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And it got us to the same place we looked through everything, we gave them everything workrelated. In fact, we gave them so much they told us theyre sending back 1,200 because they were clearly personal and not work related. Can you respond to an alternative explanation that has sort of another Conspiracy Theory . That perhaps the reason you wanted to have a private server and not a government server is that republicans have been coming after you for years, you might have may have been running for president in the future and you wanted to make it a little more difficult for congressional investigators to subpoena your government emails and more difficult for freedom of information act requests. Is that a fair theory or no . Its totally ridiculous. That never crossed my mind. In fact, since more than 90 of my workrelated emails were on the system they are subject to foia or any other request. Thats how the Benghazi Committee got the emails even before we went through our exhaustive process. Now i have as youre rightly pointing out been involved from the Receiving Side in a lot of these accusations. In fact, as you might remember during the 90s, there was a bunch of them and, you know, all of them turned out to be not true that was the outcome. When i ran for the senate the voters of new york overlooked that, looked at my record, looked a what i would do for them and i was elected senator after going through years of this kind of back and forth and it is regrettable but its part of the season. One of the things about this over the last six months that ive heard from supporters is there that theres an allegation about the email server, you provide an explanation, theres a new allegation, you have to provide a new explanation, theres an addendum, it has the feel of a dripdripdrip. Can you reassure democrats theres nothing else here . Well, it is like a dripdripdrip and thats why i said theres only so much i can control. But what i have tried to do in explaining this is to provide more transparency and more information than anybody i that im aware of has ever served in the government and im happy to do that. I cant predict to you what the republicans will come up with, what kind of charges or claims they might make. I have no control over that. I can only do the best i can to try to respond. The Justice Department has the emails, they have the server. Theyre conducting a security inquiry. They will take whatever necessary steps are required to get this matter resolved . Can you say with 100 certain they the deleted emails that the fbi wont find anything there that will cause you to have to explain again . All i can tell you is that when my attorneys conducted this exhaustive process i do not participate. Why . I didnt look at them. I would want to know what emails. Why wouldnt you want to know . I wanted them the to be as clear in their process as possible. I didnt want to be looking over their shoulder. If they thought it was workrelated it would go to the state department. If not it would not. As i just said, over 1,200 of the emails we were overly inclusive in trying to be comprehensive the state department has said we dont want these, these are personal, not work related. Theyre sending them back. So my attorney said what do you want us to do with the personal emails . I said i dont need them or want them. So they talked to the it server, the technical people responsible for maintaining them and said we dont need them. Thats the limit of my knowledge and i know i was sarcastic in one exchange with the press for which i im sorry guys. Im not a technical expert. I said i dont need them. Whatever happened to them happened to them and im very sure my attorneys did the most meticulous job that could have been done. Would anything having to do with the clinton foundation, that would have been personal or work . Well, it would depend. I do not communicate with the foundation. Other people in the state department did in accordance with the rules that have been adopted . For any of these deleted emails, they wont be foundation related at all . Well, there might be theres going to be a meeting but not anything related to the state department. That was handled by professionals and others in the state department. Let me sort of move on from that a little bit. I say sword of move on because youve taken a hit in the polls. I have. Do you believe you have explained this and there arent any contradictions here . Is the issue not truthfulness but the issue of how youve handled it . Let me say this chuck. I have tried to the best of my ability to be able to respond and if people are uncertain, if they have concerns about these questions around the emails its their choice to say thats going to influence how i think about the election. I understand that, i get it. But i also hope people will look at my life long advocacy for kids and families and women and look at what im proposing, the vision i have for the country to move forward on everything from raising incomes to equal pay for equal work to getting the cost of college down to dealing with high Prescription Drug costs, thats what i hope people focus on and people get to make their minds up. Thats the beauty of our process. People can decide on whatever basis they choose. Your husband did an interview on cnn and he basically put it all on the republicans and a little bit of us on the press, this whole thing that has driven down your poll numbers. Do you bear any responsibility . Well, first of all, i love my husband and he does get upset when i am attacked. I totally get that. But we also get the fact that, look, this is a contest and its fair game for people to raise whatever they choose to raise. As he said i think in that same interview, theyre not giving this job away, you have to get out there and earn it and thats what im trying to do. And of course i take responsibility. It was my choice. It was a mistake back when i did it and im trying to do the best i can to answer all of the questions that people have and as i said during the 90s i was subjected to the same kind of barrage and it was it seemed to be at the time endless. And then when i ran for the Senate People said, hey, we are more concerned about what youll do for us. And i trust the voters to make that decision this time around, too. I want to play a little comp weve put together of some of the positions where your positions have changed a little bit. Take a look. So it is with conviction that i support this resolution as being in the best interest of our nation. Ive made it very clear that i made a mistake, plain and simple. I believe that marriage is not just a bond but a sacred bond between a man and a woman. This morning love triumphed in the highest court in our land. [ cheers and applause ] weve not yet signed off on it but we are inclined to do so. Were either going to be dependent on dirty oille from the gulf or dependent on dirty oil from canada. I oppose it. I oppose it because i dont think its in the best interests of what we need to do to combat Climate Change. How do you respond to critics who say your positions have changed out of political expediency. Whatever the majority is at that time, thats the position you have. Well, i just dont think that reflects either my assessment of issues and i dont think it reflects how people who are thoughtful actually conduct their lives. If we dont learn, if we dont make decisions based on the best information we have available, well, you know, thats regrettable and what ive always tried to do is just say okay, what is the best decision that i can think about making . Now, with those that you did number one on the iraq war vote, ive written about it, ive talked about it, i said it was a mistake. It certainly became a very clear mistake when you saw the way the Bush Administration conducted that war and the decisions that they made. And so i have been very forthright in saying, you know, as i looked at what was happening, it was a mistake. On samesex marriage, like a lot of people, including our president , i did evolve and i was not raised to even imagine this. And im thrilled now that its the law of the land and i have a lot of good friends are who are now able to be married because of the changes weve made legally and constitutionally. When it comes to keystone, you know, i was at the beginning of the process of trying to ev evaluate what was the best outcome. I have did feel that i shouldnt jump in before the president and secretary kerry and make my views known because they here in the middle of that process. But it was uncomfortable to have so many people asking me and my saying im waiting and waiting and it still hasnt happened. I dont know when it will happen. It may have to happen when im president , i hope. So ive said im against it. On the total evaluation. When i made that statement years ago. We did not have the kind of Energy Profile we have. We did not have the full understanding of how the particular oil that would have been extracted from those tar sands was of a different degree of dirtiness and polluting in terms of greenhouse gases. So im not going to sit here and tell people that i make up my mind thats the republicans. They make up their mind, theyre never bothered by evidence. But Bernie Sanders has been where you are on these issues. Bernie sanders was there when it came to marriage 20 years ago. Do you think one of the reasons hes doing well right now is some progressives think, well, you know what . He was there when it wasnt popular. Well he can speak for himself and i respect his views. I can just tell you that i am not someone who stakes out a position and holds it regardless of the evidence or regardless of the way that i perceive whats happening in the world around me. As i was saying, thats where the republicans are. Theyre still believing in trickle down economics even though it was a disaster not once but twice for our country. So i want people because i think my experience on these issues is much more reflective of how people talk to me about how they, too, have evolved and moved in their understanding and i feel very comfortable saying that. I have a lot more questions and the good news is i have a part two interview well do for the new show, my new show mtv daily. We will get into foreign policy, domestic policy, a bunch of stuff. Thank you for coming back to meet the press. Thank you, glad to be here. You can see part two tomorrow on meet the press daily on msnbc. Our latest poll numbers in the its one of the most Amazing Things we build and it doesnt even fly. We build it in classrooms and exhibit halls, mentoring tomorrows innovators. We build it raising roofs, preserving habitats and serving americas veterans. Every day, thousands of boeing volunteers help make their communities the best they can be. Building Something Better for all of us. Earlier we shared our new numbers on the democratic race from our new nbc news wall street journal poll, now to where the republican race stands this morning and, yes, things are getting tighter on that side of the aisle. Donald trump and ben carson are tied at the top. Trump at 21 , carson at 20. Two more in double digits are marco rubio and Carly Fiorina tied at third with 11 . Theyre followed in high Single Digits by jeb bush, john kasich and ted cruz. No one else. If you dont see your candidate there, it means they didnt top 3 . And when you compare these numbers to where we were in july you can see carson, rubio and kasich have doubled their support. On the other hand, bush and cruz saw their support cut in half. By the way theres a name you dont see on the board at all, it was scott walker in july. Walker was in second place alone at 15 and he dropped out of the race a week ago. Another big change is for Carly Fiorina. She came from nothing. She was at zero to where she is today, tied for im watson. And today hundreds of companies are putting me to work. Im teaching watson to help your vet speak dog. Youre a dog, right . Im teaching watson to help you make healthy choices. Im teaching watson to help design a vacation around your personality. 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Are you willing now to concede that you exaggerated that scene . No, not at all. That scene absolutely does exist, and that voice sang what i said they were saying, were going to keep it alive to harvest its brain exists as well. Heres the thing. Yesterday you saw that moment on the tape . At a Football Game you saw that moment on the tape. Yes, and i would challenge planned parenthood. Heres the deal. Yesterday i was protested by planned parenthood people who were throwing condoms at me. I dont know what that has to do with this. Theyre trying to distract the American People from the hideous reality that planned parenthood is aborting fetuses alive to harvest their brains and other body parts. That is a fact. Planned parenthood will not and cannot deny this because it is happening. It is happening in this nation. Taxpayers are paying for it. Planned parenthood desperately wants everyone to think this isnt going on because when americans realize it is going on, whether they are prolife or prochoice, they are horrified. This goes to the character of our nation, and it must be stopped. The footage you describe at best is a reenactment. The videos the people that made the videos admitted stock footage, yet you went right along and said its planned parenthood. Chuck, chuck, chuck, do you think this is not happening . Does Hillary Clinton think this is not happening . So sad that you miss the opportunity to ask mrs. Clinton why she said lateterm abortions were only performed for medical purposes. That is patently false. This is happening in america today, and taxpayers are paying for it. That is a fact. It is a reality, and no one can run away from it. But you are ducking the specific of this question. And i guess im trying im not i am not i am not ducking a Washington Post et territorial is calling it a fullfledged falsehood, miss fiorina. Theyre saying it doesnt excuse your mistruths. They say they understand you have a deeply held belief on abortion but that youre exaggerating this specific claim. No. Well, first of all, the Washington Post also claims that im lying about being a secretary, so lets get real. I dont even know how to deal with that. I was a secretary parttime to put myself through college and fulltime after i graduated. The Washington Post gave me three pinocchios for claiming that i was a secretary. So honestly, i dont think the Washington Post has a lot of credibility here. This is not about being prolife or prochoice. It is certainly not about birth control. It is not even about Womens Health. It is about the character of our nation. No one can deny this is happening because it is happening. Do you believe this is still something that republicans in congress should force a Government Shutdown over and have this showdown with the president . I believe if the president of the United States and democrats are willing to stand up and defend for what is roughly a 500 million to 00 million line item in the budget, if they are willing to stand up and defend this practice and shut down the government over it, then let them explain it to the American People. So you want this showdown. You think Republican Leaders in congress should force this showdown. I believe there are a variety of ways to deal with this, but i believe this is something we must stand up and fight for because it is about the character of our nation. Taxpayers are funding this ak ti and not only that, not only are taxpayers having to fund this butchery, but planned parenthood doles out millions of dollars every single election cycle to democrat candidates. This is a political slush fund on top of being butchery that americans, again, whether theyre prolife or prochoice, cannot support. Do you believe any of the money planned parenthood uses is for good from the federal government . Im sure it is. Im sure it is. But you know what i find amazing, the hypocrisy of democrats who stand up and oppose every time taxpayer funding for, say, Pregnancy Centers that are also very much focused on Womens Health, but, no, democrats dont want taxpayer funding for Pregnancy Centers. I just visited one in south carolina. They are all privately funded. This is hypocrisy on democrats part. This is about a political slush fund. It is about the character of our nation. And, yes, we should stand up and fight on this issue. In 2010 in your senate race you called rowe v wade a decide issue and said you would fight to turn it over. Whats changed . The americans peoples views have evolved on this so lets just take one example. The majority of women, the majority of young people, the majority of americans now believe that abortion for any reason at all after five months is wrong, just as they believe that the butchery of live fetuses for body parts is wrong. So i think we ought to pass the pain capable unborn Child Protection about now. It is good politics. It is also good policy. And shame on democrats who stood and blocked it because the majority of americans now disagree with where democrats are. The democrat policy is it is not a life until it leaves the hospital. The vast majority of americans oppose that policy. Let me play for you theres some concerns with some republicans, as excited as they are about your candidacy, that theyre concerned your time at h. P. Is going to be a liability a la mitt romney. Let me play for you an ad Barbara Boxer used against you and ask you to respond on the other side. As the ceo of h. P. Carly fiorina laid off 30,000 workers. When youre talking about massive layoffs, which we did, perhaps the work needs to be done somewhere else. And while californians lost their jobs, fiorina tripled her salary, bought a milliondollar yacht and five corporate jets. Can you reassure republicans who are still shellshocked over what the Obama Campaign was effectively able to do to mitt romney on the issue of layoffs, thats whats going on around the country wont happen to you . When Barbara Boxer played that ad, her lead grew. Yeah. You know, i find it very rich. Barbara boxer, Hillary Clinton, all the democrats who are attacking me, theyve never created a job. Theyve never saved a job. And their policies destroy jobs including mrs. Clintons latest position on keystone pipeline. Look, i have run to problems all my life. Its how you go from secretary to ceo. And i think people are looking far president who will run to the problems that this nation faces. Yes, i led h. P. Through a very difficult time. The nasdaq dropped 80 . Some of our strongest competitors went out of business all together, taking every job with them. We saved 80,000 jobs. We went on to grow to 150,000 jobs. We quadrupled the growth rate of the company, quadrupled the cash flow of the company, tripled the rate of innovation of the company, and went from lagging behind to leading in every single product and every single market. I will run on that record all day long. You dont think it will be a liability. At the end of the day, the jobs youre talking about that grew and expanded were jobs overseas for after the h. P. That is false. That is false. That is false. There were no american jobs. No . That is false, chuck. That is false. Heres the thing about business. Politicians can spin words, but in business you actually have a record of results and, in fact, i had to stand up and report those results every single quarter. And if i misremitted our resupr results or projections in any way i could be hell criminally liable. Imagine if any other candidate running for president was held to that same account. There were many jobs that left california, and you know where they went . To the state of texas because the state of texas had a set of policies in place that made job creation and job salvation easier than the state of california. This is what democrats always want to talk about. They want to slam job creators. But the truth is democrat policies, the ones that Bernie Sanders, the ones that Hillary Clinton, and the ones that Barbara Boxer pursue destroy jobs all day long. Steve ratner in an oped in the New York Times noted that one of the things you have used to defend your time at h. P. And defend being fired is people like steve jobs had been fired in the past and there were other successful, eventual successful ceos. But he asked this question in there why didnt another company hire you as a ceo . Why didnt you have another fulltime job in the private sector after you left hp . Well, steve ratner, you know, a political operative masquerading as a business analyst, we have a couple other of those as well. Because i didnt want to go back to work as a ceo. Thats why. Because i had done that. Because i had been in a very highpressure chief executive job had you been recruited . Yes. I was offered many jobs as a ceo in the Bush Administration, i wanted a break, and then i wanted to give back. And so over time i became the chairman of two charities in this nation, work of which i am also very proud. I advised the cia as the chairman of the advisory board. I advised two secretaries of defense, a secretary of homeland security. I believed it was time for me to use my experience in other realms, whether it was policy or government or charity. What do you make of Speaker Boehners decision . Do you think he made the correct decision to step down . Well, i do. I think every leader has a season, and i think John Boehners season was coming to an end and he understood that. And i hope now that we will move on and have leadership in both the house and the senate that will produce results. I think leaders produce results, and i think republicans are quite frustrated having worked very hard to restore historic majorities to the house and a majority to the senate that there havent been a lot of results. And so ive asked for three very specific things. One, pass a Border Security bill. Two, pass the raines about, which would give congress the authority to oversee all of these rules that are rolling out of the administration. Of course we talked about Defunding Planned Parenthood and it would be great, actually, if the house and the senate would pass the bills that deny finally the special exemptions they get for obamacare. Is Mitch Mcconnell leading in the right way on the senate side of things . We will see. He has been a leader for a very short period of time. Not even one session. Leaders produce results. Is he producing results . Well, well see. So i take it not yet or to be continued . Well, i think we will see. Fair enough. Carly fiorina, stay safe on the campaign trail. Thanks for coming back to meet the press. Thanks, chuck. Coming up, reaction from our panel. Panel. A great panel to discuss jake reese, day to feel alive jake reese, day to feel alive jake reese, day to feel alive and sleep deprived. Bring us those who want to feel well rested. Aleve pm. The only one to combine a sleep aid. Plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. Be a morning person again with aleve pm. I will take beauty into my own hands. Where it belongs. Olay regenerist. It regenerates surface cells. New skin is revealed in only 5 days. Without drastic measures. Stunningly youthful. Awardwinning skin. Never settle for anything less. The regenerist collection. From the worlds 1. 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David brooks, Andrea Mitchell nbcs chief Foreign Affairs correspondent, Andrew Ross Sorkin of the New York Times and cohost of cnbcs squawk box celebrating 20 years. You have not been there 20 years and Eugene Robbins at the Washington Post who i think has been at the post for 20 years. A little more than that but lets not all right, ive done enough talking. Lets start with the Hillary Clinton interview. Your first reactions, andrea . She is carefully saying that im not an i. T. Person, im not technical. We know that about her. It was the i. T. People, it was the lawyers who decided which emails to delete, which to turn over. So shes building in deniability here. Her affect, her lack of an adversarial contentious interview striking a different tone from Hillary Clinton. But shes basically not dealing with the question that there is this continued dripdripdrip and she can not get to the policies that she wants to talk about. She tries to pivot to it, she does in your interview later and tomorrow but she cant this is all you know, shadowing overshadowing what she wants to be talking about and that is the reason why she is hurting in the polls. David, we have these poll numbers, its down 16 points in new hampshire, her favorable ratings continue to slide. Well, shes having more fun today. Sometimes shes campaigning like shes in napoleons march on moscow. This was a little more upbeat, a little more fun but shes still in her own bubble, not where the country is but sort of in the clinton bubble and finally as andrea said, she spent her entire political career on the defensive whether it was the rose law firm, whether it was benghazi, whether it was her husbands shenanigans. Shes basically she has a defensive posture and shes erecting wall, not trusting people and theres no romance. People, especially this year, want a little romance, they want ideological action going outward but shes on the defensive. Thats the core problem. Its not the emails. Nobody will disqualify her as president because she used one server versus another, thats not the scandal. Its her attitude. Gene, you want to pick up on. That i kind of agree with you david but i see in the a somewhat differently. I think if i were with the Clinton Campaign i would be very pleased with that appearance because she asked her very tough questions, you stayed on the email scandal, you kind of took her through it and i thought that was her best presentation on that subject by far so far because of her affect, because of the way she smilingly went through it. She was able to be she seemed less defensive crouchish to me today, more open, more willing just as long as you want to talk about it, chuck. Lets talk about it. That was the best shes done on that issue. Lets pivot to Carly Fiorina. Youve been a tough critic of hers yourself. Can she let elected president with her hp record. The question is if the public cares about her hp record. But if you do care about her record, its a bad record. She talks about in the this this very relative way, relative to where things were at the time but even relatively it was relatively terrible and she talks about itm peer al empiri. She lost 60 billion of investors money. In business theres a report card, that is her report card and even if we were to look at it and say, okay, so what about to ibm . What about to dell . By orders of magnitude worse and even more so, when you think about politics, shes selling something. When she was the ceo of hp she told investors targets, what she was going to do and she missed them repeatedly to the score, by the way of 2. 4 million in missed targets. Now, whether the public scares about those numbers, thats a different question. David, where she showed passion, she is not accepting any of the fact checks on this planned parenthood thing and she really doesnt want to shes basically saying details dont matter, you should be outraged. To andrews point, its not clear that reality matters to the electorate right now and i think thats true with trump, its true with her. Some people are great campaigners and some people are good in reality. So far the good in reality people are not doing so well in the polls. I think jeb bush falls into that category. Hes a bad campaigner. Shes aggressive. It was interesting to watch the clinton interview and the fiorina interview. Clinton i agree with gene, she was very she answered every question clearly. Fiorina does not accept the concept that she should answer these questions. Shes on the offensive, shes throwing blows. No matter what you ask her shes throwing blows at democrats and on permanent offense. Which may explain why shes getting and thats where the country is. Thats the ethos of the country. Certainly the republican primary voters. Lets face facts here. The facts are also that that fetus was from a pennsylvania miscarriage. That fetus had nothing to do with planned parenthood and planned parenthood does not get federal money for abortions period. Abortions are 3 of their work, the rest is Womens Health care. That said, youre right, Carly Fiorina is in tune with the mood of the electorate. The electorate in both political parties. Is Hillary Clinton in tune with the mood . Not so far. Shes not angry enough. And its hard for her to be angry because then youve got donald trump saying shes shrill which is a sexist word, lets face it, but she has to get around that. But the anger, the passion is all on people going on the attack. Whether its donald trump, whether its Carly Fiorina, or whether it eeits Bernie Sander and this is the mood, this is the electorate that just forced john boehner out of his job. But i was floored by that because she simply would not deal with the factual issue. She would not deal with the issue that she has misrepresented the facts about that video and you correctly told her what the facts are and she simply wouldnt deal with it. I dont think you can continue to do that on a specific issue time after time after time because people are going to keep bringing it up until you acknowledge that, yes, these the facts. She wouldnt acknowledge that. You seem to think the laws of gravity are applying this year but so far they havent applied. Can i just tell you, bill kristal wrote this great column where he said everybody has predicted things will revert to norm. Hillary clinton will be the nominee, biden wont run, jeb bush will probably end up as the nominee and these outsiders will go away. Yet who three weeks ago, as he writes, would have predicted that scott walker would drop out and Speaker Boehner would resign in the same weeks. I think the laws of gravity will come back. Ill step on the scale and say the same thing, im afraid of that scale. The headline out of our poll today is marco rubio. Marco rubio is now tied with Carly Fiorina and hes moving up. I would say the two things in the poll is hes not inherenting anything from trump. Hes not the outsider candidate. Fiorina grabbed. It and rubio is grabbing the plausible candidate mantra right now. But gravity is money and at some point even though we never thought trump or fiorina or rubio would be where they are today, the money will follow them because there are people who are jeb bush people who at some point will say the train is leaving the station. Very quickly, last word. The time is important and so is rubio peaking too early . I think cruz might be in a better position. Who knows . Head down. Well find out next week. Thanks for the round table. Well have more in a bit. I want to show you these pictures. People are gathering in philadelphia where pope francis will celebrate mass this evening. A Million People are expected in the city of brotherly love. Well be back in less than a minute with our end game segment and a papal visit unlike any other. Good journalism is about telling a story from more than one perspective. Embracing diversity can enrich your story by allowing you to see things from more than just one point of view. Thats a story worth telling. The more you know. Look at this scene right now of folks gathering in philadelphia where people are ready for a mass from pope francis that hell be giving later this afternoon. The pope, of course, has asked many to pray for him as hes delivered a political message of social justice and the need to help those in poverty. During his speech before congress, he mentioned two americans whose names you may not have been familiar with Thomas Merton and dorothy day. Some to say, neither were perfect catholics. Merton was a monk, a prolific writer and a supporter of the nonviolent civil rights movement. Dorothy day some called a radical journalist. After converting to catholicism, she helped create the Catholic Worker Movement that still exists to help those in need. I want to bring in george weigel, our senior vatican analyst. George, let me ask you how much does dorothy day and Thomas Merton and the popes decision to use those names along with Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther king, what does that tell us about his own politics . It tells us that hes basically a christian radical, chuck, and a pastor. Lots of us who dont necessarily share dorothy days pacifism during world war ii or Thomas Mertons views of the vietnam war still find these entirely admirable people because of the dean, deep quality of their faith. And the struggles they went through. Dorothy day called her autobiography the long loneliness. This was someone who knew that christianity was very demanding and did her darnedest for decades to live that radical gospel both in her own Spiritual Life and in her service to others. Thomas merton was deeply steeped in traditional monofast i c ala traditions around the world. Monofast i can and introduced america to this classic notion of meditation contemplative life. So the pope was not sending a political signal. A lot of people are trying to read tea leaves into what the pope said in front of congress. It seems as if he emphasized issues like Climate Change and the economy and he deemphasized issues like abortion and marriage. Is that a fair take away or do you think the media is overhyping it . No, i dont think its a fair take away. The connecting thread through the four big speeches here congress, the u. N. , Independence Hall in philadelphia and i expect well hear it at mass this evening is religious freedom. And that concern of the popes, religious freedom in full, the ability of the churchs institutions to be themselves. According to their own conviction of faith and conscious was dramatically underscored on wednesday night when he paid an unexpected visit to the home for indigent elderly run by the Little Sisters of the poor Near Catholic University in washington. The Little Sisters of the poor are suing the Obama Administration on the famous obamacare basically a not so subtle message is what you are saying . There was nothing subtle about that and for a guy whos not supposed to be judgmental he was making judgments. Fair enough. George weigel, we are always indebted to you when we cover anything having to do with the papacy. We appreciate it here at nbc news. George, what a week youve had. Thank you, sir. Thanks, chuck. Let me bring in the panel. David brooks, the thing that caught me the most on congress is heres somebody who lives in italy. Obviously not italy, technically, the vatican is its own country but lives on another continent and when he spoke before congress he knew the first thing he had to talk about was polarization and he lectured them in a very nice way. What does that say about congress . Well, the catholic has a history of that, too. Hes operating on a different axis than the rest of us. Were on a horizontal axis, hes up and down. What he did was to defeat polarization the right way by lifting hearts and uplifting souls. Whether youre republican or democrats, i think everyone felt uplifted. What he said this week is that hundreds of thousands of people will have their hearts open by his presence and some percentage of their life will be alter bid this week. Today in philadelphia thereby alrea there will be tens of thousands of people who have had their life change. Is francis and obama going to be bonded together generation from now the way john paul and reagan were . Yes, on particularly on cuba and iran. We were up there, i was up there at congress and the most incredible uplifting spirit and then 24 hours later exactly 24 hours later we are in a world war up there with boehner resigning and now youll have a huge fight over who will be majority leader. We assume Kevin Mccarthy will rise up. Not assuming anything anymore in this race. I have to tell you as boehner was resigning, i was in new york and the most moving experience that i had was watching the pope at ground zero in the interfaith prayer. Go online and watch that because that was profound. Go ahead, very quickly. Speaker boehner was one of the people most profoundly affected by the popes presence. He was deeply moved, hes a devout catholic. One wonder what is that had to do with his timing and how it will affect his next month and his last month as speaker. Very quickly, i have to show you this. Weve been discussing the huge crowds that the popes visit is attracted. Plenty of emotion shone by john boehner but look at this, Pennsylvania Democratic congressman bob brady decided he wanted a unique memento of the papal visit. After the pope finished his speech to congress, brady helped himself to that very glass of water that the pontiff had been zipping from as he made his address. Brady, who said he believes the water in the glass is holy, shared some of it with members of his family and staffers in his office. He intends to sprinkle the rest on his grandchildren and get this, this is not the first time brady has done this. He swiped president obamas glass after the inauguration in 09. Though he says he hasnt drank from it. Thats an interesting fireplace mantle thing. Is that a collection you want to start . Does he keep the glasses . He keeps the glasses. He physically keeps the glasses. This is the philadelphia way. Wafers and wine. I dont think thats how you make holy water. You know, you have to give him credit. He was throwing himself in there. Thats all we have today. Ill be back tomorrow now on msnbc at 5 00 p. M. Eastern for my show mtp daily. I have the second part of my interview with Hillary Clinton and much more. We talk about syria and libya in particular so tune in for that because if its monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday or friday its mtp daily and well be back next week because if its sunday its meet the press. Today, back open. Traffic is now able to travel over the ben franklin bridge and onto the highways through philadelphia that had been closed for the popes visit. After the history making weekend, comes the cleanup. Crews have been working to get the parkway and center city ready for the monday commute. On this monday, the First Alert Weather Team is tracking showers and fog out there as you can see from this view of the center city skyline. Not everybody will see the rain today, and before the showers move in, we are in for a warm start to the week. 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