Transcripts For WHUT Charlie Rose 20130813

Standup show in Comedy Central n his fourth season, im pleased to have him here at this table for the first time, bell come. Nice to you have here. Thank you, mr. Rose t is a pleasure to be with you. Rose okay, stop that, mr. Rose. So the expectations of doing this. Yes. Rose in comparison to doing it. Right, of doing jon stewart, of doing jon stewart badly. Rose well, no, just doing it well get to badly later. Okay, i appreciate that. No, the expectation, i knew it would be terrifying. And it did not disappoint. And i wasnt sure it would be quite as much fun as its been. Its been a huge amount of fun. Rose what makes it fun . Well, because you get to ive worked on this show for 7 years so its like being a kind of nascar pit crew member. I know how the engine works but ive never got to drive it before. Only when you drive it dow learn how fast goes. Rose and you also realize it is a finely tuned machine. It is amazing. The show is an amazing machine. And a machine that jon has very strategically and int ri catly built himself. He has taught almost everyone in that building how to dot particular version of their job they do so skillfully. So yeah t was its been im even more impressed with the whole machine now than i was before i got the perspective of looking at it. Rose it raise the question though, they finely tuned it for him. And then theyre dropping you in to a machine that was finely tuned for him. Well, he finely tuned it for him. It is built he has built this thing over, you know, a decade and a half, which can be did. Rose has it been that long. It has been that long, i know. Its been awhile. So yeah, my real, my main responsibility was not to destroy that machine in three months. That was the main responsibility. You go no, i guess it showed how well the Machine Works that hes built. If you can have someone who does not have his skill sets, run it, and not crash it. Rose what skill sets does very that you dont have . Well, almost all of them higher than me. Almost everything plus 50 . Rose sow has better timing than you . I think thats probably objectively true. I mean hes very good at the things that probably you dont see that hes great at. Obviously hes very funny when you see him perform the show. Rose likewise are you. I appreciate that. But really its skill is everything that happens before then. Performing the show is a bit of fun at the end of the day or, you know, its not always fun. Sometimes its painful. But the day is making that show that you put in the prompter. Rose as finely tuned as you can possibly make it. As you can. And it wont always be as finely tuned as you want it to be. You will literally run out of time. But as a manager he is spectacular. He is absolutely spectacular. And so sitting in those shoes, i have even more respect for what hes able to do in overseeing the whole show. He is the managing editor. Hes everything. I mean he has fingers in every part of the show. He took himself describes it as a creative dictatorship. So every one on the show contributes but he is overseeing everything. You know, hes in with us at the start of the day and he usually leaves after weve all left. Walk us through the day. Behind the scenes of the daily show. You get there at whatever time and start the first meeting at whatever time. So like 9 00 in the morning we have a writers meeting. So that will be discussing what were going to do on the show that day. Now hopefully we will have a basic sense of that, especially if its a tuesday, wednesday or thursday from the previous afternoon, to try and get a little bit ahead. So Studio Production who have already been in before that writers meeting will bring up clips that they think would be useful, funny, good to juxtapose. And so from that discussion which should take about 45 minutes,. If it takes much longer than that were already sowing the seeds of trouble which will bloom into a disaster later. So people are sent away to do the single parts of the script or two people work on one thing. They need to come in, in about about an hour, hour and 15 minutes. Thats the most frantic point of the day where you are looking at a blank screen and churning out jokes and ideas for jon to look at. He will then give you notes on those, go back, redraft, possibly that will repeat itself once or twice more during the day. Well rehearse at 4 15. That is literally just talking to an empty room, you know, comedy is great in an empty room. And then there will be another rewrite between rehearsal and the show. And thats it. But what you can you can rewrite jokes quickly. Jokes arent that easy to write. Arent that hard to write, especially when you have people around you that are funny. What you cant do in that time of the day is completely redo the structure so the point of view of the fact has to be in place. That would be the hardest thing. Is finding the narrative. Because you can rewrite jokes up to the last moment. You can even make, change them on the fly. What you cant do is change the spine of the show. If you mess that spine up, you are in big trouble. Rose thats a Group Decision . Figuring out what the spine is, with writers and with jon and everybody. It is a creative dictato dictatorship. People put in and jon will. Rose what do you think. Yeah, and jon drives it. Rose the dumbest idea i have ever horde. Or he will try to reframe it is aing that is a great idea for another dimension where we do that. Lets do this instead. And yeah, ten times, hes usually right. Rose the hardest thing for to you do has been what, the interviews or what . It was initially. Because as you can tell from the australian piece, my training in interviews is relatively inhumane. You know, its to. Rose to make fun. Its to attack, or, you know, to certainly make fun of. And so it having a human conversation is not something ive had any training in either as a comedian or as, you know, a human being. Im british so human conversations are not something we excel in. We like to repress what you are talking about and we that is why you love downton abbey. Everyone is talk around what they actually think. So having a six minute conversation about the thing you actually want to talk about is very, very jarring to me. Rose but dont you like it . Ive learned to like it, yeah. Ive learned to. Rose because watching you, you have the impression which is very good s that the conversation could continue. And you sometime does for the web. But it is the notion that youre getting a chance to do things in which you simply can explore your curiosity and dow not have to go for the jugular at every other second. And you know thats the thing. There is a crunch of time at work. So there is a sense where you have to go for the jugular or for the point fast. There is not much room to breathe in those. You are trying to get as many things and as many jokes as possible into one place where. As in a discussion with, you know, whoever, senator gillebrand who was last thursday, you request have a more you can let the thing breathe a bit more. Rose David Letterman at this table once said to me, you know, i would love to do what you do. The way you do it because you done have to have a laugh every minute. Right. Rose and i have to find a laugh every minute. Yeah. Rose with some exceptions. Yeah, thats right. But also, he has he has a contempt which is earned. So he can he can sit in front of an actor who he demonstrably has no interest in and whose movie he clearly has not seen, and he can make fun of them and thats fine. Because hes earned that over decades. Rose yate, right. I cant do that. Thats another level of obnoxiousness. Rose an unearned exactly. You cant do that. So i would like to be able to sit back like letterman and says this seems bad this movie, and i admire your vig never selling it but its to the going to work. Rose how do you approach it when you know the movie, dont like the movie or the performance of the person sitting in front of you . I have been quite lucky because most of the movies have been at least tolerable and up from there. Otherwise you try and find Something Else to talk about. Rose exactly. I asked you about all of this before i started, remember. And i was looking, that was the thing that was most concerning me so you got to help me. Whats your rip cord. Rose thats exactly right. I wanted you to say, remember your father to me. I havent had to use that yet which shows its been all right. Remember your father to me. That was going to be mitel for. Rose im embarrassed you told that. Its true. Because it makes people go into memory. Yeah. Well, so, ive tried that a couple of times. Like ive found out something about them of a more personal nature or something that i thought that we shared. And we can try and talk about that to run out the clock. Rose so you have been doing this for the summer. Yeah. Rose you have from now until september 1st. The reviews are fantastic, without exception, i have not seen anybody, let me just say. Without exception you have not been on the internet then. No, i have not, no, i have not. You will find exceptions there. Rose you mean comments or actual reviews. Either way. Anyone could write a review. Rose comments say everything. Sure. Rose you know, its just but i have seen people like the guardian. Right. Rose that may have come from a profile as well but theyre saying, you know, two things. One they say, hes just step mood this job, its great, its different from jon but its greatment then they say you are the heir to this show or they ought to give you a show. They say everything. Oh, thats nice. Rose dont read it, do in the read it. Im not. Ive kept well away from all of that. Anything around it, those are the many things that jon was helpful about, before he was just try and ignore the Ripple Effect of the show. You want to try and ignore that as much as possible. Because it becomes annoying. Like you will have even the conversation i had with senator gillebrand. I saw a couple of things after the fact which was perfect example of him being correctedly warning me, he describes it as oh, attacks. Eviscerates, the daily show goes after and it really wasnt, you know, that kind of hyperbole does no one any favors. And its so annoying because it feels like its recontextualizing what was really supposed to be a polite, you know, probing interview, or interview in the old. Rose when i saw you do that i said hey, well done. Because you said to her, you were talking about the fact that she was the number one recipient of money from wall street and Goldman Sachs and others. And you said, i thought brilliantly, what did they get for that . Explain to me. But thats just, on a human level, it is not a very awful question. Thats what i want to know. That was my curiosity. She evaded it because shes brilliant at evasion. And i like her. I just thought it might be more interesting to its easy i think i said to her, its today have that conversation with someone that you naturally distrust but its harder and perhaps more interesting with someone who you admire. Because, her being compromised not nay criminal sense but just financially compromised, you feel, is interesting for me to talk about. And she you know, she was expertly got around that point. Rose by not answering the question. Right. Rose yeah, do you think after this summers guest hosting we all pretty much know your politics . S. I dont know. Rose but i mean in terms of the questions, in terms of the people you like, in terms of the people you admire, you come away with a sense of where you are in terms of sort of big policy questions. Probably. I mean does it matter . Rose it doesnt matter at all. I dont think my opinion really matters at all. F its not that it matters but do you in a sense of this, do you get a sense of where that person is in terms of some there have been maybe. There have been definitely the stranger momentses of the summer, weve been lucky because the summer is ibmly as you know, slow. And weve had, a right track, sprinkles, gay marriage, royal baby. Rose so its not slow. No, its been nasdaq, nsa, Anthony Weiner, incredibly ridiculous. Rose the gift that keeps giving. Thats right, which cannot not give. Rose yes. But there were momentsment like two shows in particular, a pretty hard to navigate when its feelings of complete despair. The Trayvon Martin verdict i felt personally very, you know, its very difficult. Theres a lot of emotion. And even more so i felt that was the first time i really felt johns absence. We the jury find George Zimmerman not guilty. Holy fuuch. So hes innocent 1234 wait, what . How could that possible you you have got to be theres no i cant even oh my god laughter which i guess is what well call tonights segment. laughter because that feels about right. That feels in your heart about right. The audience often looked to jon to make them, to help them articulate very complicated, painful feelings. And Something Like the Trayvon Martin verdict would be a moment where i could feel in the audience people are looking to jon. Theyre not looking to me. What they want is jon. So i felt a lot of weight on my chest that day of having to try as responsibleably and humorously as i can to help people through very complicated feelings. Rose im reminded of the time you said we will have for you this summer everything you love about the show except the thing you love the most. Yeah, exactly. Its the show is going to be the same, just the reason to watch it is gone. So thats what this summer has been, yeah. You just sometimes you just feel wow, its like people opening a present and thinking thats not the bike i wanted. Rose i did want a bike. I wanted a bike. And i get that that has two wheels. But its not as good. Rose no, and the color sucks. Exactly. That is how it feels, kind of children are forced, oh, no, grandma. Rose i know. This was not it. Rose i love this, i need this, but no. I wanted this so badly and you have not given it. Rose what about those people who say the daily show ought to be called the daily writers, that this is a show that writers have played a huge role in defining. That in no way takes anything away from jon or you. But it is writers who have given it Something Special because theyre so good. We have great writers, theres no doubt about that. And jon is the head you know, not the head writer but he is over the head. Rose definitely. Jon is you know, the uber writer. But it is a huge it is collaborative beyond just the writing. Our Studio Production, all the clips, montages. Rose where do its clips come from. How many people do you have in the basement . That basement, that shadowy basement is you know, one of the engines of the show. Rose a big engine. A big engine, so it isnt the writing is great. But the writing comes from somewhere. So it is a more collaborative model than perhaps a traditional structure of a television show. Rose it is the nonhuman genius of the show. Yes. Rose so we used we used to just have a stack of tivos recording everything. And then people watching it like clockwork orange, just having to. Rose so you used to have that, what do you have now . Now there are programs that are a little easier. You can type in key words, lexisnexis style rr give you all the clips on that subject. Will give the clips so you can type in a phrase and it will. Rose amazing. Yeah so, that has definitely eased the day and certainly means that we can work quicker. I was there in the days of the tivo. That was a little thats when are you the questioning getting people from the basement saying ive seen thing us wouldnt believe. It all get its a little deregueur down there. Rose when they find Something Sweet its like youve got too see this. It pretty much it is, there are definitely moments, we have one tonight where you go orbltion that is that is. Rose that was so sweet. Exactly so i dont know, once every few weeks you get something, which even bring you up like a gift, saying dont eat this at once, like its like a fine meal, just sit back, cleanse your palate before you watch this and then there are moments. Rose you cant believe that whofer said that, said that. Yes. Rose and just say thank you. Yes, exactly. Thank you, thank you. Rose we love you because youve given us something. This is a great gift. Rose this is a great gift. And please know that we are going to enjoy it. Rose Anthony Weiner does some of that too. Anthony wien certificate like a different kind of joy roller coaster. The really satisfying things are if you get the perfect juxtaposition. So you know, we have tonight we have Chris Matthews saying, senator rand paul is going to be the republican nominee. Look, i do this for a living. Thats where he stops. So then you say, well, do we have other examples of him getting predictions wrong because thats what we do for a living. And so yes they very much came upstairs and said uhhuh, here. How does Rudy Giuliani will be the next president of the United States sound. You go that sounds. Rose you dont have him saying yes, yes, yes. Rose coming right after he said rand paul. That is tonight that is literally what im looking forward to tonight. Im looking forward to the air between saying this is what we do for a living and that clip starting to roll. Thats split second is what i wish coy live in that air forever. Rose dow kiss it off by saying, this is what we do for a living. Of course, of course, of course. Rose its irresistable. Of course, because that is perfect that is when they come upstairs with a clip and you just want to hug them and say thank you, thank you. Rose double his salary. Thats right. Quadruplele that salry. Please more. Because there is addictive, its like heroin there just a gateway drug, now i want Something Else. Rose it is absolutely true. Now so what did they do anything all these brilliant people because you were in the chair and jon wasnt . Did we change anything. Rose anything. Theres not much reference to your nationality s it . Not really. Because you can, you know. Rose if you dont know that. Yeah, exactly. That becomes sonically obvious. And for stories like the royal baby, that plays in. But that would run its course. cheers and applause thats right. It was a boy. And finally we have a member of the royal family with an actual excuse for being a toothless petulant useless human being. laughter that one could get me into trouble back home. This boys ent rance into the world came with so much pomp and circumstance its hard for it not to seem like a royal blooup blooup you to the other 370,000 babies born that day. We believe the announcement now being put on the ease el, yes, in fact, it is there. It is now being chained into the famous golden ease el in front of buckham palace. Ooh, the golden ease el. Dont look directly at it, youll make it dirty with your peasant eyes. Incidentally, when there is not a royal birth announcement that ease sell traditionally used to hold the nude portrait of the queen. laughter cheers and applause i think legally i can still be killed for that. Theres only so many times you can play that card before it gets pretty lazy. So no the day, basically, that is why i said ats going to be everything you love about the daily show without the thing you love the most about it. Because the day has to function the same way. Because there is a momentum of the machine to the day that you need theres a reason why jon has built it this way. Because its the most efficient way. So the way we process the information and the bile, the sauceage factory we created make that palatable sausage from disgusting ingredients, that stays, that r8 has to stay the same. Theres no shall did theres not time enough in the day to do it a fundamentally different way. Rose so the idea of showing where jon is every day, so to speak. Yeah. Rose whose idea . I cant remember. Rose a writer, producer, somebody. I cant i cant remember. I mean you tend to like ownership over jokes becomes, everything gets rewritten and rewritten so many times its hard to pin down. Im not sure who that was. But i liked the idea of it because its jons show. Now i liked the idea of thinking about him at the start of the show, you know, like you dont want to change that, this is his show. This is im driving his car. This is not my car. Im just driving the a beautiful car for a bit and ill throw the keys back at him. Rose and you had all the other correspondents, you, how long have been on this show, i have been on how many years. Right. Rose why him, for goodness sakes. It felt like in the first show there was going to be an important catharsis, one to acknowledge, at the start how strange, how physically strange it is to have the camera go in and not have the man you love it up there, have a different man, a different bike, that you are disappointed by, and the other thing was to have, basically have the corcovers in beautiful escalation. Rose we share the same feeling. Saying we hate you. Rose you whos the wrong guy, you could have gotten m, oi. And having ever sowinged seed saying this summer is going to be a does as ter. Point teg elephant in the room saying we all know is there. Well try and not make this a disaster but the elephant is there and we all see it, yeah. Rose when you joined, how did you gets to the daily snow. I was working. I was writing in england. And they always were looking for people. Rose theyve got scouts all over the place. Thats right. There is a hot one in liverpool. Look at you, kid, im going to make you a basic cable star. Its not going to be worth that much money. Rose you have a future in america. Yeah. They were looking for someone and i think ricky gervais. Rose thats what i heard. I think jon had asked him when they were promoting the book in london if they knew of anyone. I had never met him at that point. But he knew. Kind of stuff i was writing so it all happened very quickly after that. I came over here. And. Rose did a piece or standup. I did a piece, ilanned a sunday night and i was on the show monday. Yeah, and i had never been to america before. Rose first time you had ever been to america. Yeah is so it was it moved fast, to the point that my stuff is still in storeage in london, thats how fast moves. So there is a time capsule of my previous life in south london. Rose what were you doing in london. I was doing staun, i was writing comedy for various tv shows and watching the daily show because i loved that was for me the High Standard of satire and political comedy on television. That is what i wanted to do in england. And it was very difficult. And i was not, my intention was not to join the thing i loved. Rose what is interesting, and i think a lot of people would agree with that, is that we often thought that the best, the best of is a tire had to be in london, for a long time, way back to that were the week that was. That might have been true then, yeah. Rose with peter cook. Peter cook was, absolutely. You talk about beyond the fringe, peter cook, jonathan miller, all of those guise. That probably was the High Standard at that point. But what jon has done over the last surprising decade and a half, i think, i think he has the baton at the moment of this is as good as satire gets. Rose not only that, he has created because of what he does and what the daily show is, other daily shows in different countries. Right, yeah, absolutely. Sammiousev in egypt. He will openly say that jon stewart is his hero, and the standard by which he judges himself. So yeah, he in egypt who has to live with the consequences of decisions making jokes it is not just audience silence, but sometimes being arrested. So yeah, its its jomark of comedy. So all the attention does not in the least make you take anything for granted . I have been throwing it in since 1998. Rose it works y stop. You know, you dont take things for granted. Rose and you work as hard today as did you when you began. Probably harder. Well, hopefully harder, because hopefully weve gotten better at what we do, which means were able to synthesize more material and take larger chances. And so once you establish a rhythm of how you do the show, you have to work harder to evolve it and to constantly try and improve it and ultimately what will happen is our voice will become somewhat tired and somewhat redundant and predictable and that will be that. And 20 years from now well all meet on a panel telecom dee festival and well be real old and the new comedy satire guy will interview us for a little segment on hbo. Which by then will be tv, you know, even though its not tv now. And that will be that. But thats not the measure of your life. And thats not the measure of it is to be proud of what youre doing and to work with people that you enis enjoy working with for as long as you can do it. Rose when you came here, who did you look to for inspiration. I mean somebody like some other correspondent like stephen or i like stephen very much. I like rob corddry a lot because he was very silly. And so i watched their pieces a lot. And then i watched i watched lots of stephens unedited tapes. So you could see him sit down with someone for an hour and a half and you could see how fence it was in that roomment and you could see what he was trying to do. And so i watched those quite religiously for the first few weeks because i wanted to see how you dealt with the tension in that room. And how you got what you needed from the story. And how focused you needed to be. So that was quite instructive. Rose i found out here having done this for 20 plus years. No, come on now, come on, come on, 30, lets be honest. Rose okay. I wish, i will be here, i will be here in 30. Ups get 30. Youll get going at 30. Rose your gold coin that is what they will give me, a watch, maybe. Maybe a watch with just a hand saying its time. Its time to go. Rose goodbye. Yeah. Rose you can go to london and have a good time. Right. Rose do the mu seeps, whatever you like. So what is interesting to me about it is that when yo you watching it and watching what all of your doing t is that all artists that i have interviewed at this table study each other. Painters will tell you, they go to the museum and theyre looking at just what you said did you with stephen. You know, how did they do that brush stroke or why did they choose that color, or she, whatever, musicians listen other musicians. You know. For sure. I watched jon pretty intricately, borderline creepily for seven years. Rose but certainly clinically. No, because i want to see moments of the day, moments of the day, what decisions he makes and why he makes them. And. Rose not because you want to sit in the chair. No, no, because i wanted i want to learn what is going through his head. Because hes working at a different level. Hes in a different universe of skill. And it was the same with stephen. I wanted to watch how he was getting to decision. Not necessarily to copy the decisions. Rose exactly. But to understand how it had got there. So yeah, its often the case withstandup comedy. You, i like watching other standups because it makes you it challenges what you are doing and sometimes it will make you think oh, god, i need to work a lot harder. You watch louis ck and you think i need to get better. Because that is an embarrassing comparison. Rose thats good for you t keeps you hungry. Of course its good, its close to. Rose i am not even close to being the moment you start feeling comfortable, are you going to start your learning curve will get significantly flatter. So you want someone to embarrass you into performing better. Rose is it different, is it a different or better training either way if you came from improve, stephen, standup, you and jon. Yeah, it is definitely different. And you can definitely feel a slight instinct to do things a different way. Im very much of jons school. I like constructing jokes and projecting them. The whole friendliness of improv is not something that shall did i come from a background in comedy which is competitive, it is you versus the audience. Not not the improv which is lets all we can do this together. Its my fall by im to the going to cop to that. Im not going to admit it. Rose i really wasnt good but i wont admit it. Theyre definitely different backgrounds. And so that is there is a key difference there between jon an stephen. Rose you said once you have to kill the thing inside of you that is holding you back. Kill the thing inside of you that is holding you back. Turn off the human side. Yeah. Well, that is true of field pieces in particular. Because you can have to say things that are to the going to be fun in the moments. Rose looking for a reaction. Looking for a reaction. Looking for an honest reaction. But to not do it is to sit through an edit for two weeks afterwards where all are you thinking is why didnt i say that thing. So in the in the gun control piece, so i had to sit down with the exprime minister john howard there. Relatively significant, statesman, i say relatively because hes australian, so you know. Rose yes. But i knew, i was going to have to physically embody the try dense of the Pro Gun Movement in america. And i was going to have to project that at him to get an honest response from him. So you want someone to be visibly shocked by how dogmatic that point of view is. Now the theory of that seems fine until youre sitting down with an exworld leader and you are about to speak to him in a way that hes not used to being spoken to. But you cant prep him beforehand because then it becomes too comfortable. You want him to be as angry with you as he should be, after what you have said. And you are saying something that someone else has said and are you channeling that through. So thats not theres nothing pleasant about that. But if you flip that switch in your soul, you get what you need. And then you either flick it on afterwards over leave it off. Rose you flick off the switch that says it needs to be pleasant. Yeah, because if it is pleasant you probably have got a problem. Rose its not comedic. It wont be comedic. It wont read as real. What we were saying to him in the australian piece is that his gun control scheme was a failure. He shouldnt have done t and he was an idiot to try. Rose because hes no long never politics. Right, exactly. So what you need that is an offensive thing to say. So you need to get the emotions, you need someone to be offend. So you have to offend him. Rose and what does it do afterwards, after you finish the piece and are getting ready to walk off. Jon, so that was rob borebich, the governor of queensland, john howard was not that thrilled. Because you know, you can you can try and reassure him by saying look, this is shades of irony at work here. Your scheme is going to be, im embodying an idiot. You can you can try that as much as you can. He was pretty annoyed. Now when he saw the piece in the end, i have heard through various channels, he was pleased. I dont really care but he was pleased. But no, in that moment, yeah, sometimes, the last thing i want is to stop the interview because that is when the camera comes down, all of a sudden you are sort of so, what was that about. You go i dont know. Ive got to go. Ive got to go. Rose my plane is leaving. Exactly. Those are the bad bits. Rose yeah. And what did gille brand say to you after you had done that, what you basically said to her. Wall street is buying you. What are they getting . She was fine. I hope she was fine. Because i dont think there was. Rose she said how great you were and just get tougher. Right. I mean, yeah, i guess it was tough. It was just a question. It was just a question. It wasnt a got you. Shes not its not like shes openly, thats easily available information. Rose being who you are and what its done with you and for you and how great it is, would you like doing Something Like i do . You know . No, for real . Rose yeah. No, no, no. I like jokes. No, no i couldnt do this. Im not qualified do what you do. Rose yeah, you are. No, im not, no, no, im not. Im not qualified to sit down with a world leader and have a broad ranging discussion about the issues of the day. Because there are instincts that i have that are inappropriate in that scenario. I cant shut them down. I couldnt shut them down when i was in a class room at 8 years old, i certainly cant do it now. Rose so when you decide you wanted to be a comedian, if you make a decision like that, what did your parents who were teachers what did they say . They were here comes the parents thing. Rose i should never have told you thatness i see the tell. Rose it wasnt that. No, no, no. They were i think they were its hard for them to watch. My mom doesnt love seeing me behave that way. She doesnt love to see it. Rose what would she like. Well, she would like me to be a nice boy. Rose how about jon who gets everybody to laugh, thats great. Yeah, i know but. Rose shows you how popular my john is. She doesnt care about that she has never called me johnnie. That is a level of affection and friendlies than british people dont have. She calls me mr. Oliver. No, i think its hard for them. Its hard for them to watch a side of you which is aggressive. Rose oh, really. I think so. Because even though that aggression is earned and sometimes its for a particular reason, she would often say i dont like watching those interviews. Youre too nasty to people. I dont even want to. Rose its comedy, poll. Its not funny to her. Comedy. Rose then you failed if its not funny to her. I remember the first time the first time they came to new york, they, someone came up to me on the street and said oh, youre so funny. And she was she got into an argument with this girl. She was going hes not that funny. Why do you think that. Mom this is not how this is supposed to go. She is like i just want to know why she thinks youre funny because youve never been that funny. I think they like you too much. She goes what are you doing. Youre my krypton identity now. Rose you are making a mistake in like you. So this poor girl didnt know what she was getting into, this british mom saying why do you like my son. Rose i promise you im to the doing what i i promise you. But tell me about the time when your dad who loves soccer, you call it football. Football. Rose i know dourx i know its football but i would read interviews in which you would talk about soccer. Yeah. Thats just because i have to. Rose to make it palatable to an american audience. I just need people top understand what i am talking about. Rose but you would never say that. No, but that is a death wish. The word soccer, im thinking of the word football and thinking of american ears inability to. Rose to transcend that their football is not our football and ou football is not their football. Theyre not getting angry, then its just giving up so im saying soccer. Rose but your dad loved it. And you saw an emotion from him. Absolutely loved it. He is not a very tactile guy. It was the only time, i remember the first time i remember a hug from him was watching liverpool play and they scored. And he hugged me and you think oh, thats huh,. Rose it was football. Exactly. But was it about football, yeah, probably. But yeah, no, i think british. Rose you were nearby. Exactly it was me or a couch. Rose thats right. I think british people tend to be so repressed that we channel things. We channel our emotions like kind of emotional volume can owes. We challenge them into controllable moments like football matches or royal funerals. Chose are the moments we will express anything. Rose do you think about becoming a naturallized citizen . Maybe. Ive got a green card. Rose i know dow. A nice ceremony they gave you back at Comedy Central. They did. And it was important to me. I got married to an american, but it was important to me that it may sound strange but it was important that i got it before i got married. Because it was very, very stressful living here on a visa, very stressful. And i wanted to stay. And the longer i stayed the more i loved it here, and the more you feel how ruthless you actually are, that it could be gone in a second. It could be gone. So i really wanted to kind of be wanted here. The official recognition of the u. S. Immigration service to say youre okay, kid. Rose thats right, youre good fluff for us, come on in. So it was only on getting that green card that i realized hi actually thought about it every day. Rose is it true that some immigration official said to you, we dont like anybody making fun of us. That was when i was down to 12 month visas so that meant every year i had to go to long gone, debt get out of the country, to the embassy and talk to an official. With all the help from the viacom lawyers they would basically say just try and get someone with a friendly face who looks like theyre having a good day there is a lot of power in that middle magazine. So i walked up to the cubicle and this woman with an ashen face said give me one reason why i should let you back in my country to insult my president. And my blood ran cold. I felt my life in america dissolve on to the floor. And i said, i dont really see it that way. Im just kidding she said im just kidding. I love the show. She did not get the huge laugh from me i was looking for. What she got was oh, i get those are high stakes are you playing with there. Okay. Because i i just saw my dream die. Rose what are the circumstances that would make you decide to go ahead and become a naturallized american citizen. I would need to be here longer. Im not eligible. Rose but you want to do it. I think so i would like to. I would like to vote. At the moment im enduring taxation without representation, charlie. Now i get it. Now i get how annoying that is. Rose we fight over thatment. Now i finally get it. Rose you mentioned your wife. Tell me about your wife. Because i had never knew about this until Kristen Gillebrand mentioned it in the interview. Its truchlt i hadnt intend. Hi been talking about it backstage. So my wife was a combat medic in iraq in the u. S. Army with first calf allry. So yes, we have we are an off match. Rose tell me how you met her. We met because she was at both conventions back in 2008. And i was getting chased by security because i couldnt get arrested because i was on a visa. You get arrested you are gone, one arrest youre gone. So i was literally running from security because we were shooting somewhere we were not supposed to be shooting. And these army guys hid us. And yes, she was she hid us, and then we got talking and then we. Rose you met her again at the democratic convention. Then we emailed back and forth. And then we met up and moved in a few weeks later. She oddz. Rose and got married soon. Yeah. Rose is she still in the army. No, shes out now. Shes in medical school because of this ridiculous situation where none of your credits are transferable in the u. S. Army. Rose are you serious. I cannot even this is so frustrating. We actually tried to do something on the show about it. Rose this is almost as bad, but not, as the fact that veterans arent getting the kind of funding and treatment they should get. It a mess. The va it is a spectacular mess. And its a mess from the outside. From the inside, for me, tangentially being inside it, with my wife t is you want it is easy to ignore because it is so easy to say oh, we want the best for our veterans. Our veterans should get the best. They do to the get the best that is on jifkt. And also the problem is this is not a group of people prone to complain. So it becomes very, very. Rose they dont whine. Easy to ignore. Va hospitals are brutal. To see politicians say we give our veterans the best health care. That is obscene. Rose take back to jon when he takes on that case it is a totally different demeanor though it is not comedic. The point is there is a place that several degrees apart from something that you can be satirical about. He and i have a bit of a trigger with that stuff. With that level of i guess first you might be talking about the that hurt him so yeah, that comes from you know, usually you try and wrap your anger in jokes. Occasionally your and certificate so big that it becomes the you see it peak out a lot more. There is a bill for him was a absolutely months truss injustice. And the va stuff as well is something that we both have found just mind blowingly concerning. Rose how is this going to change your life . Its not. Rose you sure, this summer as sqlon i dont think it is going to change my life. I dont think it is. I think i honestly dont think so thats not really occurred to me. Rose i honestly think so. Really . Rose yes. Why . Rose because, a, because of the show, because youve done it so well. Ah, thanks. Rose well, i mean this is its clear. I said on the air they are thinking about a show for him already. Now i know you will say i have enough shows. I dont think so. I dont i done honestly that is not there might be a time for me to have that mental conversation with myself. But i have been so concerned about not letting jon down this summer. Because of everything hes done for me. The fact that he has told me f i have done this well at all t is seoully down to him. He has taught me how to do this job. So i desperately, desperately did not want to let him down. Thats where the emotional stakes really came from. Its the i dont want to screw this up because hes trusted me with this. And for that trust to be misplaced would be defer stating. Rose he says, i mean he actually loved the show. And as you loved the show and as i loved the show and steven loved the show. Its a great thing to do to be able to have a show that you can shape and fix and change. Yeah. Rose and give wings to. Yeah. There are tough days. There are definitely. Rose whss a tough day. A tough day is when youre having to deal with something where you are having to deal with just poison. Its not some of like finding oh, you didnt well, things like, like the verdict in florida. The Trayvon Martin, the George Zimmerman verdict. Or the fact that on a the other thing that really, really annoyed me over the summer was, was on fox news there were a lot of people talking about the minimum wage and the workers strike. Its so they were so brutal in their complete contempt for fast food workers. And referring to these, you know, minimum wage like these were jobs that you get when are you 16. Rose a guy made that point. One of them made that point wchblts these are not 16 was great. 28 years old with kids. And it just felt like punching down in the worst way. Like really, dislocating your shoulder, are you punching down so hard. Rose exactly. And it felt so contempuous. An weve really not done much about fox news at all this summer. That day, i was so a anything. You were unloading. From the morning meetings. Those morning meetings you are just taking in poison and trying to find a way to distell that into something which is funny and palatable or at leith cathartic at the end of the day. Why havent you done its been so fast. Like theres been theres been so many other things of substance to talk about. Does it seem like just yesterday you started this. Yeah, it does, actually. Its gone quick. Its gone very fast. Because certainly looking the first day that this is weird, isnt it . Looking at september, i felt thats a long way away. And now were not last week and i cant even believe its gone so fast. Rose and you cant imagine how its going to change your life . No, no. Unless now im now youre making me nervous. Have i really not addressed this in any way. Rose no, no, no. Its so did it is, by all, i didnt read every comment on the internet, but i read a lot of the critics. And what theyre saying. And its all it has nothing to do with jon. Its always all praise caesar. But at the same time there is a sense of man, you know, you stepped up and hit a triple if not a home run. Oh, i really appreciate that. I triple. And will you to slide for third. Rose you stretched the double into a triple. The Third Base Coach was saying dont come around. You went in head first and theres maybe an error. The point su are standing at third base. Rose yes, exactly. Youre on. Honestly, i really have not thought beyond just seeing jon when he gets back and saying okay this is what happened. Heres your show back. Am i fired. Piece dont let me be fired. Thats my dream conversation,. Rose or like to say in the hippocratic oath, first do no harm. Believe me that was absolutely full hippocratic oath in the stars this summer, do no harm, do no harm. Have this patient live. Keep this patient alive, yeah. Now is he seeing it at all. Hes been watching some of it, yeah. Hes in the middle east. Does he give you notes. No hes been we talked a lot before he left. He was really generous with the time at a point where he didnt really have much. But yes, so i have emailed him questions. But hes we havent talked about specific shows. Hes just said, i think its weird for him to watch. If its weird for everyone else to watch it must be doubly strange for the man whose. Rose i dont watch when other people sit in the chair. Yeah. I wasnt you just dont watch. Im not a watcher. Yeah. Who sits in for you. Rose you, next time. Thats right, thats it. Thats my new role in america. Im the substitute. I have tear away pants. I come in, welcome charlie rose is off for the summer, director transformer 6. Rose thats right. Who knew that jon stewart was a film director. Yeah. I know. Look this is a passion project for him. Rose passion. Because of the subject. I interviewed the same guy. Used to write for newsweek. Yes, exactly. So tangentsally we are connected to this story, the show because jason jones was in iran. He does this piece,er inteviewer him. The green revolution emerges. He is arrested after weve gone. And this part of his 100 day interrogation, they say you met with an american spy. And jason literally in the joke spy outfit and that is the thing where he was saying no, this is a joke. And they went but there is a supply. And at that point he realized he was in real trouble. Rose dow not want them to think youre a spy. No, no, no, no. And if your defense of this is objectively a ridiculous comedy bit, when that doesnt work, youre in deep trouble. Rose except they make movies about things like this. Right so, he wrote a book. Jon loved the book. And he write screenplay. Rose argo movies like argo. Right, right, right. Exactly. And but yes soess written the screenplay and directing it right now and will come back in a couple of weeks. And it will be done. Its a bold adventure he has been on. Rose is he excited about it. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah, i mean look, hes put in, hes definitely earned the right to do this. Rose if are you were not a comedian, what would you be . Oh boy. A frustrated comedian. A footballer. Rose but you thought about that. I thought, that was plan a. That was plan a. This is plan b. Rose plan a you decided that the athleticism is not here in the sufficient amounts to make me that is the absolutely the nicest way to put it. The athleticism is not here in sufficient amounts. That is a really nice way of having a coach say youre i would have preferred i would purchase preferred if they said john, the athleticism is not here in sufficient amounts it is not to be for you. Rose it was a terrible choice, i should have said there this is not a club in your bag, john. Rose not a club in your bag. So yeah,. Rose you actually thought about it for a moment. I dreamt about it for my childhood. Not just thought about it for a moment. That was all i ever wanted in the world. Rose the other thing that interests me about comedians in general, number one, is you say failure is the best. Definitely. Rose you have to be able to know that people are look at you, wanting them to make them laugh and you have not done that. Yeah, right. You tend to learn more as a stand up you learn more from bad gigs than good gigs because, you know, a good gig is thats what you are supposed to do. A bad gig you actually have to examine what did i do wrong. If i did nothing wrong, then you kind of stand your ground. Do comedian does what you have been suggesting you do, think hard about things and also overthink about things . Overthink. Rose do they really. Yeah, because the problem with being a comedian is you probably have too much time to think about things and yourself. And neither of those things are particularly healthy. So yeah, you definitely overthink. Thats the, one of the negative consequences. You think too much about stuff. Rose thank you for a great summer. Its been a true pleasure, its been fun. Rose john oliver for the hour. Thank you for joining us. Well see you next time. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org this is bbc world news. 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