Stamp hunger out. And by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. Thank you. Tavis pleased to welcome alicia keys to this program. The 14time grammy winner is out with her first album in three years now, and this is the since the birth of her twoyearold son, egypt. The project is called, as if you didnt know, girl on fire. As i mentioned at the top, it features a great lineup of guest artists. From the new disc, here is some of the video for the title track, girl on fire. We got our feet on the ground and were burning it town oh oh oh oh oh got our head in the clouds and were not coming down this girl is on fire this girl is on fire walking on fire this girl is on fire everybody says that shes on fire that they can see the flame thats in her eyes tavis so even though you have a legitimate reason for being gone for three years a baby. Youve earned that right thank you. Tavis to take a few years off. But even when you have a legitimate reason for doing that, three years in this business is so long. Mm, mm. Tavis so what fear, what trepidation, what angst, if any, does one have when theyre trying to put together a project thats three years in the making . Well, i personally, this whole project, this whole time in my life, this whole album really represents a really important time for me where ive actually its funny you bring up that word where ive actually been in the process of removing fear from my vocabulary, from my essence, because i feel like we can do so much greatness when were not afraid. Its when we become afraid of everything and worried about everything that you are never going to reach your highest potential. So thats actually been a really big driving force to this record, and even to the way that ive wanted to put this whole album together. This is about my journey. This is about a story. This is about a woman, a girl becoming a woman, and all of those tests and trials and tribulations that that takes for someone to go through, and we all go through it. A boy becoming a man we all go through it. So in actuality, thats why this album has been so important to me, because its not about, like, okay, quick, how many singles can we sell, and quick, how many its not about quick anything. Its about a real artistic statement and really being able to have something to say and bring the audience with me and say were all going through this life together. How are you feeling . Heres how im feeling. So fear is not a part of my vocabulary, actually, and i think that its really made me a much smarter, braver, for sure, person. Tavis a friend of mine sent me a note the other day and i love im trying to phrase it right. He said we have to give our fears an expiration date. We have to give our fears an expiration date. If i were a songwriter, id write that into a song somewhere, but im not. [laughter] all right, let me handle that for you. Tavis you handle that, yeah. [laughter] but i love the line, give our fears an expiration date. Mm. Tavis since you talked about this part of your life being about moving beyond fear, to the extent that you are willing, what were you afraid of . What were you trying to move beyond . Yeah, i think that what i discovered was the amount of fear that you hold on from others. I feel like the majority of the fear that i had or that we have we hold from other people. Theyre like people that we trust, theyre their fears. All of a sudden we think that theyre our fears. Or people that we love, theyre their fears. So all of a sudden we think that theyre our fears. When so many things that were holding on to are not even ours in the first place, theyre somebody elses thats been kind of given to us or that weve adopted, and so i think theres been a cleansing out process for me about really removing people, things, thoughts, old, that have just kind of like hung around, and to really, like, start to think about things in a really brandnew, out of the box, fearless way. Been im sure youve asked this question by others, but not by me, so heres my chance to ask it for the umpteenth time. So the difference writing, producing, recording a record postbaby for you is what, has been what . The difference. The difference of making this album has been everything. Theres not been one thing thats [laughter] tavis well for starters, hes on the record, so thats one difference. So thats one. Tavis yes. There hasnt been one thing thats the same, not one thing. Even with just starting simply like with the process of recording the record when i first started. Like, it was so different, i was, i was, like, in a different time zone. I was in a different time frame, whereas before i would be in the studio until, like, 4 00 or 5 00 in the morning, i would roll out of there when i felt like it, come back in there. At 12 00, literally, i gave myself a time at 12 00, because he was about four months when i started, three, four months, so at 12 00 if there wasnt magic happening in the studio, i was like, okay, todays not the day. Ill come back tomorrow. Lets pick it up tomorrow. That was really cool, actually. That gave me a whole new perspective. I started a little bit earlier, i started to understand that theres a i can trust that i understand where things are unfolding to. You dont have to just kind of beat your head against the wall, which is what i kind of used to do. And also i think that there was more of a freedom in me too, so now ive experienced more like, ive experienced love to a new capacity and new depth, and ive also really stepped into my womanhood. So i think that the creation process was just more, like, open, and thats why i actually combined with so many different people, because i wanted to do things that id never done before. It was like i needed to do things i never did before, and that was just the feeling that i had from the beginning. Tavis i ran into aisha the other day, stevie wonders daughter. Aww. Tavis every time i see aisha we find ourselves in some conversation about how many people to this day still walk up to her when they discover that shes stevies baby and that shes the one on the and be like, singing isnt she lovely. Tavis you got it. [laughter] they go in. Tavis thats it. They go in when they hear that. So im wondering what you have now done to egypt. I know. Tavis whats going to happen 20 years from now . I know. Hes going to be like, say, mom, hes going to be like, leave me alone. [laughter] just leave me alone. Tavis poor egypt is going to be getting it like aisha is, all these years later. Oh, man, thats amazing. Tavis for those who dont know why you named him egypt, theres a reason behind this. Yes. Tavis so share. Well, i guess it was about 2007 or so. It was right before i did my as i am album. I went through a really, a tough time. I think i grew up really fast, i grew up in this really fast paced business, and i never understood what it meant to take a break or take time off or recover, and i paid for it. I got really kind of out of it and down, and i guess even depressed in some senses. I just remember i found myself in a place where all i was doing is crying, and it was like not me, because im a very bright, bubbly kind of person who sees the world as a half full place. So a good friend of mine told me you should take a break and you should go see the world. Go somewhere. That is when i chose to go to egypt, and so i took this beautiful trip to egypt. It was the First Time Ever in my whole life i took three weeks off, and i sailed down the nile and i saw the tombs and the temples, and i experienced a place that was so magical and so incredibly powerful and intelligent and inspiring. I think i found, by seeing all of that power and that beauty in those structures, i think i found a way to rebuild myself. When i came back i definitely had a stronger sense of who i was and what i wanted to change, and it was definitely the beginning of where i am now. So egypt really did that to me, so when i was pregnant and we were talking about names and everything, my husband, he was like, well, egypt is, like, such a big, important part of your life, why dont we name the baby egypt, whether its a boy or a girl . Egypt would be beautiful. When he said egypt, i was like, thats it thats it [laughter] he was egypt in the embryo stage for so long, so hes been egypt. Tavis thats cool. Thats a great story. I dont need to name names here because you know what im talking about, but to your point of growing up so fast in this business, youve been around a lot of people who have burned out, those artists who were once great who are no longer here, because along the way they had trouble navigating a certain aspect of their life. What have you taken from those persons who youve had access to when you talk of your own challenges and your own fears and your own troubles and travails . How are you managing it . Because to those on the outside, even though we know youre human and you have ups and downs, you are managing this, it seems, pretty well. Youre still putting out good music, youre married now and youve got a baby now, you seem at a good space. Thank you. Tavis youre transparent with all that in your lyrical content. So you seem to us to be well adjusted thank you. Tavis to all of this success. How are you navigating that . Its definitely a navigation, and i think most incredibly what ive discovered is that its all mental, which i guess life is all mental. It is your state of mind as to how your life becomes and is. So i guess that seems obvious, but i think that what happens in this world, somehow we get caught up in this place where things that dont really matter start to matter, and it starts to get confusing as to like what you hold true to yourself. So for me, i think a lot of that comes from being raised by a really incredible woman. I was is and and she is nononsense, and shes phenomenal and shes incredible, and shes always kept me in line. I think that part of that has been really good for me, you know what i mean . So i have a really strong, grounded sense, just from beginning. I think another big part of how ive navigated is where i grew up. I grew up in a pretty tough neighborhood. I grew up around drugs, alcohol, prostitution, i grew up around everything, and i think part of seeing that from really young has made me really steer very far away from it in all of its forms. So i think thats kind of been a big help for me, and i think being really connected to a higher power, of having a spirituality to me, has been really good for me and i pray all the time. I also think that ive been fortunate to be able to like just last night i was saying the most important thing is to be proud of the work that you put into something, and put the ego aside. I think its the ego in us that screws us up. So i think about that a lot and i really want to Stay Grounded to the real things in life. I really dont want to get caught up in the things that dont mean anything, because at the end of the day, so many things that we hold so much value with. It just doesnt even mean anything, so why take yourself on that trip . So i really try to stay focused on being really positive about i read this thing on my tea the other day. It said be happy every day you have breath. Yeah, right . Tavis pretty basic, but thats what its about, thought. So, it sounds simple but its kind of true. Tavis yup. So it helps me just stay, like, focused. Tavis you said stay focused twice now. When you were a child, tell me how you did that. I ask this, alicia, in part because i believe that every child, every one of us is gifted and talented in our own unique ways. Me too. Me too. Tavis most of us have, if not two parents, at least a parent in the house, and so many kids like you have grown up or are growing up right now in difficult neighborhoods. Right. Tavis so what separates you from so many of the others, that you were able to stay focused and find your way to your gift and then to enhance that gift and now to exploit that gift in a very beautiful way . So how did you in that neighborhood, in those surroundings, with a single mom, how did you stay focused . Thats 50 50, because a lot of that, sometimes i feel ive asked myself that question too, and there are so many things where i realize, like, simple circumstance, like the simple choice that i made one night to not do that and to do this, one night could have changed everything. I dont really know why i didnt make that choice, but im hoping that i followed some type of instinct that was e mewherdeep down in there that was shouting at me real loud, and i was like, mm, and so i went the other way. But its as simple as that, and sometimes i think about that so much. So i think following my instinct has proven to lead me in the right direction, and its hard to hear sometimes, because its a noisy world and theres a lot of people talking to you. But i think that thats a big part of it. Again, i think there was something about being in a tough environment that gave me a certain drive. Like i knew what i didnt want really early, really early, i knew what i didnt want. I knew who i didnt want to, what i didnt want to have to do, or who i didnt want to emulate. I think definitely, fortunately for me i did have a really strong mother, and i think even if your family i tell people who i speak to a lot even if your family just because theyre blood doesnt mean that they necessarily give you the best advice. Even if your family isnt quite there for you, find the people that support you and hang on to those people and try to let go of those that try to take you down. So i think because i had someone who was supportive to me, that helped me have just that other big of confidence, to try to, like, keep going. Tavis since you obviously know when magic is happening, what does that mean for you . Just take me inside your studio. On any given night, the clock strikes midnight and you know that magic is happening, so youre going to stick around a little longer. Whats that actually mean . How does that feel on the inside . Whats that like . Well, it feels really good, and you notice instantly that your energy is reverberating, is the way i can describe it, and theres, like, something that you could feel it but you cant see it. So theres things that are unfolding, so maybe if its something lyrical, say like im in the middle of writing something, or im with a collaborator and were working on something, working on some ideas and were kind of, and you can feel that theres an energy thats going back and forth and its going back and forth. Then that leads you to the next thing, like okay, well, when this is done we have to go in there and make sure that we put, like let me put this piano down so i can put the next thing. And wait, could you put some, do you hear some and its just like an energy thats happening that tavis so its clicking, yeah. Everything starts leading to the next thing, and basically what happens is you dont Pay Attention to the time anymore. Tavis i got it. [laughter] and then its 5 00. And then whatever time it is, it is, but you know, like, youre in it and youre not forcing it. Its, like, natural. Its natural. Its just happening. Its natural. And then there it is. Tavis you mentioned collaborating. This, to my mind, and you might you know your stuff better than i do. I know it fairly well. But to my mind, this is one of the most collaborative projects that youve done. I tavis yeah. It is, ive never done a collaborative tavis yeah, not this stuff. Ive never done a no, i havent, and like i said, there was something that i wanted to start to see what would happen when i would combine with people that were from totally different spaces than me. It was just something, it was an experiment, i guess, and also a practice of just kind of like being free, not being contained. I think sometimes we get so comfortable, like, being, or doing whatever we do. This is how we do it, and then we come home at this time and then we do this thing, and then i only do that, and then i kind of go here. So were so comfortable. Tavis but they say if it aint broke, dont fix it, and your stuff aint been broke. Its true, and i tavis i just hacked up the english language, didnt i . Yo stuff aint been broke. [laughter] so why do you go try to fix it with some it worked, but it seems to me theres some risk involved. When you know your stuff is clicking, then why collaborate . Because it feels like i needed to. Tavis right. And it feels like i wanted to. I wanted to see what happened. Like, heres as far as i can take it. Now where can you take it . I dont know you, so what would happen when you take it . Now, do i like it . I love what happens when we just thats crazy, i would have never been able to think of that had we not done that together. So i think theres an energy about just remaining excited. Like, you cant be excited when youre not doing something new. Youre at your most purest, most innocent, pure state when youre doing something youve never done before. Youre scared a little, youre a little vulnerable, youre kind of trying, and then youre also better, because youre trying harder than you maybe would try. Trying hard in the sense not like, not to say that in an incorrect way, where its like youre manufacturing or trying, but like youre giving your best energy to it. So i think it was really important for me to do this, because i think i learned a lot and i found myself in places id never been before. I found myself in sonic zones id never been before. I found myself in lyrical depths and oceans that id never swam before. I was like, whoa. Theres something really exciting about that. So if i can remain excited about the music that im giving you, then youre damn sure going to be excited about it. So im very excited. Can you feel it . Tavis i feel it. Okay. [laughter] tavis i feel it, and so does everybody in this room, and through the television, for that matter. One of the things that i have always and i said this about you. I remember you came out on the scene and india. Arie came out on the scene, and there were others around that time. But just specifically for this part remember the two of you years ago, and it seems like a long time now, because you guys have been doing it so well for so long. Thank you. Tavis but when you first came out i remember saying that the thing that i liked about you and again, india, as an example, is that both of you were writing your stuff, you were playing instruments. Yes. Tavis that to me spoke to a certain kind of control that you had over your career that another artist might not have if theyre not writing stuff, if theyre not playing instruments. Thats not to say you cant be a great artist, but theres something that turned me on about the fact that here was an artist who was in control of her own content, and as a result, i thought had a good chance of being able to, with some good help, manage her brand into the future. Right, yes. Tavis thats the way i felt about it. How have you processed the success of your career, and at the epicenter of that you being able to dictate, because you are not just a voice, youre all the other stuff as well. Its part of what i find is my greatest pride, and also i find that im so grateful that i can play and that i can execute what i hear in my head, because thats the tricky part. You hear this thing, but how do you get it out . Like, how do you bring it forth . I think of it almost like a child, like we were talking about my son the other day, and some kids were going outside and he wanted to go outside, and he was like, he really just wanted to say dont leave me, but he didnt quite know how to put it together, so it came out more just like a cry. So thats kind of how it is with music. How do you make it real . Theres this thing in some other area and in another stratosphere, but how do you make it real . So im really grateful that im able to play and im able to write so that i can execute what it is that im thinking and feeling and hearing, and make it come to life. Proudefinitely, im very of that. Im very proud of india for that too. I just saw her at this incredible show called black girls rock, and not only did she have the guitar and this amazing song that was like, i was like, i love this girl, but she pulled out the flute, you know what i mean . And so tavis flute . My point is is shes learning and shes growing and shes orchestrating her sound and her emotions and her feeling and its her, and i think there is something really inspiring about that, youre right, and im glad that i can do that as well. Tavis i mentioned the word brand a moment ago, and you are not are; you have become that now. Tennis shoes tell me all the stuff you got out there now . Youve got shoes. Well, okay, well, you asked me to tell you, right . Tavis im asking you. Okay. Tavis im giving you the space to just riff. Well tavis so you got reebok shoes. I do. Ive done a collaboration with reebok, which has been incredible designing. I just developed a childrens application thats called the journals of mama mae and leelee. Its really incredible. Its a digital book that also is almost like a movie with a Gaming Experience as well, where each time a new book comes out it updates your application in the bookshelf. So the whole epicenter is this girl leelee, her bedroom. Youre able to play her piano, write in her journals, download music from the apps that ive also written and done a part of the score, and so its a whole world, and its unlike anything else, and im really proud of it. Ive also gotten heavy into production as well, not only with my music but with film and television, so i produced tavis and broadway plays. My first broadway play called stick fly. Tavis i saw that. I went to see it. Which i loved tavis and paid. Thank you. Tavis youre welcome. And also producing film and television. We did a madefortv movie on lifetime called firelight, and we just finished our First Independent film directed by george tillman, starting jennifer hudson, Anthony Mackey and Jeffrey Wright that just got into sundance, called the inevitable defeat of mister and pete that ill also be scoring, which im really excited for too, because ive never fully scored a film. So this is my first time accessing that place, and i think its really im for me to, like, do that. Tavis you can stop now. And then no. [laughter] tavis she is a very, very busy artist and wife and mother. Thank you. Tavis fortunately for us, shes still doing the music thing. I love the music more than everything. Tavis her new project sorry. Tavi is calledgirl onire from alicia keys. I am so happy for you. Thank you. Tavis and im glad you came to see us. Im so glad to be here. Tavis and congratulations. I appreciate it. Tavis come back again. I will. Tavis all right. You got enough stuff to talk about, so come back when you want. Thats our show for tonight. You can download our app in the itunes app store. Ill see you back here and mine. Tavis next time on and hers too, yeah. Shes learned this promotion thing. Until next time, thanks for watching, and as always, keep the faith. 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