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Protesters in new york city marched from central park to trump tower. All of this activity picked up as donald trump seems headed towards his partys nomination. Trying to stop that in a more peaceful way is Governor John Kasich of ohio. We spoke with him earlier. Governor, in order for to you get the nomination youd have to win more than 100 of the remaining delegates so how are you going to do it . Well, first of all, nobody is going to have the delegates they need going to the convention. Everyone will fall short. The convention, by the way, is an extension of the political process. So, what will happen is people will go there with certain number of delegates, we will go in to cleveland with momentum. And then delegates are going to consider two things. Number one, who can win in the fall. Im the only one that can. Thats what the polls indicate. Number two, john, really crazy consideration. Like who could actually be president of the United States . I think when they take a look at in ohio, with the job growth, the wage growth, reforming the pentagon, then can understand that i have the crossover appeal i think i will be picked. I dont think is going to get there with delegates that they need to win. Dickerson why shouldnt the person who goes in to the convention if they dont have majority of delegates if theyre well ahead why shouldnt they get the nomination . You know what, its like one of my daughters said. I had an 86 my other friends had less than that so i should get an a. We got rules, you know, sweety, you have to make a 90 to get an a. We have rules as to how many delegates. If you go in way ahead, youre likely to be picked. Whats interesting is in the ten contested republican conventions, you know that the leader going in only got picked three times. Again, john, i have to tell you that who is going to win in the fall . Who is going to beat hillary . These other folks cant win. They cant win ohio. But in addition look at the resume. Look at the record, who actually can fix this country, what can get us moving again both domestically and with Foreign Policy. That should be a consideration now, its not much of one to be honest with you. But when we get to a convention, i was there when Ronald Reagan actually challenged gerald ford. How many people were mad at reagan . His message mattered. He came close, ultimately became one of the greatest president s weve ever had. The convention is a very interesting thing and delegates take things extremely seriously. Let me also tell you, john, if somebody can get the numbers they would win. Theyre not going to get the numbers. Everybody chill out. Dickerson some people suggested you to drop out to get the numbers because ted cruz is closer to that number than you are. He needs 80 of the votes to get it thats not going to happen, john, you know it, i know it. Nobody is calling me directly asking me to drop out. By the way why dont they drop out. Wait a minute, john, why dont they drop out . Im the one that can win in the fall. You know another interesting thing, this party has run around for seven years saying, how is it that we elected a oneterm United States senator to be president who has never had the experience. Whatever happened to that . Remember that . Here is what i would say. I can win in the fall, they cannot. Dickerson you say youre delivering positive message youve stayed away from some of the back and forth, would you not in the pursuit of your nomination not want the help of the stop trump forces, the organized efforts to stop donald trump . You know, john, im not i am not in there for Political Science game or some calculation. Let me just tell you, the people are nervous about their work, their wages, their kids future. Thats what i focus on, responding to that legitimate and i tell them exactly how in washington we had Great Success and balanced the budget and grew jobs. I tell them about the 417,000 people who are now working in ohio who didnt have a job when i became governor. I have people that come to my rallies and thank me for the fact that i have focused on the issue of Mental Illness and drug addition. I dont have time to sit around thinking about this antitrump group or that group. Let me just do my job, okay . Let me just continue to communicate to the public and well see where it all ends up. I think this is a very, very constructive message to the American People because i want you, the American People, you in your living rooms to believe that you can change the world and we need you to do it. Because youll revive the spirit of our country. Dickerson governor, people who are trying to stop donald trump believe that many of the things you just described are impaled by his candidacy that gives him exercise. You think theyre wrong, theyre crazy, they missed something . Let them go you know what is interesting some of those very same people wanted me to get out of the race they wanted to get behind rubio, what happened . Rubios out, im in. If i dont win ohio, guess what, trump is the nominee. I want how they want me to get out . Listen is, these are the same establishment people that have been nighting me my entire political career. You know what, ill tell what you is in my minds eye. The people i grew up with, the people that walk door to door for me. We had people from 22 ohio. They came from all over the country to help because theyre hopeful that together we can raise this country. I dont have time to think about all this political calculation in some back room somewhere, okay, john . Im in the doing it. You have known me long enough to know what you see with me is what you get. End of story. People to help you with the calculation, people with experience. Sure. Dickerson you are thinking about the calculation well, john, look, wait a minute, first of all, the convention is an extension of this process. Of course i want stu spencer and charlie black and v. I. P. Webber and i want tom ridge. Of course i want the former governor of utah. I want them all to help me. What do we think the convention some sort of subject track final. Nothing more than extension of what were doing now. Nobody gets delegates which they wont then well have to work at the convention. I will spend my time convincing them about my electability and my record. If they buy it, great. If they dont, ive done my best. John, im perfectly comfortable with this. Dickerson let me ask you president ial question about Merrick Garland put forward by president for Supreme Court. This could be decision you have to handle. What is your feeling about the colleagues have responded to that nomination from the president . I never thought the president should send it i knew something was going to happen. Frankly ought to all sit down meet with the guy and my feeling is at the end of the day whoever gets elected president should be in a position to be able to pick who they want and the American People will decide by either voting for republican or democrat the make up of the court is. I just think that is a process that can unite us rather than a process that right now continues to divide us. Dickerson somebody talked about unity, would you take a look at mr. Garland when if you were elected president . Well, you know, he received overwhelming support, i think even from senator hatch. Of course wed think about it. The way we do it john, we look at persons record, i want to conservative who is not going to make the law but who will interpret the law. Somebody of high standing, i lows 30 years ago we have a process, ive appointed over 100 judges in ohio including a woman that fortunately i was able to point to the Ohio Supreme Court and weve had good success with our selection. Dickerson Governor John Kasich of ohio thank you. Thank you. Dickerson after we taped that interview yesterday governor kasich said that he would not appoint judge garland to the Supreme Court that his comments were an effort to be polite. Joining us from the campaign trail senator brands is in tucson, arizona. Weve looked at the math here for the contesting go forward and it look like youd have to win almost 60 of the remaining delegates. What is your path to the nomination thats a big number. It is. But i think that the states that are coming up on tuesday we have idaho, utah, arizona, heading out west to washington. We got alaska. We have hawaii. We think that the path forward clearly secretary clinton did very, very well in the deep south. Not a strong area for us but i think as we go forward going to see us doing better and better. I think people are also going to appreciate when they look at the polls that Bernie Sanders does better against donald trump than Hillary Clinton does. In fact in the last nbc poll we were 18 points ahead of donald trump far more so than secretary clinton that will play a factor in the coming states. Dickerson secretary clinton thats not the deep south. Here is the point as you well know. She did. We at the end of the day you look at michigan, illinois, missouri, we come out almost the same in terms of delegates. Dickerson Hillary Clinton than you have. The theory of our campaign of your presidency has been to create a movement, to create momentum to gather people. But she seems to be able to gather more people mind her isnt that a threat to the theory of the no, no, no. Not at all. What youre really talking about she did very well in the deep south. She in muss miss and South Carolina. I wish i didnt have to say this but everything being equal no democrat right now, i hope that changes, is going to win those elections those states in the general election. We have now won nine states. I think in couple of weeks going to see us win more states. I think we head to the west coast which is probably the most proceed depressive part of America Progressive part of america, the grotesque level of income and wealth and equality, National Health care, medicare for all raising the minimum wage, the 15 an hour i think the people in those states really are not going to be voting for establishment politics and establishment economics. They want real change. I think going to do well there. Last month or so been drawing greater contrast with Hillary Clinton, should we continue to see that all the way up through the convention, every sharp attack or distinction that senator sanders draws has potential unsettling things if Hillary Clinton becomes the nominee. Trust me, there is nothing that i am ever going to say about secretary clinton that ive never run a negative ad. You should see some of the negative ads against us from the clinton come pain. Nothing that i will say will compare in any way to what the republicans will say. What an election is about, john, is contrast in ideas. It is differences of opinion. And, yes, Hillary Clinton has moved offer the last ten months much closer to the positions that ive been advocating for 20 or 30 years. History in politics is very different. And i think the people of this councilmember tree deserve to know that. I think the central issue is, if you are secretary clinton and you are taking many millions of dollars through your super pac from wall street, from the drug companies, from the fossil fuel industry, are you really going to be the agent of change in taking on the billionaire class. Taking on wall street. Taking on the big money interests which we need in my view right now. And that is an issue that the voters will have to decide. Dickerson one last tactical question, senator, theres been a report that you might go to the convention and if youre behind in delegates try to flip those superdelegates to win through using the superdelegates is that a strategy you are looking at . The whole concept is superdelegates is problematic. But i would say that in states where we have won by 20, 5 idea for superdelegates to listen to the people in their home state. I just talked to a person the other day who said, you know what, i am going to listen to my state, if my state votes for you, bernie, youre going to have my vote. I think that i would hope that lot of the superdelegates take that factor into consideration. Dickerson that is a strategy youre pursuing . Well, to say to superdelegate banders won your state by 20 or 30 points you might want to listen to your state. I think that is common sense i think superdelegates should do that. Dickerson if they didnt come from state that you won they shouldnt feel compelled to go for you. Well, they have their own decision. They have right to make that decision. I would argue that many of the superdelegates what is most important as it is for me and secretary clinton, by the way, occupies the white house. And if people conclude by the end of this campaign if we have the energy, and its an if, if we win number of states, thats also an if. If that is the factor, appears that i am the stronger candidate against trump i see superdelegates saying, i like Hillary Clinton but i want to win this thing, bernie is our guy. Dickerson all right. Senator sanders thanks for being with us. Thank you, john. Dickerson well be back in a moment. Ring is caring because covering heals faster. For a bandage that moves with you and stays on all day, cover with a bandaid brand flexible fabric adhesive bandage. 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Economic population, race baiting, religious bigotry is the skill that he has formed that is his campaign, that is not conservatism. Ted cruz in my view is a real republican who i often disagree with. Im supporting ted because i think hes the best alternative to donald trump. John kasich is the most electable republican i dont know he has chance to win at the convention because outsider year, and john kasich is an insider and most delegates are looking for outsider. I love john kasich if he stays in this race they dont coordinate the efforts between cruz and kasich, were going to trump. Dickerson you say outsider year, your description of trumps campaign, people are turning up, hes getting the votes. 35 to 40 is probably where hes going to be. Lot of people believe that illegal immigration is a real problem hes playing on the feeds. Most rapist and drug dealers thats correct not. Here is why were losing hispanic vote. Nobody is going to listen to you about your economic plan or your ability to if youre going to deport your grandmother, im in the party of family sam use. I like that. There are 11 million illegal immigrants, 60 have been here a decade. Many have children citizen children and grandchildren. What do you think is going to happen to my republican friends if our position is that were going to take the grandmother of american citizen, member of the military who is illegal. How do we get that person to vote for us if were going to all shes done violate immigration laws. This is why were getting killed. Mr. Trump taken every problem weve had with lis panics and pour gasoline on it. Dickerson what is the gap between republicans who share your view would like to stop donald trump . What is the gap between what they say privately and what theyre willing to do publicly. Were a divided party. We have a lot of angry people who have been told things by senator cruz and others that we could more than we actually could do. Country is in a mess. I can understand being frustrated with illegal immigration. Youre not going to fix it by having a position like mr. Trump that has no chance of getting through the senate. Dickerson what im asking, how many people do you have behind you to stop donald trump because right now hes going past all these efforts. 55 of the Republican Party would like to vote for somebody other than donald trump. Were about to nominate the one person that not only would lose in 2016 but would detroy the i would rather lose without trump than try to win with him. If he wants to lead the party, lead. Dickerson you wont go for him if hes nomination . Ask me later. Im making it clear i think mr. Trump detrois the party that i love as much as i disagree with ted cruz i think hes real republican, nominate conservative judges, will not lois decreal out. Mr. Trump is an interloper and what demagogue. Dickerson youve signed a pledge youd be willing to break that pledge . Im out of the race now. We can lose an election but i dont want us to lose our heart and soul f. We nominate donald trump, given who he is and what he said about immigrants, about muslims, and young women, we will not just lose an election, weve lost the heart and soul of the conservative movement. Thats what is at stake. I hope john kasich is listeningf the most electable candidate. Ted to deny trump 1237 or 1239 not willing to work with ted youre hurting the cause by kasich going to utah making it harder for ted to get 50 . Dickerson the future of the middle east, which is more complicated or the Republican Party . Theres a pathway in the mid east i dont see one right new for the Republican Party in all seriousness. There are lot of issues the country will be dealing with in the future. How you bring the broken and divided country together. If mr. Trump the answer to the problems in the mid east this his Foreign Policy is jibberish. The mid east is a mess. The Republican Party is at Tipping Point here. Were going down one of two roads. The trump road which is destruction of conservatism. Going to reevaluate go down a road a little more optimistic, i think ted cruz and john kasich represent that path. Be less of mess than Republican Party. That is saying hell of a lot. Dickerson very quickly, the constitution is there support for blocking the president s nominee on the Supreme Court . Need to ask president Obama Dickerson all right. Ill have to end it there were running out of time. Figure out that question later, thanks for being here. Sen well be right back. Weve created a new company. One totally focused on whats next for your business. A True Partnership where people, technology and ideas push everyone forward. Accelerating innovation. Accelerating transformation. Accelerating next. Those new glasses . They are. 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But voters across america are already thinking about the prospect of contest between the two of them in the fall. Last week cbs news contributor and republican strategist frank lund talked to group of florida voters who were more likely to support none of the above than either clinton for trump. Lets set the tone for everybody at home. How many of you have a positive impression of donald trump raise none of you. How many of positive impression of Hillary Clinton . Raise your hand. None of you. You must not be happy about this election so far. What is going on . Explain it . Think were losing sight or candidates are losing sight about what is really important to the American People. Thinking more about each other instead of us. I think we all theyre losing track of what theyre trying to achieve. Most troubled by the fact that so many people support hillary and trump. Its shocking to me. None of people i know. They dont like him. They dont like hillary. They are so emotionally driven they act like kids. I think that donald trump is treating this like reality show like mid life crisis. Hes already got the car, already got the plane. Now he wants to buy the presidency, buy the country. Hillary clinton, thats all shes got is Government Service life and shes been banking on entire time. Dickerson more from these florida voters and frank in our next half hour. Price, we can help guide your investments through good times and bad. For over 75 years, our clients have relied on us to bring our best thinking to their investments so in a variety of market conditions. You can feel confident. In our experience. Call a t. Rowe price retirement specialist or your advisor. To see how we can help make the most of your retirement savings. T. Rowe price. Invest with confidence. Theyll always be our babies. So there will be things to keep us up. But tonight johnsons can help with a bedtime routine. Clinically proven to help them fall asleep faster. 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Lets listen to some of their conversation. You dont trust Hillary Clinton . Not at all. You dont trust donald trump . Not at all. How could you be more qualified than Hillary Clinton . She doesnt done anything that make her qualified. United states senator. Im sorry to say first lady. Flip flopper. For me, i see character because people stand on issues can change as we have all seen. Character defines who you are. Not what you do. Titles arent accomplishments. Im going to play for viewers at home that clip that you reacted to then understand why you resented it so much. You talk about leveling with the American People, have you always told the truth . Ive always tried to. Always. Some people are going to call that wiggle room that you just gave yourself. Always tried to i will never lie to you. But thats you know youre asking me to say, have i ever, i dont believe i ever have. What was wrong . You could turn off the sound and still see on her face that she was lying. She was the worst liar i think ive ever seen in my life. She lied about lying. Literally a bottom line decision to what length am i willing to go to keep trump out of the white house. Why do i have to pick lesser of two evils to run the free world. Supposed to be the greatest country on earth right now were being forced to pick the lesser of two evils. All these people keep saying that, theres two Donald Trumps, first off id like president with one personality. But if that other personality is better can we see that, please . He already said hes a chameleon hell be totally different. Even if he changed we would know if that is the real donald trump . Im 46. I have voted in every single election, always for republican i will not vote if its donald trump. How can you not . Because im not bound to my party im bound to my country and to my dog and myself. Country is more important. Because neither candidate is acceptable theyre going to be are going to hope for broker convention. Somebody is going to merge from the convention and have it acceptable, conservative real republican. Great opportunity is what were demonstrating. Theres a great opportunity for someone and that person better come forward fast because if the republican put donald trump and democrats put Hillary Clinton the worst turn out election ever. I have been voting straight republican over 30 years at this point in time i need to be able to look my grandson in the eye and tell him that i voted with principle. I supported a candidate of principle right now we dont have one. Dickerson frank luntz is with us, how hard was it to find rediluted less than 24 hours. There are so many, if you asked me id say about 15 of the electorate right now none of the above. Never been this high this early in the campaign. Democrats versus republicans, some people say false equivalence, yes, people are unhappy with Hillary Clinton, perhaps, but there is absolute terror in the Republican Party. The difference is that its trust. Its integrity with Hillary Clinton and trump its unpredictability both of them are poisonous. You can see the new electorate right now. Each week demonstrations get worse. The rejection of the other side gets worse. Unwillingness to listen and try to decide who is telling the truth and who is best to lead us becomes more and more difficult. Ive never seen so many republicans rejecting the likely nominee. Ive never seen so Many Democrats saying i will not vote for her. This is significant. Dickerson remembering in 08 there were lot of clinton supporters were never going to vote for barack obama. Had that close to 50 . So, give me a sense of how these voters, can they changed . Anything trump or clinton can do . Someone who has got a positive image make it negative than take someone negative image make it positive. Donald trumps case his language, his tone, his demeanor has brought so many people into the Republican Party that dont consider themselves republican but they are voting for him because they believe that he appreciates their anger. But hes losing a greater number of people in the general election and fact the protests work for him in the primary they make him more lickly to win. The until the owel independent, moderate voters dont like this at all. If Hillary Clintons case shes got to be careful because Bernie Sanders voters are so devoted to him, so committed to him. Not because of policy but also because of persona they think hes honest and direct and sincere. This campaign is not going to be about policy between now and just quickly, so, senator cruz versus Hillary Clinton does better in the general election than donald trump . Oh, boy. I think cruz does better because its not just about who they are its also about how they think and plans for the future. Economic policy he has advantage. Social issues, shed have advantage on Foreign Policy is a wash. With donald trump i dont know what hes going to say. You dont know what hes going to say. I dont think donald trump knows what hes going to say. Dickerson frank, thanks so much. Geico motorcycle, dickerson were back with our politics panel. Susan page is Washington Bureau chief at usa today. Reihan salam executive editor of the national review. Ruth marcus is columnist at the washington post. Jonathan martin is National Political correspondent for new york times. Susan i want to start with you where. Is the republican race now as you see it . John kasich told you there have been ten contested conventions only three wept with the front runner. One contested Convention Since we went to modern primary system went with the front runner that was gerald ford in 1976. Like it or not donald trump is likely to be the republican nominee for president that can be really messy convention or can be a relatively smooth convention. But the fact is, he is by far most likely nominee going at this moment. We wont know until california which is last day of voting june 7. California and new jersey two, in california is district by district with possibility of g. O. P. Race coming down to a ted cruz, john kasich, donald trump battle. Heartland of santa monica, marin county. To decide who next g. O. P. Nominee is. Dickerson reihan, if you are not certain about donald trump or your actively trying to work against him where does the smart activity go . Do you get behind kasich, ask kasich to drop out. Kasich has a lot of decent qualities, someone who would farewell in general election hes from the midwest, a big swing state. Also true that it is impossible for him to win and the idea that he is going to be the one coming out of brokered Convention Just defies comprehension. It speaks to level of self dilution, there have been a lot of did he have looksal candidates. Ted cruz is very flawed but what is also true he has very strong consistent position on immigration, one can imagine trump energized going behind along with ted cruz it is very hard to imagine many other republicans pulling that off. And the other difficulty is that conservatives have to move at parallel track which is thinking hard about a minor party race as well doing both of those things at once. Trying to deny trump the nomination while also trying to organize outside of the party if necessary to give conservatives a place to work is going to be really challenging. Dickerson you need third party creation. Ruth, Donald Trumps meeting with Washington Republicans this week, hes talking about phone calls with mitch mccontinental and paul ryan and unity. What about those republicans who are getting there. There are some republicans getting to yes but lot of republicans getting to, omg with donald trump. I think we need to sort of pause and appreciate the pigs flying to have Lindsey Graham endorsing ted cruz have republican establishment which ted cruz has spent his entire time in washington and before. Now, trying to coalesce around ted cruz is remarkable. The trump outreach to the establishment is interesting but what we see with trump is there is kind of one part outreach then two steps of riots. Just behavior and comments that are not acceptable to the republican establishment. One quick thing i find the third party piece, i know you guys wrote about it. Very far fetched. Make it very difficult. One point there it is very difficult to get somebody on balance lot to run as independent which is where what theyre looking at doing is piggybacking. The modern parties, and doing that makes a little bit easier. Its still certainly long ball of the hail mary, if you do it with part dickerson already exist . Thats the other Republican Party . Thats the other challenge, too. You have to convince them that that is what youre doing. What is the goal . Stop trump. Then what happens . Who will not vote for donald trump or simply not going to tush out when you think about ballot races, the Party Apparatus Going Forward not obvious the third party would be vessel for the party to come. Another thing that frank pointed out earlier if you look at young people, 1829 voters they choose Bernie Sanders by wide margin. The Republican Party needs to think around that. Frankly not going to be theres not a strategy that works. Republicans ive talked to off the record, republican officials here in town think theyre going to lose in november. The strategy is way to lose presidency built hold the isnt at, way to lose the white house but not have the party. That is discussion. They are not of one mind of whether ted cruz or donald trump is the smarter bet. If what youre thinking about is post 2016. The gap between what they say privately what theyre willing to do public the gap is vast. But there is way to stop donald trump. The problem is, that they are divided between two candidates trying to stop him. And theres a very familiar divide, the pretrump divide. Establishment and conservative. They cant figure out who should stop him, hard for the folks to get behind ted cruz. Mitt romney and Lindsey Graham trying to make it easier but still very difficult. One of them would say the word endorse within they talked about ted cruz. The state of g. O. P. We have important. Astonishing, right . They are trying to save their party by nominating somebody they assume will lose the presidency. At the same time, i think that the notion i disagree with frank that donald trump would be a less strong candidate against Hillary Clinton and ted cruz. I think that the Clinton Campaign is quite nervous about the prospect of running against donald trump. Because who knows. Because all those down scale white guys, who knows what with ted cruz where hes going what hes going to say you dont know that with donald trump or what voters. I was shocked to see Lindsey Graham, by the way, willing to die on the hill of gang abate style immigration reform. To his credit willing to get behind someone like ted cruz but in creditable to see that position that is rejected by large majority of republicans he is still going to die on that hill. Also larger concerns but what is the right immigration strategy for the future of this country. And that is something that, if the whole effort to stop trump becomes associated what you might call grahammism or ryanism thats an opportunity for ted cruz. Dickerson youre pointing out the contradiction someone who believes in conservation immigration reform, nevertheless being a person who is saying ted cruz should be the nominee. Its a mixed message. Pigs are still in the air here. More to come. Dickerson right. Susan, donald trump said there be would be riots if the nomination were taken from him that was seen as way to incendiary things he right . Both things are right. Its incendiary thing to say not something weve heard them say before. He is right. If donald trump goes to the Convention Just shy of 1237 but having won the most states, half won by far most delegates getting most votes, do you away quietly saying, cruzkasich ticket, no. Theres going to be trouble. I think one of the most disheartening things that weve seen is continuing, escalating vie license at trump rallies by protesters and the much forces against the protesters. I think donald trump should think twice about continuing to fuel that particular fight. Dickerson switch to the Democrats Ask you this question. If people block the road to obama event in 2008 what would the democratic reaction have been to that the way they blocked roads to the trump event . I think you know the answer to your question. And im not id like to say that dickerson which is what . Which is people would democrats would have been outraged at the notion of people blocking access to obama events. And i think that actually there is a role for protests, but there also needs to be space, weve talked about it before with respect to black lives Matter Movement and stopping sanders from speaking. To relay his message as odious as it is and theres appropriate space and time for protesters to disagree with that message without squelching it entirely. Dickerson what is the role for Bernie Sanders Going Forward . Getting lot of media attention, pushing his message, winning delegates where he can go into the convention with the ability to leverage the party toward a more populous orientation. Keep the pressure on her ideologically more than he is. An actual threat to win the race. Dickerson i was struck when senator sanders said, she may have got two million more votes but theyre mostly in the south. He has such a message that will break through that that is why he would do well as president in revolution to more successful than any of us would have predicted six months tag to be clear. Youre right, the math is hard. Hard to see how he gets the nomination. Hillary clinton needs Bernie Sanders on her side. Race after the convention she needs Bernie Sanders to make her case with energizing Younger Voters because he continues to crush her in that demographic. But to care enough about her candidacy to come out vote in november. Watch for Bernie Sanders in the next bit to sharpen his missage against donald trump not as much against Hillary Clinton because he is looking down the road as well. Dickerson last question. How much can the Democrats Use whats happening in the republican race right now in the general election against whoever the nominee is . They can absolutely use it. Particularly Hillary Clinton to great effect. The trouble is when you have tremendous succession you have the catastrophic success like Hillary Clinton might have in race against donald trump then Democratic Coalition becomes so big, so broad, so expansive that you start having more civil wars within that coalition. The Bernie Sanders challenge represents the future. This party that now seems unified against trump is going to have a lot of fractiousness. That is going to become something thats going to be prefer democrats right now. Dickerson sure, unsettled well have to end it there. Well be back in a moment with a look at the fight over president every year, the amount of data your enterprise uses goes up. Smart devices are up. Cloud is up. Analytics is up. Seems like everything is up except your budget. Introducing comcast Business Enterprise solutions. With a different kind of network that delivers the bandwidth you need without the high cost. Because you can t build the business of tomorrow dickerson were back with chief Legal Correspondent jan crawford and attorney. Blocked by the Senate Democrats in 2002. Jan, ill start with you. What kind of jurist is Merrick Garland has his has it changed that hes actually nominated someone . Not in short term it hasnt changed calculus they were going to block whoever the president as isnt for mcconnell said early on would come up. That said i think this pick puts Senate Republicans perhaps the smallest possible corner because he really is the best pick that a Republican Senate could hope for from democratic president. As justice we have to assume judge. On that dcbased federal Appeals Court now in his 19th year hes been pretty restrained, cautious, not someone who swing for the census try to remake the law as justice. But nonetheless a solid liberal vote thats why republicans are dug in. Bows his nomination would change the balance of the court. That Supreme Court would be 54 liberals, for a generation. Dickerson what do you make of the republican strategy to just block . Look, let me get started with my view which if to say when president puts somebody who is a qualified person the sebate should give him a hearing get him through. I think he is astronomically qualified. The strategy is political strategy, may enormous sense for leader mcconnell to do before the announcement. Because it forced the white put on the table the best qualified person that is the most attractive to the Republican Party. If the party were 20 points ahead in the polls we were united behind a republican nominee who was clearly conservative the strategy might continue to make sense. Everybody knows thats not the case within we come to the primaries in june and its clear that best were going to have a messy contested convention, i think would be number of republican senators who take second look at this and say, you know, its a high quality person, we should give him a hearing and confirm him. I think you cant assume that say president clintonf shes going into the oval office would renominate Merrick Garland hes 63yearold white guy. Not the kind of home run that these liberal groups had hoped for. And so the argument to miguels point that republicans could realize that theyre going to get a liberal flame thrower come january. I think that is why the calculus could very well change in the month ahead. Dickerson miguel you mentioned crucial one between law and politics is there any legal or constitutional basis, though, in saying the president canned nominate somebody or if they nominate were not going to listen to him . I think the latter. The latter is clearly okay under the constitution. All article 2 says president may nominate and meets affirmative consent of the senate to a point. If the senate supposed to do anything whatsoever that is not the consent of the constitution there for the person cannot be appointed. There is nothing the constitution that says that they senate have to have hearings or a vote. If there was, the filibuster which we have had more years and years would have been unconstitutional. Federal Appeals Court because democrats filibustered his nomination to the dc based federal Appeals Court. For Justice Alito voted to block, if the senate gets to advise and consent. Dickerson where does this put us in the platetization of Supreme Court picks is this a big break from . I think that this lock been politicized. Its like the hatfields and mccoys you look back, this is a bitter battle, most senior members of the United States senate. This is a separate point but i think you have to give republicans in some ways a lot of credit for being honest about what theyre doing. Instead of putting nominee through the charade of a hearing and trying to dig up personal attacks to vote them down, theyre saying, no, this is not about Merrick Garland this is about the process. Say, for example, Miguel Estrada was nominated by president bush, they went through this charade democrats did of personal attacks. Instead of saying, were not going to confirm president bushs nominees we dont want them to be on the Supreme Court some day. At least in this sense dickerson about 20 seconds. The did you want to ancient history. Seems to me as people we need to focus on where we go to now and when we have a bid from the president who is probably the best qualified person that a any party could have picked the party who rules the senate ought to take it seriously as a political calculation, give this a fair hearing. Dickerson wonderful. Thank you so much. Well be right back. To the fast. And to help you accelerate, weve created a new company. One totally focused on whats next for your business. Accelerating innovation. Accelerating next. Dickerson thanks for watching. Until next week for face the nation, im john dickerson. Captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh now, from cbs news, this is facing south florida with jim defede. Good morning. I am jim defede. Welcome to facing south florida. Resident barack obama will travel to cuba later today. He will be the first u. S. President and 90 years to visit the island while still in office. In this momentous trip we the show. First we look at the president ial race. As marco rubio who started the campaign with so much promise, ended his bid after losing florida to donald trump. Lets be clear, it wasnt just a loss, it was a beat down. Despite more than 15 million in negative ads being run against donald trump, the populist authoritarian billionaire, 166 of these won 66 of the 67 counties. The only one that marco rubio won was his own county. He seems to be talking about being a possible unity ticket with ted cruz. I dont mean this in a disrespectful way. I am not going to be vice president. I am not running for governor of florida. Im going to finish out my term in the senate for the next 10