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The world looks to us to make sure that the World Economy is stable. Not payust pay our bills. I will not negotiate over the full faith and credit of the United States. President obama is continuing his call for been nude focus on gun control. Speaking at the Congressional Black Caucus event, he said supporters of gun control need to get back at it after the Senate Defeat measure to exnd background checks. A Memorial Service for the 12 People Killed by a gunman at the Washington Navy yard last sunday. It up to be a shock to all of us as a nation and people. Us, it oughtbsess to lead to some sort of transformation. That is what happened in other countries when they experienced similar tragedies. In the united kingdom, australia, when just a single mass shooting occurred in those countries, they understood there was nothing ordinary about this kind of carnage. They endured great heartbreak, but they also mobilized and changed. 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Hundreds rallied in the small north dakota town to protest a potential takeover by american nazis. The neonazi leader and his National Socialist movement have voiced plans to move into the city, buy up property, and tried to control the local government. A large rally included contingent of native americans from nearby reservations. Lets keep it peaceful but these rates are the American Peoples, not penalties. We know that White Supremacists do not respect us. They are here in an effort to spread their hate. As much as weback need to be. This is democracy now , democracynow. Org, the war and peace report. Im amy goodman. Today, in a democracy now special, we spend the hour with Alan Rusbridger, editorinchief with the guardian newspaper. They revealed the National Security agency is withholding of thousands of verizon customers. The guardian revealed a source behind the leaks was a National SecurityAgency Contractor named Edward Snowden. Any analyst can target anyone. Where those communications will be picked up depends on the networks and the authorities that that analyst is empowered with. Not everyone has the power to target everything. I certainly have the ability to wiretap anyone, from you, to your accountant, a judge, even the president , if i had a personal email. The guardian has continued to publish notes from edward. Nowden the articles have ignited an International Debate about the nsas activity and the nature of investigative journalism, and the paper has been directly targeted as a result. August, david miranda, partner of Glenn Greenwald, was detained for nine hours and only released after british authorities seized his mobile phone, laptop, and usb thumb drives. Revealed that the government had threatened legal action unless it had destroyed computer hard drives containing data from Edward Snowden. We are now joined by Alan Rusbridger. Did you have trouble coming into the United States . Know, very easily. The rest of your staff . There have been times when they have been comprehensively frisked. Innn greenwald is not risk being moving around at the moment. Do you think he would be arrested if he came back to the u. S. . He is an american citizen. But io not think so, wanted to make the point that we have moved our operations to the United States. First amendment protections should check this kind of reporting. I would certainly hope that somebody who has done the matterng has gotten this into public debate and would not be criminalized for it. The beginningk to of this worldwide expose that your paper has been in the forefront of. How did the story come to you, your decision to print this soon after you receive the information . It is an interesting story about the old world and the new world. We hired Glenn Greenwald, a blogger, who has written knowledgeably, and some would say obsessively about the subject in the last few years. Hawaii, a 29yearold nsa analyst was reading him and was troubled by what he was doing and wanted to find somebody knowledgeable to give this to. He went to glenn, who was then working for the guardian, and that is how it started. Talk about how that started. Edward snowden flies to hong kong. Then your columnist Glenn Greenwald, the filmmaker, another reporter went to hong kong to meet with Edward Snowden. There were two weeks when they were all in the same hotel. Time forrather unreal anyone that has watched it. Agents on the run. It was important for me that there was a guardian reporter in the room along with glenn and laura. Reporter thatish had been with the guardian for years. Very experienced, not easily impressed. Between them, they started to go through this stash of material that snowden had with him. We had to establish that he was who he said he was, the material was what he said it was. At the end of two weeks, we started to publish based on that. To publish what first, what has continued to come out, how was that decided on . We needed some help from snowden on what he thought we should be you reported. These are not documents in which stories show themselves. This is a complex world. A lot is written in acronym, if had to beso we initially guided to some of the stories that would be of most value. It was important for him that the world had some sense of what he was trying to say before he added himself, so we started doing stories about this intersection between silicon valley, telephone companies, and the intelligence agencies. Putting entire populations under surveillance. Snowdenthe week before came out and revealed himself as the whistleblower. Signed upsnowden had for special forces in the u. S. , broke both of his legs in a training accident and then left. How can you confirm his credibility on this . They all spoke to him for a long time. Scottishhere having my reporter was important for me, to make a judgment. We did all of the tests about who he was, that stacked up. He was who he said he was. Worked at booz allen, was a subcontractor with the nsa. Yes, all of that. Talking to him for hours, he rang me up and said i think he is exactly who he says he is. He is not in this for the personal publicity. He will not develop a big media profile. He has these documents and he is giving them to a News Organization hoping that we can use our judgment about what we consider significant. I know you had numerous conversations with reddish intelligence subsequently, but before the first articles came out, was there any contact with american or British Intelligence warning them what was coming . Were allrst stories nsa and they were edited out of new york. We were in touch with the the white house, and we warned them of what we would publish. Helpfulometimes dialogue, sometimes robust dialogue about what we would do, but it was important that we give him a chance to respond and they told us why they should not why they thought we should not publish a few things. There were a few things that were helpful. We did not want to go into this acting irresponsibly or putting agent or operations in jeopardy. Edward snowden also made that a requirement. That people not be exposed. He said you would have to form your own judgment, but i would like people to behave responsibly, not expose agents or ongoing sensitive operations. For instance, afghanistan, iraq. We will be back with Alan Rusbridger. He is the editorinchief for the guardian and the author of a new book. We will be right back. [ ] this is democracy now , democracynow. Org, the war and peace report. Im amy goodman. Our guest is Alan Rusbridger of the guardian newspaper. Britishut when the government called you and said that they wanted your hard drives, they wanted this information. Had two big conversations with the government, one at the end of june, another halfway through july. It became obvious to me that their tone was heartening. They thought the story was out of their control. There came a point where they directly threatened legal action. In the u. K. , the government can stop publication. I do not know that that is possible in the u. S. It wasame a point where obvious we had only two options. Return the material or destroy it. It did not matter much to me because the material was already in america, i have already shared some of it with the new so it would not make a difference in the reporting, but i did not want to get caught up in a legal action. Happened,izarre thing most bizarre in my journalistic career. Two technical people from the Government Telecommunications headquarters, the equivalent of the nsa, came into the guardian, and supervised the destruction of our laptops. You said you would not give it to them but would destroy it on your own . Said we would not give it to them, but there was always the threat hanging in the background of criminal action against the guardian. I do not know what these discs would have told them, and i did not want to give them evidence that could be used against the guardian. Difficult where you have these reporters. I did not want to give it to them. We agreed that we would smash it up. It turns out to be harder to do that in a way that would satisfy them and you would imagine. How did you do it . First, you take it apart, revealed its guts. Now you take the Circuit Board i have a bit here. Macbook hardyour drive looks like after they insist the holes go there and there. You carry this with you . Yes, it is a rather sinister reminder of the intersection of states and journalists. But it is not just the hard drive. You have to destroy the logic board, chips on the trackpad, keyboard. It was rather noisy work. Were othery, there copies of the same information in other countries. I wonder if you could comment on this world now where governments information getting in one country because of our International Information system . It goes back to what we said the intersection of states and journalists. One copy was in rio. Glenn greenwald was difficult to deal with because he is not like some press organization. As we say, there were companies in new york. I think this is two sides of the same coin. Is the are talking about collaboration of intelligence agencies around the world to snoop on a Global Intelligence network. That is what they are doing. Network, thebal internet, is used by all of us to spread information. The thing that makes snooping possible is also what makes it so hard for them to get a piece of information and snuff it out. In your own country, what has been the press coverage of the other competing media in your country, and the reaction of the British Population to all of this international eavesdropping of the nsa and its allied intelligence agencies . It is a story that has part an incredible amount of debate in the u. S. , europe, and other parts of the world. Theas been quite quiet in u. K. , and i am not sure why that is. Maybe for unworthy competitive reasons, i hope not. Memory,ca, in living you have had mccarthy, nixon, who were. In germany, they had the stasi. Maybe in britain we are complacent about the stuff. Arele who read these things worried, but it has not engendered quite the debate as elsewhere. Has the British Government made any deals with the guardian about not to publish certain things . We have not made deals with anybody. We have had conversations where they said, we would rather you not publish anything, but if you do, there is this part that we would consider endangering. Sometimes we would have agreed with that. I want to go to david miranda. Glenn greenwald partner, who was detained by British Government last month at heathrow airport, held for nine hours under british antiterrorism law. He had his belongings seized, including thumb drives which you used for his reporting. After his release, he appeared on cnn with anderson cooper. Did they ask you anything about terrorism . No, not one question about terrorism. I think it is really weird because i was in there for eight hours without talking to anyone outside. I had to ask them, do i have to answer this . They said if you do not, you will go to jail. They said i was under this terrorist law, you know what the u. K. And the United States do. They have all the power in the world. I had seen many stories of people being picked up, brought to different countries, staying in prison, vanished. In that moment, i was really afraid of what would happen to me. I was in there for eight hours without talking to anyone. Kept threatening me about going to jail. That was david miranda. Speaking to the bbc, theresa may said that he was potentially carrying information that was useful. Believe theyice have someone in their possession with information which could help terrorists, which could lead to a loss of life, they could enact the peace act. The white house had acknowledged that british authorities had given them the heads up to detain miranda. They took questions on the issue in august. You talk about the egyptian legal matter, publicly motivated detention. Mr. Greenwald partner, you call it a Law Enforcement action. Do you have any concerns about the uks Law Enforcement . A specific have reaction other than to observe to you that this was an observance made by the British Government, not one with the involvement of the u. S. Government. As far to will not go say that you are concerned. What i am suggesting is this was a decision made by the British Government without the involvement and not at the request of the United States government. Alan rusbridger, can you respond to what the u. S. And British Governments said . And it was one day after miranda was detained that you revealed what happened. Why was that the key moment for you, that you decided you would reveal what would happen to the guardian hard drives . In that significant clip, talking about the British Government taking the decision, which is not his was a post to happen with the law. Act is an its clear terror , which is supposed to be Police Acting randomly in ports and airports. Why it was wrong to use this law , it upheld none of the journalistic rights. They could have arrested miranda under different conditions. It was just a misuse of terror legislation against journalism. To me, that is wrong. If people said that it was the governments decision, then that was even more wrong. You are right to say that ive been revealed about our smashed up discs. There were legitimate reasons at the time which i could not write about. British to see how the government would play this, but it was an apparent point that they would misuse those kinds of laws against reporting. That was the moment to share what else the government had been doing. Aboutould like to ask you the Edward Snowden odyssey since the initial revelation, traveling from hong kong to russia, becoming an international standoff between the United States and russia over whether he would be handed back. Has that complicated your ability to report on this at all . Obviously, the source of your information is not as readily available as he was. I think he knew, and he told us, in leaking this material, that this would be immensely complicating his life, to put it mildly. Either he would be on the run or would end up like Chelsea Manning. Either way, it would be difficult to communicate with him. That he knew that he would end up in russia. Glenn is still in contact with him through encrypted emails. We still have some contact with him. It is a complicated story to report. Assumey be wrong, but we communication will be intercepted. That is part of the story we are writing about, which is why people need to be on plane told the material. It is not an easy story to report. Had,e impact that this has ,uch like the wikileaks reports theseu expect ramifications, the explosiveness it has had in various countries . The bit that is missing about the american debate, the president places great emphasis on the fact that americans do not spy on americans in american territory, as if that was the only thing that mattered. I thought it was interesting that Mark Zuckerberg of facebook said, that is no interest to us if we are building an international business. Americans have not quite understood the anger of other germany,or example, that americans feel free to spy on others around the world. You just have to reverse that and think about it the germans or the chinese were spying on them. Then you get to this further dimension that it appears that with the nsa had done was to weaken the systems under which everything is kept secret. The banking transactions, medical transactions, by building the socalled trapdoors. The cryptologists said that if you could build a trap door that the nsa could get through, so could the chinese, or criminals. So the weakening of the security of the internet has International Implications which are beginning to be felt. Why did you choose to elaborate with the new york and propublica . We had to find american partners. It was clear our reporting would be made very difficult in the u. K. America,ok around there are not limitless options of people who could handle a very big story. Resources, a lot of technical knowledge, legal backup. The New York Times does quote is a great paper with that kind of backup. Example ofis a great a smaller example but also has expertise. Did you want to spread the information around in case your axis was jeopardized . It is prudent and one of the reasons that we went to both, but the more people want you to the more people you have involved, the harder it is to lean on one. Margaret sullivan said that many times readers have been writing to her about a story that the guardian had broken about how the u. S. Routinely shares with Israel Intelligence information that the nsa gathers on american citizens. Can you talk about what you wrote . This is another one of those stories that describes the intersection between american intelligence agencies and what they are paired to share with other governments. We thought it was significant to write about what was being shared with israel, under what. Erms, the terms one of the advantages of going into these collaborations is that the New York Times is free to form its own between your opinion on the material. Their own ombudsman thought of this was something that they should cover. Justtual phone calls, not metadata, but then saying to is really intelligence, you decide what to do with it. We are going to take a break and then come back. We are with Alan Rusbridger, editorinchief of the guardian. We will be right back. Chopin ballade no. 1 in g minor, op 23. Just, Alan Rusbridger, has written a book. How your piano playing, your interest in music, mastering this piece, relates to what you are doing with the guardian. Are is a diary that we working on, wikileaks and phone hacking, but it is also about creativity in midlife. The choices of what we do with our time when we are not working , the value of painting, reading, writing poetry, the sources of creativity that lie within us. I went back to playing the piano later in life. I tried playing this extraordinary piece of music, this chopin ballade. It was taking the stress and , and at out of my life the same time, holding down an editing job. I hope it is a book that will encourage those that gave up the piano or that always wished they could play, that you have time to do these things. To get back to that pressure no are talking about, country, other than the United States, has felt the impact of thanrevelations more so the habsburg zone. Revelations about the nsa spying on an analyst of the president , the people extensively. Your sense of how these onlyations are not affecting world perceptions of the United States, but as you alluded to earlier, the ability of american companies, computer giants, to do business overseas. People are saying, why should i deal with yahoo or google, if the American Government will spy on me . Think,ow some people what is new about that, but it tosurprising the degree which apparently friendly nations are eavesdropping each other, at the state level, cabinet level. 20did the story about the g meeting in london in which the British Government set up a phony internet cafe in which delegates could go and do their email, not knowing that the British Intelligence service was logging in their passwords in order to carry on spying on them when they went home. Most of them were friendly allies. There was no justification of that other than the economic wellbeing of the u. K. These were startling revelations. Brazil is another country. Forets to be a big story American Innovation and business , if the rest of the world comes to associate these companies with forms of surveillance. That will damage american companies. Silicon Valley Companies know this and they are worried. By International Standards which a whole operates also. ,he sense that the internet is in a sense, american, or that the americans should have an overall role. There will be a lot of pushback on that in the future. Gain a shortterm there has already been some pushback in the brazilian president. Around, if weay had discovered that brazil was trying to listen to president obamas records or emails, there would be outrage. You can understand why other were offended by this behavior. Earlier this month in sweden when president obama was on his obama said he0, was working to reassure foreign allies following the revelations around spying. The publics in europe and around the world, that we are not going around snooping and peopless emails or listening to their phone calls. What we are trying to do is target specifically areas of concern. Eu in consulting with the this process, consulting with ,ther countries in this process and finding out from them whether there are areas of specific concern, and trying to a way thate do in alleviates some of the public concerned that people may have. To get your response to that. Also, Glenn Greenwald has a new talking about india being number one target of spying by the nsa. They are in fifth place, with billions of pieces of information plucked from its networks. I had not read that story yet. On the president s reaction, i love this reaction of, just trust us. We cannot tell you, but trust us. And he says the debate would with orpened anyways, without Edward Snowden. The instinct of these agencies will always be to keep things secret and to criminalize those that talk about it. That debate did not come around until Edward Snowden. Who is overseeing this and do you trust them . Dianne feinstein, a great public servant, but does she really understand the details of cryptology, the capabilities ,hich are expanding eventually and can they really match up what the law was intended to do and what engineers are now capable of doing . It is not enough just to say that we trust you. Thingsnow learning from that were troubling than that they never made public. It is a lot to take on trust. Has explodedan onto the scene with an expose of theirf the world and phone hacking which cause the closing of news of the world. Can you talk about that progression to exposing the wikileaks documents, to what you see today . The guardian has done an amazing amount of exposes. It started out in manchester, had been owned by a family trust, so no owner. We make our own editorial positions. We have a high degree of independence. Seems after 2000, a third of our audience was in america, which is why we then moved. A third of our audience of 42 million is now in america. There is an appetite for this kind of reporting. We do not have shareholders saying we want our returns,. Utting budgets it is a bit like when you are doing, keeping an international focus. Most american citizens realize their lives cannot be observed in a purely national context. There are some stories that can only be told internationally. I want to talk about an from nsa director keith alexander. It says, some Media Outlets have sensationalized the leaks of the press that have called into question our motives and has cast doubt on the integrity and commitment of the Extraordinary People that work here at the nsa. It has been discouraging to see how our agency has frequently been portrayed in the news as more of a rogue element than a national treasure. Your response . Obviously, they are alluding to the guardian. We have been careful in our reporting. Intelligence chiefs have acknowledge that we have been responsible. Wouldunderstand why you write a letter like that. We are not necessarily saying that everyone that works at the nsa are bad people. Incredible capable of incredible things, but we need to have a wider debate. There are other International Concerns like reporting and privacy, which need to be weighed against security. If you are writing this, you are not saying the nsa is full of bad people. That would be silly. I understand the need for this. We mentioned earlier your involvement with the wikileaks scandal. Of julian assange, england, in england, inattention, effectively, and your sense about his role bringing out these secrets that the u. S. Military and government was preventing from citizens . He had a good and simple idea, liberating material. What we try to do there is what we are trying to do here. Wrote our reporting on the american first amendment. Even in the u. K. , this reporting would have been impossible. America should take pride in that, that you have this written constitution that encourages this kind of reporting. Thought about how much we would welcome whistleblowers from your and or china or russia , if we could find out the kind of hinge by which this into a it could be safely leaked and protected by the highest standards of free speech, that would be a good thing. A went a bit wrong with ssange, sort of out of action in the ecuadoran embassy. Although he did help Edward Snowden ultimately get to russia. He has not been able to operate as effectively as he could have. That does not mean that the idea was wrong. Why i think, for me as an outsider, when i see Chelsea Manning being given a 60 year sentence, you think, what kind of signal does that show whistleblowers . If we had someone inside the Iranian Nuclear facility, or in china, we would welcome tha it is about universal standards for human rights. You have to be careful to observe those, not to bend them, start using terror legislation against journalism. Do you think journalism is threatened . Certainly by massive surveillance. It is impossible to have confidential sources. Alan rusbridger, thank you for being with us. Editor in chief of the guardian. He will be speaking on wednesday evening at the new york public library. Democracy now is looking for feedback from people who appreciate the closed captioning. Email your comments to outreach democracynow. Org or mail them to democracy now p. O. Box 693 new york, new york 10013. Tavis good evening. From los angeles, i am tavis smiley. Tonight, a conversation with james cromwell. He is now starring in a highly praised new movie. Before we get to that conversation, this is our 10th anniversary on pbs. When introduced you to people who make this program possible. Is brian anderson, he is my stage manager. He attempts to do that. I am honored to have you on our team. 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