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George Knapp know here's George free as a bird the Beatles bring us back into the program a new term has entered the public consciousness in recent years I mentioned it at the top up the night's broadcast the 6th extinction it's taken from the title of a popular book published a few years ago describing the mass extinction of species now being documented around the world you know the argument could be made and has been made well. You know what's the loss of one kind of snail or the last one kind of fish one frog one bird and the answer is all these species are connected to us and to the planet and eventually when enough species vanish it puts us on the list as well so in connection with Earth Day I thought we'd talk about the outlook for other animal species on Earth as well as animal welfare issues closer to home it's been a while since we've talked with Wayne Pacelle He joins us in a moment here on coast to coast am. 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Animal welfare groups have mobilized they've made enormous progress in recent years in particular issues still a long way to go on others but bad news on the macro scale I mentioned about the extinction of species on a global scale the 6th Extinction a some people have called it many other species now endangered and the outlook for a lot of animals around the world is grim here to talk about it is animal rights advocate former president of the u. Maine society of us Wayne Pacelle he Wayne been a long time good to have you back great to see George thanks for having me on let's talk about that the Big Picture of The 6th Extinction is that exaggerated or is it as grim as some have projected. Well you know there's a lot of debate about of course and you know there are many people who who reject this sort of you know notion that you know the world is collapsing things are horrible they have a lot of faith in humans and technology but you know I do think from an objective perspective there's just no question that there are so many of us in the world we humans you know wherever you start humanity it took us until $1800.00 to get to $1000000000.00 it took us another century plus it wasn't until $927.00 that we got to $2000000000.00. But then the increment in terms of time keeps shrinking for us to add another 1000000000 so it was in 1960 George probably about the time you and I were born that it took us globally to get to 3000000000 so it was it was you know 33 years between 19071960 go to 3000000000 now it's taking us just 12 or 13 years from that point to get to another 1000000000 we're closing in on 8000000000 and you think about our planet is pretty small one of the iconic photographs is when we went into space went to the moon and a an astronaut took a picture from you know the close to the service of the moon they were still in the in the aircraft and look back and there's this small little blue green dot in this enormous solar system with it within the larger Milky Way galaxy which is a tiny little drib within the within the universe and you know most of it's water it's small if you look at our planet 70 percent of the earth is covered the water of the terrestrial landscape a lot of it's rock and ice you know we still have a lot of space here in the United States you're in your home state of Nevada there's a lot of public land but my gosh we've got nearly 8000000000 people on this planet we are crowding out animals I don't think I don't think it's logical for anyone to say hey you know technology is going to solve everything we have resource limits we have space limits and animals are being crowded out when you have you know just a couple of 1000 pandas left or a couple of 1000 tigers left and you of so many species that are on the endangered threatened list because they're on the precipice of extinction that should send up one. Unclear as to us as a species about our ability to get along with other species you know the he get into the whole issue of climate change a some people their eyes gloss over it's so political and partisan and and laden with peril because people don't want to argue about it but you know it's there's no arguing about loss of habitat for a lot of species and I don't think there's really any argument about the impact of human expansion that you were just referencing do you have sort of a mental laundry list of species that are already gone and which ones could be next . Well you know I mean I'm most of the species in the world there are you know are insects that tiny I mean this site to say that you know they've identified 1200000 species in the world they say that there may be as many as 10000000. In terms of the animals that we think of in terms of the bigger animals you know that are nearly 10000 birds or 4400 or so mammals but you know you look at our u.s. Endangered species list which chronicles the fate of species in the United States but also other species and part of the reason we do that is that we have something in the world coal wildlife trafficking that that people capture animals and ship them around as you know as living beings or they kill them and send their parts that's wildlife trafficking and you know we can potentially you know for good enforcement we can control you know what species are coming into the sates whether they are you know coming in as live animals as live birds for the for the pet trade or for different body parts you know whether it's for leather or for ivory or for Rhino horror for barrel gallbladders or for you know pangolin scales there are many different parts of animals that are traded but if you look at it you know we've got you know we've got more than a 1000 species on our endangered and threatened species list and if you look at those numbers that I think I mean they're not that many species in the world so you know for me just looking at those percentages is incredible and you know the the bigger animals are often in trouble because they need more space right they range and roam around there are certain species that are very adaptable and diverse and well you know think of a deer whitetail deer and on the East Coast there are lots of them they are very successful they can live adequately and disrupted human habitats coyote. These are another species I mean they have expanded in range but then you look good you know the larger animals like Grizzly Bear are simian they're still on threatened list and polar bears we've heard a lot about them being in trouble we know about elephants who can migrate up to 40 miles a day you know they're not right on the edge of extinction but they're in trouble they're the the other big mammal in Africa or the rhino species that are you know they're there right right at the edge and several species are just about done for in Asia you know where you think about population George I talk about 7 plus 1000000000 people in the world you know more than more than 2 and a half or about 2 and I have 1000000000 of them live in 2 countries China and India I mean there's just not much space left for the species so how can they survive if they require large space you know as a as somebody who has lobbied Congress and dealt with policy makers and at the state and federal level and international level you've heard the argument many time what's the loss of one bug one bird one frog one fish how do you respond to that well you know. There's a famous famous ecologist and scientist named Al the Leopold is really the father father of modern game management wildlife management through the hunter he he you know really set up a lot of the structures that have dominated our federal fish and wildlife agencies and our state fish alive agencies he said you know to keep every colleague in a wheel is the 1st precaution of intelligent tinkering So he said you know the smartest thing you do is you just save all the parts and you know we don't know what all of the what all of the connections are between species we do know that we have moved a lot of species around the world and sometimes these exotic species you know species that are native to Asia or Africa or some from the world have come to North America and been true tremendously disruptive like the Asian carp and a lot of our freshwater systems but George I think there's you know there's the practical side of it and then there's kind of the ethical side in terms of our human Schuman dominance of the planet you know there's no doubt that we humans are different then than other animals and we've got this incredible brain you know look at us we've been we've increased as I said to you know between 7 and half and 8000000000 we've been capable of computing artwork all of the creativity and ingenuity that we exhibit it shows that that we're different but if we are the one species and we do have all this intelligence we should exhibit responsibility when it comes to the natural world we're the ones who should be saving all the parts and I think it makes sense from from every perspective from an ethical perspective all along a lot of people have talked about you know some of the plant species in the world in the Amazon that we haven't discovered and you know. Is the new cure for cancer there is the new easy you know cure for some other malady that has harmed human beings there I mean we've got very practical reasons to be protective of species and we've got I think an ethical responsibility as the dominant species to save all the parts you know the people who have to have trouble getting their heads around this part of the argument about the oceans they can't buy that we could possibly overfished the oceans they can't buy that humans could possibly cause enough pollution to create a situation where it in danger is our own survival or that you know we can do something that went effect the creation of plankton or algae that disrupt the food chain but there are a lot of indications that there that's the direction we're heading while there was a piece on 60 Minutes not too long ago about some of the avian life on Midway Island you know us holding in a very remote part of the Pacific and they found you know dead birds and they see birds and they looked at their stomach contents and they were full of plastic I mean this is one of the remote remotest parts of the world and the animals are dying because their stomach is full of plastic I mean our impact is felt in every part of this world every corner you know every remote island we human serum pack and we think about the oceans you know you have so many nations of the world there are 200 nations in this world. Many of them have commercial fishing fleets and they're out often in the open ocean and they're dragging out as much as they possibly can with drift nets and and other you know highly industrialized fishing methods I mean how much can the oceans produce and if you look at you know people who are looking at fisheries and you see how depleted they are no mind then the you know the many consequences on mammals on the on the whales and the Dolphins and the turtles and the other species that are incredible features of our oceans and residents and denizens of our oceans I mean I think part of this George is that people are so removed from it right the ocean looks like this you know this vast thing and some of the life is at the surface but not that much it's beneath the surface you don't see it so you don't know what's going on it's just not you know top of mind not in front of you and I think this this this you know world we're very connected but we're still deeply disconnected from what's happening with the oceans. Well talk a little bit about wildlife trade you touched on it briefly that's one of the hot button issues whenever somebody post a photo on Twitter of some rich trophy hunter posing with a giraffe or an elephant a rhino a lion there's a big backlash of people do react to it it touches the pulse of the public in a pretty dramatic way. And yet you know year after year it seems like the African countries some of them have stepped forward and created sanctuaries and then others are backsliding Botswana I think is one of them right now that's considering it you're on top of that issue right yes well brought Florida is an incredible country you know it's in Southern Africa it's about the size of Texas and it has more elephants and lions and other large African wildlife animals than any other country in 201320148 was the biggest trophy hunting country in all of Africa and that's saying something because so that the law allows a lot of trophy hunting and Zimbabwe did under the gobby and Namibia has as well and the president 2014 said no more said we're going to end all trophy hunting no rich Americans or Europeans or Chinese or Saudi Arabians can come here to shoot elephants or to shoot rhinos or to shoot African lions and that's been the law of the land the now the current president is thinking about reversing that policy and that is creating a global issue and cry and part of the reason is that you know we realize that these species are in trouble now you know in relative terms Botswana has abundant wildlife compared to other countries but in you know historical terms it's still you know a depleted country now as I said it's a it's a big country the size of Texas only 2000000 people. And and you know compare that to Texas which is nearly you know 30000000 people so there's a lot of space there but even there there's a lot of my poaching to a significant extent that's been documented and there are other threats and I just think you know beyond the species part of it George elephants are incredible animals right I mean they live in family groups the grandmothers live with the with the mothers and the the juveniles and they can live to 70 years of age you know when and when a herd member dies or a family member dies they have rituals you know almost funeral type rituals we know all about their cognitive abilities these animals you know are the biggest land animals in the world I mean why would we kill them you know for one small body part for their tusks which is you know principally the trophy that the hunter takes away you know the same thing with with rhinos and why kill a rhino just for the horn just for the bragging rights I think this is the issue that offends a lot of people it's not done for sustenance done for human survival it's not done to protect us because of animals coming at us and we're you know we're fearful for a life you've got a circumstance where someone's traveling a 1000 miles you know across the planet and going to kill an animal to get into some pantheon of the Safari Club International or some international trophy hunting group to get you know this species and that species there are about 30 awards that the Safari Club gives out one of them is called the Africa big 5 Sea get the award if you shoot a lion a leopard elephant a rhino and a cape buffalo they've got an award they're called Cats of the world 3 have to shoot 5 the big cats of the world or 5 of the 8 bears of the world for that award. And I think that you know many of us who who look at our species you know we stand in wonder at our ability as a species to do incredible acts of charity to to be so creative and ingenuity of and then we also stand and look at how diabolical we can be at times and to to use our wealth and to use our creativity to amass the heads of animals all over the world as some sort of you know set of museum artifacts or just for for bragging purposes you know just just I think really strikes a lot of court of course sessile the lion in Zimbabwe in 2015 was the was the you know really archetype a case of this some you know rich dentist traveled from Minnesota and he went to Zimbabwe and he lured with part of an elephant carcass. A lion who was one of the most studied lions in the world and when game National Park. Learned out shot him with an arrow injured him couldn't find him as as night fell went back to to his camp and you know had a nice sleep on line was was bleeding throughout the night and he came back in the morning with with a guy and they finally found the 4 creatures and he shot them again with an arrow and somebody showed a picture of the grinning trophy hunter over the slain lion and in our world the social media it ricocheted everywhere and there was global outrage and then at that time almost all the airlines that service Africa and frankly you know many of the airlines that service other parts of the world large population. They react and I will come back to that we need to take a break we're talking with Wayne Pacelle e of animal wellness action dot org trophy hunting and more here on coast to coast am toto into the break with Africa find out more about tonight's guest log on to coast to coast am dot com. Which is really just. As I said. On at. 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Wayne Pacelle before the break you were telling us about the sessile the lion and the uproar that was caused by that case one of the consequences was Airlines decided they were no longer going to carry trophy heads and animal parts back to the u.s. Which I would assume had a pretty big impact on trophy hunting in general is that still the case as they say how they got into an origin I think it's pretty incredible I think of United American Delta vision u.s. Carriers saying we're not going to take any of the Africa Vick 5 no transporting lions and elephants and rhinos in these you know get away vehicles for these trophy hunters who are who are looting Africa of its greatest resource and it wasn't just the American carriers it was the you know big European and Asian even Middle East carriers said no way to this so I think it's pretty incredible I think that the bit of a turning point because it suggests that their activity has become shameful at some level and I think a lot of the folks who do it do this to show you know that there are a great you know global trophy hunter and when you can proudly you know show off your trophy you've kind of lost one of the big purposes of what you do so that's not enough because a lot of these guys have private planes and they can figure out other ways to get their their trophies out of these countries but I thought it was a big moment in the global campaign against Rovenia where species it's kind of a give away about the motive here you know I the Safari International they have their convention here every year and we've heard the argument over and over this is really for the good the animals the best thing to do for elephants and rhinos is to shoot a couple of them plus you you know support conservation efforts and you support the local economy. These guys are not fly and spend 80 grand applied to Africa to shoot a rhino to help the local economy if they can't bring back the head they don't want to do it well exactly and there are plenty of you know really successful wealthy people who just don't need $80000.00 to promote health and conservation right of hesitation they don't say you know they don't have a ransom and say oh well I'll give you the 80000 but you've got to let me shoot you know one of these animals I mean that's not conservation again that's ransom or extortion policy so I do think George that this is is you know really really does expose them for for this this rhetoric which is you know it's just chatter and jabber it's not it's not real they're not real conservationists when you're shooting a threatened or endangered species and I don't see how you can claim that mantle if that's your if that's your conduct and your motivation where are we legally in the u.s. On trophy hunting because a it seems to go every couple of months or so I hear about a shift back and forth and in American policy about whether it's going to be allowed to reimport these hearts and heads and things of that sort well during the Obama administration the u.s. Official a service which is the steward of our wildlife populations and sets up the rules for for imports into the u.s. They listed African lions as threatened or endangered depending on different parts of Africa and their status and that was a big moment that restricts lion imports into the u.s. Now about $700.00 lions are killed by American trophy hunters every year they were told that listing $600.00 of them George are coming out of southern Africa which which has hundreds of canned hunting facilities for why it's so these are not even while the Lions they're shooting these animals in. Captive settings in fenced enclosures where some guide leads you to the Lion and you shoot the lion who cannot escape so that is another you know strange aspect of this that that we're taking some of these species and trying to raise them you know in captive settings and then offer them up for for shooting that has 0 connection to conservation now the fish a lot of service that it was forbidding those those lions from coming into the United States including the canned hunting lions now it's a little confused with the trumpet ministration you know the president after one of the Interior officials part of the theater officials announced that they were going to allow some elephants and lions to come in the president of self you know called trophy hunting a horror show and he said he was putting a stop to it but we're just not sure because there have been conflicting messages coming out of the agency some are certainly coming in but it's not at the flow that was previously you were with h.s. Us a long time and you stepped down a couple of years ago one of the organizations you're working with now and are they on the same page with h.s. Us in general in terms of animal welfare legislation. Yes So I work with the animal wellness Sunday Sion an animal wellness action of 501 c 3 that does some direct care work for animals and Wallace a nation that is and then animal this action is a lobbying and political group that tries to advance legislation because you know policy sets the rules of the road in our society those are really important goals for me they've been important and those groups are very much aligned philosophically with his Us and other mainstream animal welfare groups the other group I work with has a new one called The Corner blue center for a humane economy George you had me on a couple years ago after I wrote my latest book called the Humane economy and the principle there is that businesses are going to succeed if they pick sides or extract animal cruelty from their supply chains their operations their research and development and businesses that continue to engage in cruel practices whether it's animal testing or drawing animal products from factory farms or having for or exotic animal parts in their supply chain they're going to face risks in a world where customers are more alert to animal welfare and Biodiversity and Conservation issues so that new group that I've helped to form called the Center for a humane a comedy is really focused on getting corporations to behave in a way that reflects a sensibility toward animals and whether you think of McDonald's saying it's going to go cage free for it's a purchase is or Giorgio Armani saying we're going to no longer sell any for any of our design lines or Sea World saying we're going to stop breeding orchids these are all positive developments by corporations and and when you think about animals I mean many of them are owned domesticated animals are owned by corporations or wild animals are affected by corporate behavior so George I'm trying to to. Create structures to work on policy and corporate behavior that are really going to scale up animal protection and allow us to affect millions of animal was beneficially a some amazing successes in the last couple years and we're going we'll get into them in a moment but there are also some continuing challenges I give you an example of shark finning which you and I have talked about before and this one just really perplexes me because you know there's there's no. Benefit to eating shark fin not nutritional there's no good taste to it it's strictly a status symbol and you know millions and millions of sharks are killed cut off killed cruelly cut cut their fins off throw back in the water die a slow horrible death and then you know to make soup and it amazes me that we can still eat this stuff by this stuff in this country. Clete is incredible it's like you know killing an elephant for his Tustin a rhino for a horn feeling a shark just for the fin of your taking one percent of the mass of the animal or less and killing the animal just for that for something that you say is you know it's its animal but it has no nutritional value it has no taste and it's used at weddings and other high cations in certain communities for status really and you know nobody really knows that the number but the estimate is 70000000 to 100000000 sharks killed a year who would have thought there are that many sharks in that in the waters to begin with and then some people may say Well sharks you know who cares about sharks Well there are dozens and dozens of species of sharks many of them are are threatened or endangered and you know sharks are apex predators and ocean ecosystems then there's also a big business around that shark diving is a multi-billion dollar business in places like Palauan other great diving places in the world this generates revenue it's part of the economy of so many coastal nations and they're worth preserving for that reason alone no mind for the health of ocean ecosystems. Yeah I'm with out on I mean you create all kinds of problems Sharks don't have great p.r. You know movies like Jaws and and the shows you see in the scary spooky the music and days but they're vital to the the ecology and the health of the oceans to Peter Benchley you know who did Jaws said you know he really regretted that portrayal of sharks and and I think the world is waking up because while you still have some of those negative for trails a lot of our nature programming does remind us of the place that shark 7 ecosystems and now in Congress there's a shark fin trade elimination accelerator Cory Booker a Democrat in a jersey Shelley Moore capital Republican of West Virginia have that Vilma Senate than the house a delegate from Northern Marianas Islands delegates of on has has with Vern Buchanan the Senate Suzi the House and the shark finning Bill I think there's a real shot that these bills can pass the Congress and it will go to President Trump we are working at animal wellness action to try to make that happen along with many many other groups such as Oceana and it would be a great thing for a country to forbid the trade in shark fins to really do our part in the global community to end this mass killing of sharks throughout the world other pieces of legislation that you and the other organizations are working on during do one deals with barriers one is the trade in Bayers where George's is hard to believe that people kill animals just for one body fart but the body part that somehow you know some people covet or gall bladders which are used in dried in powdered form you kill the bear take the gall bladder dry it and powder it and it's used as a kind of potion and traditional Chinese medicine and you know there there are alternatives even you know with. In that kind of pharma Copia there within should traditional medicine that we don't need to do this and you know we have a fairly you know relatively abundant very species in North America. The North American black bear than many of the other species in the world that are in deep trouble I mean we've course we know about polar bears and their plight in the melting Arctic and all the trouble they're having hunting seals and many of their traditional prey within the Asian very species are really in jeopardy and other species like the grizzly bear are are in trouble certainly in the last holdings in the United States in Montana and Washington and Idaho so to kill a vet her just for the gall bladder is is again it's akin to the shark fin or the rhino horn and there's legislation that Representative Ted Lewin representative Rodney Davis Democrat Republican almost all of the animal welfare bills have bipartisan support they have leaders of both political parties advancing new protections for them that their Protection Act has been introduced so I hope that many of your listeners reach out to their federal lawmakers their 2 senators and their representative and urge to pass the shark fin trade Elimination Act the bear Protection Act and other animal protection bills you can find out more about these at animal wellness action dot org and get information on these bills and this is an instance these kind of issues are the ones that get the public start up and enough people call or write or email elected officials will listen well a lot of people complain of a politics and I understand why but if you if you're distant from it if you're not a participant then you know I think you lose a little bit of your credibility in making that argument I see as someone who has advocated for you know dozens of new laws at the federal level and and. Literally hundreds and hundreds of the state level that citizens can make a difference I see it all the time when people write and call and when they go to town hall meetings and write letters to the editor they write op ed pieces or they get schoolkids involved in the kids advocate for these issues things change you know we now have literally you know hundreds of major animal protection laws to crack down on things like animal fighting and other you know barbaric activities they wouldn't exist but for citizen activism and we can just treat that as some sort of historical relic we've got to be participating today I mean democracy is a participatory practice in a requires all of us to take part in a way that's meaningful. And of course consumer action is pretty powerful what you buy and don't buy I'm specifically speaking here about dog meat we don't eat dogs in this country in general I suppose there are exceptions but there is a a huge dog meat trade internationally and how can people here influence that well at the in the last Congress which ended you know the end of 2018 so just you know 4 or 5 months ago there was a major agriculture bill called the farm bill in the Congress does it every 5 years and it really kind of oversees the programs of the u.s. Department of Agriculture and that's where a lot of the animal welfare laws are captured so it's an opportunity for us to amend things like the Animal Welfare Act and we worked on the farm bill George to add a provision to ban the sale of dog and cat meat in the United States and former Congressman Jeff Denham of California lead that effort in the house with all c. Hastings Democrat from Florida and they got that done now that's the law of the land and again it was not a big trade in the u.s. But it does certainly occur in the United States and this really was our attempt as part of the goal community to say that certain species are all off limits in terms of table fare we shouldn't be eating dogs the 1st domesticated species dogs have changed the course of humanity you know with their guarding functions and hurting functions and today the companionship in the service animal elements we all of these these creatures who share our homes and live in our communities more that treat them as a as a little slab of meat and I'm so proud of the of the Congress and I'm even more proud of the people who advocated to get this done and but as you say George it's not the end of the fight I mean the estimate is 30000000 dogs. Chilled for human consumption makes it a bigger problem than puppy mills or dog fighting or any of the other companion animal issues that we associate with the worst forms of cruelty and those other activities are terrible and I have to interrupt you again Wayne We're going to take a break here we'll continue our conversation about the international trade in animals and animal parts some of these organizations that carry this out are actually organized crime and will be opening up the phone lines a little bit later in the program as we go into the break with Lisa lo. Don't forget to watch our t.v. Show beyond belief with George Nory Just log on to beyond belief dot com. Use saying. You know what I want to. Use a. Dog so it's time. I don't laugh ask you said. That. And I. Now know that I did something. 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Many questions remain in the Easter Sunday bombings Imam Kerrick Fox News authorities report a 10th bomb was discovered in diffused in Sri Lanka in addition to the series of explosions which killed 290 people Deborah Haynes is with Sky News there are echoes of Islamist terrorism a coordinated assault against Christian worship this and hotels popular with Western tourists suspected suicide bomber has deployed to cause maximum con edge straight out the playback of Islamic state to Al Qaeda or one of either of their affiliates but nothing is known for certain no one has yet claimed responsibility and no one is drawing any conclusions more than a dozen are under arrest in connection with the bombings Investigators also are looking at intelligence related to advanced warnings of possible suicide attacks a Democratic caucus call is scheduled for this morning President Trump's impeachment is expected to come up for discussion representative Alexandria cacio Cortez says she is signing on to Representative or she did to leaves impeachment resolution a number of Democrats say other things need to happen 1st they need to get the full unredacted report with the underlying documents they need to hear from Attorney General Bill Barr who is testifying before both chambers of Congress early next month and they say they need to hear from Special Counsel Robert Mueller who they've asked to testify in front of the House Judiciary Committee no later than May 23rd Fox Allison Barber the president's attorney Rudy Giuliani suggested.