Thats right. Today was halloween. Im not a decoration yelled eric trump as he was put back in the attic for next year. [ laughter ] there are just eight days left until the election. So if anyones still thinking of running, nows the time. [ laughter ] just saying. [ cheers and applause ] after claiming the election is rally last week that the country should, quote, just cancel the election and give it to trump. And then on friday, fbi director james comey said, okay. [ laughter ] according to a new poll almost 76 of people think the media wants Hillary Clinton to win the election, which is just crazy. Think about it. If hillary wins, nobodys going to want to watch the news. Email hearings, droning speeches. Going to be like an action movie written by seventh graders. [ laughter and applause ] weve bombed mexico again . Yeah, yeah, yeah. Be quiet. Im watching the topless super bowl halftime show. [ laughter ] donald trump told supporters last night that Hillary Clinton wants to bring 650 Million Immigrants into the United States within one week of taking office. Whereas if he wins, canada gets 150 Million Immigrants. [ cheers and applause ] nasas Early Warning asteroid Intruder Alert system spotted an asteroid as it passed by earth last night, and i think i speak for all of us when i say, come back, asteroid [ laughter and applause ] a trump supporter was arrested in iowa last week for inperson make America Great. And the second one was to make America Great again. [ laughter ] according to a new study using marijuana may improve night vision. Said one user, oh, right. [ laughter ] because of the lighter. [ laughter ] a ukrainian man legally changed an Electronics Store offered the phone free to the first five people to do so. And now his girlfriend is thinking about upgrading to a new model. [ laughter ] a new report has found that 61 of americans feel that the government should make it easier for people to vote. Specifically by picking candidates easier to vote for. [ light laughter ] come back, asteroid a new study shows a compound found in broccoli may slow the signs of aging. Said one toddler, then i guess this is goodbye. [ light laughter ] and finally, ikea has launched a new ad campaign using the slogan no matter who you are, what you do, or how much you make, you can still make the dream yours. Which is better than their old slogan, theres horse in the meatballs. [ laughter ] great show for you tonight. [ cheers and applause ] there was horse in the meatballs. Thats not a thing im just saying. He is one of our favorite guests here at late night. Hes the star of the new Broadway Revival the front page, the always fantastic nathan lane back on the show tonight. [ cheers and applause ] shes on a great new show on amazon called good girls revolt. Genevieve angelson is here tonight to talk about that. [ cheers and applause ] Television Critics who definitively ranked the best tv shows of all time in their new book tv the book. Matt zoller seitz and Alan Sepinwall will be here. And i look forward to arguing with them about their pick for the top shows of all time. Now, before we get to all that, again, we have a great show for you tonight, the president ial campaign was upended yet again on friday by another last minute twist, the revelation that the fbi has discov investigation of Hillary Clintons private server. For more on this, it is time for a closer look. . [ cheers and applause ] seth by the end of last week, Hillary Clinton was coasting. She was up double digits in some polls and it showed in her mood with cnn reporting on thursday Hillary Clinton finally lets loose. In fact she was so loose, she was even talking about organizing a National Dance party. I keep telling people i want to close the deficit and one of the deficits i want to close is there you go. Got to close the fun deficit. Im sick of all this meanness. Why dont these who support my opponent go out and have fun dancing . Do you think they dance . Absolutely. I think we need a big National Dance. Im with you. Seth hillary is the last person id want organizing a dance party. [ light laughter ] there is literally only one person on earth with less rhythm than her. Bing, bing, bong, bong, bing, bing, bing. [ laughter ] seth t [ cheers and applause ] this very, very serious threat of a national armsonly dance party led by Hillary Clinton caught the attention of the fbi, who realized they had to do something to dampen her spirits. Breaking news tonight, Hillary Clintons campaign hit with an october surprise by the fbi. Only 11 days before the election, the bureau alerting congress that its reviewing newly found emails related to clintons personal server. This is certainly the ultimate october surprise. Another october surprise. Yet another october surprise. There may be an october surprise. There may be a november surprise. I think we may have surprises all the way through election day. Seth all the way through election day . This election is going to have surprises for the next year. And a january surprise, President Trump has taken all of americas gold and fled to china. [ light laughter ] all he left in its place, a short note. [ laughter and applause ] so, trump donald trump still hasnt released his tax returns, 12 women have accused him of sexual assault, and hes going on trial for fraud for Trump University in november. But now, the only thing the media is talking about is emails. Its like if during the o. J. Trial everyone was focused on whether or not the ford bronco had up to date registration. [ laughter ] and for the clinton campaign, almost as frustrating as the reemergence of the email issue was the way it reemerged a like a survivor clue to finding the hidden immunity idol. It began with a cryptic letter to lawmakers which raises many questions, or more, than it actually answered. Hes put this letter out there that is unquestionably vague. Theres very few facts inside that letter. Everybody trying to figure out what exactly these words by the fbi director mean. What he did on friday was kind of unleash a bunch of vague speculation. You saw some republicans as well say this letter seems vague, we wa t of dropping an ambiguity bomb just days before the election. Seth thats right. An ambiguity bomb. Basically, this letter was so vague, it was like the entire country got a voicemail from the fbi director just saying, we need to talk. [ laughter ] this is not the time for vagaries. We need details. We need cold, hard facts. Can you at least tell us where the new emails came from the first place . Sources say the emails were uncovered in the sexting [ laughter ] go back to being vague. Im sorry i asked for details. [ cheers and applause ] seriously. With everything with Everything Else hanging over this election, now we have the shadow of Anthony Weiners photographic genitalia . I mean, what point do we oh, get out of here [ laughter and applause ] all right, seriously, what happened . Law enforcement Officials Say the emails were found on a laptop computer belonging to former congressman Anthony Weiner. Former congressman Anthony Weiner, the estranged husband of clinton aide huma abedin. Anthony weiner is the ghost of christmas past, present, and future. He just wont go away. Seth and if he ever does show up with a Christmas Goose claiming hes changed his ways, just know he probably had sex with that goose. [ laughter ] [ light laughter ] Anthony Weiner bringing the stuffing. [ laughter ] as for moving on, come on. [ light laughter ] as for how democrats feel about weiner at this point, just look at how exasperated Vice President joe biden was when he found out weiner was the source of the new emails. I dont know where this email where these emails came from apparently Anthony Weiner. Well oh, god. [ laughter ] i should not comment on Anthony Weiner. Seth way to go Anthony Weiner, you broke joe biden. [ laughter ] now this latest news has revealed the hypocrisy on display in both parties. Lets start with democrats, who for months praised fbi director james comeys integrity for deciding not to prosecute hillary, but now that comey has dropped the latest bombshell, liberals are singing a very different tune. I think basically what we have theres absolutely no legitimate Law Enforcement purpose for what the director did. Zero. People are outraged. And theyre not outraged with Hillary Clinton. Theyre outraged with director comey for coming forward with absolutely nothing. This is the question about what kind of country do we live in. James comey has now joined other republicans in being what you might call banana republicans. Theyre acting like theyre in a banana republic. Seth pundits, you got to stop using the phrase banana republic. It doesnt mean third world country anymore. It means clothing store. [ light laughter ] you might as well say, people would never get away with this behavior in the old navy. [ laughter ] and then theres trump. Donald trump, whos been calling the fbi and Justice Department rigged for months. Take a look at this, this tweet from donald trump its a rigged system. They have essentially corrupted the director of the fbi. I think the biggest rigging of all is whats happened with the fbi. The fbi rolled over. Seth but the nice thing about rolling is you come back around, as trump himself demonstrated with his sudden change of heart on the fbi after the email news broke. I have Great Respect for the fbi for righting this wrong. The system is ri. It might not be as rigged as i thought. [ laughter ] seth thats why i give this current election three and a half rigs. [ laughter and applause ] but the trump team the trump team didnt dwell on their change of heart and instead spent the weekend celebrating it as nothing less than one of the best days of their campaign. And trump took it even further, comparing it to perhaps the greatest scandal in modern politics. This is bigger than watergate. In my opinion. Seth bigger than watergate . I would be shocked if trump even knew what watergate was. Watergate was so bad. First, you had the water, then you had the gate and as you remember, the water went right through the gate because [ laughter ] a gate cant stop water. It ruined [ applause ] it ruined the carpeting of the entire hotel. They should have built a wall, in my opinion. If im being totally honest. They should have built a wall. You got to build a wall. [ laughter ] watergate, reports so far are unclear, with some suggesting that the emails might not even be from hillary. That many of them might be duplicates and that the fbi doesnt see this as a game changer. And comey himself seemed concerned about the reaction writing to employees, quote, in the middle of election season there is significant risk of being misunderstood. But as far as being misunderstood, dont worry, because our media always behaves calmly and rationally when it comes to potential clinton scandals. Something pertinent, regarding the case, you just figure it must be big. What if this is something that truly is a bombshell . If she gets elected on november 8th, this isnt going away. So what needs to happen . Special prosecutor . You know theres something in there. Has to be. Well theres nothing tastier than the unknown. Seth of course theres nothing tastier than the unknown is also the slogan for taco bell. [ laughter ] and now Trump Supporters are taking the hysteria even further these latest email revelations might be grounds for impeaching hillary if she wins. Even if she wins, shes on the road to impeachment. Youre going to elect somebody with a high possibility of being impeached and convicted. Lets just say for the sake of the argument, she wins the election. This isnt going to stop. There will be a move to impeach her the moment her hand comes down from that bible. Seth why does cnn still let jeffrey lord on tv . And only let him read the drudge report for like a year. And also maybe dont take the high road on hillarys legal trouble when your candidate has a fraud trial as we mentioned starting in november. So now weve got once again republicans foaming at the mouth for another four years of paralyzing political dysfunction. In fact, even before this latest round of email news, republicans basically announced that they were that were about to enter an era of permanent investigation, with the Washington Post reporting are already preparing for years of investigations of clinton. Basically this is going to be hillarys permanent face for four years. If she ever gets put on money, that will be the face they use. [ laughter ] and this kind of permanent investigation, where you subject your political opponent to constant hounding and neverending legal proceedings, is paralyzing our political system. Its enough to make you want to tune out politics altogether, or as hillary herself recently put it gifs. In the last few weeks i watched a lot of cats do a lot of weird and interesting things. [ laughter ] seth oh, i love cat stuff like that. Can you email it to me . Oh, you know what, never mind, never mind. This has been a closer look. . 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Enjoyed ever since. Stella artois. Host one to remember were going to prove just how wet and sticky your current gel antiperspirant is. Now were going to show you how degree dry spray is different. Degree dry spray. . [ cheers and applause ] seth welcome back, everybody give it up for the 8g band right over there. [ cheers ] also, sitting in on drums with the 8g band this week, shes the former drummer for the one and only prince, and the first single from her new group counterculture, womens intuition, is out now. Hannah welton is here, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] welcome to the show, hannah. Were so, so happy to have you. Tony awardwinning actor whos currently starring the criticallyacclaimed Broadway Revival of the front page. His childrens book, naughty mabel sees it all, is available in bookstores now. Please welcome back to the show our friend nathan lane. [ cheers and applause ] . Seth welcome back. How are you . You did that like vincent price. Seth i did. [ laughter ] just for halloween. Seth i realized id left the album out on the table, and i didnt want you to think no, im a big fan. Seth okay, good. Happy halloween. Seth happy halloween to you. Yes, yes. Seth thank you for making time for us on halloween. Oh, you know seth do you enjoy halloween here in new york . Well, every day in new york is halloween, really. [ laughter ] when you think about it, especially if you live downtown. I live downtown, whereou a costume or their own clothes. Seth yeah. [ laughter ] its like, hey, look, edward scissorhands. No, wait, its just a barista. [ laughter ] halloween is my favorite holiday right after arbor day and kim jonguns birthday. [ laughter ] seth i remember that about you. Yeah, its the most terrifying day of the year. Seth yeah. Unless we elect donald trump november 8th. [ laughter ] donald trump costume just today. Seth oh, you did . Yes. They couldnt call it donald trump because they could get sued. Seth sure. So, it was just called deranged creamsicle. Seth okay. [ laughter ] and the hillary costume was called hey, better than that guy. Seth oh, i see, yeah. [ laughter ] but halloween is fun. You get to dress up. You eat candy corn until you cant feel your teeth, and then and then, you go bobbing for xanax. Seth okay, well, there [ laughter ] a perfect way to end a i had an awkward time last year. Seth what happened last halloween . Well, a guy showed up on my doorstep sorry. A guy showed up on my doorstep, and i said, are you trickortreating . He said, no, im just really required to tell you that im moving into the neighborhood. [ laughter ] [ audience ohs ] seth oh, now that now, that thats scary. Seth thats scary. [ laughter ] thats scary, ladies and gentlemen. Seth congratulations on your show, the front page. Thank you. Seth this is a revival. This is a fun show. Classic american comedy, like hecht and macarthur. Brilliant allstar cast, led by john slattery, great guy. Seth and an interesting thing, the producer, scott rudin, did with the critics yeah. Seth he did this sort of old school. And explain the difference how critics used to review shows and how they do now. Scott, you know, very brave to take on a show like this, a huge company of 27 actors. And an even braver move, he asked all the critics to review it the way they used to in the old days like when the play debuted, where they would all come on the opening night, and then run up the aisle and write their reviews and get it in for whereas, you know, these days, at least since the 80s, theyve been they go to the last four or five previews, and then have some time to think about it and submit their reviews. So, he thought it would be a fun idea. He has an interesting sense of humor, and fortunately, the critics responded positively, and they all came, which was shocking to me. Seth yeah. But, you know, opening nights are strange anyway because its filled with friends and relatives and investors of the show and the odd celebrity. Seth yeah, thats interesting. The party afterwards is a lot well, you know you know, youre hoping that its going to be sensational, but everyone is sort of too much invested. Seth sure. If its a comedy, they laugh either too much out of nervousness or not at all. Seth yeah. And i thought, well, oh, were going to add 30 theater critics to this, so itll be like an Insurance Adjusters convention. [ laughter ] it will be like looking at a room of undecided voters. Seth yeah. You know, i just but fortunately they all, you know, loved the idea, and i think they seth well, thats fantastic. And now, you actually the character you play is based on a real life oh, yeah. Seth person from history who was a, fair to say, a vile character . Well, hes it was hecht and macarthur were reporters in chicago in the 20s, and so a lot of the characters are based on real people. This was a man he was charles mcarthurs editor. His name was walter howie. Seth mhmm. And he looks, if you saw pictures of him, he looked harmless, with glasses and bow that he does in the play to charles mcarthur. He gave him his watch, and then he was going off to get married. He gave him his watch as a present, and then had him arrested for stealing it. [ light laughter ] and he famously, one night, i guess, got drunk at the newspaper offices and fell on what was called a copy spike, and it knocked out his eye. [ audience groans ] seth really . And so he had a glass eye for the rest of his life, and ben hecht used to say, you could tell which was the glass eye because it was the warmer one. [ laughter ] seth now, i love having you here because you are yeah. Seth by any metric a showbiz insider. Oh, boy. Seth and you are yeah, you said it. Seth theres a lot of talk about trump tv. Oh. Seth trump tv being a thing. Yeah. Seth and you actually have some insight. Im so glad you brought this up. Seth yeah. Because, yeah, i know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy. Seth okay. Who gave me the potential lineup for trump tv. Seth the schedule . The schedule. Seth theres already a potential schedule . Yeah. Now, a lot of them are based on, twist. Seth sure. For example, they have modern white heterosexual family. Seth okay. [ laughter ] and then, at 9 00, evicting the jeffersons. [ laughter ] [ crowd ohs ] seth that will be popular. Oh, yeah. How i deported your mother. Seth okay, there you go, very similar. [ laughter ] married with prenups. Seth okay. [ laughter ] eight simple rules for me dating my daughter. Seth okay. [ audience ohs ] they like that. Thats their favorite so far. [ applause ] touched by a billionaire. Seth okay. [ laughter ] everybody hates chris christie. [ laughter ] and how to get away with murdering billy bush. [ laughter ] yes. Seth there we go. Well, thank you for that. Its quite a lineup. [ cheers and applause ] seth congratulations. This is a this is a book about your dog. Oh, yeah. Seth this is a book about your dog. Well, its not a documentary. [ laughter ] it is just a it was loosely inspired. Seth loosely inspired. You know. Seth so wait, this stuff didnt all happened . [ laughter ] seth wait, did your dog go for an eye test or not . Be honest with me. Yes, she did. Seth okay, okay. She did, and in this one, she joins the taliban. [ laughter ] no. In this one, she gets double vision. Its for an older crowd. She gets double vision. She starts seeing things and thinks shes seeing monsters, and then it turns out she needs glasses. Seth okay, well, there you go. So, its sweet. Seth and this is your second naughty mabel . Yeah, yeah. But, it is based on our real dog, mabel. Seth has it gone to mabels head at all . Well, sure. Yeah, yeah. She you know, i brought this about her. She and i thought it was but its a cautionary tale. Seth oh, cautionary tale. So i thought and youre a dog lover and a dog owner. Seth i am, yeah. So shes a very fussy eater, but you take her out for a walk, she will eat anything on the street. Seth yeah. So, you have to be very careful and watch her. And, i had taken her out for a walk, and about an hour later, she was, like, totally out of it and having trouble walking. She became incontinent. We rushed her to the vet. She did some tests, and it turns pcp in her system. [ audience aws ] seth oh, no. And she had apparently eaten the remains of a joint and was high and hallucinating. [ laughter ] so, i should have known something was up when she started a drum circle in union square. [ laughter and applause ] i caught her watching the wizard of oz while listening to pink floyd. Seth you should have. You know, so now, she wont forget the toilet, she just wants to drink bong water. Seth yeah. [ laughter ] and shes been hanging out a lot with woody harrelsons dog. Yeah. The good news is she wasnt arrested. Luckily shes friends with a police dog [ laughter ] who pulled a few strings. Seth he pulled a few strings. But she did have to go to rehab. Seth oh. Yeah, she went to the place paris hiltons chihuahua went, so. [ laughter ] it was first rate. Seth shell be fine. But, you know, now shes home. Shes clean. Shes clean. [ laughter ] clean and sober. Seth shes clean. Yeah, but i do have to give random urine tests. Seth oh, no. [ laughter ] do you know how hard it is to get a dog to pee in a cup . Seth oh, i cant even imagine. Yeah. But frisbee does she, you know, when you take her out, will she eat anything on the street . Seth frisbee will eat anything on the street. Yeah. Seth but frisbee wont go to the bathroom outside. What do you mean . Seth well, frisbee is house trained because shes so little. What the hell do you mean . You mean seth frisbee, like, goes to the bath you put a like a cat . Seth yeah. Like a like seth well, like, we put a pad in the bathtub, and she jumps in the bathtub and uses that. [ audience ohs ] and then she jumps out. Well, dont invite me over for the weekend. [ laughter and applause ] wow. Seth she wont do it if youre in the bathtub. Wow, that is seth its not great. The reason she she doesnt want to go outside seth no, you take her outside, but i think because shes so cold, like, she doesnt want to go does she not have a have a coat, a winter coat . Seth she has a coat, but i like, if youre a wearing a the show is doing well, you could get her [ laughter ] seth i got you get her but, i think it is restrictive to the part of a dog that wants to go to the bathroom. Like, she wears a fullbody fleece. [ laughter ] well, i thought my dog was pampered. Also, you know, all the other dogs look at her [ laughter ] and just she just doesnt i think she has so so paranoid and insecure. Seth shes a little paranoid, yeah. Aw. Oh. Seth its great, though. But she but you take her out at least. Its seth yeah, we take her out. You know, its yeah. Seth but, again, she she doesnt have to you know. Seth she immediately starts to shake. Really, when she goes outside . Seth shes cold from the middle of july to the end of august. Or, like, thats the only time shes not freezing. [ laughter ] this sounds like an elderly jewish woman. Seth yeah. Im telling you. [ laughter ] seth there is a lot of siri always a pleasure to see you. Always a pleasure to see you. [ cheers and applause ] seth nathan lane, everybody the front page playing at the broadhurst theatre. There we go. Well be right back with Genevieve Angelson. [ cheers and applause ] . . . This is pepsi zero sugarar. Zero sugar. ooooh zero calories. ooooo but max pepsi taste. wow applause pepsi zero sugar. I just see a black screen. What are you looking at . Whatwhat is this . Its like some 3d virtual world. Can i see . 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Kennedy in camelot, and everything appears to be perfect, but only because so much is being repressed. Right. And as the decade proceeds, everything thats painful and unresolved about american life, okay. Yeah. So what if the 70s are a decade about expansion . Seth please welcome to the show Genevieve Angelson. . Seth im so very happy youre here. Im so much happier than you are. [ laughter ] i really am. Seth thats very nice thing to say. I dont even remember why were doing this. Seth well let me ill fill you in. Youre on a show called good girls revolt. Thats right. Okay. Seth and this is about this is a true story about female researchers who sued newsweek for gender discrimination. Yes. Seth tell us a little bit more about the show. So in 1969, if you were a Woman Working at newsweek, you had to be a researcher, and all of the people who were actually getting their names on stories were men. And in 1969, there was Woman Working there named lynn povich who ultimately wrote the book that our tv show is inspired by, as well as nora ephron. So these brilliant women got together and sued the magazine, and they won, and our show is inspired by that story. Seth and this is it true, this is a part that when you first read the script, before you even auditioned, you knew you wanted to play this part . Okay. Got the email [ light laughter ] got the email in my inbox, immediate response, full body seth from reading the script or just from an email . No, because, like seth do you get very few emails . [ laughter ] i get very few really, really good shows. Seth sure. And so 99,000 out of 100,000 auditions, as an actor, you dont get, right . Seth yeah. So its like a process of grieving it right away. When its something so good, i knew it was gonna be so hard to let go of. But i got to the audition. Again, immediately. Seth its amazing they stuck with you. [ laughter ] considering these huge emotional swings. No, but what i said to them was just, you know, cast me or dont cast me, but please make this pilot into a show because its so good. And then i got them all drunk and had sex with them and they gave me the part. Seth oh, congratulations [ laughter and applause ] another great thing about the show is based on when it takes place. A lot of drugs, a lot of sex, for your character. For my yeah. A lot of d. Oh, that kind of d. Seth no, no i meant [ laughter ] [ talking over each other ] lot of d. Double d. Only thing about patti that is double d. [ light laughter ] seth but you you now you claim this is not true of you. This a lot of drugs, a lot of sex. Pattis very comfortable. Seth with both. With partying. Genevieve, not so much. I was lhl i was recently prescribed a medicine by a doctor. Seth oh, well, congratuti it prescribed from. [ laughter ] correct. Seth who, what was the the drug was called ambien. Seth oh, im familiar. And um i was prepared for some side effects, like night bingeing and, like, cardiac arrest. Seth yes. I was sort of expecting those. Seth kind of hoping for the bingeing . Kind of hoping for the bingeing. Not so much the bladder pain, apparently thats a thing. But what they didnt warn me is texting on ambien. Seth okay. And i did that. Seth now you were actually kind enough to bring these texts. And i would like to do a short, oneact play, where i will read [ laughter ] now, who is who is the gentleman thats texting you . Okay so this was someone, i took the ambien, and then i got a text from a boy ive never met that a friend was setting me up with. Never met this person. Seth so this is a First Impression you are about to make . First impression. [ audience ohs ] First Impression. Seth okay, im will you be able to read this . First of all, look at all of the blue. [ laughter ] seth allht start . And now read your answer. It really is. New paragraph. My best friend had a birthdays party. I showed up, heart open. Seth jesus. Available for fun. I had it. Then comes moment where it seems the dreams youre hoped you fulfill, are on the other side home. That second wave of the party where things get deeper and capital m, maybe, change locations and maybe there were a million exit opportunities, you wish you took. I got out before this drama played out in my head and walked my dog and i dont have any regrets. New text. Parties are minefields. [ laughter ] seth now, you did have the wherewithal the next day, you followed up. [ laughter ] now, i woke up with no me open my phone, ready to check the new york times, thats when i found it, so seth so you had to follow up. From the so much blue. [ light laughter ] okay. I have to jump in by way of explanation. I took an ambien for the first time in ages last night. Never taken it. And made the rookie mistake of not burying my phone in siberia first because it makes you trip balls. 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During the ford year end event, discover why ford is americas bestselling brand. . Im on top of the world, hey . With the most 5star ratings. Awardwinning value. Thats how you become americas bestselling brand. During the ford year end event get an extra thousand dollars black friday bonus cash on top of all other great offers. Its an amazing time z262jz zy6z . [ cheers and applause ] seth welcome back, everybody. Our next guest are two celebrated Television Critics whose new book tv the book two experts pick the greatest shows of all time is available now. Please welcome to the show Matt Zoller Seitz and Alan Sepinwall. . [ cheers and applause ] seth gentlemen, welcome. Im so very happy to have you here. I so enjoyed this book. It is very thorough, and i feel like its a great argument starter, because you have ranked these shows 1 to 100. Youve given them a score. Yep. Seth you used five different categories and assigned a number. We did. Yes. Six ultimately. Seth six different. Yes. Yes. Seth i think thats a fantastic choice. [ cheers and applause ] simpsons is the greatest show of all time. Seth greatest show of all time. And you give it credit because a lot of people you know what, i dont necessarily think that its true, a lot of people feel like the simpsons has slowed down over the years, and yet you give it credit, which i think is rightly so, the fact that it stayed on the air and continued to be a show, was a very hard thing to do. Well one of one of the scores that we gave was consistency. Seth right. And consistency is not only how good something is over the longterm, but also how well it weathers different challenge almost three decades. Seth yes. And its inspired so much other television. And certainly, being a comedian, there are just generations and generations of people now, who i feel the seed of the first thing they saw that made them laugh was the simpsons. Yes. Seth so then you go to the number two show, and this is a real argument that you guys have, and you read out your argument. You end up picking the sopranos as number two over the wire. Yes. Seth okay. Now, i want to point out, you guys worked at the new york starledger. We did. Seth which is the newspaper that tony picks up in the beginning of each episode in the seth that feels unfair to me that you picked the sopranos. [ laughter ] there should be an asterisk. Because i believe the wire is the second greatest show of all time. Now again, im fine with sopranos as three. What is the argument . cause i know you are the one that truly believes the sopranos. Yeah, yeah. It was it was difficult. But ultimately what it came down to me was the wire, i think, is the pinnacle of a lot of the classical versions of tv. Telling a story with a beginning, a middle, and an end. Going in a linear order, and all of that. The sopranos was just on a whole other level. There were so many things they did were innovative or new, and the only ending in the history of television that you can provoke actual fights about if you mention it. The cut to black. Seth when you first saw the ending of the sopranos, how how did you process it immediately . Were you disappointed . Were you thrilled . I laughed. Seth okay. I was watching it i was watching it in the Screening Room at hbo headquarters, a few hours before, so i knew that my cable hadnt gone out. So i just thought, this is what david chase is actually doing. Holy cow, this is so david chase to do this. Seth we i used to do this so not only did i think my cable went out, i thought id screwed it up for everybody. [ laughter ] i had people over. And one of them was amy poehler, who turned to me like she was going to murder me. [ light laughter ] and it was days later until i finally got the okay that it wasnt the worst thing that ever happened. Heres will you just concede this point if you both wrote at the baltimore sun, the wire would be number two . [ laughter ] no. Nah. Seth cause heres my thing about the sopranos dream sequences. Ive never been a fan of dream sequen b fan of the dream sequencing in the sopranos. I love em. And they a lot of that comes out of twin peaks, which david chase was huge, huge fan of. But what i love about the dream sequences on that show, and on mad men, is youre not entirely sure if theyre a dream when you first see them. They keep you on the edge, sometimes all the way up to the end of the dream. And they do all sorts of other Different Things with the dream, like they interweave it with things that are actually happening, so you dont know if the characters dreaming this real stuff or not. Its terrific. We used to get complaints at the starledger all the time, from who wanted, as they put it, more whackin, less yakkin. [ light laughter ] seth uhhuh. You know, they didnt like the psychotherapy. They didnt like all the domestic stuff with tony and his wife and kids. They just wanted mob hits. Seth right. Mob hits nonstop. But its the other stuff that makes it special. Seth i would agree with you on that. So i want to ask, are there are there shows here in this book that you feel like people right now dont know about, that they could go back and watch and really enjoy . And i was going to ask you to pick one, but id rather just pick one for you, and have you make a case. Seth for deadwood. cause deadwood is a fantastic show. Boy did you come to the right place. Seth that i feel like, didnt quite get the attention it deserved at the time. Deadwood, we weve always sort of viewed as the holy trinity of hbo dramas is the sopranos, the wire, and deadwood. Deadwood never got as much credit, in part because it ended abruptly, in part because it was this incred really profane, convoluted dialogue kind of show. But its beautiful. Its the closest tv has ever come to shakespeare. It like, it overwhelms me emotionally to watch it every whenever i recommend this show to people and alan and i used to get yelled at by people in the news room, because we talked about deadwood so much but one of the things i love about it is, even though its really, really violent, really upsetting, there is so much subject matter that is hard to take. In the end it is an idealistic show about how people can change. It really believes that people can change. And in that sense its really optimistic. Seth uh, im glad were in agreement on deadwood. Now were running out of time. So i want to and i hate to ask you guys to name one of anything, considering your book is about 100 tv shows. And its really about 150, yeah. Seth but name a show because you didnt put currently running shows. If theyre still running, they didnt make the list of 100. Name something right now thats maybe on the new side, that you feel like people should be watching. I think anyone who is not watching the americans absolutely should be, on fx. Its extraordinary. If we do another edition of the book, and we are considering shows that have ended by that point, americans i think is going to finish very highly. I would stack it up with those classic early, you know, 2000s dramas. Seth a fantastic show. And yourself matt . It is, it is great. And its doing, not only is it doing things that i dont believe any comedy has ever done before, its showing us characters who have never been on tv before. Seth those are excellent picks. The book is fantastic. [ cheers and applause ] Matt Zoller Seitz and Alan Sepinwall everybody. Tv the book is available in bookstores now. Well be right back. [ cheers and applause ] . Okay google, show me korean restaurants in boulder. Google assistant i found a few places. Exclusively on verizon. 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