Of your life. I mean they will kill you. So you are ok with the lifestyle are you living right now . No, im not. No. Wouldnt you rather get help than living on the street . I dont know like where do you live . Like where do you sleep . I am not on the street because of me using drugs that is not why i am on the streets kirk why are you on the street. In my dad is like stopped paying rent and then we didnt have a place. Why do you think he stopped paying rent . What were you doing at that apartment all day long. That is not why he stopped paying rent. Mckenzie kirk did you stop ping rent . I reduced the support i filed for divorce and reduced the support to the amount that the court would award for alimony. She still had enough money. And a place to live. I offered her a place to live she did not like the rules i set down. Kirk what were the rules . No drugs. Those were ridiculous. It was a signed contract. No friends, no friends, me being searched everyday. Why do you think friends were not allowed to come over kirk first of all let me say one thing. Mckenzie you are a heroin addict. He is worried about you. So he wants to search things to save your life. That is why he doesnt want you hanging around certain people because obviously he thought you were doing drugs with those people. Why would we keep you there . We love you. We want to get you out of that. Nothing we are doing is to hurt you. When you say you have to be ready which you were saying before what does that mean . What makes you ready . You have to be ready and willing. You have to make that step yourself. Usually you hit rock bottom. Havent you hit rock bottom. Living on the streets. What can be worsen your life. You were a beautiful young kirk your next step is death and if you hit death you dont have a chance. How are you using heroin everyday . Yes, im not shooting it, never have done that. And i will not ever shoot it. Some people will never do that and i will never shoot up. Do you know you can overdose by smoke to go . I know. People can think that they dont you might not die from an offer dose but you might die from a bad drug dealer with kill you. Im not going to use for the rest of my life. I dont want to. Its not what i will do. When are you going to change . When im ready. Soon, i want to kirk when do you think you will be ready . What has to happen . You just have to i have to find the courage in me to make that step. How can we help you . You cant. You have to wait until im ready to do it. Kirk how will you go about doing it . Have you read up on this . I have been reading on this drug you cannot do it on your own. You know you cannot do it on your own. You know you need medical attention. You have to have you have to make that step to go do that. We need to you make that because we love you and we dont want something bad to happen. But can you not make that decision for me kirk here is something that i want to talk about. And maybe it will help you remind you what life can be like. When you were a cheerleader do you remember your life . I do not ok. I quit cheering because i was going to do a nursing rop that i tried to get into and i didnt get into it. And it wasnt going to work with my schedule. And that is why i quit. Iasnt using drugs or that is no reason kirk its not about cheerleading. I wt to look back to a time before you were doing drugs. Yes, kirk do you remember that . Of course i remember kirk and that is the feeling that you should try and get to now . I know that. Kirk that step should begin right this second can be a time that you say im done. We have three lovely people here that care so much about you. Everyone out here cares. And everybody that is watching tv they have someone in their life that they are trying to instill the courage in to take that step. And you can help with that kirk and it starts when you say its not when im ready but i think i am ready. I am ready kirk you say im ready im done. What do you have to lose . You are living on the streets . Kirk you say im not shooting im snorting but you are putting heroin in your system. People die from snorting heroin. And meth. And now are you smoke. Kirk they die from putting heroin in your system. And where are you getting the money for the drugs . You dont work. My friends they i get it from around. You make deals to support your habit kirk are you stealing . Are you prostituting . What are you doing . Absolutely not. Like i have friends that have a lot of it and they give it to me. Kirk just so you know those are not your friends. I know that [applause] kirk i mean, have you been in dangerous situations . No, not really. No. Youve never been in a dangerous situation . Kirk you probably dont know. You are high. Has she been in dangerous situations . Of course. She got caught with heroin. She got caught they were driving with a couple friends and you know, they got pulled over for a moving violation and she hid it but they had found it. She did not get arrested. But. Im having a flashback right now of when you were a little girl so beautiful so full of life so just an amazing little person. And its just amazing to be sitting here right now looking at you hearing the things that you are saying. And you dont look well. You dont look like yourself. Have you looked in the mirror . Are you happy with the way you look right now . You are like 75 pounds. Like your face is caved in. Kirk do you remember when you wanted that insurgentsing program . Do Nursing Program . You can still do that Nursing Program. All you have to do is just say i got to make a change. I want to hear what she has to say. Ken hold on. Kirk next on the test. Ive been so depressed for so long so angry with people. I use it so i dont have to think about anything kirk and later. Do you want to get clean . Do you want to start your fight today . Does your ex deny he is the father of your baby . Do you want to prove he is the father with dna . If you want to put your ex to the test call. [applause] i want to hear what she has to say. Ken, hold on, come here. Hold on. Kirk mckenzie. Mckenzie. This is all part of it, mckenzie. This is all part of it. Just remembering who you are and who you want to be. I mean this is a crucial time. Just take deep breaths it is ok. They dont realize that the reason im doing that is because what ive been through and my family. Kirk whatever youve been through right now you are just surrounded by love. Ok . Because with you getting that is the start for you to just take that step. We dont want to you hit rock bottom where its death. I know. Im not going to kirk you dont know that. Ive been so depressed for so long and so angry with people. Kirk let me tell you one thing. Part of being able and dealing with that anger is being in touch with your feelings and you cannot find your true feelings if you are on heroin. You dont know who you are. I know. I know. I use it so i dont have to think about those things. And it eases my mind enough not to think about it and that is why i do it. Kirk the truth is i think deep down you might be angry at yourself. No, bad things they have done. Kirk well, what have they done . What have they done that made you so angry that you feel you want to kill yourself . Because that is what heroin is doing . Ive been through a lot and never got help for it. Kirk you are getting help today we are all here today. Everything can start today. And whatever has happened in the past they can talk about it and you can talk about it with them right now. Come back and lets get it out. This is the chance to do it. Lets get it all out today. You will feel better about it. Trust me on that. When you pour this out whatever it is, tell them how you are feeling about some things. Im not going to interrupt this is a safe place. Dont worry about the cameras or anything. Because when you are helping yourself you will help thousands of girls just like you out there. That is why i came on the show. Kirk then lets stay on the show. If you came here. Lets do what you are going to do. You know what im saying . [applause] kirk all right we are going to go to break and when we come back she is going to open up to you guys. We will get truths out and find out if we can stop this path she is on. Because i think she deserves a lot more than where she is headed. That is for sure. We will be right back. [applause] [ ] next on the test. I want to see you smile again. Its really hard for me. Odds are you are going to die. If your familys on medicaid or any of these state programs, we understand good dental care may not always be easy to find. Thats why theres kool smiles. 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There might be another girl involved. [all talking at once] kirk did you stop taking the pill on purpose . That tomorrow on the test. [applause] kirk actress Christy Swanson and her brother rob are here fighting to save the life of robs daughter, mckenzie. You have things that you want to say to them . This is the chance. We can open up here. All right . Here is a chance. Really hard for me. Were all here for you. Do you think you know that you are hurting. Nobody ds drugs because they are not hurting and they feel well. I cant breathe. We want you to get clean. So that we can address all these things. We know everybody has problems. And we can help you fix them but you have to get sober first. I have to heal. I have to. You cannot heal on heroin. Kirk heroin is not going to make you heal. I know that. Once im not feeling these once that is not sad anymore about these things i will not need the drug. Kirk but the drug is what is making you sad. It is a depressant. No, its not i was sad before. Not this sad yes, i was. Yes i was. You answered phone calls and came to family events. Kirk how much sadder does it need to get . You have the most beautiful smile ive ever seen on the face of this earth. I want to see you smile again. I want to see you happy. Kirk what are your dreams . What do you want to be when you grow up . How old are you . 18 i will be 19 next month kirk tell me what do you want to be when you grow up . I wanted to do nursing kirk you want to be a nurse . Yes, kirk it can never happen until you are clean. Never. Anything that all those dreams they are not going to happen when are you on heroin. All right . So anything you want to happen, has to start today with you admitting that you are done. You are just done. And then we find a way to make sure you stay done. And we will get you help kirk do you want to have a family and children . Yes. Kirk ok. It cant ever happen, because odds are you are going to die. You are not healthy right now. They see someone that is barely recognizable. Is this the sister you remember . No. She is always tan and her skin is white. She is just so thin. Kirk you say you are not living on the streets but you are not living in a stable environment. Are you not living with true friends. If you are in a house with people giving you heroin. You would have a job and you would be working to support yourself. You and brandon would probably have an apartment together kirk tell me a little bit about brandon. I think its so rude how you guys blame him. We are not blaming him. For this. I made this choice myself. Like when i was i partied way harder than he did not start doing anything kirk we are not here to blame anyone. We are heretofore give and heal. Kirk it doesnt matter how anything started and christy is right. Its forgiven. Whatever has led you here you are here. You cannot have now without then. And even if then was not pretty and if you were sad and depressed, the key is to find a way for you not to be sad anymore not to be depressed so you can be a nurse and anything you want. You might find you have other interests. Right now you have no intest except drugs. No, i have interests. Kirk mckenzie did not descend into the dark world alone with her every step is her boyfriend brandon. His mom laurie is here and is terrified what will happen to brandon and mckenzie if they do not get help soon. Welcome laurie to the show, please. [applause] [ ] hi. Have a seat. So what do you think of mckenzie . I love her. Kirk she is a sweet young lady. I know. Kirk and she has been with your son for a lot of years, four years . Like fourandahalf. Kirk and are you worried about brand as well . Yes. Yes. I just finished going through this with his twin brother. He is also a heroin addict. Kirk and you have gotten him off . Over eight months. [applause] kirk how bad is brandons addiction . I dont know. I have not seen him. He is away from us. He doesnt want to be around us. He is ashamed. He is embarrassed. And we love him and we want him to get help. But i saw him and he is skinny and you see bones and such a gorgeous guy and he is so skinny. Kirk so you think brandon is on heroin. Absolutely. And if not more. Kirk is he on other drugs as well . No. He has tried meth as well as i have, but we are are not on that we do not do that on a daily basis we dont have a problem with that. We started just a few times. What is making you so skinny . The heroin . The heroin i guess. I dont eat three i cant. Kirk is that the life you want . No, its not ive said that is not the life. Kirk you have to make the decision. A few minutes ago you said i have to be ready inside. I do. Kirk but soon you are not going to have insides. You wont be able to have a baby. Kirk and you just say you know what . Im ready. So you got to decide if you want to live. Because there is a lot of people that want you to live. Including me. Including everyone in here. [applause] [cheering] next well meet brandon. Can he be convinced to get help. Will mckenzie get help if he doesnt . Stay tuned. We will be right back. Next on the test. Will mckenzies boyfriend stand in the way of their recovery. There is a reason she is using. She is not happy with her life and reasons why she turned to drugs. With rich moisturizers. And a revitalizing lather youre not fully clean. Unless youre zestfully clean is your family in crisis . Do you want to confront your family about lies they spread about you . Do you want to expose family secrets . If you want to put your family to the test call. [applause] kirk welcome back. Christy swanson is best known for her role as vampire splayer buffy. Today she is here with her brother rob waging a desperate battle to save her niece mckenzie from a life of defendant constitution and drugs. Mckenzies is not alone on the streets. Her boyfriend is addicted and homeless. Brandon is here. Brandon, come on out. [applause] so youve been hearing everything that is going on up here . Yes. Kirk how do you feel about it . I have there is a reason why we are using why she is using. Things kirk you are using a well . Yes. Kirk there is a reason why we are. Theres things kirk what is your reason . Just because i choose to use. Kirk you choose to use . Yes. But theres things that gone on in her life that has made her depressed and she is not happy with her life and theres reasons why she has turned to drugs. Kirk but that doesnt justify why using why people use heroin. Everyone in here. She is depressed and sad. And i think its so important to get clean so that you can address those issues. We cannot use that as the excuse. You are right. Kirk what do you want to say to your son . You have not seen him in a while . And i miss you. I miss you, too. And brandon im depressed everyday because ive lost both my boys to this drug. One of them is on the road to recovery. And when he went in, do you know what you said to him when he accepted help you said im going to see you on the other side when im sober. Im going to see you on the other side we are going to do this together. I look at austin everyday and i cannot be more proud of him. We want that for you now kirk and you can be proud of yourself. This is a twin, right . They are connected. So much kirk dont you want to be clean . I look at him everyday kirk he comes out on the other side. Your other side might be death that is the other side for a heroin addict. Right. I mean you were this you played every sport. You tried to get him into treatment . He has had every opportunity. Ive been pro cass naturing and i dont know why procrastinating. And i dont know why. You know what makes you procrastinate . Heroin. It is a great side effect. A lot of time tomorrow does not come. You need to take procrastinate out of your vocabulary and add words like i need help. Dont let this drug kirk how are you getting the drugs . From friends. Kirk they show up. The drugs . Youve been arrested . Just recently. Kirk for . Stealing. Kirk so prison is also on your horizon then yes. Kirk and i tell you one thing you would last five minutes in prison. I mean. I hate jail kirk are you a beautiful young man this is the. Im scared for you. Kirk yeah. This is not you. This is not you. You are a natural, talented athlete who was a good student and a Caring Brother and a to your Little Sisters. You have Little Sisters brandon kirk you have to set an example. Do you love mckenzie . Yes. Kirk if you love her then you would get clean and have the strength to help her get clean. The truth is you should just get clean together. [applause] i mean you guys should fight for each other. And get clean. She said she wasnt ready. But i bet she would be ready if you told her. I bet she listens to you and said lets do this she would listen. Is that right mckenzie . A lot of our friends they say they will get clean and what happens is the next day you see them kirk this is not about your friends. I dont want to be i dont want kirk dont be your friends. You dont have to be. I dont want to go get clean and come out kirk you just dont go get clean it starts with you saying i need to get clean and admitting it and it begins. It is a long process. Its not like washing your clothes. It is a fight. And i can tell you are a ghter. What he is saying he is worried as well as i am like he dont want to do that and get out and. And fail. Exactly. Its not ok. Kirk brandon, mckenzie, you cant fail if you dont try. I mean you are already setting up failure. [applause] it is about you being ready to kick ass. You are an athlete. You got to attack this your sobriety the way you used to attack sports. Man you got to be the winner again. Are you so young you could be anything. And i am going to make sure it happens. Next as we said brandon is not the only boy in this family to fall prey to addiction. His brother austin overcame his demons and he is here. We will meet him when we come back. Next on the test. Will this young couple stand up and fight for their lives . Do you want to start your fight and fight for their lives . Do you want to start your fight today . All across america, people are using lysol in hundreds of ways. Whats christines story . I started using lysol disinfectant spray, gosh, as long as i can remember. I use lysol on soft surfaces because you cant put your couch in the washing machine. I think that lysol disinfectant spray compares to other products in that it actually kills the germs. Which helps keep my family healthy. Its tried and true. I mean all you have to do is just spray. It does the job for you. Lysol hundreds of ways to help protect your family. Do you like action . Do you want to witness shocking results . If you are in the la area and want to be in the studio audience for a taping of the test go to thetesttv. Com. [applause] he is getting angry. No. He promised you. [applause] kirk today two families are in a fight to save mckenzie and her boyfriend brandon from addiction and homelessness. Brandon is not the only person in the family to battle substance abuse. His twin brother austin fought and defeated his demons and i here today. How are you . Good, how are you . Kirk good. First of all, congratulations on eight months. [applause] listen eight months is great but you got to for its one day at a time and keep fighting. You have to if anything set an example for your other half. Absolutely. Kirk i mean what do you want to say to brandon . Too much to say. But i was once there. We all were doing it at the same time me you and her and we were all there. I got out through a different side. I just want you guys there, too. Kirk you decided you wanted to live . Yes. Yes. I didnt want to have that hold on me anymore. Kirk and austin, i want to thank you because you tracked them down and got them here today. [applause] he is the on reason why i came here. He is the reason why i came here kirk he is the reason why you came here. But these are also reasons why you came here. He brought me. Kirk im saying now that you are here, listen, i did not know you before today. Nobody did. But now we are all here today. Because of you. Ok . And listen, are you proud of your brother for fighting that fight . Oh, yeah. Kirk do you want to get clean . Do you want to start your fight today . Yes. [applause] [cheering] Kirk Mckenzie do you want to start your fight today . Yes. Kirk are you ready . [cheering] [applause] now, mcken issy, brandon we would love to offer help. In our audience is ken sele who has helped many families who have children addicted to drugs. Welcome ken to the show. [applause] thanks for coming and it is a pleasure to see you. You have been watching this unfold here today. What do you think of these two . Yeah, kirk, you know what she is saying mckenzie hasnt felt enough pain she is not ready yet and i heard wanting help is what every other addict has to feel enough pain and im hoping today is the day that you feel enough pain because you will die from this. And kirk and his team have setup a sober way home in prescott, arizona for 90 days of treatment for the two of you if you want to get help. Each of you you can go. Its not you will be separated. Kirk before you answer this, before you answer that and thank you, ken, i was going to do other tests today we were going to do lie detector tests and maybe do a drug test but i dont need to do that. Because i know you are both on drugs. And i know that that is not the test that needs to be approached today. The test that you guys need to do is get sober test. To clean it up. That is the test and that is the most important test that anyone can face. Because your lives are on the line. All right . Now before you answer that, before you answer, i want to take you outside for a second. Why are you crying, dog . He is feeling something. Brandon what are you feeling . A little fear . Not. More or less. Kirk tears are ok. All right . [applause] all right. Listen. Listen. I want everybody to stand up. And before you give me the answer, i want to take you outside for a second. I want to show you one more thing and then well find out. Ken, austin, you guys come with us. [applause] all right. [ ] next on the test. If you dont stick with this we are going to hire private investigators and turn you in for dealing. Will do whatever it takes to get you better. [applause] kirk we have a few more family members we are rosemary, carmine, tom, aunt carol and lets see other people that love you. Mckenzies grandpa and grandma. Im so proud of you. This took a lot of courage. Thank you for your love. I love you and i care about you. And you can do this. What we are looking at is a minimum of 90 days at a sober way home in prescott, arizona. If you try to leave against medical advice they will have consequences waiting for you on the other side. Ok. Just know that your family is prepared to do whatever it takes. And name the consequences. Well, you will be completely cutoff from your family. No longer that you will not be in your lives anymore. Ok . Cellphones completely gone. That means you will not be able to communicate kirk everyone believes in you guys. Do you want to get clean . I was telling your brother he said what made him want to get clean he broke down a cried the day before and im hoping that is where you are at. Did you leave and get out and you do not stick with this we will hire private investigators and i know the best in the business. And i will get him kirk i will find you and drag you back. Well turn you in for dealing. Well do whatever it takes t get you better. Ok . Kirk they love you so much that they are going to get toug this is tough. Theyve tried to be nice but this is tough. They cannot be nice anymore. You have to fight for your life. Kirk nice didnt work. But you guys have to attack it as well. Here is the test. Are you willing to take this . Are you willing to take this . Yes. Kirk all right, mckenzie are you ready . Yes. Yes. Kirk today is the day for you. It all begins. [applause] i cant wait to see you guys when you are clear and you can see. All right. I want you to look in his eyes he has a twinkle. We have to get that twinkle back. Lets get you in the car and start this up. Im so happy. You will do it. Kirk take care, all right . All right. Ok. Good luck you guys. I have no doubt that you can do this. All right . Well be right back. [applause] the busiest place in your house is the one you want to be the cleanest. But using bleach leaves some stains behind. As this dye reveals. Lysol toilet bowl cleaner does more. It removes the tough stains that bleach doesnt and it also disinfects. Thats healthing. Coming up tomorrow. She is obsessed with her ex. Jimmy accuses her of trying to trap him by getting pregnant on purpose. You stopped taking the pills. But he is planning a new life with someone else. There might be another girl involved. All new test. That is tomorrow. [applause] kirk welcome back to the the test. I just saw a car drive away with mckenzie and brandon. They accepted problem lit hardest test they will have to face, sobriety. But i have no doubt they can do it because they have a lot of love surrounding them. And ken,an you tell the family what to expect . Because there will be tough days ahead. Absolutely. As we talked about, theres going to be days at that time are difficult. And they are going to buck and want to fight but that is the day that you have to hold firm with the consequences that we discussed. Just stay firm. They heard the consequences on their way out. And let them know there is no wiggle room. There is no way out. The on way out is to be in recovery. Kirk i mean listen they will say they are treating them terribly its awful, its hell. Food is horrible. Dirty sheets kirk you have to stay strong. Especially you, grandparents. You Better Believe it. Kirk all right. The whole family agrees to these consequences . We worked hard to get them in there but we did it with love. We are so grateful. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Did you a great job kirk i was happy to be a part of t see you next time. Thank you, have a good night. [applause] [ ] live from new york city, its wendy williams. Blair underwood tells us how he keeps his 1year marriage hot and spicy. Plus the inside scoop on the real housewives of new jersey brawl. And all the latest juicy hot topics. Now heres wendy [ cheering ] yeah, turn it up whoo hi thank you for watching. Im so glad youre here. Thank you studio audience. How you doin. Im doing great. Weve got such a good show planned for you, okay, and then the hot topics. Forget about it. You heard about it. Kris and bruce. Theyre officially separated. Well talk. Miley cyrus has a hot new hookup and we have the proof and it is the dirtiest story ive told so r this season. And then we have the inside scoop on the real housewives of new jersey. Remember the fight we saw last week . It ended in a lautd, so were going to talk about that as well. Lets get started. Its time for hot topics. Thank you. I love that. I love you so much. Lets get started. Theres a lot to share with you. First of all, its official. Bruce and kris have separated after 22 years of marriage. Not oh. Good for bruce. You know what im saying . He finally found his man parts. Oh, please. Eight seasons of that show. She treats him like, well, less than lovely. Heres a quote. We are living separately, and were much happier this way. What an odd thing to say. But we saw this coming. So it wasnt really a big deal. I root for love, and i root for marriage, but when you clearly see, at least through the tv, that this is not working, you know, then theyre saying according to tmz, bruce was the one who wanted to move out. Good for him. Weadreported and you had seen it in other outlets that bruce has been living in malibu. And this all kind of started when kim came home with baby north, and then the house was filled with e cameras and nannies and it was all about the baby ands big as the house is, it just wasnt big enough for bruce. Bruce was being driven insane by all the hubub in the house. Reportedly thats the reason that he moved to this malibu place. And kris was working on her talk show. It was probably nuts in the house. Reportedly the reason theyve announced the separation, i told you. It was bruce who wanted it. Kris reportedly didnt want it because its bad for the kardashian brand. Bruce has finally had enough. My thought about bruce though is, you know, while bruce doesnt have a backbone, im hoping that his sons, brody and the other ones. Im hoping his sons who are also allegedly putting it in this malibu house with us, come on, dad. You missed out on a lot of our childhood. Bruce has a lot of narcissism with him as well. He probably appreciates smelling the roses of life. When he was running and jumping and on the