Pamela come to defense news. Here and United States have slapped more sanctions on Russias Energy banking sectors but moscow doesnt appear to be bank appear to be backin down. All eyes are on the alliance and whether it can achieve the unified results necessary to counter Vladimir Putin. And more on hamas and gaza is seen civilian deaths are causing alarm worldwid what does this mean for defense spending here and abroad and what impact will sanctions against russias sector have against the Global Industrial base . Joining us are taught harrison of the center of strategic and assessment, mackenzie of the American Enterprise institute, andavid for the center for strategic and international study. Welcome back to the panel. David, europe and america have agreed to sanctions that are targeting russias sectoral sanctions. How likely are the change are they to change . It takes a long time and has to penetrate. That is theature of sanctions. Initial reactions, it strengthens thhand of the target. They can do a lot of things that are blamed on the sanctions. The today you have seen recently that russia has cracked down on internet access. Than use the sanctions as an use f for strengthening and is a fragile economy. Vladimir continues this this putin views the largest significant signal is how it signals the change in attitude in europe toward russisia and its behavior in the ukraine. N. Er ego paul terrier purpose of vladimir potter an ulterr purpose of Vladimir Putin the mh 17 downing has changed the calculus. And the atrocious behavior of prorussian ukrainian forces. The global dedefense business hs an increasingly interconnected ecosystem. How are the sanctions going to affect the global arms business wh the sanctions are hit . Clocks that contributes to getting sanctions. Our Global Economy is so interconnected. The french can proceed with the warship. The two warships they sold to russia. Ard. T does make it h is another angle that is really important here. We need to be careful that russia that europe doeoesnt conclude a attentions all they need to do. The real probl is europe has not maintain the capacity to defend themselves. The connenections between the no summit and that is t the key going into this summit. The only thing that Vladimir Putin understands and respects his american strength and credible nato strength. Strength is through presence, being there, political wealth. First and foremost it is being on the front line. It is Crystal Clear that is too low to reject anything credible to him. The group we have put together on the rotational basis, it is not going to be enoh over the long term to make a statement. , what a are some of the other things that you think will be on e table when it comes to the i think they are going g to have to determine how to implementnt this sort of posture that mackenzie is alluding to. I would be interested in seeing how they formulalate and deploy some forces or capabilities that counter subversion rather r than coercion. Not the brandnew but the olthd and new game that putn is playing in t ukraine and may play in other countries around his perhery. The does not have cability to combat that right now. One thing i would add is there the immediate there is the immediate need in the ukraine. Then there is the long game as well. Forces haved states the capabilities to counter more aggressive and more aggressive europe . Are they making the right Investment Choices so ththat in0 years thehey will have the right capabilies . What is the answer . All of them hahave taken deep financial hits. They have the potential to do that. There is an awareness of wherere the biggest gaps are and the actions that would be taken to fill that. Get those on the ble as part of the debebate remains to be seen. I want to see actns and not hear words. Nato is good with strong statements. Even for the u. S. Our drawdown has gone too far. To step upas collectively to make any impact on decisionmaking. Them every one of these cris has less to offer. The stated goal isiso break the terror tunnels when he gained control of egypt, allowed stuff to flow in through gaza, things leading to high combat casualties. You have a lot of dead civilians which is than a challenge. Whwhat are some of the broader lessons as you are looking at that conflict . Look at the missi competition we see going on between hamas and israel. While the e iron dome appears to it would effective, not be that effective if hamas was firing rockets that were guided and somewhat accurate, even remotely accurate. The e vast majority of rockets they fire are going over unpopulated areas. Doesnes that iron dome select to intercept, it has a hit ratete of 90 . 10 is still causing damage and achieving the ultimate goal to terrorize the population. We have to take somome lessons from that when we look at our own Missile Defense systems. On the rightg to be side of this . Can we ever build Missile Defense systems that will be successful and doing it in a costeffectiveve w . Is reported in realtime. There is no lag timeetween what happens on the ground and anody else who knows about it here. Anybody can put it on the news. We have seen some extraordinary video. For qstion ls calls into question is this and lananden airpowe power. It will be about Human Interaction and contact. Take the chief of staff. S his group is looking at conflict. Different perso by person, building by buililding, and block by block block quite block block by block. 1. 7 Million People are jammed to a very tiny area. Did you have something you wanted to add a . That depends on your ability to know the intelligence information inin advance. Is itk one of the lessons was inadequauate awareness by israeli intelligence. Speaking of potentially inadequate intelligence, american jihadist. There was a chilling video of who died in a Suicide Attack working for al qaeda. Statesbeen in the united. Isisnt this an incredible wakeup call . There are people fighting in syria who arent even of european backgrods. Eric holder was warned about this. It is not a surprise in the abstract. The white house is very concerned. We are still feeling the impact. How w al qaeda h has changed in response to that intelligence leaking, we havent a adapted. Just because you have an american passport doesnt mean you can sail through immigration controls. I dont think we need to be excessively alarmed. We are back with our roundtable. The National Defense panel was mandated by congresss to review the administration quadrennial review. The first highlight is it is a stunning bipartisan review. Tarkreport lays out in blackandwhite. So bad that there is a readess crisis now. Its so bad that emergency supplemental is required to address it. It is the start of a rebuilding of a political consensus. Something has been lacking over the last six years. Say for thet cutie are . You released to question n the value. It becomes a bureaucratic exercise. If that is all it is were spending an incredible amount of resources. Nt of it may be time to rethink the qdr. Ence of the if congress creates their own let dodgy document and choose whether or t they want to respond. It is not about matching the strategy. The debate is not about how much money we should spend on defense. How much context of government do we need and how much we arare going to pay for. It is verery tough, even though people recognize the defensese s being cut. We are not going to have solution. It is a bipartisan and majority of voteses for a higher level of defense spending. That question never gets to the floor of the house. It is an expression with a little less detail of what to vote on. Peopleook to 20 years in the future. I dont think you get to that consensus. That is the value of having Something Like this. M that is the value of having some sort of strategic view on something. Theyre going to control all of congress. Anymore about what that means . To sequestration go away . Is there an agreement the defense spending goes up . Can you argue that these crises are why you will have to spend more money for National Security at the end of the day . It depends on which republicans take control of congress. Party . He tea or is it the more traditional mainstreamepublicans who take control. With the majority of 52 o or 53 seats, he is going to have sixx people in his own caucus. To have ang ungovernable majority since 2010. I think the party will Work Together in both chambers to endorse the natural defense panel. It is with the caveat that nondiscretionary spending has to increase as well. Practically nothing is going to change. I dont see that changing for president obama as an official lame duck. Where the national l defense pal will become most important is for the primary process. Anybody who cannot get into this mainstream umbrella they are thinking aut american leadership. This is about continued internationalism. Comes down ton the fiscal year 16 budget. I think the work of the national defee panel helps frame some of those tradeoff issues. Theress ultimimately has opportunity to spend money better. It is purely a political question Congress Needs to step up. The morninge up after the election and regard the tea party as being in change, i think it could theourage of the house leaderip to bring some stuff on the floor thewould not be otherwise willing to do. That could begin to move the defense budget. Wneed a democraticic president to sign it into law. For that reason the grand bargain or even a mini bargain will remain elusive. Afghanistan . Xt foror welcome back to our table. Cap of the atlantic the Atlantic Council and david of the strategic and international study. One quick question iant to ask Congress Managed to accomplish between now and by the time it is no longer a congress . Immigrations still on hold. What are they going to get done . The house has passed most of the legislation they shoululd ps every given year. Weeks in two days in september to do something. They really y have no incentive to. Part of the problem with congress is they do not want to vote. That will be the only thing it gets done at the start of the fiscal year. Through the lame duck session . Or are they going to kick this all the way into the next congress in january and then things get tricky . They need time long enough to figure out if there is anothemini sequestster deal. The debt ceiling issue hits again next year. Does that mean all bets are off and we are actually living inala land . . All bets are off, im not sure where wend up. The budgetet cap could change. It is the n normal. We may ultimately get an actual appropriations bill for fiscal year 15 in march. I dont think it would btoo terribly surprising. The air fce released its 30 year strtrategy. Operation between the service and congress, what a surprise given that congress has been so pleased with the airsoft with the air force the past couple of years. Better on and off ramps for military personnel. There are some people who are saying some of the stuff is really obvious, what youhink . At the end of the day the air force has always needed to steal a page from the navys playbook. They finally are. The navy has needed the air force for budgetary lunch. The department of the navy, they get the huntnt every year and ty hash out outcomes a budget and they agree on it. Ask 10 force, you generals the same question. Heill get 11 answers. That has to change. This goes back to 2005, different answers from everyone in uniform. Untilwont see them march, either. I want to go to afghanistan. The army chief is going over there to replace the head of the mission. We are in the most important phase, some would argue. What do the next months and year look like in this operation . What do we have to be prepared for . Depends a lot on thisis contest over the president ial election. Possible rankly frankly impossible for me to predict. As much as we dont want to everything is going to be shaped by what we didnt do in iraq. The debate will rage back here. The next five months are critical here. We have an agrgreement we thinke have agreed to but we dont know who we are going to sign it with. Both of thenews is candidates have said that no matter who wins we will allow troops to stay there. I think we have to step back even further. Eventutually we will be out of that out of afghanian. How long. A matter ofof right now we are relying on afghanistan as cover for getting more money for defense above budget caps. That is what supports it. Thank u for joining us. We should do a show entirely on what h happens when they lose tt piggy bank. Coming up, my notebook. Now that you are up in washington, defense, energy, and thinking sectors, some would think this crisis is over. Hardly. The deputy supreme allied commander of europe says it is possible Vladimir Putin may again test the alliance. Putin could use subterfuge. To counter this threat, natos military headquarters is considering augmenting the readiness of the Nato Response force to provide an immediate presence to counter the threat of russian torsion. Endorse thiscould imdiate alliance at their september summit, adding it would ensure allies to back off in a direct threat to nato allies. Could counter theressure exerted by large numbers of Russian Forces along the border of an alliance nation. All that is needed is the will to form new units. Conventional deterrerence worked during the cold war and is vital now. The opportunistic leader is likely to take bigger risks to stay in power. 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