Should they be declassified . And joining me for insight and analysis are robert costa, of the Washington Post. Msnbcs joyann reid. Republican strategist nicolle wallace, and jose diazbalart, of nbc news and telemundo. Welcome to sunday. Its meet the press. From nbc news in washington, this is meet the press with chuck todd. Good sunday morning, with Bernie Sanders prospects for taking the democratic nomination from Hillary Clinton getting slimmer by the day, sanders told me yesterday hes fallen behind because in his words, poor people dont vote. Theres a lot more in that interview and well get tait later in the show and well get to the democratic as well. But we begin with the republican race. Its no stretch to conclude that when it comes to donald trump, the Republican Party has slowly been working it way thou the classic five stages of grief. The first one was denial. Trump cant be taken seriously. The second one, anger. What makes this guy think he is even a republican or a conservative anyway . The third, bargaining. Lets take it to the voters. Theyll reject him, right . The fourth, depression. Oh, my god. Hes actually winning this thing. And now, the fifth stage, the hardest one of all, acceptance. Why . Trump just won big in new york. Hes expected to win big in the five primaries held this tuesday which include pennsylvania where our new poll has trump with a doubledigit lead, sitting at 45 . Over ted cruz at 27 , john kasich at 24 , and yes, if you add up kasich and cruz, its a majority, which is going to make the stop trump people hit their head against the wall. For the antitrump loyalists counting on indiana to be their firewall, consider this. The only poll we have seen out of indiana in the past week came out friday and it shows trump leading by just six points, but the fact that hes ahead is a big deal. 3731. Kasich at 22 . Again, cruz and kasich together over 50. Throw in a republican establishment that seems more cowed by trump than energized to defeat him, and they look more willing to accept the man whose man offer appears after the word never. President ial is easy. With stop trump going nowhere, signs republicans are tip toeing toward sundacceptanc. Sign one, evidence of surrender by the partys leaders. At the rnc Spring Meeting in florida, Reince Priebus warned, stop trump sympathizers to get in line. Politics is a team sport. And we cant win unless we really around whoever becomes our nominee. And the party went out of its way to disprove trumps charge that its rigging the game. It rejected changes to convention rules. After Mitch Mcconnell seemed to relish the idea of trump losing a multiple ballot convention. Im increasingly optimistic there may be a second ballott. He quickly walked that back. What i said somewhat inartfully is that well have a nominee once we get to 1,237. With republicans, including former nominee john mccain threatening to skip the convention, House Speaker paul ryan urged his party to be there. I think it could be a great historical, you know, exercise. It could be something youll remember the rest of your lives. Sign number two, the stop Trump Movement isnt spending. Not a dime on tv ads in new york. Just 300,000 in this tuesdays primaries, which trump is expected to dominate. Instead, holding its fire until the may 3rd indiana primary. To stop trump, vote for cruz. Sign number three, the failure of an antitrump alternative to launch. John kasich is an honorable and decent man whose only role in this election is as a spoiler. He was saying that if i couldnt mathematically win the nomination, i should get out. He cant mathematically win. To make acceptance easier to swallow, the trumps team is softening his image, promising a more disciplined, professional candidate who can work with the party. Were here to let them know were going to run a traditional campaign. Behind cloised doors, his new campaign chief went further. When hes on the stage, when hes talking about the kinds of thing hes talking about, hes projecting an image thats for that purpose. Youll start to see more depth to the person, the real person. On saturday, the new trump sounded a lot like the old trump. Lying ted cruz, right . Hes saying you know, with that horrible flourish, the hands. He walks in, bible held high, then he puts the bible down and then he lies. Hes a liar. Good old trump. Im joined by katie packer, a key figure in this never Trump Movement. She runs an antitrump pac called our principles pac. And michael steele, former chairman of the Republican National committee. Im going to bring in the panel in a few minutes. Youre the most prominent face these days for never stop trump. Why are you the most prominent face . Youre not an elected official. Why are republican officials afraid of being the face of a never Trump Movement . Im not sure i can answer that question. I think a lot of them frankly are hoping upon hope that this goes another direction and they dont alienate the supporters of trump in the process. But certainly, there are a lot of people behind closed doors expressing real concern. They tell you one thing, and they say, sure, tell the people. Like, well, geez. Ive got scheduling commitments. These are smart people, and they understand with trump at the top of the ticket, we not only lose the white house. We definitely lose the senate. We very likely lose the house, and we probably lose elections for a generation because we have somebody thats known to be a sexist, very likely a racist at the top of our ticket, and its very damaging to the party. Michael steele, you and i have had conversations. You seem to be in a different place here, that, youre not enthusiastic about him, but youre accepting the idea that hes going to be the nominee. This has been a process that unfolded starting in june of last year. All that time, there have been myriad efforts and opportunities to stop trump. But they havent worked. Why . And the one thing about these movements and the folks that were talking about seem to dont understand or be able to answer the question, why do people continue to vote for him . What is it about what hes saying and doing that still attracts the core base of the gop . Yes, its 35 , 45 , whatever, less than 50 , but when you look at the totality of the movement and the effort that hes put out there, theres a response to it. So why are enan ent they respoo kasich, to cruz, why arent they winning and trump is . Thats the core question that nobody in washington wants to wrap their head around. Katie, you seem to be running the hill, i think, captured it well. They had a headline that said never trump, referring to your group, saying your goals are colliding with the goals of kasich can cruz. Cruz has the best shot in indiana. Kasich has the best shot in maryland, youre hoping cruz doesnt campaign there, but the two campaigns arent listening. Thats a frustration frrx sure. What we have seen historically, though, is by this point in time, the election does come down to two candidates. It was romney and santorum. It was mccain and romney. And at that point in time, somebody begins to coalesce support. Somebody begins to win a majority. Trump is nowhere near that. If you look at mccain and romneys numbers as they progress throughout the primaries, they were ramping up. Trump is in a total flat line. But cruz and kasich have not been able to galvanizeeter side. Absolutely, and its a total frustration, but our message is lets take it to the convention. Lets let the process play itself out. If you dont like ted cruz and dont want to vote for him, thats okay. Youre not going to give it to them by voting for him. Lets do what we can to get this to an open convention and then duke it out. Michael steele, and im going to bring in the panel after this. It was chairman priebus who started to wave the white flag. He said were not going to make rules changes. If the party wanted to stop trump, why not make a rules change . Thats effectively how you would do it. We saw it with ron paul in 2012. They chose not to. It goes back to what katie was saying. They recognize what donald trump has done is galvanized a whole new level of voter. Folk whose have sat on their behind for six, eight years, havent participated, now coming out. The other thing to keep in mind, just because cruz and kasich are at 51 together, dont assume those voters recollection trump isnt their second choice either. So dont assume that 51 is going to be there should one of them drop out. Let me bring in the panel and they can start bombarding you with questions. Nicolle wallace, republican strategist and nbc analyst. Former bush and mccain strategi strategist. Jose diazbalart, robert costa from the Washington Post, and joyann reid, colleague of my at msnbc. You have been in acceptance for a long time. Living out all five stages in weepy real time. Im very sympathetic to what youre trying to do. I think that one of the challenges is the solution for the problem you rightfully diagnose isnt any more appealing than the problem itself. Republicans arent any more enthusiastic or optimistic about the outcome of cruz at the top of the ticket. Would say the goal is to drive this to an open convention. And skip trump and cruz and get to Door Number Three . If youre not happy with any of the choices, the last time we had a Convention Like this was 1976, but it was different because everybody was virtually in one camp or another. There are a lot of people who are in none of these camps. To those voters, we would say if thats the camp youre in, youre not happy, vote for cruz, vote for kasich, because that will get whats behind door number two. Isnt the main problem is any of the solutions you would come up with thats not donald trump is going to take that, lets say its 30 to 40 of the Republican Base that are white blue collar voters, working class voters who are enraged at the Republican Party. Any outcome but trump may alienate the voters in such a way that it dooms the party in november no matter what. I think the problem is the party is the problem. The 40some odd years of promises that were not fulfilled even by the tea party because eventually they even went washington to a lot of these voters. I thin these voters are so angry that you almost have to give them donald trump to seicheiate the anger. I think its naive to say its 30 to 40 who stay home if its trump. Theres people saying im not going to vote for trump in a general election even though im republican. Lets remember the process started with about 200,000 republicans running for president. There were more people running for president than at a party in havana, yet the voters in the process whidalled it down to three, and really down to one. So this concept that now somebody else is going to come up, there were 17. Africanamericans, two latinos, there were, you know, women, and yet its all down to trump. Lets not forget that. The scene at the rnc, it told so so much. I was standing outside of a meeting room when Paul Manafort stepped out. What i recorded that day, it was all rnc members giving out their Business Card to the trump campaign. Hollywood, florida, white sand beaches, everyone is relaxed. Hey, mr. Manafort, dont forget my name. Really . Oh, my word. In priebuss suite, the first thing he told the Washington Post is he had a great phone call with donald trump this past week. Let me throw something out here. Do we believe there has been a new trump . Im going to play for you cruz doesnt believe it. And then youll hear trumps response to it. Here it is. They were saying these are their words. That all of this is just a show. That he doesnt believe anything he is saying. Hes just trying to fool gullible voters, and hes not going to do any of it. Hes not going to build a wall, not going to deport anyone. Hes telling us hes lying to us. Well, trump, of course, the new trump, was the old trump. Take a listen. So cruz picks it up, lying ted. He goes donald trump is kidding everybody. Hes different on the trail. He said, and he said that hes going to do things differently. And hes not going to build a wall. What the hell does this have to do with the wall . Believe me, im building the wall. All right, michael and katie, michael, is this a new trump . Thats what Paul Manafort promised a more trump with more depth. That didnt that sounded like the old trump. Basically, the outward side of trump is still going to be trump. Hes still going to go riff on the party and riff on the politics of the party. But when he needs to be in that zone where he wants to specifically communicate, i think you will see it, and i think we have already seen him at times try to do that, when he uses the notes. Katie he mocked him. Listen to what he said about being president ial. Watch this. President ial is easy. You know what president ial is . I walk on. So you walk on. Ladies and gentlemen of waterbury, it is a great honor to be where you this morning. Katie, he mocks the process. He actually mocked his own guy, manafort. Well, it would be funny if it werent so frightening. This is a guy running to be the leader of the free world. Hes not running to play a part on a reality tv show. I do think hes mocking the process, and the notion youre going to take a guy thats 70 years old and hes going to adopt a whole new personality, he doesnt even know that wha s hes doing is offensive. The idea hes going to somehow change along the way is impossible. You cant beat something with nothing. At the end of the day, you can say that, you know, these voters are deluded, theyre takingbiz,t that with nothing. The problem with the stop Trump Movement is youre offering nothing. Youre saying just dont vote for this guy. Obviously, the voters preferring him are saying hes offering an occams razor solution of economic want, feeling theyre left behind by the party. Your side is offering them nothing. Most republican strategists worry, as much as trump changes his temperament, in a burden election, he has to carry the burden of the muslim ban, carry the burden on the policies on the wall. And the real conversation, you both know this, taking place, is how we lose. Do we lose with cruz . The reality, we can try to spin it into something else. Its do we lose with cruz, who we know will not appeal to the people who determine the outcomes of elections, or do we roll the dice on trump . Trumps strength is pulling the curtain down on the process. Fine elquestion and word to the two of you. Michael, go with you, and katie, you get the last word. John kasich is the only candidate we can find who beats Hillary Clinton in our pennsylvania poll. Thats it. Hillary clinton is up double digits over cruz and trump. Why isnt the tstop Trump Movement uniting behind him . Thats the one thing that has made no sense to me at all, because the guy standing in front of you, which every poll shows can defeat, and i have heard from democrats who say if you nominate kasich, this becomes a different race for me in november. Yet the stop trump folks want to focus on people who cannot win a general election against Hillary Clinton. Its befuddling, which is again why the voters look and go why arent you guys the prokasich movement, not the stop Trump Movement . The stop Trump Movement is about keeping Donald Trumps head down and keeping the pressure on him and hopefully one of these candidates will do what they need to do to draw voters to them. The reality is in a state like indiana, kasich isnt going to beat trump. So we have to put our support behind cruz and hope thatthosis voters come behind cruz. Its not a choice that we would like to be making. I dont know why our voters ignored the 15 candidates that might have been able to beat Hillary Clinton and narrowed it down to a couple who cant, but thats where we are. Four years from now, well have the quince caucus first. Katie packer, michael steele, thanks. I think katie you got bombarded here left and right on your movement, but you took it well. Thank you for joining us. When we come back, my sitdown with a conciliatory of sorts Bernie Sanders of vermont. 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Sanders has vowed to fight on, but he needs to win the remaining contests by big mar n margins to have any chance of beating clinton at the philadelphia convention. I sat down with him in baltimore yesterday and asked about his differences that still remain with Hillary Clinton. Hillary clinton the other night in her victory speech after new york said this. And to all the people who supported senator sanders, i believe there is much more that unites us than divides us. Do you agree with her on that . I think there is a lot that unites us. I think theres a lot that divides us. I think the fact that all of us are in agreement that donald trump would be a disaster for this country if he became president , unites us. The fact that we understand, for example, that Climate Change is real while republican opponents ignore that reality unites us. But on the other hand, i think what divides us is the understanding on the part of millions of people who are supporting my candidacy that it really is too late for establishment politics and establishment economics. We have to deal in a very substantive way with income and wealth inequality. We need to understand why were the only major country on earth not to guarantee health care to all people, not to have paid family and medical leave. That we have to deal aggressively with a corrupt Campaign Finance system which allows big money interests to buy elections. You say theyre differences. If she were here, she would say i agree with you on Campaign Finance. I agree with you on medicare. But that she would say she agrees with the goals. We all agree with goals. I suppose everybody has general understanding, you know, that we dont want to see a nuclear war and so forth. But i think that i believe in a medicare for all Single Payer Program that guarantees health care to all people. I have not only shown by talk but by walking the walk that you can run a campaign, a strong Winning NationalCampaign Getting millions of individuals to make Small Campaign contributions. That has not been secretary clintons approach. We have not been dependent on big money interests. Thats perhaps the most important thing. Because im not quite sure that youre ever going to change this country, ever going to take on the billionaire class, ever going to create a government that works for the middle class so long as youre dependent on wall street money. You wake up the day after the convention and youre not the nominee, do you look in the mirror and say this was a Successful Campaign . Obviously, our goal now, while we have a narrow path to victory, were going to fight through that path. We hope to win. But i think the fact that we have shown that there is massive dissatisfaction in this country with the status quo, that people want to think bigger, that people understand that when you have 20 people in this country owning more wealth than the bottom 150 million people, that people are showing in this campaign the desire to stand up and fight back. The fact that we have brought millions of young people who i think many of the pundits had thought were kind of apathetic, not interested in politics. You know what. These young people know theyre the future of the country. They want to shape the future and im proud we have been able to bring them in the political process. You stridescribed it as a na path. What it is. Explain it to me. We have to win big in the number of primaries and caucuses that yet remain. Poll came out yesterday that had us within striking distance in california. Our largest lead. I think we could do well in california. It starts with winning some states, winning in pennsylvania, winning in bottom line, you have to win delegates. That what it means. In this case, big primary wins. Right. We have won 1200 delegates. And by the way, when we talk about the campaign, you know, we started this campaign 60, 65 points behind secretary clinton in national polls, now many have us even, a few points ahead, perhaps. This is an important point. When democrats look in the horizon, what unites us is the understanding that trump would be a disastrous president. Look at the lls. Bernie sanders runs better against trump in almost all of these polls than Hillary Clinton. But she runs well, too. Does that hurt your cause a little bit . Its like, yeah, you do better, but she runs pretty well, too. I think the answer is, depending on the polls, and p l polls are polls, i dont want to go crazy on polls, but i think Many Democrats are convinced what is most important is defeating donald trump. I believe the objective evidence is im the stronger candidate. I was going to say, at the end of the day, do you feel you were given a fair shot . We took advantage of the opportunities in front of us. Were in the race, were in the race until california, and were proud of the campaign we ran. Interesting numbers here. So 17 of the 25 states with the highest levels of income inequality have held primaries. 16 of those 17 have been won by hik hirk, not by you. Why . Because poor people dont vote. I mean, thats just a fact. A sad reality of american society. And thats what we have to transform. We, as you know, have one of the lowest voter turnout rates. We have had some success with lower income people, but in america today, in the last election in 2014, 80 of poor people did not vote. You feel as if you could find a way to get people that are fighting at that poverty line, either just below it or just above it, if they were engaged in the process, you would do better . If we could significantly increase voter turnout so younger people and poor people participated in the voter process, we could have a voter turnout of 75 , this country would be radically transformed. President obama is getting criticism in the uk for speaking out against he doesnt want to see british citizens vote to take the uk out of the e. U. First, where are you on that, and second, would you inserert yourself into the campaign . Ill let the britishew nople make their decisions. So the president shouldnt comment for that . The president can comment on anything. As president i didnt say that. He is the president. Do you have a view . Do you have a view on this . Not a significant one. I think the uk the European Union obviously is a very, very important institution. But ultimately, you know, people of britain have got to make their own decisions. I would hope they stay in, but thats their decision. Why are you against the c consumption tax in philadelphia that would pay for prek . Hillary clinton is for it . Ill tell you why. Because its a totally regressive tax. At a time of massive wealth equality, many pay ineffective tax rate, lower than working class people. You have corporations not paying a nickel. Thats where you get the money. Somebody making 20,000 a year and buy a bottle of soda, i dont think you charge them 30 cents more for that soda. The goal of universal health care, child care, something i agree on and applaud the mayor there for coming forward, but raise the money in a way that is progressive, not on the backs of low income working people. You must be against cigarette taxes too . Cigarette taxes, theres a difference between cigarettes and soda. Im aware of the obesity problem in the country. I dont think Michael Bloomberg would agree with you. Thats fine. He can have his point of view. But cigarettes are causing cancer, obviously, and other diseases, and you know, theres almost a question as to why it remains a legal product in this country. Let me wrap it up, a question this way. Do you feel as if, if Hillary Clinton is the democratic nominee and youre not, but donald trump is the opponent, do you have a responsibility to do what it takes to get your voters to support Hillary Clinton . I will do everything i can to make certain that donald trump is not elected president. But if thats scenario plays out, the major responsibility will be on secretary clinton to convince all people, not just my supporters, that she is the kind of president this country needs to represent working people in this country, to take on the big money interests, who have so much power. To fight for what the American People want. Your supporters, for the most part, whenever very skeptical of Hillary Clinton. Very, very skeptical. Tougher on her, frankly, than you ever are. People talk about all this back and forth. What do you think what is your advice to her on winning your voters over . Shes going to have to bei very explicit about supporting a program which stands up for the needs of the middle class and working families. Which most importantly makes it clear that she is prepared to take on wall street in a very clear way. Take on the billionaire class. Come up with a program that makes health care for all in this country a right within the next several years. I think those are some of the issue s shes going to have to bring forth. Did we just hear intentionally or not the Bernie Sanders exit interview . Well get to that later in the show. Also, why does Donald Trumps magic number the win the magic number the win the nomition why safety doesnt come in a box. Its not a banner that goes on a wall. Its not something you do now and then. Or when its convenient. At bp, its training and retraining in stateoftheart simulators so were better prepared for any situation. Its giving offshore teams support from onshore experts, so we have extra sets of eyes on our wells. 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In fact, it could be a lot less because hes likely to pick up the socalled unbound delegates, the people who can do whatever they want on the first ballot. They can vote for whoever, regardless of how their state voted. So how does it all happen . Heres our back of the napkin map. Were going to start with this magic number of 1237 and subtract from that the number of unbound delegates that were estimated trump is likely to pick up. Were going to start with nine unbound delegates from the collection of colorado, wyoming, and guam contests. They havent been awarded to a single candidate yet. In our breakdown, were going to assume trump can negotiate his way to three of those folks. Now, there are the rubio delegates. Nbc has reported 34 of the delegates marco rubio earned during the primary season will be unbound on that first ballot. Negotiating his way to some rubio supporters, we think trump can pick up seven of those folks. Not a lot, but a handful. Well, now we go to the 54 pennsylvania delegates who wont be bound to any candidate after tuesdays primary. About 60 of those running for delegate have indicated publicly they will either support trump or whoever wins their congressional district. Which if you believe our polls, is likely to be trump. So were going to put 34 out of those 54 delegates in trumps column for now. So all told, thats 44 unbound delegates trump could pick up. Conservative estimate, mind you. Substract that from 1237 and we get a new magic number, 1193. Thats probably the maximum he needs, the real number trump will need before he starts picking up what we think are the unbound delegates. Now again, we think this is a conservative estimate. Its possible trump can win more of these folks. Because trump is expected to sweep all five states on tuesday. And then momentum could take over. He could pick up more of those folks and then his magic number could drop from 1193 down to 1150 after the last primary. And in fact, it may be very hard for the stop Trump Movement to keep trump below 1150. Either way, while trump technically still needs 1237 on the first ballot, its clear he does not need that many pledged delegates by the end of voting in june. And thats what makes the stop trump forces even more nervous. Up next, Donald TrumpsCampaign Says hes just been playing the part of a candidate. That well soon see a new trump. If thats true, how do you explain this moment yesterday . He cant win with the popular vote because hes got zero personality, because he lies like a thief, okay. And can you explain why you recommend synthetic over cedar . Super food . Is that a real thing . Its a great school, but is it the right one for her . Is this really any better than the one you got last year . If we consolidate suppliers, whats the savings there . So should we go with the 467 horsepower . Or is a 423 enough . Good question. You ask a lot of good questions. 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I think part of the problem is the word you use the excuses, you say youre running a Political Revolution but keep parsing we dont have the right kind of voter motivated or informed enough, they are too old fashion or conservative and putting it off on poverty. I dont think he meant too disparage people who are poor but if you are running a revelatireceiv revolutionary movement, they should be hearing your message. In another time or conversation, this wochb an important conversation to have. I think its a fact of life that in the United States the amount of people who are citizens of the United States who arent registered to vote and could vote are huge and this country would look differently from our elected officials if everybody voted. We have a campaign, its bringing in people to register to vote. It would be a different country if everyone was registered to vote. Its that that conversation at the time you had it. Only people for excuses for losing are people who should probably be out. I cant understand why theres not more pressure to get out. In 2008, there was a crushing voices from the media she did and she was still winning i cant imagine what reason there is other than the chaos on the republican side for him staying in and doing her damage. Hes calling her unqualified making contributions. Cant be the nominee. People believe in that. To call her unqualified and question her ethics. If the republicans were in a stronger position its a reason for him to continue, you still have a small number of states left but weve come this far in the process and voters theres nowhere to go. Made it very clear they want to weigh in. Lets give people a chance. Its called democracy. You have to be the nominee. If you listen to the end of the interview, hes quite positive about the future of the party. Oddly conciliatory at the end. Yes. He knows hes going to lose. But hes willing to offer the branch to secretary clinton and say if she wins the nomination, trump is the make target for democrats and the party will come together. I was struck by that moment at the end, in spite of all weve seen, that his closing statement. I want to go, lets turn back to the republicans here. It was interesting to see is trump pivoting to a general election, had to do with comments he made about Caitlyn Jenner and bathrooms. You leave it the way it is. There have been few complaints the way it is. People go and use the bathroom that they feel is appropriate. There has been so little trouble. If caitlyn would want to use the trump tower, you would be fine with her using any bathroom she chooses . Thats correct. The Cruz Campaign has unloaded on those documents. Let me show you. Guess who joined the ranks of the pc police. They use the bathroom that they feel is appropriate. Donald trump cant be trusted for common sense, why would we trust him in the white house . Nicole, havent seen an attack ad in a long time, thats what he chose to do. Effective or not . Heres where trump is an insult wrapped in a riddle whats also on the line in this cycle is the power and sal entcy of social issues. If trump wins, it delivers a massive blow to the idea you have to be up and down on issues. I was surprised by cruzs decision to do that. In order to win the coming states, he has to rouse the social conservatives. Trumps answer tells us a lot about how he would be in a general election. Hes someone forged in new yorks tabloid Business Culture and has relationships with all kinds of people, not just someone who surrounded himselves with republicans and conservatives and that worries democrats, that he would be appealing to moderates. Hillary clinton has a web video also using the today show moment to make a different point from ted cruz. Watch. I will be changing very rapidly. Im very capable of changing to anything i want to change to. Then they go on to play, its a very long thing. They wasnt to call it an etch a sketch moment. Donald trump has exposed the fact a lot of the base of the Republican Party are not Movement Conservatives who spent anywhere entire lives poring over conservative believe and what he said is common sense. He could be anything in the general election, he could pivot back on social issues to a place where hes not offending democratic thats on that but offend africanamerican women and lets not forget most across the border. The bathroom issue brought cruz and clinton together. Sort of. Got him a lot of credit with the a lot of people. When we come back, the u. S. Insists theres no evidence that any high level Saudi Arabian officials played a role in plotting 9 11. Why does the American Government refuse to release 28 release 28 pages of a i had so many thoughts once i left the hospital after a dvt blood clot. What about my wife. What were building together. And could this happen again . 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President obama has been on the world stage this week, meeting the queen of england and a future king, prince george. Even stayed up past his bedtime to meet the president. He got a smau chilly resemgz in saudi arabia, where he was greeted on the tarmac by a relatively minor member of the royal family. Just the governor of riyadh. Roughly the equivalent of the United States sending a local governor to greet a major foreign leader when they land on u. S. Soil. U. S. saudi relations are strained with renewed calls in washington to declassify 28 pages of a congressional report on 9 11 that some believe allege some direct links to the arab kingdom when it comes to the 9 11 attacks. Its a link the saudis have strenuously denied for years. Im joined by one of the chief proponents of declassifying the pages. Bob graham of florida served as cochair of the committee. A familiar face in that period of time, welcome back to Washington Post. Thank you, chuck. Lets go right to the specifics of the 28 pages. What is in them that the american high levels of american officials and saudi officials fear will change things if they become public . Chuck, to me, the most important unanswered question of 9 11 is did these 19 people conduct the very sophisticated plot alone or were they supported . I think its implausible to think people who couldnt speak english, had never been in the United States before as a group were not well educated, could have done that. So who was the most likely entity to have provided them that support ini think all the evidence point to saudi arabia. We know that saudi arabia started al qaeda. It was a creation of saudi arabia. When you say saudi arabia, are you saying the government or are you saying wealthy individuals who happen to be Saudi Arabian . That is a very murky line. Saudi arabia has made it murky by its own legal action. Whenever a u. S. Group sues a Saudi Arabian entity, whether its a bank, a foundation, a charity, immediately the defense of sovereign immunity is raised. The saudis dont recognize the difference between a Royal Decision and a societal decision in the same way that other countries might. So i think it covers a broad range from the highest ranks of the kingdom through these what would be private entities. Okay, if this gets released publ publicly, and again, i know you dont want to say whats in it. Let me ask you this. One description of these 28 pages is its basically an initial police report, that if you looked at it, you would say, wow, we should investigate that, that, that, and that more. Is that the best way to describe this . No. This report was 850 pages. This is 28 pages out of that. Theres been no questions raised about the professionalism and quality of the other 820 pages in this report. And this chapter followed the same standards that they did. Instead of debating what might be there, why dont we let the American People read the 28 pages and the other thousands of documents that have been withhold that relate to the saudi involvement in 9 11, and then make up their own minds. What keeps this from why is it that why do i feel like candidate barack obama or senator barack obama might be in a different place . What is it within the minute somebody gets into the executive branch, republican or democrat, there is this consensus publicly to protect saudi arabia . I think it goes back to the fact that 60 years ago, Franklin Roosevelt and the king of saudi arabia entered into a special relationship. We provided them with security. They provided us with petroleum. And that has affected the culture and the attitude around this relationship. But i think its fundamentally changed. Its changing almost on a daily basis, as we are less dependent on the saudis for petroleum, as some of the things that the saudis are doing are so dramatically adverse to our interests, such as training the next generation of Young Terrorists in their mosques and schools, their madrassas. The schism between the United States and saudi arabia is now very apparent. I think this is the time to inject the truth of that relationship in the process of deciding what we should be doing in the future. The president , can he order the declassification on his own . Yes, the president has the full responsibility and authority to do so. I hope he will do so. Again, not only for these 28 pages but there are 80,000 documents in a federal courtroom in ft. Lauderdale, florida, relative to an investigation that took place on a relationship between mohammedata, the leader, and two of his henchmen and a prominent saudi Family Living in sarasota. On a scale of 1 to 10, the release of these pages, how would you rate the impact on u. S. saudi relations if they go public . 7. 838. Very accurate there. So you think it will have a high level negative impacts . Yes. Senator bob graham, well leave it there. Do you think well get it done . The president s staff has said theyll make a decision by june. And i hope that decision is to honor the American People and make it available. Senator bob graham, thanks for coming in. Good to see you. Well be back in 45 seconds. A little end game segment, and the game that always gets played late in president ial primary campaigns, veep stakes. A weird one this year. Who will Hillary Clinton pick as a running mate . Well be right back. Coming up, meet the press end game. Brought to you by boeing. Building the future one century at a time. It only takes one genius to change a light bulbyou led bulbs use 85 less energy and last a long time, saving you up to 100 over each bulbs lifetime. So change yours today. End game time. The panel is here. Part of me wants to delve more into the saudi thing. Especially, theres a lot there. Lets go to the New York Times throughout the first of the veep stakes when it comes to at least Hillary Clinton. And i think we have an idea of what the Hillary Clinton short list is, and then the people that they have to publicly say theyre vetting. Let me put up the first five that were mentioned. This feels like an actual clinton official saying this is who the first five preferences are. The two virginia senators and former governors, tim keene and mark warner. Former governor Deval Patrick of massachuset massachusetts. And the labor secretary, tom perez, who joy, i want to start with you. I want to start with him, because he is basically earned his way onto the Clinton Campaigns decision to make him on the short list. This came from a clinton official, and it was perez they put on there initial a. Youre not hearing as much about julian castro, who people fell in love with. With castro, maybe the idea of the age, the juxtaposition of him and Hillary Clinton. So i think there is this thinking that either the Clinton Campaign, just sort of in talking to the clinton world, that they either feel like they need to have a latino to pair with him to galvanize the latino electorate or they need to fix their white male problem and go with somebody who is a progressive white male or al franken, somebody like that, who would be outside of the box. The Clinton Campaign said, sure, we might look at elizabeth warren. Other names, julian castro, elizabeth warren, amy klobuchar, cory booker, and then there was bill nelson, which i may have made, and it seemed to have been thrown in there, youre the flor riddian for florida. Hillary clinton loves the idea that bush and obama have had running mates who basically were not going to pursue the presidency while being vice president. I think ross perot said when he was running for president , in his corporate life, he didnt hire anyone who did want want job. Thats the antithesis of that. But dont real out secretary castro either. Hes an extremely caharismatic person. And tim kaine speaks perfect spanish, reaches out to the community, the Hispanic Community through tellemundo regularly. These are people who may be hidden, have hidden weapons. Im hoping its brown because i can do a shaerrod brown. Deval patrick was intriguing to me. The identity politics reek you dont think well see it on your side . The debate on the republican side isnt who they would pick. Its who would do it. Were in a totally different place, being honest. This is where republicans pull their hairs. Theres such an opportunity on the republican side because this is all about identity politics. It feels very cynical. The entire Marco Rubio Rubio was about politics and say figure we just throw a latino at the electorate you saw how it ended. Republicans dont fall for it. The leadership did, invoters rejected it. Where is the running mate going on the republican side . In 1976, Ronald Reagan picked richard schweiger. At the rnc, they were saying cruz and kasich are considering picking a running mate heading into cleveland to try to get a bounce for their campaigns. Thats going to be fun. We get four veep stakes instead of two. Anyway, you guy were terrific. Finally, in memory of prince, Bruce Springsteen started this show last night by playing a prince classic purple rain so were going to end our broadcast the same way, with bruce playing prince. And of course, as always, if its sunday, its meet the press. Purple rain purple rain purple rain purple rain a live look now from high above the wells fargo center. The capitals and flyers will play game six, the flyers have won two straight to make it a series. A win at home today will extend the series for them. This is our nbc 10 pregame show, flyered up. 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