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A convention clash inevitable . The Republican Party chair and trump rival john kasich are both here. Plus, fed up and feuding. Im also a democrat. Thats kind of important. Secretary clinton owes us an apology. Announcer as Bernie Sanders gains in the polls, the democratic fight for the nomination gets heated. Bernie sanders joins us live. From abc news, its this week. Here now chief anchor, George Stephanopoulos. Was this week the Tipping Point for donald trump . Imagine any other candidate enduring the week he had. Imagine one dealing with it the way he did. It began with a Battery Charge for Campaign Manager Corey Lewandowski after Surveillance Video proved he grabbed reporter Michelle Fields at a trump rally last month. Now, most candidates would discipline the staffer, not trump. He blamed the reporter. She didnt almost fall to the ground. By the way, she was grabbing me. Am i supposed to press charges against her . Then there was trumps trouble with abortion. Do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no, as a principle . The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment. For the woman . Yeah, there has to be some form. After the predictable firestorm being prolife is not only about defending the unborn children, its also about defending the mothers. Donald trump is showing us exactly who he is, and we should believe him. Trump forced to backtrack. The laws are set now on abortion, and thats the way theyre going to remain. Another clarification followed. Only the late night comics seemed to be happy with how it ended up. At this point donald trump has to be prochoice because hes made all of the choices. And on Foreign Policy, trump shattered more than half a century of Security Policy by hinting at how he would use nuclear weapons, and suggesting japan and south korea should consider Building Nuclear you wonder about his hand or his thumb getting any close to the critical button that president s are in charge of. President obama weighed in too. The person who made the statements doesnt know much about Foreign Policy or Nuclear Policy or the Korean Peninsula or the world generally. And with a crucial vote in wisconsin just two days away, trump appears to be taking a hit. Two polls now show a doubledigit lead for ted cruz, but in eau claire last night trump was in top form defiant and optimistic. I think were going to have a very good day on tuesday. Ill be honest. So lets talk about this now with our roundtable, joined by our political analyst matthew dowd. Let me ask the question i posed at the top of the show, was this week the Tipping Point . I think it was the Tipping Point to showing us that donald trump has great capacity to harm himself. I mean, this is a man of great read the electorate, but unbelievable amount of flaws, and normally in the course of these campaigns, people grow, as you know, george. People grow and grow into it and learn to change the behavior and they learn to adapt to whats going on. Donald trump doesnt seem to have a capacity to do that, and this week i think showed that its going to be very difficult for him to win the majority of the delegates before the convention. Before the convention. But one of the things weve seen, hugh hewitt, talk show host here for salem network, excuse me, weve seen him come back before. Make mistakes before, still hold on to his voters. And ivanka will be back and that is always caming but i say, ofs taught three had fewer wrong turns and car crashes than this week had for team trump and it was a very bad week when you roll the car that often and you begin to show this way with that clip reel hes going to lose wisconsin, ted cruz is going to win wisconsin. The question is, by the time he comes here to your hometown and together again. That is the question. Donna brazile, meantime, taking a huge hit, especially with women. Absolutely, george. Look, theres a new poll out, marquette university, 70 of women in wisconsin disapprove of donald trump. But for republican women, 45 . You cannot win without women. Women are the majority of voters, not just a demographic group. If donald trump loses in wisconsin, and there is indications that he might be falling behind, it will fundamentally change the narrative of his race. Meantime, Juan Williams from fox news, we saw something rare from donald trump this morning in an interview with maureen dowd in the new york times. He actually suggested he shouldnt have done something, retweeted out that photo of heidi cruz. If thats part of 9 problem with women. You stop back and look back and romney was minus 11 with women. Trump looks like hes going to triple that. Hes going the whole way here. The problem is not just the twitter feed but the abortion, the idea of punishing women, this crosses political lines and, of course, its totally anathema to the antiabortion punishing women. Were punishing doctors, and we want to save children. So, at this moment, its the Empire Strikes back, george. You have the republican force, establishment forces able to concentrate on wisconsin, theyre far outspending trump in the state. Theyve got the governor in addition to, you know, gosh, you could go on and on, who isnt now saying i am opposed to donald trump on the republican side, plus, the planned parenthood people and some of the democrats, you heard from president obama, Hillary Clinton in your reel. Theyre speaking out against donald trump in a way that they havent spoken before. I think the fascinating thing about this bad week, really bad week for donald trump is his support has not dropped at all. Its not dropped in wisconsin, its right at 32 , 34 , its not dropped, been there since last year and his support nationally has not dropped off in the course of this. I dont think its so much as the antiTrump Movement has done capped himself in an ability to win a general election, its made it very difficult and the ability to expand his support but his supporters are still really strong. He has a concrete floor and maybe a concrete ceiling as well or at least thats the question. Stand by. Were going to come back to you guys in a little bit, but we turn to the candidate who is banking his hopes on a contested convention and i spoke to john kasich from wisconsin saturday afternoon, and we began with the topic donald trump front and center this week, abortion. I hope they do repeal roe v. Wade and then it will be up to the states to decide how they want to proceed. Itll be up to them to figure out what they want to do and thats precisely what we would do. But you said there are legitimate and constitutional restrictions that could be put on abortion. What are they . Well, george, you know, when you say constitutional restrictions or whatever those are your words. The only thing i would tell you is yeah, i dont know when i said it or why i said that in particular, probably out of context but, rape, incest and life of the i hope roe v. Wade will be repealed, and then it will be turned to the states and the states will have to figure out exactly what the restrictions ought to be, period, end of story. So but if you believe that innocent life, how would you enforce a ban on that activity . Well, that will be up to the want to do. And, you know, obviously when we have seen these comments that have come out earlier this week, its the first time ive seen the prolife and the prochoice people come together to say, you know, that well have to basically work this out and trying to punish a woman would not be the appropriate way to behave. And i think its going to take people in a reasonable way working through it. But why isnt it appropriate . If you believe that abortion is the taking of innocent life, why shouldnt a woman who makes the choice to take that life face some kind of punishment or sanction . Because i think its difficult on her to begin with. It. Even if it follows that it is a woman is there making the choice to take a life . Look, ive said what i have to say about the subject, george. You know how i have behaved both as a legislator and as a governor, and i would like to have those exemptions. I would like to leave it to those exceptions and itll be up to the states to decide how they want to handle this. Do you believe doctors who perform abortions should be punished . Were going to leave this up to the states to work this out the way they want to, george. So youre not going to take any position on doctors facing punishment . Right now this let me just put it to you this way im not, today im not. I just told you how i feel about it. So, if youre still governor of ohio, what would you seek to do . Work with the legislature to figure out what would be a good consensus to do. In ohio we have made sure that we have transfer agreements. These are things that weve done and ive been very careful about something that is going to cause a constitutional conflict, which is i think what you were referring to so that the restrictions that weve put in place are going to be fine. And i think weve behaved there and conducted ourselves appropriately. Let me move on to the situation in wisconsin. Youve been facing some ads run by a super pac supporting senator ted cruz. Amazing. Heres what theyre saying. The john kasich playbook. Polling for a last second shot and blocking out the grassroots, but thats classic john kasich. Millionaires working side by side with george soros are bankrolling his super pac while kasich votes against the Second Amendment and expanded obamacare in ohio costing taxpayers billions. What do you make of that . I think its funny. Look, george, you know, you know politics, youve been in it. Youre a very smart strategist. Its what you put up with in a campaign. Fact, the wall street journal in an editorial the other day said it was actually a smear, but, you know, look, ive spoken out, and ive said what i want to say but, frankly, im interested in talking about my record of job growth, of creating security for people in the workplace, Getting Better wages and making sure our kids have a Better Future and a better tomorrow, and thats where im going to live. You know, ive had some pretty strong things to say. A couple days ago in regard to trump and some in regard to cruz but i dont live in that lane. I live in a different place because i have a record of accomplishment. You know, interesting in wisconsin, you know that they did a survey the other day, and 38 of the people in wisconsin have no opinion of me. They still have not heard much about me, which shows that we have so much room to grow, and were concentrated in those well, and we are very excited ive learned not to eat pizza running first or second in virtually all of the were virtually tied with donald trump in pennsylvania. Were starting to get to more home turf for me. You still have won only one state, however, and as you know under the current rules of the Republican National committee your only hope is to get to a contested convention but under the current rules you wouldnt even be eligible because you havent picked up a majority of delegates in eight states. It doesnt appear that youre going to be able to do that, so how do you intend to get that rule changed . Well, first of all, george, i am not going to spend time on process. I have some of the best process people, you know, whether its john weaver or charlie black or stu spencer. But there are no rules governing the next convention. The rules have not been set and well see what a rules committee decides to do, but i expect that were going to be gaining momentum, picking up delegates and heading into the convention, and, george, look, the strongest theres two strong things i have going for me, number one, i beat hillary im the only one that does it on the republican side. And, secondly, when they look at the record, when they look at the record of job growth, the record of international Foreign Policy knowledge and experience, i believe that a convention will look at somebody like me and thats why i think ill be the nominee. We just have to keep going and were going to have an open convention. And, george, youre the guy that gets open conventions, its going to be so much fun. Kids will spend less time focusing on bieber and kardashian and more time focusing on how we elect president s. I thought you liked justin bieber. But you say its going to be fun but we just heard from roger stone, an ally of donald trump who said hell organize what he calls days of rage protests to prevent the convention from stealing the nomination from donald trump. Are you worried about what could be a violent protest or days of great unrest in your home state . Well, george, you know, look, we prepare for all occasions, but let me also tell you, i went directly with governor reagan at the time. And when delegates go to a convention, theyre old hand. Some of them are legislators, some of them have worked in the vineyards helping people to get elected and when they go into the convention, something magical happens to them. They begin to feel the real weight of decisionmaking in regard to who wins in the fall, and, secondly, this one is serious, would could be president because they begin to realize that they are going to be held accountable and they are responsible for making sure we pick somebody who can be commander in chief, leader of the free world and can beat Hillary Clinton in the fall, and im the only one that consistently does it. I think were hearing the pitch youre going to make at the convention if you get there. Governor kasich, thanks for joining us this morning. Im going to get there, george. Well go together and ill be running and youll be reporting. Well be there. And let get more on this now from the chair of the Republican National committee, Reince Priebus. Mr. Priebus, thanks for joining us once again. Thank you. Saying the contested convention would be magical but i wonder what you make of this call from roger stone, an ally of donald trump, putting out a call for days of rage protests in cleveland. Well, you know, theres nothing can get stolen from anyone. We have rules in place that if a candidate gets to 1,237 delegates, those delegates are bound, and they will vote that way on the floor, and if they dont vote that way on the floor, which they will, but if they dont, the secretary will read the vote as if they were bound regardless. So, we will know where everyone stands on delegates on june 8th after the june 7th primaries. There will be no mystery over who has the majority or if someone doesnt, whether its going to be an open convention. If its an open convention, then were going tos going to have been to be clear, open and transparent on what the rules say and how theyre administered. And it will be very clear and cameras at every step of the way, so there will be no mystery. No mystery, but what about the rules . You just heard me talk to john kasich about that rule 40b, that in the last convention required a candidate to have won the majority of delegates in eight states. Will that be the rule for this convention . Well, i mean, look, even if it is the rule, it wouldnt prevent a nomination later on in the process when delegates are unbound, so i mean, the fact is, theres a lot of people interpreting rules that really dont understand the rules. The eightstate rule was put in place after the 2012 romney delegates changed it, so it is true that the 2016 rules committee will review the rules, and they will decide on what the rules are for the 2016 convention. That all being said, you know, major changes to the rules are very are not very common. Both the history of the rulemaking and the fact let me interrupt you right there. Sure. Is it fair to say, though, that after a first ballot, there really are no rules, the delegates at the convention decide whatever they want to decide if youve got a majority in the convention, they can create any rule they want to create and nominate anyone they want to nominate . Generally everyone is bound on the first ballot, and some states theyre bound on a couple of votes, but youre right that on the second or third ballot, more and more delegates are unbound, and they can vote for who they want. Now, you still would have to get a certain amount of states and delegates in place in order to important. You cant just have one person out there nominating a premise is correct, but there are rules in place to prevent, you know, 50 people getting nominated. You have to demonstrate a certain amount of support and a certain amount of states in goes away if a candidate gets 1,237 delegates before cleveland and right now ted cruz and donald trump, they have a possibility of getting to that number and all of this is put to bed. If its not put to bed, george, then well have an open convention and its going to be administered properly and well have a vote and well have a multiballot convention. That pledge you got all the candidates to sign to back whoever got the nomination seems to be falling apart. Donald trump said this week hes not bound by it and told chris still is open to running an independent bid. Bound by the pledge, what are the consequences from the Republican National committee . Well, look, i mean, we expect that when candidates make and values of our party, that you know if they but hes not. I dont listen, i think candidates are also posturing and i think theyre posturing for the possibility of an open convention. I think some candidates think that, you know, theres leverage to be had over making these theres no leverage over us. Were going to administer the convention the same way. And if the candidate can get to a majority on their own, then they are going to be the nominee, but no amount of leverage and statements are going to change it. The second thing, george, is that these these statements of loyalty is in exchange for data and resources from the rnc. This is not like some sort of magical paper that we were running around with. Its the same commitment, george, that candidates made in 2012. Its the same commitment that candidates made in 2016. If you want the resources of the rnc so are those resources coming off of donald trump right now because hes not backing listen, im not making that statement. I had a very good meeting with donald trump, and i had a good conversation yesterday with ted cruz and ill meet with john kasichs people next week. I think some of this is after talking about this subject continually for the last eight months, i would think that people in the news media would understand that its posturing, as well. Its posturing but words have meaning. And he said he is not bound by the pledge anymore. They do. At the same time, you know, you see Donald Trumps week this week, Battery Charge for Corey Lewandowski. That back and forth on abortion. And you add it all up, and it seems to be taking a huge toll with women, 74 unfavorable in our latest poll, and congresswoman Cathy Mcmorris rodgers says its hurting the whole party. Is she right . Well, look, i think tone and tenor matter. Were the party of the open door. We cant grow by subtracting and dividing and telling people to leave the room. I have been saying that for years now. Certainly tone matters, and i do think that what candidates say matter. But, you know, to your Point Loyalty and all of that, look, these folks are running to be the nominee of the Republican Party, and if you if what you say matters but donald trump says hes looking for an independent bid. The delegates and the voters right, and those kinds of comments, i think, have consequences, and so when you make those kinds of comments and you want people to fall in line for you, it makes it more difficult, and so i think that candidates get that, and certainly, you know, if youre running for president of the kiwanis club or the boy scouts and you dont know if you like the kiwanis or the boy scouts, it makes your challenge greater to win those kinds of posts. Its no different for the Republican Party. Reince priebus, thanks for joining us this morning. You bet. Bernie sanders is coming up. Is he about to win again in wisconsin . What will that mean for the big from our powerhouse roundtable and were live from wisconsin next. 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Sykes joins us now along with Craig Gilbert, chief political reporter for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and congress maenman sean duffy from wisconsins 7th Congressional District. Republican congressman sean duffy. You had that remarkable i guess 17 minutes with donald trump earlier this week. He came on your show despite the fact that you and your fellow talk radio hosts up in wisconsin have been quite tough, conservatives on donald trump. Why do you think donald trump has turned out to be such a poor fit for wisconsin according to the polls right now . Well, i think its the culture, and i think its the we actually do, and i was trying to tell him this, we value decency and civility and rationality and reasonableness, none of which is really associated with Donald Trumps campaign. And i think that hes misread the culture. I think hes misread the political landscape. You know, here in wisconsin were actually used to dealing with substantive conservative ideas, were used to listening to people like paul ryan, watching the reforms of somebody like scott walker, so when this political music man comes into wisconsin, hes actually coming into a town where we kind of see through his scam. You see through his scam, and, Craig Gilbert, in some ways, donald trump and ted cruz have actually made this a referendum on the leadership of scott walker and to a lesser extent paul ryan. Yeah, i think this is the home of Reince Priebus, scott walker and paul ryan. I think his attacks on the republican establishment dont resonate as much here with Republican Voters because its kind of a cohesive Republican Party kind of at war with its a conservative republican electorate. You know, an activist i know likened it to trump hitting a cheddar wall in wisconsin when you look at the conservative activists, conservative media, political establishment, governor, all these forces and a republican electorate particularly in southeastern wisconsin where hes deeply unpopular and where republican primaries are decided. I like that, cheddar wall. Youre from northwestern wisconsin and you said earlier this week that you believe there are a lot of quiet Trump Supporters in your district and you have the largest district in the state. Did you see anything this week or do you think they saw anything this week that would shake that support . Yes, i have a third of the state in land mass. I have central and northern and western wisconsin, and though Charlie Sykes and conservative talk radio have a huge influence in southeast wisconsin, they dont have so much of an influence in our district, and so what youre seeing is donald trump get a lot of energy and enthusiasm in our part of the country. In our district yesterday, and it was amazing. You mentioned the polls earlier, george. He had women and young people that were out there enthusiastically supporting him. He was over capacity, thousands of people were out in the cold listening to him give his speech. So, i think there is a very powerful Trump Movement in the center and northern part of the state, but i got to tell you, the ted cruzes of the world have put together a great campaign. Hes knocking doors and making phone calls. But he doesnt have the same kind of enthusiasm because ted cruz was not always everyones first choice. Scott walker was their first choice or somebody else, so ted cruz is the second or third choice of folks who are supporting him here in wisconsin. Charlie sykes, i see you shaking your head there. Yeah, i think theres a little bit of a delusion there because this is very clearly not donald trump territory. In fact, you come into southeastern wisconsin where people have been paying attention, where the voters have been battletested and he is deeply, deeply underwater and hes being hammered among theyre repelled by his treatment of women, by his attitude toward women and i think youll see that played out and also at least in the areas where i am and Craig Gilbert are, the crowds for ted cruz have been very, very enthusiastic, and in part thats a backlash against what ive described as the weapons grade stupid decision by donald trump to attack scott walker in this state. If this is a referendum on scott walker in wisconsin where he has an 80 Approval Rating among republicans, donald trump is going to be annihilated. So, sean duffy, what do you tell your constituents who ask, you hey, what do you think of donald trump . Well, first of all, were in two parts of the state, southeast wisconsin is far different, and i think charlie is right when he talks about southeast wisconsin. But im in the north woods of wisconsin. And, again, a lot of people, they look at donald trump, and hes someone who isnt talking about ideology. Hes talking about america. These are people who feel like theyve been left behind. They want the economy to grow. They want more opportunity. They want america to defend her and who comes out. They want a leader who is going to destroy isis and so so, is donald trump that guy . Donald trump has really spoken to their hearts. Well, i think for were pretty split up here. He speaks to a wide swath of folks who normally dont come out and engage in the political process where ted cruz has that traditional conservative republican element, and its divided, and i think i mean, if i was to hedge this thing on the energy side, i think in my part of the state ted cruz im sorry, donald trump is probably going to win but ted will get a close second but i think ted cruz will win with flying colors down south. Finally, Craig Gilbert, in your latest column you write about picking winners. Every nominee in both parties since 1988. No, i dont. I mean theres a good chance that wisconsins streak of not just of picking eventual nominees and picking frontrunners, theyre in danger Donald Trumps case and on the but its a very good state for Bernie Sanders in two big respects. Its a very white state and its an open primary so independents can vote. Hes got a big base of support around madison and dane county. 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She was describing a kid who now locks the door at night, and what i was saying is, im going to do everything that i can to kind of stop those islamophobic attacks so that kids in this country who happen to be muslim are not afraid. I did not compare trump to hitler but i will do everything i can to stop this type of hatred and hate talk that we are hearing. You have been on a roll so some of the latest polls show you up in wisconsin. Youve won six out of the last seven contests, as well. Hillary clinton was speaking last night in wisconsin, as well, and she pushed the line that youre not a true blue democrat. Lets listen. Im also a democrat and have been a proud democrat all my adult life, and i think thats kind of important if were selecting somebody to be the democratic nominee of the democratic party. Your response . Well, my response is i think the secretary is getting very nervous that poll after poll shows us doing much better against trump than she is. The last cnn poll had us up by 20 points. Here in wisconsin i was 19 points ahead of trump. Also a significant margin better than she is. So, what we are saying is i believe i am the strongest candidate to take on the republicans and the fact that i have been the longest serving the United States makes my candidacy even stronger. You got a lot of independents out there. So i think we can get virtually all of the democratic vote. I think we can get a lot of the independent vote. I think we can get a lot of young peoples vote, working class peoples vote. I think were on the way to a victory if we can win the democratic nomination. Youve also been engaged with the clinton camp in a debate over debates. Secretary clinton said this morning shes confident theres going to be another debate ahead of the new york primary. Are you confident . Yeah, i am. Look, she has proposed three dates. We are proposing four dates. She has a difficult schedule. Ive got a difficult schedule. You know, one of the debates proposed was the night of the ncaa finals, didnt make sense to me, but i think that we will reach an agreement. People of new york deserve to hear us discussing the important issues facing that state and facing the country. I suspect itll work out. One of the debates proposed and one of the debates that secretary clinton accepted was actually on Good Morning America on either the 14th or the 15th, and earlier in the week your campaign signaled that they were going to accept that and then once she accepted it, youre now saying its no longer okay. Why is that . Well, i think what we want is to look at the maximum viewing audience, and any time and any venue that works that has that viewing audience will be good. So were looking at a lot of options right now, but i think at the end of the day, george, we will have a time and a place that will be, i suspect, a very spirited debate about why the middle class continues to decline, why we have so much wealth and income inequality in this country and whether or not we are being as effective as we should be in addressing the crisis of climate change, which we must deal with. So youre not ruling out that debate right now . No, were looking at a number the goal for me and i would hope for the secretary would be that option which gives us the largest viewing audience. You know, secretary clinton also said this morning that she doesnt believe that there are any Constitutional Rights for the unborn. Is that your position, as well . All i know is that i will fight as strong as i can to defend a womans right to choose. I believe that it is an outrage that republicans who tell us how much they hate the government now want to tell every american, every American Woman what she can or cannot do with her body, and i do agree with the secretary. I dont believe theres any constitutional protection for the unborn. So are you for any restrictions on abortion . I think that decision ultimately has got to be made by the woman. I have a 100 prochoice voting record throughout my career. That decision must be made by family and her physician, not by the federal government, not by the state government, and let me tell you something, if elected president , i will not only fight to protect roe versus wade and a womans right to choose, i will take on the scott walkers of the world and the other right wing governors who are trying to restrict and limit that right. You mentioned roe v. Wade. You said that where a potential Supreme Court nominee stands on Citizens United, would be a litmus test for your choice for the Supreme Court. Is roe v. Wade a litmus test, as well . Of course. Its very important to me. I mean, all that i have said is right now we have a corrupt Campaign Finance system as a result of Citizens United where billionaires are now trying to buy elections and democracy is being undermined, and i fear very much about the future of this country if we do not overturn Citizens United and restore one person, one vote democracy in america. Has fought his whole political right life to protect the womans right to choose, that issue is of enormous concern to me, and people can be assured i will not be nominating a justice who will not support that position. Finally, you have been on a roll, as you mentioned, but youre still far behind secretary clinton in both pledge delegates and especially those superdelegates. I know you said you believe that many of those superdelegates will switch. If you continue to win states. Have any of them told you that . Well, what we have begun to see already is when we are winning states by large margins and, as youve indicated, weve won the last six out of seven caucuses and primaries, it is very hard for superdelegates in a state, say, like alaska, i think, where we won 82 of the vote not to go with the will of in addition to that, as i think we demonstrate that we are a strong our campaign is a Stronger Campaign against people like donald trump, the last cnn poll we were 20 points ahead of him. Here in wisconsin the last poll they had out just in this state we were 19 points ahead of trump. I think as many superdelegates look out there, what they are saying, yeah, well, i like hillary, i like bernie but most importantly weve got to beat donald trump and i think they will see that Bernie Sanders is the strongest candidate to do that. Senator sanders, thanks for joining us again this morning. Thank you, george. And were back with more roundtable right after this. Announcer catch this week on facebook and twitter. Here here this weekend yall are going to be electing 28 delegates. It is entirely possible that men and women gathered here will decide this entire primary, will decide this nomination. I am here asking for you to stand with us to elect delegates who are supporting me to stand with us together because if republicans unite, we win. There is ted cruz in north dakota last night trying to get those delegates, the 28 delegates from the state of today. Were back with our roundtable now joined by hugh hewitt from the salem radio networks, abcs donna brazile, democratic strategist, and matthew dowd, independent and Juan Williams from fox news, also the author of a new book we the people. Congratulations on that. Thank you. There we see it right there. Donna, let me begin with you. Youve counted delegates on the democratic side at a lot of different conventions, i see you working that pad right there. Lets talk about the republicans. Youve got this big contest coming up on tuesday in wisconsin. Most people look at wisconsin and think if ted cruz wins big there, the chances of a contested convention go through the roof. Well, i think theres a chance of a contested convention because for donald trump to be able to get into cleveland with 1,237, he has to accumulate 55 of the remaining delegates on the table. About a 848 that is before tuesday. That is correct. 848 delegates Still Available on the republican side. We have more than 2,000 on the democratic side. The republican rules are they actually and i heard the chairman until they actually put that gavel down, some of these rules can be changed, so if donald trump is unable to march into cleveland with the requisite number, youre looking at a contested convention. Well, and its the question i want to bring to matthew dowd. Is it really donald trump, its really first ballot or bust for him, isnt it . I think Donald Trumps highest number will be the first round of voting. That will be his highest number he ever gets at a convention which he knows why he knees to get to 1,237 in the course of this. I think the odds of a contested convention dramatically rise if he loses wisconsin. Its going to be a little bit like robert frost. Well be down a road less traveled when that happens, diverged in wisconsin. The fascinating thing to me, everybody points at history in a contested convention. They say, well, it happened here, it happened eight times. It happened there. This is fundamentally different because we have not had a contested convention when two things mattered. First media. People, everybody has a smartphone, this idea you can make decisions in back rooms is gone. 24hour cable, itll be completely transparent. The second thing we never had before is when we had primaries and caucuses leading into a contested convention. Every other time before 1972 or 1968, it basically was chosen by party leaders, and they would gather together. You now have millions of people who have voted who are going to watch a contested convention decided by delegates, and weve never had that before. And, hugh hewitt, the contest has already begun, were seeing that fight in north dakota right now fighting for each Congressional District in colorado this week and there are fights in the state at tennessee over who will be seeded at the convention. State of louisiana, south carolina, this has already begun. I think in cleveland youll see juans book, we the people, and theyre going to put a poster of we the delegates because thats actually about 2,743 living, breathing human beings. Three strategies, trump says its 1980 and im reagan, ill win the big map and you have cruz saying, no, its 2004 and the narrow map and youve got john kasich saying, no, its 1988 and im going to win the changing things around. They each have a plausible argument but they are running into the reality of these 2,473 and saying in the green room, if track the social media feeds of those 2,473 people, they will have 20 million followers somebody out there trying to make a lot of money right now. Are you pretty sure there will be a contested convention . May of 2014 in the weekly standard. Its happening. Your colleague karl rove, strategist for george w. Bush said in this convention could easily turn to what he called a fresh face. May want to turn to a fresh face, not one of the candidates in there now. And you did see Reince Priebus concede in the interview once you get past that first ballot, all bets are off. Thats true. I mean, in fact, my theory is that theres an invisible name on the ballot in wisconsin thats paul ryan, the speaker of the house, the highest elected republican official in the country, and i think someone my taste. He wont do it by name, he wont go after trump directly but hes doing it and i think youre going to see he was the Vice President ial pick behind mitt romney and he keeps saying its not going to happen. Not going to happen but believe me, once you get to an open convention and the question becomes, well, who is the fresh face that you mentioned, george, who could possibly stand in and i think then you get to a lot of issues, could, for example, scott walker, another wisconsinite is going to be there. Could scott walker who has had success be somewhat of a rebirth for the Republican Party . Paul ryan knows a very fresh face then you go into some of the other governors around the country, are they looking for maybe a woman, more diverse look to the Republican Party which we saw Reince Priebus, another wisconsinite call for in his that gets to your point a lot of voters who already put their, you know, put their hearts on the line. This is the problematic system that the Republican Party is in. Do they go for somebody new and fracture the party . Do they go for the leader, donald trump, and fracture the do they go for ted cruz who has a very difficult time winning in the general election and fracture the party . The fascinating question will be, do the delegates decide differently than the voters which means for the voters electability has not mattered whether you can win a general election has not mattered. The two leading candidates for the republicans right now, donald trump and ted cruz really cant win a general election for all intents and purposes. Will they go for somebody that can actually win a general election and thats actually john kasichs strategy is get to a convention and tell people youre the only one that can beat Hillary Clinton. You know, donald trump has to win new york and win new york big. As you know, there are 12 Congressional Districts in and around new york city. He has to win all of these Congressional Districts, plus try to pick and choose a couple places upstate in order to, i think, go into the convention, maybe 50 delegates short. Theres an important point about new york. If he falls below 50 , hes above 50 in the polls right now. If he gets above 50 , its winner take all and all the delegates. If not, its going to be divided. Its divided and, george, let me tell you something, their rules are so strange on the in georgia, ted cruz is picking and choosing Congressional Districts where he can win some of donald trump delegate slots because, remember, you have slots, not delegates, until you actually go through the process. And thats why i think this week mr. Trump hired paul matafor, somebody who is seasoned at knowing how to deal with a contested convention in order to begin tracking his delegates. But it might be too late in about six or seven states. Meanwhile, hugh hewitt, i talked to Reince Priebus about pledges fell apart this week. You have been saying you would support the nominee even if it is donald trump . Im a republican. Im going to support the nominee. I thought the chairman made a lot of news with you when he talked very candidly about the rules being its not rule 40b which i spent some time talking to rove about and talking to john kasich about this week. There are no rules and the rules will be whatever the rules committee says, 112 people meet the week before. Two from every state, two from every delegation, and there are a lot of people out there waiting to see what does that Rule Committee do. I had dinner this week with matt parlow, who is the dean at the Marquette School of law, hes coming out to be the dean at my school of chapman. He says in wisconsin the surge to ted cruz is so enormous because scott walker is leading it, so if you get to a convention, it could go as one but to walker or to ryan . To either. Theyre both very interesting how could scott walker get picked by the convention after he got knocked out so early . Because rule 26 to 42 are temporary. And rule 12 basically invalidated rule 1 through 11. I read the republican we have to know each others rules. Their rules can create the im talking politics, not rules. I see no way that scott walker i could see a window again, thats going to cause lots of fractures in the parties between the antiestablishment and establishment. The other thing thats important this talk of donald trump and the contested convention. My view is just as significant or more so than what against Hillary Clinton in the course of this campaign and how hes conducted himself and the fractures hes revealed in the course of i want to bring that to donna. Wisconsin, it does look right now you cant know for sure but Bernie Sanders may win. The big state is new york. If he beats Hillary Clinton in her home state it shifts the narrative. Look, can i go home now . Were already looking at a process that will take us until june 14th on the democratic side because the district of columbia will get the last word and given the fact that we have a lot of delegates in the district of columbia, super, as well as regular, Bernie Sanders should do well in wisconsin. Its tailor made for him. Its an open primary. Independents can come and play in the democratic or republican primary, and hes hes also it also has a progressive tradition. Dang county, madison. So, hillary has to keep it competitive in wisconsin. But she got to come to new york and like donald trump she has to win all of these what i call Congressional Districts but she also has to do very well shes got to do well. Look, she was the senator from this state, new york state eight reelected. Remember, and remember she lives here, so this is her adopted home state. Theres no indication given the makeup of the population of democratic voters here that shes going that Bernie Sanders can come in and take the black and hispanic vote away from Hillary Clinton. And i will say this, Hillary Clinton, right now it seems to me not only is she going to do well in new york, Bernie Sanders would have to not only win new york, george, hed have to then go out to california and win california. Hes got a long way to go. And then hed have to get the superdelegates that are thank you for pressing senator sanders on the hitler analogy. He did make a hitler analogy and he walked it back when he talked to you, and thats part donald trump is not hitler. Donald trump is not mussolini like other people hes got a very amateurish sometimes campaign. But he is not that and you pushed him and bernie walked it back today this morning. Very quickly, and that is all we have time for today. Great discussion. Well be right back after this maintenance guy is that a hammock made out of ethernet cables . it guy yup, its our entire network. maintenance guy should you be doing that . it guy nope maintenance guy well, you could play a new york lottery scratchoff game. Thats how i break the routine around here without making our entire network collapse. it guy good point. Can i have one . maintenance guy sure. avo take a break from the expected. Play scratchoff games from the new york lottery. 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