keep all of these connections open to the people that you care about. so obviously a big part of our mission is just connected all these different people in the world. and one of the things that we are really proud of is that now 1800 million people around the world are using facebook. every month and perhaps even crazier, it's mind blowing from my perspective but more than half a billion people use facebook every day. and i just think that is crazy. >> 500 million. >> it is growing every day. >> we conclude this evening with the beach boys, brian wilson, mike love, al jarredine, bruce johnston, david marksment they are on tour and they have a 29 studio album out called that's why god made the radio. they'll be with us here together in the studio. >> there's some nostalgic elements to it. but as you point out, there's also newness to it. but you know, we've been around so long, five decades. all the different types of music we've done whether it's, you know, silly and fun like a barber ann or monster mash we covered. but there's so many different elements and they find their way on to this album. >> that is a good point it covers every genre through the decades from rock 'n' roll to blues, to jazz, the beach boys have covered every style of music. >> we grew up in southern california t was a very special environment. how do you get to the beach. you go by car. and so we listed to all these young guys lusted after all these great cars. and powerful, fantastic cars. and then we had our school life. so those were the initial subject matter that we put in the songs. but then brian like a duck to water took off through and became this fantastic producer in just a very short order. and so then the songs became a little more complex. we always had that good harmony but he had that, that love of the four freshman, complicated four part harmonis. and that distinguishes the beach boys from any other pop group is the sophistication and the elaborate harmonies. >> the muss thake keeps us young. >> you see yourself on stage, and come out to that applause. it takes you back to that well spring, we call it, of energy. >> face bok and the beach boys. how good is that, when we. coue nt.in funding for charlie rose was provided by the following: . >> additional funding provided by these funders. and by bloomberg of multimedia news and information services worldwide captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. facebook founder and c.e.o. mark zuckerberg and chief operating cheryl sandberg rang the opening bell this morning, a few hours later facebook became the third largest ipo in u.s. history. the social media company zuckerberg started in his dorm room in 2004, only eight years ago, is now valued at $104 billion. facebook offered 421.2 million shares for $38 each raising $16 billion for itself and stakeholders. shared opened about 11% higher after trading started but fell as low as the $38 ipo price in the first half hour of trading. >> stock offerings don't usually become tourist attractions. >> we just came to see what all the comotion was about. >> but outside the nasdaq marketsite in no times square today a crowd gathered to watch facebook go public. >> our mission is to make the world more open and connected. >> on the other side of the country at facebook headquartered in california, founder mark zuckerberg addressed employees of the social network that now has 900 million monthly users. >> in the past eight years, all of you out there have built the largest community in the history of the world. >> on his own facebook page, zuckerberg posted listed a company on nasdaq. >> let's do this. >> and then by remote he rang the opening bell. more than 570 million shares would change hands today. outside nasdaq cynthia smith said it was a good investment. >> you get in on the ground floor and you know, you would be a fool not to get it like apple. >> but others weren't calling their brokers. not sally booker. >> facebook doesn't produce a product so one has to ask why so much money. >> and after rallying briefly, the most anticipated new stock in years ended the day about where it began,. >> was this a fizzle n effect. >> this was not a successful ipo. >> max wolf was an economist with green crest capital. >> the average first day is about a 15% gain overall. and then even larger, about 25% gain. and we have basically a nothing percent gain. so they unveiled the great new starlet of the tech world here and she fell on the red carpet. she tripped and fell. >> still zuckerberg made more than $20 billion today and the stock offering values facebook at $104 billion. more than amazon, disney and starbucks. >> an that's the problem some analysts say, facebook is being valued for its promise, not for its performance. and in the market today investors just weren't ready to pay that heavy a premium. >> and anthony was facebook ever in danger of falling below that $38 mark? >> it actually tested that level twice today, particularly as the closing. analysts say it was interesting. it looked like the banks rushed in to prop it up. they didn't want facebook closing on its opening day below its offering price. that would have been a huge embarrassment. >> no doubt, anthony, thank you. also making a lot of money on the facebook ipo are the winkel vos twins, remember they famously fought legal battles with zuckerberg over who came up with the idea for facebook. the three men now have facebook shares totaling about $300 million. and it was a really beautiful day for bono, the lead singer of the rock group u2. an investment group he could owns bought 2% of facebook in 2009. today the group made nearly $1.5 billion when the stock went public. >> i eninterviewed mark and cheryl in menlo park california late last year. here is part of that interview as they talk about-facebook and the future. so what's the vision, where is this thing going? >> so the stated mission of the company is to make the world more open and connected, right. and the idea is that when you give people the stability to stay connected with all the people they care about and you make it so they can express new things about themselves or in communication with other people who they care about, then you just open up all these new possibilities. you make it so people can stay connected in ways they couldn't before. you can learn about new things whether events happening in the world or abilities to organize new things or learn about new products or new movies or music they want to listen to. it opens up a lot of new possibility when you can keep all of these connections open to the people that you care about. so obviously a big part of our mission is just connecting all of these different people in the world. and one of the things that we are really proud of is that now 800 million people around the world are using facebook. every month. and perhaps even crazier, it's mind blowing from my perspective but more than half a billion people use facebook every day. and i just think that's crazy. >> 500 million. >> 500 million people and it's growing every day. and if you just look back seven years from when we were getting started, there would have been no way that we would have thought -- >> when you were in your dorm room. >> i used to talk to a lot of my friends when i was in college. we used to gout to get pizza every night. we used to talk about what we thought was going to happen in the world on the internet. and we thought that there would be something like this, right, it seemed pretty much inevitable that people would have a way to connect and that they would be able to express all these things and that there would be tools to make not just a social network but that every product that you use is better off with your friends. we figured there would be tooling to do that. but the big surprise is we played a big role in making that happen. when we were in college we just figured who are we to do this. >> what is it about that people want to be on facebook. they want to talk about themselves. what is the sort of essence of that? >> i think that people just have this core desire to express who they are. >> right. >> i think-- it's always existed. one of the things that i think makes us human. but yeah, obviously to knows what's going on with your friends' lives. not just your friends but people you care about. you know people who are interested or are your friends, maybe on the periphery of your social circle. yeah, i think that those are all just core human needs. and until facebook there wasn't a great tool for doing that. but i think that a lot of that is building that up was the last five years. i think the next fiviers is going to be about okay now are you connected to all these people, now you can have a better movie listening experience, a better movie watching experience, you can see what your friends are reading and learn what news you should read first. all of these things i think are going to get better. that's the thing that i'm most excited about for the next five years. if we do well, i think five years from now people are going to really look back and say wow, over the last five years all these products have now gotten better because i'm to the doing this stuff alone, i'm doing it with my friends. >> and it's personal. it's not just in bringing your friends with you, it becomes personal to you. if you look at how people use most of the web. most products out there, even if you are logged in, if i looked over your two shoulders, you see the same stuff. because it's basically produced for the masses. >> is the key to the modernization of the future the fact that advertisers will believe this is the best way to reach people, are likely to buy their products. >> so marketers have always wanted, you know, personal relationships with consumers or relationships where consumer does two things. consumer buy their products and consumers tell their friends that they buy their products. marketers have always been looking for that person who is not just going to buy but spread the word to their friends. what we do on facebook is we enable marketers to find that and then if i do it on facebook i'm sharing with an average of 130 people. and so it becomes word of mouth marketing at scale. so people can tell each other what they like, which is for marketers the thing they've been looking for i think for a long time. >> so then why do you want to be a public company? why do you even think about an ipo? >> i actually think the biggest thing for us is that a big part of being a technology company is getting the best engineers and designers and talented people around the world. and one of the ways that you can do that is you compensate people with equity or options. so you get people who want to join the company, both for the mission, to believe that facebook is doing this awesome thing and they want to be a part of connecting everyone in the world. but also if the company does well, then they get financially rewarded and can be set. and you know, we've made this implicit promise to our investors, and to our employees, that by compensating them with equity and by giving equity that at some point we will make that equity worth something publicly and liquidly n a liquid way. now the promise isn't that we are going to do it on a short term time horizon. the promise is we will build this company that is great over the long term. >> rose: do you know that governments because of that are trying to shut down facebook, in terms of access? >> there are examples intermittently throughout the world all the time. but. >> and there are places we're not available. china is obviously the big one. >> how do you see that going into china. if it requires some sense of censorship does that make it a don't go? >> you know, if your mission is to connect the entire world for all of the time you can't connect the whole world and not china. that's not something we're working on to focus on right now because it's not a decision we have to make. so you are correct that when and if we go into china -- >> we will have issues but since for right now we're not available and we don't have immediate pass to become available, it's not, it's either not policy decision wes have to make. >> so it's not on the immediate horizon. >> not on the immediate horizeon,. >> is it because of what happened to google? >> so it's not really our choice, it's the government's choice, you know. we're not available because they have chosen -- >> because they acted a certain way you have chosen not to go there. >> no-- yeah. i mean at some point i think there would be some discussion around what it would take to go there. and at that point we would have to figure out whether we were willing to do that. but honestly the way we look at it now is there are so many other places in the world where we can connect more people, more easily without having to face those hard questions. that i think a simple rule in business is, if you do the things that are easier first, then you can actually make a lot of progress. i assume, you know, we talked about running facebook for the long-term and over the decades in which we hoped to run and build facebook to be a great company, i would imagine this will be a question that we have to answer. but right now, there's still so much room for growth and a lot of other countries that it's just not the top thing that we're worried about. >> let me talk about what you know about all of us. it is this notion that constantly comes up. is there anything you do not want to know about. >> i just don't even think we think about it that way. >> tell me to think about it in the right way how you think about it because the like button, you know -- >> it is a powerful tool. >> it's not for us, though, right. it's for advertisers. >> for advertisers. >> this is a core part of what makes facebook facebook. is that we really are focused on users first. and for the long-term. we believe that if we build a product where people can connect and can express all the things they want about themselves that over the very long-term we'll have a lot of people doing that because that's a core human thing where people want to do that and it will be very active and we'll have opportunities to sell advertising and do all these things and build a great business. but none of that is the leading thing we're pushing are for, what we are pushing for is the mission. we think if we succeed on that we'll build a great business. now if, i just think there is this core part of people where they want to express things about themselves. so the question isn't what do we want to know about people, it's what do people want to tell about themselves. and we try to answer that question continuously. what do people want to tell about themselves that they can't tell now. we think this year that one of the big things that people want to express that they haven't had a way to, what are my favorite songs, and different media that i consume. there is no way for you to type in, okay, my favorite band is greenday or the beatles or whatever. but there hasn't been a way to say okay, out of all the songs i've listened to in the last month, here are the top ones. but in the month or so since we've launched that functionality on top of platform, people have already chose ten to publish more than a billion songs that they listened to into facebook, through partners. it's amazing. and it's because they want to do that. >> and it's really important to understand that we don't want people to express anythingment we want them to have an opportunity to express what they want to express to the people they want to express it. so privacy has been very core to this service. i think it's actually one of the big innovations facebook had. if you think about on-line services before facebook, they're basically open or closed. you know, something you publish on a blog, blog association you are open or close, facebook was the first place that one of the core innovations mark has is actually around privacy. i can take this photo, of the three of us here. i can share it just with my parents. i can share it just with my little group of my high school girlfriend os or i can share it with all of facebook or the whole world. and every single time you share something on facebook you have an opportunity to choose who you are sharing it with. >> yes. >> and that commitment to our users, that their trust is sacred, that privacy is the most important thing we do. >> how is your culture different from the culture that you saw at google? what is the facebook culture? >> you know, when i this i about this, if you compare facebook and google to, you know, most of the world, right, to other companies and other industries, we're actually in some ways incredibly similar. they are founder led, silicon valley-based technology companies that have -- >> in its little silicon valley bubble that we live we they are totally different. >> how so. >> a couple things. one is that, you know, google is fundamentally about-- google is fundamentally about, you know, algorithms and machine learning. and that has been very important, continues to be very important. they are doing a great job. we start from a totally different placement we start from an individual. who are you. you know, what do you want to do. what do you want to share. you know, for us the vision of the world is that we are like a hacking culture. and we mean that in the best of ways. we do not mean scary people breaking into your home or anything. >> or espionage. >> or espionage wa, we mean is we build things quickly and we ship them. so we are not aiming for perfection that comes over, you know, years and we ship a product. we don't work on things for years and then ship it. we work on things, we ship them, we get feedback from the people who use it, we get feedback from the world, we iterate, iterate, iterate well. have these great signs around. you know, done is better than perfect. what without you do if you weren't afraid. we're very much a culture. >> that the notion of perfect is the enemy of good. >> yeah. and a culture of very, very rapid, very rapid innovation. >> it is really different from a culture where you are already taking the web and your primary mission is i want to organize everything that is out there. we have this culture where we place a really big premium on moving quickly, right. and one of the big theories that i had about that was that all technology companies, and probably all companies just slow down dramatically as they grow. but if we can focus at every step along the way in moving quicker, then maybe when we're around 2500 or 3,000 people now, you know, maybe we move as quickly as, you know, a company that only has 500 people, right. because we've invested so much in building up the infrastructure and tools. and also the culture that tells people to take risks and try things out. i just think that that ability to build stuff quicker won't be a big advantage for us. and will help us build better products in the long-term. >> i want to talk about the future and competition. there are many people who look to silicon valley and they say there are four platforms out here. it's amazon, apple, google, facebook. what we are going to witness over the next ten years is a flat out war between the four of you, for the future. how do you see that? >> i mean, people like to talk about war. there's a lot of ways in which the companies actually work together there are real competitions in there. but i don't think that this is going to be the type of situation where there's one company that wins all this stuff. >> but you are already getting in each other's businesses. >> i mean -- >> yes and no. >> there is something called google plus. >> yes, and no. i mean i think you know google i think in some ways is more competitive and certainly is trying to build their own little version of facebook. but you know, when i look at amazon and apple, i see companies who were extremely aligned with us. and we have a lot of conversations with people at both companies just trying to figure out ways that we can do more together. and there's just a lot of resense there. i can't think of an apple product or an amazon product that i look at and is like oh that is really impressive. >> amazon just announced a new kindl fire. >> i know, to compete with the ipad. >> that's cool. i know we don't have any-- there are no borders out here in terms of what you might want to do, come on, cheryl. >> there are no borders for us, certainly. we want everything to be social. and we want, prefer everything to be social with facebook. and so for us, you know, our goal is really to work across. we want to work on every tablet. >> this is the important part. >> and apple and amazon, you know, god bless they can compete. >> you want to be seen ton. >> that's right. so if you are amazon, one of the big strategies is sell kindl so you can sell more things, right. if you are apple, a big part of your strategy is sell devices because that is how make money. if are you google they want to get android as widely a dodd as possible. >> therefore they go out and they buy motorola. >> yeah. >> for example. >> and there are rumors that microsoft may buy nokia or something like that. >> sure. but our goal is not to build a platform, it's to be across all of them. because our mission is to help people connect and stay connected with people no matter what device these are on. >> this is really important, to actually get back to the differences. there is one thing that i think is most important that is true of facebook which is that we are focused on doing one thing incredibly well. we only really want to do one thing. >> social media. >> connect the world. >> next woke we continue our look at facebook and what this new ipo al jardine and bruce johnston and david marks. i am pleased to have them here at this table. it is a great pleasure for me. they are on tour. ♪ i wish they all could be california girls ♪ ♪ i wish they all could be california girls ♪ ♪ i wish they all could be california girls ♪ ♪. >> rose: what did you have to know or believe in before you would come back together? >> well, i had to get myself prepped to work with these guys. so it's been like i don't know how many years now, 25, 30 years since i've been with them. >> rose: tell me more about coming back together. >> i'm a fan. i'll go anywhere these guys are. i just happen to be one of the beach boys. >> it's all about give an take. everybody had their own solo careers that they were workinging with. and we all had to give something up in order to bring it bag together. and i always told the fans that some day we would do this. and we are doing it for them. >> rose: doing it for the fans. >> yeah. i've always traveled freely between all the camps. i've played with mike and bruce and their incar nation, bruins musicians, al and i have a band that we go out with. and i was fortunate enough to move across the street from the wilsons and their cousin mike love when i was a very small child. i'm in the band by defought. >> by zip code. >> yeah, by zip code. >> and how does it feel now? have you been in the studio to be on tour. >> well, when we listen back to that's why god made the radio which brian had been working on for quite some time and give us all our parts. listening back in the studio, it was just like 1965 again, to me. and the whole, the title itself, that's why god made radio, was kind of uplifting to sing. >> where does the title come from? >> well, it came from george thomas, actually. >> had a hand in putting all this together. >> collaborator. >> yeah. >> rose: tell me about deciding what they wanted to say. >> mussically. >> rose: yes. >> well, we wanted to capture each song has a different way of, you know, expressing the same thing am but we have like eight or ten songs, an assortment of songs, a election of songs i might say. >> rose: and the most satisfying thing about it is to see an audience member out there that remembers the old and is ready for the knew? fair to say. >> well, besides that, you've got us, grown children and their children all seeing a lot of the anthems with us at our concert. it's pretty amazing. >> rose: does it remind you of previous times? >> well, there's elements of, you know, nostalgia there. but it's like a whole unique situation now. with the passing of time. and yet we're all together creating those harmonies which so many people love and know. it's really an amazing thing to look out at the audience and see the joy that represented there. or the melancholeement some of the songs are, you know, like brian did last night at the beacon theatre. he did i just wasn't made for these times. the band sounds fantastic. the backup band and ourselves. it was really, really quite a moment. >> the harmonies. >> that's the one constant. people identify with that. and after shows people come up to me and say, they sing their children to sleep to surfer girl and while we are playing you look out and you see little children, they know the worlds to help me rhonda and 80-year-olds dancing in the aisle, it's multigenerational and it just keeps live on its own,. >> also the way brian's voice s the harmonies, because that's a great piece of the art. besides the song writing and the production it's how he arranges the voices for us to sing. i mean you can be queen and have some pretty big impact with those harmonis. what brian does, i don't know how dow it. >> how do you do it,. >> we just crank it out. >> cranking out. >> regulars are more exciting than others. >> like rock man move someone described you as moz art and rock 'n' roll. they start playing a little-- he's probably channeling. >> mainly mozart. >> call these guys the gorge and ira gershwin of the 2,000, that is what they are. and brian hears things complete in his head and he's the only person i really know that acts immediately upon what he has heard in his head when we were just starting out. we hear something in the middle of the night and get up and wake everybody out rjs would you hear in the middle of night and wanted to hear the sounds you heard. >> immediate gratification. >> so what is it you think that you do best, brian. >> sing. >> is sing? >> yeah. my forte is singing. >> oh, come on. >> well, yeah. >> they know. >> oh, come on. >> maybe not singing, i guess producing. >> record production, it's record production, it's composition. >> performance. >> it's performance. it's writing-- i would say that would have to be your strongest suit. >> melody writing. >> melody. you write the most beautiful melodies. >> than anyone can imagine and then you arrange it and then you produce it. and then you sing it. i mean how much more could you do for god's seek. give us something. >> and then we go and have nice houses. thank you. >> you must miss your brothers though. >> very much so, yeah, i do. especially carl. he i was very fond of him. >> we do a tribute in the show where we have the video of dennis singing his song forever. and carl doing the song that brian wrote, god only knows. and we back them up. and they're on the screen there. >> so they're all a part of the reunion. >> i didn't realize until literally today that in a sense, pet sounds was based on one of the beatles albums. >> rubber soul. >> yeah, when i heard that i was so blown away. >> all these great songs you heard and you said i can do that. >> yeah. >> then they heard pet sounds, i guess it was john lennon who called you up and says, that's the best thing i've ever heard. and then they made sar sergeant pepper. >> they sure did. >> there was a story about that. >> i took a couple recordings of pet sounds that haven't been released. and keep them introducing them to leno-- i played the album, played it again. and the first effect of hearing pet sounds on them was in the revolver album, here, there and everywhere. they kind of distilled the vibe of wouldn't it be nice into that song, you know, they loved it. >> but smile was to be the master piece. >> smile. >> yeah. >> it was a labor of love. >> not my favorite album, to tell you the trust. >> really. >> some reason summer nights and-- well, you know, whatever. >> it's a lifetime. >> right. >> yeah, tell me about the new album in terms that's why god made the radio. and what went into it. >> we originally got together last year and did do it again. which is kind of self-explanatory almost. it's a theme of what we are doing. like we have been opening our show, do it again. which brian and i wrote and what was it, 68? yeah. and during the doing of that, once we basically had it well under way, he went over the piano and brian played some harmonies that we actually sang some background os on a few tracks that he had had for the new album and here goes these cord progressions. oh, wow, this is like nothing, i meantime may have gone by but nothing changed in terms of brian's ability to structure those harmonies. and it's very impressive and to hear them back. i mean he knows intimately all our voices. he knows where al is strongest. where bruce does his thing. >> all the ranges. >> i like doing the bass part, the low part on many of the balance adds. and so just that was kind of like the precursor of the what we were going to do with this album. so that was last year. and then more recently, early this year we got together in the studio, hollywood and started completing all these songs. >> i was given its task of writing a few words and a few songs. >> some people say it's new and different and it's not just the old but they're a new, striking new ground here. >> well, they're all new songs. >> some of the critics look at it and say it is the old t is the sound t is the harmony t is brian, it is the-- but at the same time it's new. >> as will you probably won't believe this but most of us haven't heard the album. >> that's an innocent question. >> he has heard it. >> we haven't heard a sequence. >> some of it, we have more or less delegated the final product to those who are more objective, possibly. but on those that i performed on, i mean we kind of were dropped in, we are like, i'm like the hitman on a certain rage. and my specialty, we all have this, bruce has this wonderful way of-- david does guitar s so the entire project hasn't entirely been assembled in art. even when i do interviews i'm not even sure what they're talking about but i articulate, i can articulate that it's a work to me it reminded me of pet sounds. i guess to answer your question. i get the pet sounds vibration. >> dow feel that, brian that it reminded him there is a connection to pet sounds here? >> well, i'm not really sure where he's at as far as the sounds. >> how beautiful the percussion works. >> the percussion was outstanding. >> al's a great singer. a very, very good singer. and he's a lot of fun to write songs for, you know. >> thank you. >> you know, this album, each cut sounds and kind of like a movie soundtrack, maybe. my famous line it's become, has become every song reminded you of driving down the coast in a convertible on a sunny day down the coast of california. that's the feel ug get from each of the songs, driving music, right. >> beaches in mind. >> as that kind of feeling. >> isn't it time, beaches in mind, there's some-- there's some nostalgic elements to it but as you point out, there's also newness to it. but you know, we've been around so long, five decades, that all the different types of music we've done whether it's, you know, silly and fun like a barber ann or monster mash, we covered, back in the years. >> but there's so many different elements. and they find their way on to this album, i think. >> a good point it covers every genre through the decades from rock 'n' roll to blues to jazz. i mean the beach boys have covered every style of music. >> the heavy liftsing though is writing it. that's the heavy lifting. >> brian comes-- writing comes slow t doesn't come easy, even for you. >> right. >> yeah, but i can remember brian and i getting together and brian, that song do it again. or being at his house in hawthorne writing the warmth of the sun in 1963. or at the very beginning brian was forced to write four albums in two years by capital records. >> '63 to '65. >> and de it, to all of his amazement he did it he came through and wrots four albums in two years. >> i joined the band in '65, we made three albums, and toured. so we had summer day, summer nights, the party album and pet sounds in like 11 months, you know. >> was that too much though. >> not when you're young. the girls are cute. you just go oh, this is really cool. >> but in the studio in the morning wasn't some of fun. >> he had some surge urgent things for us to do and he didn't what time it was. >> come on, record it. >> was it because some of was happening, why did you feel the urgency to do so much? >> well, when you're young you can't get enough, you know. >> and the band was hot. you were all over the radio. i was so glad to get in the band. my early recordings like california girls and i would hear it on the radio ten minutes later. i mean it was heavy stuff, three albums in one year and pet sounds is the third album. really cool, really cool. >> i was 14 when surfing safari came out on the radio. i remember i was at dinner with.parents and it came on the radio for the first time and i stuck my head and screamed like a little girl. i was so excited. >> brian and i ran over to my house, i remember from el camino when we were in our second year of college. and this little junior college in l.a. and we go over to my mom's house and listen the top 40 on kfwb, 12 noon, there it was, top ten. couldn't believe it we were just blown away. >> rose: i want to you see this i chr. this is on the 50th anniversary tour performing that's why god made the radio. ♪ ♪ that's why god made ♪ that's why god made ♪ that's why god made ♪ the radio ♪ that's why god made ♪ that's why god made ♪ that's why god made ♪ the radio ♪ that's why god made ♪. >> i just remember now it was jazz palmeri who said the mozart of pop, the arson wells of rock was george gershwin of his generation. >> i will buy that but the other -- >> you buy because of the composition. >> right. >> one time we were here in the '90s and remember you had to get in the car with you. and we were driven to gersh win's house. remember that, we just -- >> i remember. >> you remember that. >> yeah but you can really identify with him. >> oh pie god, he's my hero. >> brian did a gershwin project. >> what was that? >> what was gershwin's project. >> i loved you porgy, summertime. all the great ones. >> when did you guys meet, you were cousins. >> oh, well, we met kind of when brian was born. >> i remember that. >> i'm the oldest of six kids. -- mashied el emily wilson, the sister of murray wilson. murray wilson was brian dennis, karlts's dad so we've known each other all our lives. in fact my first memories of brian singing was sitting on grandma wilson's lap and he was singing danny boy. he must have been like six years old. >> and did you two see the-- did you see the beach boys the same way? >> well, it's hard to say because i think we were asked originally to do a folk song by our produce never l.a. and we said well we like peter, paul and mary but we're not really into folk. we're more into r&b and rock 'n' roll so let us come up with a song. back to brian's house we came up with surfing. and we came back and played what, carl was the only one that really-- he played guitar and brian and i wrote the song with surfing and within a month or so was out on the radio. and went to i think number two in l.a.. >> i was going surfing sitting in my car in san diego, i grew up in element. a, at swamies an i thought now, ventures would be putting in the sur ofing movies now when i heard it on the radio, i thought, now my sport has a voice. it's so great. >> so the thing is we grew newspaper southern california. it was a very special environment. we had the sur ofing yes, but how do you get to the beach, you go by car. so we all these young guys lusted after all these great cars, you know. and powerful, fantastic cars. and then we had our school life so those were the initial subject matter that we put into songs. but then brian, like a duck to water, took off through the -- and became this fantastic producer and just a very short order. and so then the songs became a little more complex. we always had that good harmony but he had that love of the four freshman, complicated four part harmon ease and that distinguishes the beach boys from any other pop group is the sophistication and the elaborate harmonies. >> actually started singing for freshman arrangements around the piano before the surfing stuff. we were really doing that first. brian loved the-- we did this beautiful piece called their hearts were full of spring it was our piece -- >> did you have to audition that song for your mom. >> yes, to borrow money to make the record. we auditions for my mother. and-- when we knew we could nail her with this one. so we sang, i think we sang surfing first for her. and there were no chairs in the room, and we had to sit down on the floor because we all sat in a big circle like this, in a big circle, remember that i don't know if you remember. and we sang this beautiful that we melted her heart with that one am then we got off and sang surfing, and that nailed it and we had the money, got the $300 and rented the bass fiddle and the snare drum. >> i was just going to say, the marriage between the garage grudge electric guitars and brian's jazz vocal voicings, arrangements for freshman style together was, there was such opposites. it created such a unique sound that no one had ever really heard before. >> thus you have i get around. >> that kind of stuff, yeah. >> great, great arrangements. and it caught on. >> people just loved that new sound t was never heard like that before. >> so great. >> where did the title pet sounds come from? >> tell the story. >> completing the pet sounds album at the last tart there is a sound of a train and a dog barking. i was in the hall of the studios, western recorders in sunset boulevard. and we're wondering what should we call the album. and i said to brian, how about pet sounds because of the dog. that was it. and there is a double entendre, i mean, because it turned out to be, you know, one of the greatest albums of the rock music. >> however, this is what dennis said. in my opinion, talking smile n my opinion smile is so good it makes pet sounds stink. >> oh, wow, dennis, that's so funny. >> rose: you can imagine dennis saying that. >> i can imagine him saying anything. but -- >> putting-- excuse me, guys but listen sur of sound. and-- it's beautiful and will you hear the most brilliant compositional skills and execution of the vocals. it is brilliant. he's not wrong. >> no, but to put down pet sounds is not cool. >> pet sounds is a laid back, what would you call it -- >> dennis loved the shock value, perfection. smile is more direct. >> and emotional. >> it was like the sinatra, only the lonely nelson riddle album. so full of emotion. >> you have surfing and all of the excube rance of that but there was also a darkness too, was there not? there was a sense of probing, melancholee. >> melancholee, yeah you know, the-- says seisest instration-- inspiration, gemini which is brian writes through to the desperation but like sadness. and he-- brian can, i mean like on the warmth of the sun that song in '63, that, the sound, the chords, the melody was so melancholly. and the only thing i can come up with letterically is losing someone, losing the love that you once had with someone. so that's the perspective of writing there. so in my room has that sadness in it so you have the exuberance of the sur of usa where fun, fun, fun or i get around but you also had the sadness of an in my room and warmth of the sun and -- >> which were closest to you, the exuberance or the melancholly? >> both. >> yeah. >> gemini. >> we're talking about that yesterday. >> you i can't tell the difference, truly can to the tell the difference. >> what do you do when you feel bad and -- >> make another album. >> that's right. when you look back at the evolution of the group, i mean did all of you secretly hope that somehow this time would come and inn what you would get back together? because you all went your separate ways. and you all had your individual lives. >> i think somewhere in the heart of it all we want to be together and create those harmonis. >> because the beatles were the same way too. i actually believe that. >> yeah. there's probably no doubt about it. because even though you have an argument with somebody or disagreement or get on each other's nerves because you've been together too much, you always have your personalities but basically we're all about harmony. >> and does time heal all wounds in. >> absolutely. it's a family affair, brothers fight and they make up and that's how this situation is. >> the love was always there. the managers and lawyers. >> the distraction, the structural, from the arts. >> always people get in the middle. and it's up to us to want to come back together in spite of all the tension and the battles and i think it's paid off. i really enjoy working with brian again and mike. i think-- and bruce, of course. >> take a look at this. this is from, on tour ♪ everybody's gone sur ofing ♪ ♪ surfing usa ♪ dill deuce coup ♪ all the little ♪ she's my little deuce coup ♪ ♪ you don't know what i got ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ i love the water ♪ ♪ sail on, sail on, sail on. >> rose: you are going to go to japan. >> uh-huh, and australia, singapore, hong kong, europe, aruba, jamaica-- oh, sorry. >> rose: so what happens when the tour is over? another tour? >> take time off, who knows. >> i like to see us do every two years until we can't do it any more. tony bennett and i -- >> he's only 15 years. >> maybe every year. >> why not, see what happens. >> well, the thing is let's establish the fact that we have -- >> he's still got it. we can get it together. and go out and perform. people seem to respond incredibly. hollywood bowl sold out in a short order. >> rose: i'm sure. >> and the beacon sold out in a matter of hours. and so you know, all over the place there's a great reception because i think people want, they want to see us together. and i think it really works. i mean you know, it really works together. >> brian, do you believe you have plumbed the depth of your creative power? >> at what point. >> at this point. >> i think i'm still skiking. >> you're still kicking. >> still in touch with music, yeah. >> did you do anything, i mean to generate all the sounds and all the ideas and all the creative, creativity within. >> well, i can't hear the sound of my head. i can't do that. phil specter said co. i had to wait to hear over the speakers then i know where i was at. >> i don't know about that you told me once, sitting in the back of the bus, he said al, i just wrote a song without a poe ano. >> si did that one time. >> oh, ba loanee, oh my-- baloney. >> no, he's going modest. >> but there is a bit of truth to that in which told me once wa, it did to your brain, remember we had a conversation about lsd. >> well, that was the worst thing i ever did, take that drug, you know. >> because waf it did to -- >> yeah, it blew my brain t just put me out of business for a while. >> yeah. >> is this a happy time for everybody because we're back and you -- >> yeah, yeah. >> it's really fun singing together. it really is. i mean i-- i really appreciate doing it with all these guys. first of all the people at home, all of us are enormously happy but the idea that you can do that and to see that, you know, means that it almost means are you never old. >> it's really special, it really is. endless summer -- >> music keeps us young. >> it's the music that keeps us young, as soon as you set your is self on stage and come out to that applause, it cames you back to that well spring that we call it, of energy. it comes back. >> one last thing i want to see or hear, hear it is. ♪ and clothes you wear ♪ ♪ and the way the sunlight plays upon her head ♪ ♪ i hear the sound ♪ on the wind that through the air ♪ ♪ i'm picking up good vibrations ♪ ♪ she's giving me ♪ i'm picking up good vibrations ♪ ♪ she's giving me exaltation ♪ good, good, good ♪ good vibrations ♪ good, good, good ♪ good vibrations ♪ she's somehow closer now ♪ lovely smile ♪ i know she must be-- ♪. >> rose: there is not much to say except i'm eternally grateful for you guys coming here this day and to see you again brian. as i said for that memorable conversation we had people constantly remind me of it and i know they will talk about this one. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> thanks for having us. >> my pleasure. >> thank you. >> the beach boys, back again. thank you for joining us. see you next time. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org >> i'm ric ean