasich pole vaulted over marco rubio into second place by being very New Hampshire, but im a contrary on rubio, he won all of minutes. That will push him back, but he had a terrific second half. And i think hell get the bronze ycome tuesday night. Wow. Chris. Well, thats good except the videotape. And it exists. The three minutes. All right. Well, let me pause. Look at this thing. It is rough. Take a listen. And lets just start once and barack obama doesnt know what hes doing. He knows exactly what hes that barack obama doesnt know what hes doing. He knows exactly what hes doing. This notion that barack obama doesnt know what hes doing is just not true. There it is. There it is. The memorized 25second speech. We are not facing a president that doesnt know what hes doing. He knows what hes doing. Anyone who believes that barack obama isnt doing what hes doing on purpose doesnt understand what were dial u ealing erwith here. Thats e numerable times. Reminded me of the Science Fiction film blade runner where someone in this case Chris Christie proved out there was a replica instead of not a human being. It was strange because he was reading these prerecorded atements which are like implanted memory tracks. They were not a human response. And i think hes got the answer for it and i think it was so strange i have no idea why he did it. Every candidate has lines they repeat. We. ve all been doing a million s. T. E. M. Speeches. His problem was when he got up on the attack when they were doing it against him. Four times, same line. In marco roboto costumes showed up. Campaign would point out some 500 people showed up 45 minutes before the door opened. Theyre fiercely trying to spin this into a positive. Super bowl tonight, history. To repeat over and over again your oneliners in front of your rivals who are already pouncing, who are already calling himihe boy in the bubble and diminishing him, trying to diminish him, it really hits him pochint. Hugh, this is whats per plexing, christie telegraphed this for three days. This was obvious this was coming and this is how they prepare snd. Because hes running a general Election Campaign before he secured the nomination. Ill tell you what amused me last night, every democrat out there is eager to bury marco rubio because they are afraid of marco rubio. They are desperately afraid of him. Therefore i think what we got is a South Carolina brouhaha that will follow this mix up. And it will go to the convention. Convention because rubios not going away. One question, was there logic to doing it four tim in a row . Yes. Because hes talking to me. Hes talking to republicans about barack obama. He is going to run that general Election Campaign. Barack obama knew what he was doing to this country. The democrats hate that ro you mean if he could do it over again he would repeat the same lines four times in a row . No. What does it mean . He fold back on christie a second time his staff had trained him and he had learned to be disciplined. Its a pla ed but seeing staff trained is not what these candidates need to show on that stage, hugh. They need to show that they have a functioning brain. This is a very smart man. You know who were not talking about . Were not talking about donald trump or ted cruz. Let me play a quick little jeb bush had one of his best moments with donald trump on the issue of Eminent Domain. What donald trump did was use Eminent Domain to try to take on the strip in atlantic city. Wants to a tough guy. A lot of times youll have and it doesnt work very well. How tough is it to take property from an elderly woman . Let me talk. Quiet. Thats all of his donors and special interests out there. It was a fascinating moment because i think the issue is bad for trump here, but i thought his retort there was probably good for here. And the physical, the body language, you know, shh, i mean, he was so patronizing. Very. It was a different jeb. That wasnt the jeb of three months ago bho melted in that moment. His mom is out here telling him he needs to interrupt more and be less polite and thats what youre seeing. For trump, he doesnt like to be booed. He got booed four times within about two minutes within that exchange. I asked him do you think you said last night, well, bush tries to be tough, ut hes not a tough guy. But governor bush had his best night. I want to put the republican spin on thid because its true. Republicans hate Eminent Domain. They hate it. Yes. Its abused him enough. That was a bullying moment. Everybody saw a bully there. You have to decide is the bully on your side. 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If we all do that we can all win. Prudential welcome back. Well, it was quite a debate last night as ron burgundy might have said, that escalated quickly. My next guest, donald trump, he wants to rebound from the iowa loss and take New Hampshire to hang onto his frontrunner status. And mr. Trump joins me now. Welcome back to meet the press, sir. Who is coming in second and maybe a first you tell me. Let me ask you this, how much do you need a New Hampshire win . I dont think i need it, i hope that i get it. Im doing well. I have a Good Relationship with ive been here long before politics had many friends. Thi live up here. Incredible area, beautiful area. I would say that i w thould like to win, but i dont know that its necessary. When you say, you know, the iowa i came in second out of originally 17 people, there are those that say i actually came in first depending on how you want to count the votes to be honest because that was a horrible thing that took place. But i was very proud of iowa and ive never done it before. Do you not accept the iowa results . Do you think theyre legitimate . I think it was very unfair to ben. And in a certain way it was unfair to me. Affected me the same way it affected ben because a lot of votes were added on. A tremendous number of votes were added on. I was a strong second, but im not thinking about iowa. Im thinking about New Hampshire. I dont care about it anymore. I cant help but notice that youre a little humble by what happened in iowa, is that fair to say . Well, i dont think in terms of it. You know, i worked hard there. I really liked iowa. The caucus system is a very complex system and a lot of thing ks go off with a caucus system. I like this system much better in New Hampshire where you go out, you like somebody, you vote. And you can havea ground game and all, but the ground game in iowa is very important whereas the ground game here is different. Are you looking at your campaign and saying, you know what, maybe i need to do some more traditional things in addition to the nontraditional stuff thats been successful. That is true. And i think youll see it here. Very important was that we get through the debate. I didnt want to have a bad debate or even a modest debate. Yand i think we did very well in the debate according to some of your iowa staff has said, boy, we could have used more resources here, more there, are they right . No, theyre totally wrong. I gave them unlimited money. I said do what you have to do. I gave them unlimited money. Hey, look, im 50 million under budget. I thought by this time id have 40 million to 50 million spent and iveinpent very little because i havent had to because people like you put me on all the time. What do i take a commercial for . There you go. I thought id be up to about and, you know, im not. I look at somebody like jeb bush where hes spent over 100 million and hes nowhere and i say how does that happen . I want to talk about last nights debate. You said there is a lot of eyebrows about waterboarding. I would bring back waterboarding and i would bring back hell of a lot worse than waterboarding. Okay. Whats the worse . Well, you didnt see what i said before that. Anat i said before that is in the middle east you have people chopping other other peoples heads. This hasnt happened since medieval times. Theres never been anything like this. And i talked about that. I understand. And i said, by the way, waterboarding is peanutsa compared to what were talking about happening there. So i said i would absolutely approve waterboarding and i would go a lot further. What does that mean . Im not going to define it to you on this program, but i would be very much in favor of going beyond waterboarding. Believe me, in terms of getting information, it works. Dont you worry though, look, were supposed to be better than that. As much as were looking at the medieval sure. We dont do those things. Medieval times. They want to be barbaric, were not. They can do it, but we cant. When they flew planes into the World Trade Center killed thousands of people and many other things that is happening around the world, paris or here, you can do waterboarding and you could go a step beyond waterboarding, it wouldnt bother me a little bit. Another part of the debate had to do with health care. Youve been hit on this. It is unclear to me though, you want more government you want on health care. Yeah. You dont like the system that i understand. The single payer describe the system you want. Let me explain. Okay. First of all, what i do, i have a massive company, i have thousands and thousands of employees. States. You have artificial lines around you know why . Because the Insurance Company taking care of the politicians so they dont want to get rid of thye lines. You would have great private insura ce and it would take care of most people it would be an unbelievable thing. In addition to that you can have a savings you know, you c stan do the savings situation where you would have Health Care Savings accounts and it would be fantastic. Theres to many things you could do. The problem is the Insurance Companies dont want to do these things and they dont want to specifically get rid of the lines because theyd rather have a monopoly in new york, as an example, then let 50 Companies Come in and bid. Companies from iowa, companies from New Hampshire. Yo but youre gng to have to structure a Government Program to do this. No. Heres what you do. Youre going to have a great system, but there will be people left that dont have any money. And what i said last night is i dont want people dying in the middle of y the street. Its not going to happen if im president. Okay. This snt single payer. This is using their hospitals to take care of people, you work them out, you reimburse the hospital because we will get extend medicaid . You can do it through medicaid. You can do it through some other way, but im just saying very to do with single. This has to do wilh humanity. This has to do with having a heart. We can have unbelievable insurance at a much lower cost. I dont know if you know obamacare is going up 35, 45, 55 , the premiums are through the roof, in 17 it collapses. Youre going to have people youre going to have great plans, but youre going to have people that wont be able to afford even 10 cents. We cannot let them die on the streets, chuck. And were going to take care of them. Whether its medicaid, or youre going to work out some kind of a deal with hospitals to take care of these people. But if im president , peoplet arent going to be dying in the streets. There was a tough piece this week i the Washington Post implying that your campaign and pryou individually are tougher on women correspondents, women anchors, women reporters than men. It was in the post. Trumps penchant for insulting people and organizations that displease him is well known, less remarked upon however has trump pours out for the women who chronicle his campaign. I think ive been tougher on you than any human being on earth in terms of reporter. I think my wife believes that totoo. Im tougher on you than anybody. Ive heard these whispers before. Theres a perception out there. How do you get rid of the perception . Perhaps its the megyn kelly situation. Look, she gave me a really phony question. It was a setup question. It wasnt even a question. It was a statement. It was inappropriate. And i hit her hard. I think thats fine. But if you gave me that question, id hit you the same way. You are the perfect one you have been, you know, under fire from me for a long time. And you are far from a woman. Well, that is a fact. Thanks. I never even heard this. I havent seen the report. I havent seen it. I get so much publicity i dont get to Read Everything unfortunately. But this was in the Washington Post . Look, i think there are some women theres one sitting right over there in the beautiful red dress, do you see i have Great Respect for that woman. I dont know if she knows that im talking about her. Im talking about you. I would never do that to you. I believe hes referring to Andrea Mitchell. Im referring to andrea. I want to ask about one final thing here and in 1999 when you talked about running for president , you hinted that it may be easier to pledge being a oneterm president because youd take the politics out of the second term. Do you still feel that way . Well, i think there are certain advantages but if youre doing a great job ive seen people do that and want to go further and do more good people and they never win. Because they said one term and its a real negative. I dont want to say that but there are certain advantages to it. But if were doing great and if the people like me, iy i was lucky enough to win. You know, my whole thing is make America Great again. Were going to make America Great again. Make our military strong, take care of our vets, well have strong borders, we will have the wall. So many different things, health care, get rid of obamacare, great plans for much less money. Were going to make America Great again. Great job, well keep going. And if were not, you know, we have automatic termination. Its called the voters will terminate. But that wont happen. So youre not doing a oneterm pledge . No, im not going to do a oneterm pledge. If im doing a good job ill keep going. Donald trump, leave it there. See you in South Carolina. Thank you very much. When we come back, what do the iowa results tell us about what may happen in New Hampshire . 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Kerry won, dean finished third followed by the dean scream, a kerry surge. Kerry wound up winning big in New Hampshire. Dean was soon out of the race. This is what you want if youre ted cruz. Turn your big iowa win into New Hampshire gold. Up next, the marco rubio and gary heart scenario. In 84 hart trailed Walter Gary Hart still exceeded, quote, expectations, and became the Big National Story line. Sound familiar, senator rubio . Well, it worked. Hart went onto a big victory in New Hampshire the following week and became the chief competitor to mondale for the rest of the season. Finally, we have donald trump chlts he. He w ts to be the george h. W. Bush in history. 88 bush was ahead up over bop bob dole by ten points. Like bush on monday he had a disappointing showing in iowa. He actually finished third to dole. There was a lot of Bush Campaign hand wringing with bush slipping in the poll. What happened in New Hampshire . He hung on in the end quite nicely. He won New Hampshire and onto winning the entire republican nomination and of course the presidency itself. So three frontrunners each have some version of history on their side, but which v rsion will play out tuesday night . Who knows at this point. I smell a jumble coming. David hosting and Bernie Sanders running, how could saturday night live resist . They didnt. Enough is enough. We need to unite and Work Together if were all going to get through this. Sounds like socialism to me. Y you read headlines about businesses being hacked and intellectual property being stolen. That is cybercrime and it affects each and every one of us. Microsoft created the digital crimes unit to fight cybercrime. We use the microsoft cloud to visualize information so we can track down the criminals. When it comes to the cloud, trust and security are paramount. Were building what we learn back into the cloud to make people and organizations safer. Whatever youre doing, plan well and enjoy life. 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If you look at a lot of what senator sanders is proposing, the numbers just dont add up. What leadership is about is not just swimming with the current. This is an effort by the Sanders Campaign to basically say anybody whos ever taken a donation, not just from wall street street, if you take it to the national conclusion from anybody, is bought and paid for. Toipt i want to start this conversation on a larger topic we were talking about off camera yesterday. Whats fascinating about this democratic race is its the first one in my lifetime that has been a race to the left. We hovent seen that in a long time. It used to be the democratic president ial primary was about could hug the middle. And thats still the Campaign Clinton wanted to run, but thats not the one she has to now. Its very hard for her to fight him because this elastic use of the term progressive. Progressive covered teddy roosevelt, a moderate, you know, activist republican, and then in 48 carried kind of a very hard left even prosoviet Henry Wallace breaking with truman saying the cold war was our fault. Lii donmethink he means that. But he can come out and get the farthest left vote just like cruz can get the farthest right voter, and hug that rail. Now, hillary would surprise me as why she wants to go chasing after him. Whspy doesnt she draw then line, why didnt she do it three months ago, im not a socialist, i dont hate socialists but im not one. Heres why, fundamentally i do believe in the free enterprise. Thats how our systems work, because of that freedom i dont want the government to try to run everything. But andrea, the party has moved. This reminds me of 1992 and shes lost the base and the women. Thats whats stunning here in New Hampshire. They are really they cant figure out how to combat that. So to try to attract young women whom she lost by such extraordinary numbers in iowa and in the polling so far here, shes going to Women Centers who bypa definition are part of the establishment and theres no female marco rubio. You have to be an older woman to become a senator because the deck is so stacked against you. Thats just the reality. So youve got women senators, youve got Madeleine Albright who validates her Foreign Policy credentials and criticized his. But these people and the frustration of Madeleine Albright and of Hillary Clinton is why dont these young women realize what we went through and how we havent won the battle yet. And how, oh, this can be taken back. And why arent they reacting to 18 million cracks in the Glass Ceiling . Hallie, you havent seen it on the trail . No. Whats interesting to me when has among a different kind of electorate. I spoke with a woman yesterday shes been a registered republican in New Hampshire for 15 years. She is going to primary for jeb bush and then switch her registration so she can vote for Bernie Sanders. Shes out there working and volunteering to rally people around sanders because of sort of what hes tapping into that speaks to something a little more broad than just the Typical Party line. Both parties are racing to their bases. I love what andrea just said. Theyre going 1972, im all for that. But, hugh, the republicans are going 64. We have the ability to come back quickly. I must say i was stunned by your interview with senator sanders. I think it makes him not viable as a candidate to be that hard left on Foreign Policy. I did note that donald trump finished the debate by bringing up mrs. Clintons server. Last night. So you have a terribly unelectable candidates wants to go full against a candidate who has flaws on record and honesty keep going to 72. I have to say everybody is going to get brutalized. The two nominees are going to be pretty battered and bruised. The young woman yesterday in concord came at hillary i worked for you in 2008 but troubled by benghazi and the server, shes getting blowback from the very people she needs. All right. Take a quick pause here. Back with our end game segment. I want to show you something jeb bush told me this morning about last nights debate. Morning about last to shower with, but there are easier ways to go green. E like taking shorter showers, which conserves water you ll sing long ballads in the rain and short ditties in the shower. The more you know whatd you make of senator rubio last night . Its scripted, you know, message discipline is important. And i envy candidates who can repeat the same thing over and over again. My brother was good at that. But to be so scripted that you cant have the agility to show, you know, the leadership skills that you need to be president of cethe United States i think is et became clear last night. Yes, jeb bush comparing marco rubio to his brother, i guess. Reflecting on last nights debate a little earlier. Im going to have a full length interview on that youll see tomorrow morning. We have special coverage on msnbc as everybody knows. Tomorrows panel is here, end game time. Hugh, right i hope i get to go down to South Carolina because ws coming out to fight for his brother. Marco rubios got to get off of the floor because of this perceived loss last night and it will be a fantastic. Let me paint a scenario, trump at 28 , say 28, 29, and th ten all of a sudden, kasich, bush, rubio, cruz, 17, 16, 15, 14, nobody gets out . As iowa passion drives you to go to the caucuses, you have to get involved. Here you vote as a civic duty. Everybody votes in New Hampshire in the prhmaries. People are going to go out and vote. When they see rubio having a om problem the other night, they wve somebody else its going to be kasich. Gohe sits there as an option. I think kasich is going to do incredibly well because of civic duty. Theyre regular voters. I thought he had by the way kasich had his best debate hes ever had and hes not been grokeat at these debates. Question about his organization and where he moves from here and his campaign feels thats a long time away. Andrea, South Carolinas going to be we thought sout deh carolinas going to make 20ar00 look like patacake. Thats what i think. First of all, you have Bernie Sanders now trying to compete for the africanamerican vote. And hes beginning to develop an organization. But you have the veterans, the military the republican side this is going to be a battle. Republican side, donald trump is playing to the veterans and the military. Im not sure kasich can do that. I want a trumpkasich ticket. Thats wha thi want to see. I want to bring up a point that has gotten lost that i think may feed into a perception that we dont cover these things the same. The iowa results, three of the top four andidateon the republican side were two his hispanics and an africanamerican. You know, historic night for the republican party. Thre not regenerating a party that is old life is very important. Another thing that got missed a little bit last night. Mary kathrine ham who lost her their second child in november did a terrific job last night. She did. I want to take my hat off to her. Shes inspiring. Absolutely. Good debate. It was a good debate. Lets leave here on a lighter note. If you were watching saturday night live last night, you would be exu cused as we were to two Bernie Sanders on stage. We were talking to sanders live in studio 8h live with larry david on a boat. I am so sick over the 1 getting this preferential treatment. [ applause ] enough is enough. We need to unite and Work Together if were all going to get through this. Sounds like socialism to me. Democratic socialism. Whats the difference . Huge. That was one more punch line there, andrea, he talked about they land on ellis island and he says, you know, my name is Bernie Sanders witski, drop the witski, sounds less jewish. Its funny we can laugh about that, but the other thing that could be history making and theyre talking about it is the first jewish president. No, hes going to be the first jewish candidate on the democratic side to win delegates here in New Hampshire. Its going to happen. Theres been history all over the place. First, first, first. And ive been surprised all over the coverage. We did it right here. Talk like this or think like i know, i know. Our kids dont get it. Thats it for today. Well be back next week because if its sunday, its meet the press