Apologizing for sending an innocent man to death row for 30 years. In 2014, glenn ford was finally exonerated and released by the District Attorney, who still defends the system. Have you no compassion for what mr. Ford has been through . Well, you dont know me at all, do you . But you have no problem asking that question. Whitaker no, i am asking because i am seeking an answer. Im not in the compassion business. Stahl security is tight at the large hadron collider. You need an iris scan to get inside. Thank you. You have been identified. Power, cooling. Stahl the entire complex is buried deep underground. This is the detector right here. Stahl its believed to be the largest and most complex machine mankind has ever created. The things its searching for sound like theyre straight out im steve kroft. Im leslie stahl. Im bill whitaker. Im Sharyn Alfonsi. Im scott pelley. Those stories, tonight on 60 minutes. This portion of 60 minutes is sponsored by the lincoln summer invitation. 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Telephone networks and online banking. Almost everything you can imagine is linked to the world wide web, and the emperor of it all is the smartphone. Be careful about what you say and do on your phone. But after you see what we found, you wont need to be warned again. We heard we could find some of the worlds best hackers in germany, so we headed for berlin. Just off a trendy street and through this alley, we rang the bell ae karsten nohl hi im karsten. Alfonsi thats where we met karsten nohl. Come on in. Alfonsi a german hacker with a doctorate in Computer Engineering from the university of virginia. You can lead the way. We were invited for a rare look at the inner workings of Security Research labs. During the day, the lab advises fortune 500 companies on team of hackers looks for flaws in the devices we use everyday smartphones, usb sticks and sim cards. They are trying to find vulnerabilities before the bad guys do, so they can warn the public about risks. At computer terminals and work benches equipped with micro lasers, they physically and digitally break into systems and devices. Alfonsi now, nohls team is probing the security of mobile phone networks. Is one phone more secure than another . Is an iphone more secure than an android . Nohl all phones are the same. Alfonsi if you just have somebodys phone number, what could you do . Nohl track their whereabouts, know where where they go for work, which other people they meet when you can spy on whom they call and what they say over the phone. Whether nohls group could actually do what they claimed. So we sent an offtheshelf iphone from 60 minutes in new york to representative ted lieu, a congressman from california. He has a Computer Science degree from stanford and is a member of the House Committee that oversees information technology. He agreed to use our phone to talk to his staff knowing they would be hacked. And they were. All we gave nohl was the number of the 60 minutes iphone that alfonsi hello congressman . Its Sharyn Alfonsi from 60 minutes. As soon as i called congressman lieu on his phone good. How are you doing . Nohl and his team were listening and recording both ends of our conversation. Im calling from berlin. I wonder if i might talk to you about this hacking story were working on. Nohl what hacking story . Alfonsi they were able to do it by exploiting a security flaw they discovered in signaling it is a littleknown, but vital Global Network that connects phone carriers. Congressman, thank you so much for helping us. Every person with a cell phone needs ss7 to call or text each other. Though most of us have never heard of it. Nohl says attacks on cell phones are growing as the number of mobile devices explodes. But ss7 is not the way most hackers break into your phone. Those hacks are on display in las vegas. John hering three days of nonstop hacking. Alfonsi thats where john hering guided us through the Unconventional Convention where 20,000 hackers get together every year to share secrets and test their skills. Hering its proving whats possible. Any system can be broken. Its just about knowing how to break it. Alfonsi hering is a hacker himself. Hes the thirtysomething whiz who cofounded the mobile Security Company lookout when that scans your mobile phone for malware and alerts the user to an attack. How likely is it that somebodys phone has been hacked . Hering in todays world, theres really only two types of companies or two types of people which are those who have been hacked and realize it and those who have been hacked and havent. Alfonsi how much do you think people have been kind of ignoring the security of their cell phones, thinking, ive got a passcode, i must be fine . Hering i think that most people have not really thought about their es and that thats really starting to shift. Alfonsi and thats what you think . Its like having a laptop now . Hering oh absolutely. I mean, your mobile phone is effectively a supercomputer in your pocket. Theres more technology in your mobile phone than was in, you know, the space craft that took man to the moon. I mean, its its really unbelievable. Alfonsi is everything hackable . Hering yes. Alfonsi everything . Hering yes. Alfonsi if somebody tells you, you cant do it. Hering i dont believe it. Alfonsi john hering offered to prove it. Each of them a specialist in cracking mobile devices and figuring out how to protect them. Adam laurie would you put your money in a bank that didnt test their locks on their safes . We need to try and break it to make sure that the bad guys cant. Alfonsi how easy is it to break the phone right now . John oberheide very easy. Laurie as youve seen, pretty trivial. Alfonsi do i need to connect to it . Okay. It started when we logged onto the hotel wifi. At least it looked like the hotel wifi. Its called spoofing. I mean, this looks legitimate. Hering it looks very legitimate. So youre connected . Alfonsi i am. Hering and i have your email. laughs alfonsi you have access to my email right now hering yeah. Its coming through right now. I actually can s i know have a ridesharing application up here, all the information thats being transmitted, including your account i. D. , your mobile phone, which i just got the mobile number. With that account. Alfonsi Jon Oberheide pointed out the greatest weakness in mobile security is human nature. Jon oberheide with social engineering, you cant really fix the human element. Humans are gullible. They install malicious applications. They give up their passwords every day. And its really hard to fix that human element. Alfonsi john hering warned us he could spy on anyone through their own phone as long as the phones camera had a clear view. Desk and set up cameras to record a demonstration. First he sent a text message with an attachment to download. Hering were in business. Alfonsi then hering called from san francisco. desk phone rings and proved the hack worked. Hering i installed some malware in your device thats broadcasting video of your phone. Alfonsi my phones not even lit up. Hering i understand, yeah. Alfonsi thats so creepy. Katie its pitch black for us. Alfonsi in this case, when i of my phone. But congressman lieu didnt have to do anything to get attacked. All karsten nohls team in berlin needed to get into the congressmans phone was the number. Remember ss7, that littleknown global phone network we told you about earlier . Nohl ive been tracking the congressman. Alfonsi theres a flaw in it that allowed nohl to intercept and record the congressmans calls and track his movements in washington and back home. Nohl the congressman has been in california, more specifically the l. A. Area. Zoom in here a little bit, torrance. Alfonsi the ss7 network is the heart of the worldwide mobile phone system. Phone Companies Use ss7 to Exchange Billing information. Billions of calls and Text Messages travel through its arteries daily. It is also the network that allows phones to roam. Are you able to track his Location Services and turns that off . Nohl yes. The mobile network independent from the little g. P. S. Chip in your phone knows where you are. So any choices that a congressman couldve made, choosing a phone, choosing a pin number, installing or not installing certain apps, have no influence over what we are showing because this is targeting the mobile network. That of course, is not controlled by any one customer. Alfonsi despite him making good choices. Youre still able to get to his phone. Nohl exactly. Alfonsi karsten nohl and his team were legally granted access to ss7 by several International Cell phone carriers. In exchange, the carriers wanted nohl to test the Networks Vulnerability to attack. Thats because criminals have proven they can get into ss7. Nohl mobile networks are the only place in which this problem can be solved. There is no global policing of ss7. Each mobile network has to move and that is hard. Alfonsi nohl and others told us some u. S. Carriers are easier to access through ss7 than others. 60 minutes contacted the cellular phone trade association to ask about attacks on the ss7 network. They acknowledged there have been reports of Security Breaches abroad, but assured us that all u. S. Cell phone networks were secure. Congressman lieu was on a u. S. Network using the phone we lent hacking demonstration from berlin. I just want to play for you something we were able to capture off of your phone. Hi ted its marc, how are you . Representative lieu im good. I sent you some revisions on the letter to the n. S. A. , regarding the the data collection. Representative lieu wow. Alfonsi what is your reaction to knowing that they were listening to all of your calls . Representative lieu i have two. First, its really creepy. Alfonsi makes you angry, why . Representative lieu they could hear any call of pretty much anyone who has a smartphone. It could be stock trades you want someone to execute. It could be calls with a bank. Alfonsi karsten nohls team automatically logged the numbers of every phone that called congressman lieu. Which means, theres a lot more damage that could be done than just intercepting that one phone call. A malicous hacker would be able to target and attack every one of the other phones too. So give us an idea, without being too specific, of the types of people that would be in a congressmans phone. Representative lieu there are other members of congress, other elected officials. Last year, the president of the United States called me on my cell phone. And we discussed some issues. So if the hackers were listening in, they would know that phone conversation. And thats immensely troubling. Alfonsi nohl told us the ss7 flaw is a significant risk, mostly to political leaders and private communications could be of high value to hackers. The ability to intercept cell phone calls through the ss7 network is an open secret among the worlds intelligence agencies, including ours, and they dont necessarily want that hole plugged. If you end up hearing from the intelligence agencies that this flaw is extremely valuable to them and to the information that theyre able to get from it, what would you say to that . People who knew about this flaw and saying that should be fired. Alfonsi should be fired . Representative lieu absolutely. Alfonsi why . Representative lieu you cannot have 300some million americans and really, right, the global citizenry be at risk of having their phone conversations intercepted with a known flaw, simply because some intelligence agencies might get some data. That is not acceptable. Hering id say, that the average person is not going to be exposed to the type of attacks we showed you today. Our goal was to show whats possible. Issues, what the state of the world will be . Alfonsi which will be what . Hering we live in a world where we cant trust the technology that we use. Alfonsi since our report first aired in april, Security Researchers in germany said theyve watched ss7 access for sale by criminals grow dramatically. And a week ago, the mobile Security Experts at lookout revealed a flaw in Iphone Software that allowed hackers to apple quickly issued a worldwide fix. Good evening. 37 oil and gas wastewater wells are shutting down in oklahoma following an earthquake felt in seven states. Months floods caused more than 8. 7 million in damage. And wednesday apple is expected to unveil the iphone 7 in a new apple watch. Theres something out there. That can be serious, even fatal to infants. Its whooping cough, and people can spread it without knowing it. Understand the danger your new grandchild faces. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist about whitaker there may be no greater miscarriage of justice than to wrongfully convict person of murder and sentence him to death. But, as we first reported in october, thats exactly what happened to glenn ford. He spent nearly 30 years on death row in solitary confinement, in louisianas notorious angola prison, until new evidence revealed he did not commit the murder. Ford was one of 150 inmates freed from death row since the u. S. Supreme court reinstated have likely never heard a prosecutor admit his role and apologize for his mistakes in sending an innocent man to death row, but, tonight, a prosecutors confession. Marty stroud, speaks of an injustice he calls so great it destroyed two lives glenn fords and his own. Marty stroud i ended up, without anybody elses help, putting a man on death row who didnel i mean, at the end of the day the beginning, end, middle, whatever you want to call it i did something that was very, very bad. Whitaker it was 1983, shreveport, louisiana, and 32 yearold prosecutor marty stroud was assigned his first Death Penalty case. A local jeweler, isadore rozeman, had been robbed and murdered. Quickly, stroud zeroed in on glenn ford. Rozeman and was known to be a petty thief, and he admitted he had pawned some of the stolen jewelry. All that was enough to make him the primary suspect. Stroud knew a conviction would boost his career. Stroud i was arrogant, narcissistic, caught up in the culture of winning. Whitaker win regardless of the facts, the truth . Stroud looking back on it, yes. There was a question aboth i should have followed up on that. I didnt do that. Whitaker why didnt you . Stroud i think my failure to Say Something can only be described as cowardice. I was a coward. Whitaker stroud now admits the cards and the system were stacked against ford from the beginning his courtappointed lawyers had never practiced criminal law. What kind of law did they practice . Stroud one individual had general civil practice, and another one did succession whitaker in a murder trial . Stroud here they are in a murder trial in louisiana where a man was on trial for his life. And at the time, i saw nothing wrong with that. In fact, i snickered from time to time, saying that this was going to be. Were going to get though this case pretty quickly. Whitaker strouds case wasnt strong. There was no physical evidence linking ford to the crime. The main witness incriminating ford admitted in court shed been coerced by police to make up her testimony. But what was more important to marty stroud was the composition of the jury. Stroud there were no African Americans on the jury. Whitaker was that by design . Stroud at the time of the case, we excluded African Americans because we. I felt that they would not consider a Death Penalty where you had a black defendant and a white victim. Final call on the case with respect to jurors. And i was. I was wrong. Whitaker caddo parish, louisiana, is predominately white. Yet 77 of those given the Death Penalty here in the last 40 years have been black. Stroud so, when glenn ford walks into that courtroom, hes got a count of 0 and 2 against him, and a fast balls coming right at his head for strike three. Whitaker it took the jury less than three hours to find glenn ford guilty. Afterwards, stroud and his legal team went out and celebrated sending ford to death row. Stroud i had drinks. I slapped people on the back. We sang songs. That was utterly disgusting. You know, it. You see mother justice sometimes and. A statue, and she has a blindfold over her eyes. She was crying that night that wasnt justice at all. Whitaker ford was put in solitary confinement in one of the most infamous lockups in america, angola. The maximum security prison has a wellearned reputation for harsh penalties and harsher conditions. Summer temperatures on death row commonly exceed 104 degrees. Stroud death row, you have maybe a five by sevenfoot cell. Youre in there every day. Walk around and you come back in. You do that day after day, year after year, and thats it. He was basically thrown in to a cell and forgotten. Whitaker ford would become one of the countrys longest serving death row inmates. Stroud went on to a successful legal career. But all that changed when one of the initial suspects, a man the jeweler three decades earlier. Robinson is now in prison for another murder. A court review of the new information found there was credible evidence. Glenn ford was neither present at, nor a participant in, the robbery and murder of isadore rozeman. Strouds reaction when he was told ford was innocent . Stroud i thought i was going to throw up, nauseous as it. And i felt my face was just turning, like a fever. But then the horror of knowing that yours truly had caused him all this pain. Whitaker in 2014, ford was exonerated and released from angola. Pictures of his first free moments captured a rainbow in the sky and a smile on his face. What was it like to step outside the walls of that prison . Glenn ford like stepping in a brand new world, like breathing fresh air for the first time. Whitaker but that good feeling didnt last. Shortly after being released, ford learned he had stagefour lung cancer. Doctors told him he had only a few months to live. When we met glenn ford, he was living in new orleans in a home for released prisoners. Ford and that hurts. Whitaker just to swallow water . Ford feel like a flame whitaker you were on death row for 30 years. Ford yes. Whitaker did you ever come close to an execution date . Ford cwi because the judge said he was retiring, and he wanted to put a death date on me. Whitaker did mr. Ford get justice in this case . Dale cox i think he has gotten delayed justice. Whitaker dale cox was the acting District Attorney of caddo parish. He got glenn ford released after receiving the informants information. As he sees it, the Justice System worked and no one, including marty stroud, did anything wrong. Cox i dont know what it is i think hes wrong in that the system did not fail mr. Ford. Whitaker it did not . Cox it did not. In fact. Whitaker how can you say that . Cox because hes not on death row. And thats how i can say it. Whitaker getting out of prison after 30 years is justice . Cox well, its better than dying there and its better than being executed. Whitaker there may have been no more controversial prosecutor in the u. S. Than dale cox. Parish office put more people on death row per capita than anywhere else in the country. Cox i think society should be employing the Death Penalty more rather than less. Whitaker but there have been ten other inmates on death row in louisiana who have been exonerated. Clearly, the system is not flawless. Are you sure that youve gotten right. Whitaker reasonably confident . Cox am i arrogant enough, am i narcissistic enough to say i couldnt make a mistake . Of course not. Whitaker but until this information came out, the state was convinced that mr. Ford was guilty. Cox yes. Whitaker he could have been killed. Cox yes. Whitaker and it wouldve been a mistake. Cox yes. Whitaker it sounds like youre saying thats just a risk we have to take. Cox yes. If i had gotten this information too late, all of us wouldve been grieved beyond description. We dont want to do this to people who are not guilty of the crime theyre charged with. Whitaker according to louisiana law, glenn ford was entitled to 330,000, about 11,000 for every year of wrongful imprisonment. But the state is denying him the money. Why . Prosecutors said ford knew a robbery of rozemans jewelry shop was going to take place. But he didnt report it. Ford was never charged with that crime, but the state says thats reason enough to deny him. Do you believe he should be compensated for the time he spent in prison . Cox no, i think we need to follow the law. And the statute does not require that you be charged or convicted or arrested for any of these other crimes. The statute only these other crimes. Whitaker so hes guilty until proven innocent, in this case . Cox no, because its not a question of guilt or innocence. Its a question of whether hes entitled to money, taxpayer money. Whitaker but you say he has to prove that hes innocent of these other charges, these other crimes for which hes never been charged, for which hes never been tried. Cox thats correct. Whitaker he has to prove that hes innocent of them in order to get the compensation . Cox thats correct. Whitaker im trying to that he might have done. That doesnt seem fair. Cox you want fairness. Whitaker isnt the law supposed to provide fairness . Cox it is supposed to provide justice. Whitaker you dont think he deserves compensation. Cox i think that the law must be followed. Ford what law is this . I never heard of such law where it says its okay to do what they did to me without any type of compensation. Whitaker there was some compensation. Glenn ford was given a 20 gift card the day he left angola prison. Ford gave me a card for 20 and said, wish you luck. Whitaker how long did that last you . Ford one meal. I had some fried chicken, tea, and the french fries came with it. Whitaker after 30 years in prison . Ford right. Whitaker 30 years on death row in. In solitary confinement, and the state of louisiana releases mr. Ford with a 20 gift card. Cox youre trying to portray the state of louisiana as some kind of monster. I got him out of jail as quickly as i could. Thats what the obligation of the state is. Whitaker and thats the end of the states obligation . Cox as far as im concerned. Whitaker what about compassion . Have you no compassion for what mr. Ford has been through . Cox well, you dont know me at all, do you . But you have no problem asking that question. Whitaker no, im. Im asking because im seeking an answer. Cox im not in the compassion business, none of us as prosecutors or defense lawyers are in the compassion business. I. I think the ministry is in were in the legal business. So to suggest that somehow what has happened to glenn ford is abhorrent, yes, its unfair. But its not illegal. And its not even immoral. It just doesnt fit your perception of fairness. Whitaker i would say, in this case, many, many, many people would see this as unfair. Cox i agree. I cant disagree with whitaker for his part, marty stroud says glenn ford deserves every penny owed him. He went to see ford to apologize. How do you apologize to someone for taking 30 years of his life from him . Stroud well, theres no books you can read to do that. I just went in and apologized. Whitaker do you forgive him . Ford no. He didnt only take from me, he took from my whole family. Whitaker it sounds like you forgive him. Ford well, i dont. But im still trying to. Whitaker do you think you deserve his forgiveness . Stroud no. If somebody had done that to me, i dont know if i could forgive them. Whitaker you say you destroyed his life. Sounds like this incident destroyed your life, too. Stroud ive got a hole in me through which the north wind blows. Its. Its a sense of coldness, its a sense of just disgust. Theres just nothing out there that can fill in that hole that says i. Its all right. Well, its not all right. Its not all right. . Keep your eyes on the prize hold on . Hold on. Whitaker three weeks after we met him, glenn ford died, penniless. His final months, he lived off charity. Donations covered the cost of cox there was a tragic outcome. And these tragic outcomes happen all the time in life. Its not like the glenn ford case is the only tragedy youll ever see or ill ever see in our lifetime. The question is, was there anything illegally done, improperly done that led to this. And. And i can comfortably say, based on the review oth whitaker in glenn fords will, he directs that any state money he might receive go to his ten grandchildren so they can have a better chance than he did. And marty stroud . He has asked the Louisiana Bar association to discipline him for his role in the ford case. Stroud it was a train to injustice and i was the engineer. Glenn ford will be a part of me whitaker in april, a Louisiana Appeals Court agreed with a Lower Court Ruling denying compensation to fords estate. As for dale cox, he resigned from the caddo parish District Attorneys office. . . Amazing sleep stays with you all day and all night. Sleep number beds adjust on both sides for your best sleep ever. Dont miss the biggest sale of the year. Right now save 50 on the labor Day Limited Edition bed, plus 36month financing. Hurry, ends monday know better sleep. Stahl the large hadron collider is one of the wonders of the modern world. Its believed to be the largest and most complex machine mankind has ever created. Buried hundreds of feet beneath switzerland and france, the collider smashes subatomic particles together with enormous energy. By studying the collisions, scientists have already made a major discovery, the higgs theyre hoping to learn a lot more because, after two years of repairs and upgrades, the collider is smashing particles at nearly double the power. As we first reported last fall, the things its searching for now sound like theyre straight out of Science Fiction. Security is tight at the large hadron collider. You need an iris scan to get inside. Thank you. You have been identified. Stahl the entire complex is buried deep underground. Greg rakness you can see power, cooling. Stahl and this is the heart of it. Is this where the collision takes place . Rakness the protons come down this pipe, down this orange pipe. Stahl american physicist greg rakness showed us one of the four detectors where subatomic particles called simulate conditions that are believed to have existed when the universe began. Is there a boom . Is there noise . Rakness theres no noise, but theres a flash of light and the particles fly off. And youre taking a look into the. Basically, a microscopic view of the big bang. Stahl this is what the inside of the detector looks like. Its stuffed with magnets, electronics, and sensors. The big bang isnt easy. Before the particles get here, they travel through a long tunnel that rakness took us down into during a maintenance break. For 17 miles . Rakness 17 miles. Stahl in a big loop, a big circle . Rakness in a big loop, thats right. Stahl the loop runs beneath the countryside of switzerland and france, not far from geneva. The tunnel is so vast, workers the particles zip through these pipes, guided by supercooled magnets. When the protons are going through the tunnel, its very cold. How cold does it actually get . Rakness its somewhere on the order of negative450 degrees fahrenheit. Stahl is that colder than outer space . Rakness thats colder than outer space. Stahl oh, it is. Now, i hear that when the collision takes place, that the temperatures spike. They go way high. How high do they go . Rakness they can be up to the order of ten thousand times hotter than the center of the sun. Stahl no rakness yeah. Stahl so it goes from the coldest ever to the hottest ever. Rakness yeah. In snaps fingers stahl like that . Rakness yeah. Stahl the data is analyzed by thousands of computers here and around the world. This is what an image of the collisions looks like, with particles flying off in every direction. Rakness every time theres a small dot here. Stahl yeah . Rakness . Thats two protons colliding. The data from the collisions, scientists were able to find the holy grail of modern physics, a particle known as the higgs boson, or just the higgs. The higgs gives all the other particles mass. Without it, molecules would not exist; trees, rocks, mountains would not exist. We would not exist. Rakness there are collisions 40 million times per second. Stahl oh, my gosh. The higgs may have been found here, in the collider in conceived in scotland by a person almost as hard to find as the particle itself. Peter higgs doesnt have much use for computers, email, or cell phones, and doesnt own a tv. In 1964, he was a junior professor at the university of edinburgh when he came up with his theory. He was 35 at the time, and not taken seriously. Peter higgs not many people they were doing other things, which was why it was left to a few people, a few eccentrics to do it. Stahl did you use any machines or any special equipment . Higgs a pencil and paper. Stahl a pencil and paper . Thats all you used . Higgs well, thats all you need for. For writing equations. Stahl higgs simple and elegant equation gained credence over the years, but there was no machine powerful enough to put it to the test, until the large hadron collider was built by the European Organization for finally, the collider really did prove that you were right, and in 2012, i believe, you were there at cern. Higgs i was there. I was more or less summoned. I was told in a message, tell peter if he doesnt come to cern on july the fourth, he will probably regret it. laughter stahl he went to cern, along with hundreds of other whether the collider had proved higgs theory. Rakness it was like the olympics of particle physics. When they showed the. The money plot. The picture that made it clear that there was a bump which could be the higgs boson, there was a gasp in the audience where everyone went, ah. And its true, because it was absolutely clear that had to be something that we hadnt seen before. I think we have it. laughter do you agree . Stahl in the audience, the onetime eccentric teared up. This guaranteed peter higgs a place in history. applause Fabiola Gianotti it was. It was. Its hard to tell in words. Stahl in january, italian physicist Fabiola Gianotti became cerns first female directorgeneral. She oversees the soupedup 8 billion collider that 10,000 on, as they search for new breakthroughs that could revolutionize society in ways that are hard to imagine. Is it possible that theres and i read this in Science Fiction that theres a whole dimension, a dimension that we dont even know about . Gianotti absolutely. There are theories. Theories in particle physics that predicts the existence of additional dimensions. String theories, for instance, they require seven additional dimensions so, as our hightech instruments like the large hadron collider, just listen to nature and to what nature wants to tell us. Stahl one of their biggest goals is shining a light on dark matter and dark energy, which are among the great remaining mysteries of modern science and reminders of how little we know about the universe. Gianotti when we look at the universe, what we see by eye or the rest, 95 , is dark. Dark meaning, first of all, not visible to our instrument. Second, dark also indicates our ignorance. We dont know whats the composition of this part of the universe. Stahl if we dont know what dark matter is, how do we even know there is such a thing . Gianotti we have some indirect, but very strong Experimental Evidence of it. For instance, when we look at the gravitational movement of galaxies. These movements, theyre observed, cannot be explained with the amount of matter that we see. Stahl so, if theres gravity, there must be mass . Gianotti exactly. And the mass that we see is not able to explain the movement of the galaxies as we observe it. Stahl is dark matter here . Right here, beside. All around us . All this stuff we really cant see . Gianotti yeah. Dark matter is everywhere in for signs of dark matter inside the collider. But theyve also placed detectors deep in mineshafts and in space. A short walk from the collider, Nobel Laureate sam ting and a team of scientists receive data from a 2 billion detector they have placed on the International Space station. Sam ting the detector is seen here. Stahl so we have now a detector thats sitting on our space station to see if you can see dark matter . Is that what youre hoping to do . Ting to see, to detect the trace of dark matter collisions. Stahl astronauts help keep an eye on the experiment. This is real time . Ting real time, real time. . . . Stahl half a century after he first proposed his theory, peter higgs received the 2013 nobel prize in physics, along with belgian physicist francois englert. Possible. applause among them, steve nahn, laura jeanty and steve goldfarb, three american physicists who have been working on the collider for years. Steve goldfarb it mattered, it mattered. Stahl goldfarb told us that he was amazed at how many people went online to watch the meeting at which the discovery was announced. Goldfarb you know, one billion people by the end of that week had seen video from that web cast. Planet was interested enough to watch something which was a very technical seminar. Stahl why do you think its ignited so much Public Interest . Laura jeanty i think, ultimately, what were doing has a lot of philosophical motivations. Were interested in understanding how things work, and i think everybody connects to that idea. And everybody is interested when science pushes the boundary of our understanding. Stahl were now into season collider. What are you going to look for now . Goldfarb we have big questions, really big questions. Stahl for instance, can they find something smaller than the quark, one of the smallest particles discovered thus far . Goldfarb is the quark it . Weve thought many, many times. Stahl you mean, is there something even smaller than a quark . Goldfarb its very fundamental. Stahl at the moment, we think not, but who knows . Goldfarb but we still. We look all the time for that. Jeanty we looked for black holes and we didnt see them. Stahl are you saying there are no black holes . Jeanty so we were looking for micro black holes that wouldve been, for example, evidence that there are extra dimensions, but unfortunately, it doesnt look like we produced that at these energies. Stahl but does that mean there are no extra dimensions or that you just didnt find any . Jeanty we just didnt find them. They still could be here. Stahl if you find a whole different dimension, will it allow us to change time . Jeanty i think this is a difficult question because scientists dont like to say that something is impossible. Its extremely unlikely. Nahn thats right. laughter you know, if you had asked somebody in 1900, do you think we could take a device out of our pocket and push a button or two and talk to your spouse halfway across the world . Stahl its crazy. Nahn they would. They would say the same thing. But we can do it today, right . So whos to say, 100 years from now, what we can or cannot do . Discover the art behind 60 minutes stories, and the man behind the art at 60minutesovertime. Com, sponsored by lyrica. I was energetic. I was active. Then the chronic, widespread pain drained my energy. My doctor said moving more helps ease fibromyalgia pain. He also prescribed lyrica. Fibromyalgia is thought to be the result of overactive nerves. Lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. 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