On face the nation. Captioning sponsored by cbs good morning welcome to face the nation im john dickerson. We sat down with donald trump at his home in palm beach shortly before the polls closed last night. Mr. Trump youre bringing a lot of new people in to the Republican Party, some people are saying they want to leave the Republican Party. What is your message to those who want to live. Good riddance . They shouldnt leave. They should get together and i think everybody should be unified and frankly were building up numbers that are incredible within the Republican Party. Youve been seeing whether its South Carolina or new hampshire, the numbers are astronomical. And i dont think they have ever dickerson by the way, democrats are losing. The democrats it is going down 35 and were going up 50 . Couple of states over 100 . Dickerson what do you make of the effort to try to take the nomination away from you . Maybe even by going to the convention . Im very surprised by it. Im very surprised hear about a third party because im going to i thought that would mean that hillary would win or whoever is going to be running. Youre going to have liberal judges probably as many as four or even five if you can believe that during this period of time. So, a third party means absolutely they will have four or five very liberal judges appointed as opposed to four or five very conservative judges. I think its really playing with fire. Dickerson they say they cant be in party with you. I dont understand that. I get along with people. Im a unifier, im very much a unifier maybe people dont see that but they will see that. My relationship to people has been great over the years. But again im new to politics. Ive been doing this now for seven months. I think ive done very good job in seven months. We have a tremendous number of people coming in and a tremendous number of people showing up to vote. The lines in all of these states that ive won have been record setting. Dickerson let moo me ask you about unifier in this very room said about paul ryan, that you hope get along with him but if you didnt, quote, hes going to have to pay a big price. Also asked about john mccain he has to be very careful. How can you be a unifier when youre saying those kind of things . I think you would pay big price, you have a split party. Hes done good job i may be more conservative than him im stronger on the border than him. But hes done a very good job, very much in fair of paul ryan because i think he did up as a unifier. He was chosen for that reason. Dickerson lot of people read that as a threat. Its not a threat. Dickerson let moo ask you about your position on torture, when we talked last week you shade general hayden was wrong then he said that military wouldnt follow you on the question of waterboarding and on the killing of terrorist families. In the debate you said if i say do it, they are going to do it. Talking about the military. On friday you said i will not you never asked me built violating laws in all fairness we were talking about i would say this. We have an enemy in the middle east that is chopping off heads and massive drownings. They dont play by the laws, theyre laughing at us right now. I would like to strengthen the laws so that we can better compete. Its very tough to beaten piece that dont have any dont have any restrictions, all right . We have these massive restrictions. Now i will abide by the law but i would like to have the law expanded. I would like dickerson how . Id like to i happen to think that when youre fighting an enemy that chops off heads, i happen to think this we should use something that is stronger than we have right now. Right now basically waterboarding is essentially not allowed as i understand it. Dickerson ud would like it to be. I would certainly like it to be at minimum at minimum to allow that. Dickerson why do you think i think we have become very weak and ineffective thats why not were in the beating isis. Dickerson you think people got rid of the law to be weak . No. I think that we are weak. I think were weak. We cannot beat eyes. We should beat isis very quickly. General at that time ton would have had them down. We are playing by a different set of rules. We are let me just put it differently. When isis people chop off the heads go back to their homes and they talk, and they hear were talking about waterboarding like its the worst thing they just drowned a hundred people and chopped off 50 heads, they must think we are a little bit on the weak side. Dickerson the reason that waterboarding was number of reasons but one was because worry was that if america does that then our soldiers, american hostages will be treated even worse thats the argument, what do you think that have . Killing ourselves when they capture them. Theyre doing that anyway. Do it you dont do it but were not playing by those did somebody tell isis, were going to treat your guys well would you please do us favor treat our guys well . They dont do that. Were not playing by we are playing by rules but they have no rules. Its very hard to win. Dickerson that would separate us from the savages. We have to beat the savages. Dickerson there for throw all the rules out. We have beat the savages. Dickerson by being savages. You have to play the game the way theyre waying the plame. Youre not going to win if we are soft and they are they have no rules. Dickerson how . Do all that have within the laws, but i think we have to increase the laws because the laws are not working obviously or r all you have to do take look what is going on. And theyre getting worse. Theyre chopping, chopping, chopping, were worried about waterboarding. I just think its i think our priorities are mixed up. Dickerson another topic. Paul ryan this week said, quotef a person wants to be nominee of the Republican Party there can they must reject any group or cause that is built on bigotry. But i have rejected. How many times do i have to reject. Ivory corrected david duke. I have rejected the kkk, the ku klux klan from the time im five years old i rejected them. I put it on twitter last week. How many times Amazing Things with twitter i have more than six million, i have another six million with Facebook Like 14 million with instagram. When i put out a minor message, everybody picks it up. Donald trump did let me explain. When i put out that i reject the kkk and david duke, nobody picks it up. You why they dont . They dont want. To you pick it up. Everyoneless picks it up. You saw. Practically at the same time. They dont want to pick it up. I have been asked this question so many times, i have rejected it so many times, in fact dickerson what do you think of ryan saying that, thats my i was i dont know, hes getting lot of his information from you guys. So when i tweet about the rejection, right after that show ended because maybe i wasnt clear or something. How many times do i have to say it. Forget i told cnn when Chris Christie endorsed me, very good endorsement, one of the questions my question was, i reject it there at News Conference was like day before. How many times did i have to reject or disavow. Dickerson let me ask you this, david duke saying to his supporters and followers, vote for donald trump, white supremacist, do you want though votes . I dont want them. I cant help if he says it f. He says it, but i dont want it and i dont if he says it johnf he says it he says it, okay. Do i want it, no. Dickerson you dont want the supporters . I dont like any group of hate. Hate groups are not for me. I said this before. The press hates me to say it. Dickerson you are thinking more about the general election, in december of last year you said, talking about Hillary Clinton, you said we view this as war. Then you asked the audience, dont we view this as word . Do you view it as war . A little bit, yeah. Highly competitive. Last person she wants to run against is me, i can tell that you. I know that. Sort of interesting one of your competitors said, i know that Hillary Clinton wants to run against donald trump. I called him i said, here is the story. If they say they want to run against me that means they dont want to run against me. Do you understand that . Because thats the way its like game of chess. But i know for a fact, you know for a fact, last person she wants to run against is me. Ive won numerous polls against hillary. Only one brief moment. Because that have moment, hillary went way, way down and bernie got credit for it. They said he was running a great campaign. Me that moment with her and bill, bernie would not be nearly as close. Bernie is not going to win, anyway. But she went way down in that period of time. And the last person she wants to run against is me i will tell you i will beat her. I beat her in a lot of polls as you know but people dont say that. Dickerson all right, run out of time. Thank you very much. Dickerson democrats held contests in three states. Senator Bernie Sanders won cautions in kansas and nebraska. Former secretary of state Hillary Clinton won in louisiana. Secretary clinton joins thus morning from detroit. Secretary clinton, you know what its like to be in a tough delegate battle the last time around. You stayed in it all the way to the end. Do you think theres anything wrong with Bernie Sanders stays in this fight all the way to the end . Well, you think thats up to him, john. Im just is very pleased where my campaign is right now. I was really gratified by the were feeling good about the upcoming contests. And i really put together a great Broad Coalition that i think is the key to winning in november against whoever the republican nominate. Dickerson the republicans seem to have all the enthusiasm, more people are turning out for their primary process, much more than democrats. Wont that hurt in the battle in november . Well, i dont know exactly what that means. Ive gotten more votes than anybody running on either side. Ive gotten more votes than donald trump, although im sure he doesnt want to hear that. And weve gotten it from a wide, broad base. In fact ive gotten in the democratic primary election, ive gotten more white voters except for the state of vermont, all told ive had nor support from white voters. I feel really good about where our campaign is and where its ohio and massachusetts, there are reports of democrats switching over, changing their registration, becoming republicans to vote for donald trump arent those voters youre going to want back and how do you get them back . Well, i want to get every voter back. Im going to keep working during this primary to earn every vote. And to make it clear that im running and inclusive campaign, want to knock down barriers for all americans not just some of them. And i hope that as we move forward people will be giving second, third look to all the candidates and that includes me. It includes mr. Trump. Im going to keep reaching out and demonstrating unequivocally if people are frustrated, discouraged, upset by whats happening in the economy or the government or political system, that ive come ready prepared to do whats necessary to make progress. I think thats a very strong case. Dickerson let me ask you was in the news this week. Brian pagliona was granted immunity from prosecution in the criminal investigation into your email server. When this happened i talked to democrats they worry that somebody is going to get indicted. Well, there is no basis for that, its a security review im delighted that he had agreed to cooperate as everyone else has. And i think that well be moving toward a resolution of this. Dickerson you see this as good news . Yeah, i do. Absolutely. I think were getting closer and closer to wrapping this up. I also know that there were reports today about hundreds of officials and thousand emails that they were sending back and forth that have been looked at and classified retroactively. This really raises serious questions about this whole colin powell sums it up well when he was told that some of his emails from more than ten years ago were going to be retroactively classified. He called it an absurdity. Im hoping well get through this then everybody can take hard look at the inner agency disputes and arguments over retroactive classification. Im the one that asked that all my emails be made public. Ive been more transparent than anybody i can think of in public life. But its also true that when something is made public fresh across the government gets to weigh in thats whats happening here. We need to get it sorted out and then take action from there. Dickerson let me ask you about the twopart series this week in the New York Times on libya. In it former secretary of defense robert gates said that president obama set that decision whether to take action in libya was 5149 decision, secretary gates gave you credit for putting the president on in other words, taking action in libya. Does that square with your view of the way things happened . Well, it was the president s decision. And i think he listened to everybody just as he did when we were involved intense review of intelligence as to whether or not the president should order action to go after bin laden. These decisions are obviously ultimately the president s. I think we should remember where we were, the kinds of threats and actions that gadhafi was taking, i have to say that when i look at this, and absent of action by nato, by arab league members, we have probably turned libya into syria, which i think would have been even more dangerous situation. So, we all give our best judgment. I respect everybody who i worked with in the Obama Administration and then ultimately we make our recommendations to the president. Its not so much that syria may be but it isnt so good right now. Well, no, its not good. Im not saying that it is. But its sure better than syria, i think maybe 1500 people were killed last year compared to probably 150,000 in syria. But what is happening is a very concerted effort led by the u. N. , supported by united states, europe and others to try to create a unity government in libya. Enabling the people of libya to get what they voted for, john, i keep reminding people of this. They have ha held two elections, they voted for moderates, they voted for democracy they voted for a path forward that has been disrupted because of the inner interference of outside sources as well as internal squabbles. This has only been a few years i think weve got to really work hard to help the libyans achieve of a ii all gadhafi hallowed out their country, they were left with basically nothing. Not a functioning army, no the a functioning government, et cetera. Weve got work to do. But i actually am slightly hopeful that they will all realize theyre going to do better if they work together. They stand against terrorist elements, we will support them, others will as well. Dickerson secretary clinton were out of time. 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The washington establishment is in a panic, theyre confused, they dont understand whats happening. And their favored candidates, are not getting the votes. But if a bunch of washington deal makers try to step in in a brokered convention and steal the nomination well have a manifest uprising. If you want to beat donald trump, i dont think donald trump is the right nominee to go up against Hillary Clinton. If you want to beat him, you got to beat him at the ballot box our campaign is only campaign that demonstrated we can do so over and over. Dickerson do you think something illegitimate abut trying to have a brokered convention . I think if its a bunch of washington deal makers and lobbyists who want to parachute in their preferred candidate because they dont like what the voters are doing, i think that is illegitimate i think its wrong. Reagan used convention to try to beat gerald ford. There wasnt anything but theres a difference people when its a battle of the people. A lot of people pushing brokered convention in washington dont want it to be based on the people they want to drop in their favorite candidate and try to stifle the will of the people. I think that would be enormous mistake. Dickerson let moo me ask you about what the contest coming up, michigan, ohio, florida, how are you going to do well in those states when you had trouble in alabama, arkansas, georgia, tennessee. Well, listen you say we have trouble we earned delegates in just about everyone of those states. We did very well. We were not expected to win based on the poll of where we are. Donald trump is unique in one of a kind. A year ago, he changed the rules. We had 17 candidates a year ago. What we have seen in the field is field narrowed dramatically i think coming out of super tuesday, what super tuesday demonstrated is that if you dont think donald is the right candidate to go up against campaign that is has beat him not once, but five times. That is our campaign. We beat him overwhelmingly in iowa. Beat him in oklahoma, in alaska, we beat him in minnesota and overwhelmingly in my home state of texas. Had has anybody approached you about any kind of alliance to stop trump . Im having the conversations with all sorts of people, what were seeing supporters from other candidates coming and joining us whether they were with jeb bush, whether they were with Chris Christie, whether they were with ben carson or been with marco rubio or rand paul. Were seeing people come together because they recognize that their candidates were not in position beat donald and if donald is the nominee, it is a catastrophe. Hillary wins, we lose the Supreme Court for generation. We lose the bill of rights. We lose the senate. Dickerson any of these conversations in terms of jointly acting to deny him not coming together. My focus is very simple. Be the republican nominee. Were on a path to do so. Coming out of super tuesday fewer than a hundred delegates separate donald trump and me. As much as the media wants to just have coronation, and listen, frankly, one of the reasons media wants donald to be the nominee, is because media knows donald cant win the general that hillary with wallop him. The person that Hillary Clinton can beat all of the attacks on donald as media not talking about now, you Better Believe come september, october, novemberf he were the nominee, every day on the nightly news would be taken donald apart. The stakes are too high for us to dickerson the media thought he wasnt going to get this far thats hardly thats true at first. But lets be clear. The media has given donald trump hundreds of millions of dollars of free advertising, when you put whenever press conference carried live on every television station and you essentially have a massive in kind contribution from the media that helped create this phenomenon. Reporters i cant tell you how many Media Outlets i hear, have this great expose on donald, on different aspects of his business dealings, his past, they say, you know what, were going to hold it to june or july. Dickerson more the r reporters have told you that . Im not going to out Media Outlets but i can tell you there is so much there when was the last time people are bringing up his tax returns, for example. We had debate last night, didnt hear a word about tax returns. Dickerson you brought it up. I could have, i do often. But as mitt romney rightly observed fact that donald wont hand over suggest threats a bombshell in it. The fact that journalists are not raising the question ever what donald trump told the New York Times editorial board, the reports are dickerson the journalist brought it up which give you the platform to talk about it, sure low they are, plus he wrote about it. I promise you come the general election, that will be i think republicans, weve been burned by that before, were not interested in losing again, particularly when the stakes i think are catastrophic. Dickerson well have more of our in city view with ted cruz in our next half hour. Stay with us. And can you explain why you recommend synthetic over cedar . Super food . Is that a real thing . Its a great school, but is it the right one for her . Is this really any better than the one you got last year . If we consolidate suppliers, whats the savings there . So should we go with the 467 horsepower . Or is a 423 enough . Good question. You ask a lot of good questions. I think we should move you into our new fund. Sure. Ok. But are you asking enough about how your wealth is managed . Wealth management at charles schwab. Make delicious recipes that are lighter in calories and added sugar when you use splenda think sugar, use splenda sure am. 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My approach, john, im not going to ploy that game. Not going to engage in the in subtle, i dont really have any views on the sizes of any parts of Donald Trumps anatomy im not interested in talking about that. But what i am interested in talking about is the issues facing the American People. Stagnant wages, not having jobs. My top priority bringing back jobs and raising wages, were going to do that by repealing obamacare, passing a flat tax. Abolish can the ir, reigning in the federal regulators, stopping amnesty and securing the borders thats my priority. Dickerson you said also week entertaining. But then this other stuff slips in and thats the way in which to more years said thats the way the culture slips. Its the job of a politics to stand up and say no, there are guard rails here. Think about what president s have meant in history, think of lincoln gettysburg address, fdr think of jfk ask not what you can do for your country. I think people at home are asking themselves, how would we feel if our children came in repeating the words of the president of the united states, trump. Have your children repeat the words of the president , thats not a good thing. A president should unify us, should appeal to our better half, appeal to our shared values that make america who we are. That is how im trying to campaign. I think thats what the American People are looking for. Dickerson donald trump says there needs to be flexibility on immigration. You talk about the New York Times and the conversation, why not hes light, of course, negotiation flex flexibility. He is mostly absolutely not right but stunning aspect of the debate that he said over and over again, flexibility. Flexibility. Actually thats one of the reason why were selling now yoga mats on our website, tedcruz. Org, that if you find yourself boiling over with rage, spend some time doing yoga and breathing. Conservatives are used to seeing republican candidates. Run to the right in the primary then to the left in the general. Part of the reason were so frustrated, so angry. To us. What was amazing about this debate, john, donald is already running to the left hes not even out of the primary. In the debate this week, donald stood up there said, marco rubio, i agree with you, marco, i understand why you compromised were flexible negotiating with Chuck Schumer on the gang of eight. This is the donald trump who has made immigration the centerpiece of his campaign who said he agreed with marco rubio supporting the gang of eight amnesty bill. That was stunning. Dickerson last question something that puzzles me. You talk about, going to be a president you cant let your children watch tv. Marco rubio says hes a con man all of these terrible things then at the end youre asked if youll support him and you do. Doesnt that undermine all of these criticisms that going to be such danger to conservatives and Republican Values . Listen, i think number one Hillary Clinton as president would be even more catastrophic. She would be a third term of barack obama you can no not support Hillary Clinton. But income do the at outside of would support the republican nominee. And i am someone who keeps his word, you know this past week on super tuesday, in the state of texas, we won an overwhelming victory. Won texas by 17 points that was particularly meaningful because the people of texas they know me. They know my heart. They are the people that i made promises when i ran for senate, you owe look me ill lead the fight against obamacare and amnesty. Ill lead the fight against our debt and ill lead the fight to protect religious liberty, Second Amendment and bill of rights. The reason we won overwhelming victory in texas is because texas said, ted, you kept your word. 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What is your view on the health of the Republican Party . If you look across this out. We have 70 more people coming out in this republican primary were up 70 . Democrats are down 30 . Theres no question that the democrats. Were beating them on money, beating them on mechanics and i clinton. Dickerson we got a situation the speaker house calling out the front runner on the questions of bigotry, the front runner is attacking the governor of South Carolina who gave recommend play cannery sons thats tough stuff. It is tough stuff. I dont think theres anything wrong with drama and intrigue. Weve got plenty of that. Theres no question abut that. The key, though, is can you come get to a nominee, come democrats. I think that well get there. Im confident that we will. Weve got more republicans elected today since 1900 but we do need to learn how to win a big cultural vote in this country thats what im hopeful of. Dickerson that coming together thats the doctor traditional thing. In the last couple of weeks you have ben carson, no, he wont vote. Lets start a third party. Theres also talk of a kind of monkeying around to get contested convention. That means coalescing isnt what it means is that were in the beginning of march, got over 1600 delegates to go. It means that people are concerned at least in their own interests as far as who the nominee is going to be. Theyre making public statements likely to change the course of what they see as direction that they dont like. But ultimately, theres a long way to go. We are going to come together and were going to beat Hillary Clinton who is now dodging immunity agreements with the doj. Dickerson what do you make of the talk about the lets start with mitt romney, hes basically said, everybody should have a strategy with marco rubio wins in florida, kasich wins in ohio. Denies him the number of delegates. What do you think of such a planned strategy . I dont really think anything of it. My role is ways i cannily basically be 100 behind whoever gets 1237 delegates im not going to do anything to help them get that. Nor am i going to do anything to 1237 delegates. But keep in mind what is going on here. We have a Political Party, two Political Parties these folks are running to join our Political Party as our nominee. So, yes, they pledged to support the event nominee, they want to take part in the process. Eventually well get to that point, they will join one person will join our party well be 100 behind that person. Dickerson republicans out there who are watching, when they march about contested convention, there are rules, in other words, its not a dirty word, right . No. Dickerson theres a process for which contested convention could be possible thats okay. I still think its unlikely. But not impossible. I was general counsel, john, for two years before being chairman for six. I know the rules inside and out. Ill be prepared for anything. But i still think its very early to have this conversation. Were sitting in situation where candidates are tied, then i think in a month you start looking at those possibilities. But right now weve got a long way to go. Dickerson do you think Donald Trumps success because hes donald trump or republican . I would think probably a little bit of both. But again, i still think its early. I dont know who is going to be successful and who is not going to be successful. What i do know is that we have a great opportunity here to win in november. An opportunity to save our country running against a person who is dodging the i. R. S. And has to answer for a lot of things that people find to be pretty troubling. Dickerson you have worked hard to try to expand the Republican Party in different communities where republicans have had trouble. Hispanic community, African American community. How has donald trump and way this campaign mid out so far helped or hurt those efforts . Obviously the proof is going to be in the pudding. Theres a long way to go. We have at the National Party put more people on the ground in different communities than ever before in the history of our party. Dollars, invested hundreds ever millions dollars in our infrastructure and mechanics, far better than we much in 2012. I do think that tone and rhetoric has to improve. I do think that we have to keep a pg rating during debates. I think that the next debate needs to be improved in that regard. Im hopeful that our candidates will heed that suggestion. Dickerson if the process goes forward, do you expect the Republican Party to keep gaining more people as it goes forward . I think we are. If you look at the numbers that were putting up all of these states its astronomical f. I was democrat id be very concerned over lack of enthusiasm over a sluggish process that isnt going to end any time soon. Even though Hillary Clinton is now seemingly winning these contests, she obviously didnt have good night last night. Her. I think Bernie Sanders is going to do well on the west coast. Awhile, theyre in for a long process whether they like it or not. Dickerson well be back in a moment with some political cell phone rings where are you . Well the squirrels are back in the attic. Mom . Your dad wont call an exterminator. Can i call you back, mom . He says its personal this time. If youre a mom, you call at the worst time. Its what you do. If you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. Its what you do. Where are you . Its very loud there. Dickerson were back with our time but check in with cbs election director who is in new york this morning. Anthony this effort by the establishment to come up with another nominee other than donald trump how is that going so far . Not well. In michigan, you still see donald trump in the lead but very specifically looks like the party is just not in line with its voters on this. Whether or not they are for donald trump, we asked voters who were not supporting trump right now, what should the Republican Party be doing at this point. You might have expected to see a big number but you didnt. Actually saw split decision. 47 who said that the party should indeed be doing everything they can to stop trump from getting the nomination. Similar number of 37 said that party should rally behind donald trump and get behind him on the way to november if trump keeps another fifth who said going to take this as wait and see. I think this dovetails with what we see a as larger theme of this campaign that voters, no matter who theyre for just not in the mood to be told what to do by anybody that they see as related to the party establishment. Dickerson even though they dont like donald trump theyre not in a break glass and its emergency state of mind. Why cant the establishment move more people . For one thing voters tell us within they hear someone is connected to the establishment makes them less likely to vote for that person. Thats why four to one margin i think what youre seeing here more of this outsider theme that weve seen throughout the campaign. I think that certainly playing out in michigan. I think also speaks to the larger balancing act that the party has right now. See donald trump get over three million votes. Voters do not appear to be in any mood to be told what to do by the party establishment. What do you do with those folks because you will need them come november in these battleground states. Dickerson anthony salvanto, thanks. Here in washington were here with molly bull who covers politics for the atlantic. Michael gerson scholium must for the washington post, ed okeefe and ezra klein editor of vox. Com. There was flash mob of establishment people, all going going for them . I think they would say still in progress. Yank you can Say Something failed when its only been underway for a week or two. What is remarkable its taken so long to get going but really the denial didnt end until well after voting had started and trump had built up quite a bit of momentum. There are lot of people who fear that it is too late but you have couple of Political Action committees that have started, that is the main focus of lot of these efforts right now. As was said not majority view in the Republican Party that trump must be stopped. But very remarkable at this juncture to have a 4 plurality of Political Party they are hell runner. Dickerson you wrote about alternatives what is the most plausible one for stopping trouble . A lot of people will argue, cruz, in second place now. Presumptive challenger to this. Ted cruz to the right of donald trump on some issues like immigration which does not solve that problem. Were in a situation where the conservative critique of trump is giving a little traction. But the establishment for rubio has not gotten traction. Cruz has benefited here, the question is can he win in states primaries and caucuses. He hasnt noon adequately. The 15th will determine this. Florida will have lot to do with dickerson who do you think about that idea that cruz is now the alternative and thats the way it should go for those who want to stop trump . Some degree thats been true for a long time. Part of the failure of the party to stop donald trump has been complete unwillingness to unite behind ted cruz. Couple of months ago, maybe not couple, not long ago when cruz beat trump in iowa there was an obvious reason at that moment for the Republican Party. Unlike donald trump, ted cruz is a conservative. He actually believes even if it goes much further, he is fairly orthodox, very much connected to the Core Institution of the Republican Party. The core thinkers. And i and many other folks expected some uniting behind ted cruz it didnt happen because, kill ted cruz on the senate there are the senate would invoke to convict. Thats been a problem. Dickerson a sign of warming, Lindsey Graham would support they even talked on the phone. May be picnicking soon. Ed, let me ask you about marco rubio he got 1 in kansas despite endorsement from the governor. 16 in kentucky. What is happening . Falling apart. Its evident now that thats happening i was striking and hear any look what happened to rubio. He runs in tennessee has some last minute endorsements from senator lamar, goes to kansas, books three events in the state after cancelling appearances. Does miserably there as well after getting endorsements. He goes into florida now, convinced they can still win that the race tightened probably helped by millions of dollars in attack ads that are now airing against trump f. He cant get individual. Dickerson if you get endorsement from governor in the state the kit of death you go an lose. Michael gerson, what is the health of the Republican Party at this moment . We hear lot of dire talked about with it with the chairman, where do you see things . If you look at this from 30,feet republicans have two of the least popular politicians in american at one and two in their party. Deeply divided party. Instead of doing outreach to groups that they needed to after last election, they have been determining whether they should have authoritarian as their nominee, someone not small d democrat. And i think its disastrous for the Republican Party. Its either hurt it badly with cruz as the nominee. Or potentially split it with this is very good outcome for Hillary Clinton. Dickerson molly, the establishment push against donald trump, isnt that exacerbating the very thing that caused trim top rise in the first place which is the sense that the establishment was out of touch with people in the party and the conservative movement . Thats why. As mike said, this party is falling apart. Because you did have an establishment that was so profoundly out of touch with a lot of the voters and base of the party that they completely failed to take seriously the candidacy of trump and the anger that he was tapping. There was feeling that this was a joke, there was so much denial that this was a real thing. You now have a front runner who won majority of states, the majority of delegates, pretty far down the calendar and normally that would be to a sort of bandwagon affect, everybody would be getting on board. Other than Chris Christie, most of the sort of republican officer holders are running screaming in the other direction as mike said theres no visible outcome that doesnt entail sort of falling apart of the party. People have to appreciate what happened this week that you had both the 2012 and 2008 republican nominees come out say we need to stop the guy who is on verge of becoming 2016 nominee. Mitt romney and john mccain both. Hes bad for the party, bad for the country, somebody else needs to step up. Problem is, you ask romney, would you be willing to put in your name l . No, i just want to say these things look my grandchildren in the eye. Great that he spoke out, unclear its going to help things at this point but still, it shows that there is no solution if you are someone worried about trump winning. Thats why the poll we mentioned is so important the four to one Republican Voters do not want candidate who touched by establishment. At a very core level Republican Party is failing in boast mase i can function of the Political Party. Very complex world like we have. If you got into point where Political Party says, trust this guy. Voters say, thats actually disendorsement, right . Then you got into very profound place of dysfunction because youve lost that function of organizing information for voters. Now they dont have very good ways to figure out who to trust. That is going to be really hard place to organize if the fact the establishment is becoming boon for donald trump because it shows that he is standing up to Republican Party. The. Dickerson quickly before we switch. I wouldnt underestimate that republicans found effective attacks against trump in the debate, financial fraud and acid logical fraud. I think that is real momentum this week those types of attacks. Going forward that may be an important achievement. Dickerson the democratic race, Bernie Sanders, is it basically over for him, is Hillary Clinton on her way to the nomination . I think she is. But it is mostly over. And it is over because of the demographic alignment behind Hillary Clinton as she told you earlier, she has obviously gotten the vast majority of minority voters and i think in a Democratic Party that is increasingly fueled by a minoritybased National Coalition you cant be a credible nominee of this party if African American voters dont support you. But it is also true that she is winning white voters, winning latino voters shes got very Diverse Coalition behind her. Bernie did win two of three states last night. He does clearly still have lot of support. I think the party still has to grapple with what he represents. Even if he falls short there has been a sort of uprising against the establishment and Democratic Party as well by folk vocal seg machine that wants to see a more radical position. Dickerson how does fix the enthusiasm problem . I think one of the ways, he continues to raise so much money despite the fact hes losing. Support not only in to votes but into cash. Something to be learned from what sanders is doing. I think its also a lesson to everyone that you think super pac have outside influence. Lot of these guys have run out of money donated to their campaign, the reason sanders is able, hes got all these people donating 2030 that is what is keeping him in the race. If he can find way to convince those people eventually shell be fine. But certainly he still enjoys that. Dickerson what do you make of the stories in massachusetts and ohio, democrats crossing over and registering. Are these people who are effective republicans its not a big i think every cycle we hear stories like that, never proves open race. Will tell you what president ial campaigns do theyre long process and reminded of who they like and who they hate. That speaks 20 your question about the enthusiasm gap, too, the way Hillary Clinton will solve that is shell be running against a republican candidate, candidate who is scarier to democrats than any republican who has been nominated in generations. So, that is going to i think reshape who democrats whether democrats turn out. Dickerson have to stop you there. Thanks to all of you. Well be back in a moment. Expert . Sure am. My staff could use your help staying in touch with customers. At t can help you stay connected. Am i seeing double . No maam. Our at t buy one get one free makes it easier for your staff to send appointment reminders to your customers. And share promotions on social media . You know it now im seeing dollar signs. You should probably get your eyes checked. Good one babe. Optometry humor. Right now get up to 650 in dickerson thats it for us today. Thanks for watching. Until next week for face the nation im john dickerson. 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