Election a peace agreement Gunny reports from the White House with the Senate in for a rare Saturday session a White House counsel pads simple Loney argued the president did nothing wrong in dealings with Ukraine and Democrats know it they're here to perpetrate the most massive interference in an election in American history civil only had other lawyers repeatedly accused Democrats of holding back effects during their 3 days of opening statements promising senators will now get the truth in longer sessions next week but already leader Chuck Schumer says great let's have more information say the Trump presentation underlie Democrat demands for witnesses and documents we thank the president's counsel for one thing they made our case even stronger Saager Magni at the White House Democratic lawmakers on Capitol Hill reacted Saturday to President Trump's lawyers starting their impeachment offense by insisting they made the case to Cole witnesses and review documents Congressman Adam Schiff the lead House impeachment manager says the criticisms of their case from the president's defense team are revealing when your client is guilty when your client is dead to rights you don't want to talk about your client's guilt you want to tack the prosecution it is a fairly elemental strategy and. And I think that's all you're saying here is that effort to distract the president is accused of abusing his power when he asked Ukraine to investigate political rival Joe Biden and then obstructed Congress who tried to investigate for more in-depth coverage of the impeachment trial you can go to v.o.a. News dot com or use the deal with a mobile app for news on the go from Washington this is v.o.a. News. 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Welcome everyone I'm shyness Dylan and here are the issues we're going to cover impeachment the trial against u.s. President gets underway for only the 3rd time in American history and peace in the Middle East the White House is finally expected to roll out their big peace plan Hi guys nice to see you not all Richard lovely to have you here on a cold wintry day I see we've got to start with impeachment obviously that is the biggest news of the week I will start with you know how it's been a long week it feels like this week has been a month but what stood out to you in these several days of impeachment coverage Well obviously the thing about the milk right I mean the fact that the senators are only allowed 2 things that they can drink beer in these proceedings and that's water and milk I'm slightly kidding know what stood out to me I guess I would say that Adams shifts opening presentation really was scathing and harsh and eloquent to the point where even Lindsey Graham a staunch Republican defender of President trop told him he did a good job and isn't it interesting because Adam Schiff tends to rub Republicans the wrong way but he does praise from that's right I mean even the ones who you already know they're going to vote to not convict President Trump they think that he was pretty good out there and now that being said yeah he apparently recently said that he feels like he's introducing himself to a bunch of senators and one of the most interesting things that somebody said was just in a my. Asked the now independent former Republican who does support impeaching Trump and he said that he feels like this whole week like people like Smith and others who have been laying out the case that he said that he's pretty sure many of his Republican colleagues that it's the 1st time they've actually listened right because here's the basic facts because everybody is watching News from their preferred cable network Richard and by the way to to point about the milk in the water I actually I was in the Senate chamber yesterday watching from the president Larry and there were several senators chewing gum furiously So I think might be a loophole here something I think I'd actually eat sushi if did a really good job I think even Republicans are saying that but there was a misstep in the beginning a misstep with Gerry not lawyer who attacked Republicans senators who were voting with the Democrats on some of the amendments to the ground rules and he said the fact that they're not voting with the Democrats on this they're engaging in a cover up and that seemed to offend even the moderates that the Democrats are trying to reach out to trying to convince So do you think that hurt the Democrats cause Well I think that obviously it shocked even the chief justice John Roberts who's presiding at the session I think in the end I believe it will have this impact of just sort of the firing the Republican position that what is presented is fundamentally biased it's interesting to me that as much as what stood out was how strong Adam Shift initial presentation was I was not surprised but I I'm not sure that this way of hammering every details that we heard last fall during the House hearings will have the impact be or the outcome they expect from the Republican senator So to answer your question I feel that during Adler's comment Harden what was already a not very open receptive audience on the Republican side and add to this even if Adam Schiff said there's a method to our madness when he was gone. Going back to every small details of what we heard last fall I have the impression it's not just going to take the last best of openness or the closer last aspect of openness from the Republicans to any way of considering this impeachment these impeachment arguments yes so it's not as if they were he was speaking to necessarily a very welcoming Republican audience but it did it did annoy at least Lisa Murkowski is one of the moderate Republicans look the senators look pretty bored even the Democrats it's the same point almost being hammered as you said over and over and over again and now the Democrats also know that at the end of this he's going to be acquitted I mean Trump is going to be acquitted barring some bombshell and even if there is a bombshell likely Republicans will stick with the president so why go through all of this this might sound crazy go for it and I'm I'm not saying that this is definitely what they're doing but look maybe they just are thinking about the history books and doing the right thing and getting this on the record you know yeah they're hammering every detail but that goes into the congressional record and when they in the future people are going to look back at this crazy day and age and want to know exactly how it went and so maybe that's that's one thing they're thinking and you know they're also they're also no doubt thinking about their own base and their own political futures and November and so you know I'm sure that there are plenty of people who find this whole thing boring that it doesn't have enough to zags or whatever but there are others who are riveted I was in a cab I'm sorry the other night and I was at the driver was listening to the impeachment proceedings and I was like wow you're really listening to that and he said Well yeah because in my country we don't have this sort of thing and I was like What are you talking about his I mean he was from China and he was just saying he's an asylum seeker here and he was saying that they just don't have the sort of open system they don't have this type of thing where you can find out what these lawmakers are thinking and to him it was just fascinating and so that kind of was a reminder to me that ice. Didn't get so worked up about things like as I think also I believe just the way you are implying a how that in the future maybe even shorter short term it'll be a way to go back to the so-called moderates on the Republican side and say Ok we had a strong case and still you cannot acknowledge anything you voted like a sheep with all the other ones with the line that came from the White House or the Republican leadership I think it's going to be something that will come up could be next election could be in 2 years and a half from now so I think that's one thing however just to to add to the comment of your driver I worry that the mass of Americans there are also trying to reach by again really explaining what they found out of the hearings in the house I think it's just going to be perceived as I've been afraid it's going to be perceived as the Democrats getting into the smallest little thing trying to find something even if they present this as a major threat to the Constitution of the country the security of the country it's going to be I'm afraid when you get so into the details it's going to be seen as they were looking at every possible way to go after this president who in the end was elected which brings us to the Republican defense there are challenging the result of the 2016 action not sure the going to be the famous Obama electorate moving to do trump size you don't think this is going to convince some of the American public that's watching and it is interesting because they have to speak both sides really have to speak but more the Democrats because they are prosecuting they have to speak to so many different audiences like nomination they have to speak to the history books to how this is perceived years from now they also have to speak to moderate Republicans and they have to speak to the American public and of course on Saturday when they wrap up the Republicans get their chance the present legal team gets their chance to defend the president what is their defense going to be not all the. Well I think a lot of it's going to be about process about claiming that this whole situation has been unfair and the Democrats haven't really given a chance for Trump and his supporters to present their case although there's some irony with that and you know that they're going to basically claim that there's a number of things one thing they'll say like even if this happened it's not a big enough deal to remove a president from office especially so close to an election I mean there's a number of differences that they're going to run through but I do think it's really important to remember that you know when you're talking about why are the Democrats getting into the weeds and I think it's partly because one of the Republican defenses is so far when they go out and they talk to reporters they're like we're not hearing anything new there's nothing bad there's nothing there and so the Democrats are trying to say look like here are like 50 things we've laid out how can you say there's nothing there but I do think that there's nothing there is definitely going to be an ongoing defense of the Republicans now what's the irony the irony is that they have voted against or tried to stop the introduction of additional evidence and there's a lot of science that they're not going to stand up for the ability to call witnesses witnesses that President Trump himself has blocked from testifying and so the question then is if you guys want more details why don't you allow these witnesses to come in what are you afraid of right and that is what Chuck Schumer has been saying again and again in front of the cameras Chuck Schumer loves to talk in front of cameras but this is his perfect way to do it he has a good reason to now politicians loves dogs and cats like a sunflower the sun really does glow but what is one of the arguments also that you have been hearing from the legal team and on this matter of witnesses is and really this to this 2nd article of impeachment which is struction of Congress is that there was an obstruction of Congress because the House Democrats didn't exhaust every option they did not go to the courts to subpoena the witnesses these witnesses like John Bolton so why should the Senate. Do you their job for them and I think it's a strong argument if even if we go with the Democrats saying well if we had gone to courts it would have extended the entire process probably over the 2020 presidential election that's probably true but in the end it's easy to make this even simplified argument of saying well the minute of the Senate is to consider what came out of the House impeachment inquiry I do not judge the quality of whatever was done and not done from the house but they can easily limit whatever they say on this point so that's why again I think the obstruction of justice is a Congress yes a structure of Congress is going to be an interesting argument to defend in front of the senators because it's perceived as the weakness of the to Article of it of impeachment I believe that the defense starting on Saturday and the president 20 years are going to say that they're going to try to diminish the value of the entire process and minimize the strength of the whole thing by saying even in the house the didn't go after this we can say that the courts would have extended the end I think but in the end it's easy to understand I think just to go back to what I was trying to except to say about getting to the nitty gritty of the inquiry and the happen in the House is that I do certain moment people want to a summary Ok so what is the main thing that I feel that the way the president's defense is going to come out is to say listen this is a simple as this he's doing his job they're trying to stop him from doing his job that was the president way of behaving as a perch or better is a different type of political leader and I think if not everybody definitely not on the Democratic side but the electorate Republican electorate will exactly understand what I want to hear it's easy so it's much easier for them to have a simple sound bites because they can just say all of this is you know nonsense the president and that's nothing wrong and the Democrats are out to get the president but the Democrats actually. After present all of this evidence which can get repetitive but I want to zoom out for a minute now since you are a foreign affairs correspondent This involves another country 2 countries really Ukraine and Russia how do you think they're perceiving all of that as well I think the Ukrainians are extremely concerned about the long term damage it's going to do to their relationship with the United States they already have been worried I mean their government is pretty young it's trying to root out corruption and it really relies heavily on hundreds of millions of dollars and financial assistance that the u.s. Provides to fight Russia and so they're concerned I think the Russians are probably delighting in the chaos that this is causing this that's always what they delight and it's cast in the United States All right let us go to break when we come back we're going to dig into impeachment and peace plan which is not complicated at all art We'll see you on the other side of the break issues in the news is coming to you from the Voice of America in Washington and if you would like to download the program it's free on i Tunes Just click on the i Tunes tab on our website at v.o.a. News dot com While you're there check out our other programs Press Conference USA and encounter also visit us on Facebook and leave a comment or 2 then like us at current affairs with Carol Castiel Now back to our panel now Paul to see foreign affairs correspondent for Politico Richard lot to address correspondent for t.v. a New Bell Canada and a moderator. Washington correspondent for 24 news. Ok we are back not all Richard No I just stopped you really in the middle of your point on Russia and Ukraine so before we get to the peace plan if you want to continue that thought that was basically I mean just this this idea that you know the Russians are going to delight in the chaos at the same time you know if the Republicans are making the argument that now is not the time to remove a president from office so close to an auction you could argue that on a. Political front that's a good point right I mean if you keep the president in office like the Republicans want that does to some degree add a measure of stability and that could throw other countries like the Russians off their game a tad if he if present Trump sticks around not to mention the present Trump is reelected as many other countries believe he will be you report for Canada Richard how are the Canadians feeling this how is the rest of the world other than Ukraine and Russia viewing this I think they're very much interested in the outcome of this impeachment trial do people in Canada in particular remember perfectly well I mean the older ones a little bit what happened with Clinton 21 years ago and there's a lot of sympathy for Clinton I think they see this the importance of the impeachment process Donald Trump is not popular in Canada and it's perceived as a way to underlined again what the president has done in exaggerating the use of his presidential power so in the end I think it's being followed people are interested in what is happening and mainly they I think the understand that the outcome is already known but if they see this as the constant movement within the u.s. Society to challenge the way the president is managing go down from his managing the presidency and they like it in Canada Thank you Canada has like the most lovely little scandals I was in there's been a lot of donuts recently and I was just you guys are so lucky you know when you know that yeah you know that when you argue about the amount of donuts you bought in the price you pay for them we don't have major problems there is a donut gate Ok so sort of sticking with impeachment but moving to another subject is the president announced that Benjamin Netanyahu Israel's prime minister and Benny Gantz Netanyahu was main political rival that they have been invited to the White House or to Washington to discuss the peace plan although it was a little strange 1st you had pence inviting that you know. He's in Israel and then you had the White House putting out the statement that the 2 men are going to come to the waffle to Washington discussion national security issues and then the president tweeting out and saying any details that have been reported are just speculation and then telling reporters actually we're going to put out the peace plan in the next couple of days now what's your read on that and the way they sort of rolled out look messaging has never been the trumpet ministrations strong suit I mean generally they're just often not able to coordinate very well and the president himself is a key factor in that because of his Twitter prowess that being said you know it does sound like they will reveal the 2nd half of the political half Jared questioners peace plan for the Middle East and from what we're hearing it's very very very pro Israel I mean let's not forget the people who are not invited to the store apparently are not going to show up at least are the Palestinians and so it's very close at the same time you know and it's also sort of a take it or leave it type of thing it's like you know here's the plan it's not about negotiating you take it you leave it Israel's going to control a ton of territory the Palestinians are not going to get a full fledged state so these are the outlines that we're hearing and look you could argue that this is a nonstarter it's dead on arrival a lot of people argue that but at the same time there are some really hard truths that this administration says that it is laying out there about Middle East peace for instance this idea that they're not going to give the right of return to the standards of every Palestinian who has ever displaced the idea that the Palestinians they you know that they're not going to get as much as what they want in Jerusalem and the Jerusalem is Israel's capital there they are making statements that I'm confident a lot of past administrations knew that eventually they would have to make but they weren't willing to do so and they were just saying well the Palestinians and Israelis have to work it out so look you could argue that it's like really stupid for them to do this because this is not going to go anywhere on the other hand they've sort of set a new a new tone and I wouldn't be surprised if down the line you see a future administrations build on that to something. Then for instance my understanding is that Democrats if they win the presidency they're not going to move the u.s. Embassy back to tell of you from Jerusalem so that's something that they've you know the administration has basically kind of carved in stone so right there the thinking from the peace team seems to be other administrations have tried this sort of you know dancing around the issues approach we're not going to do that anymore because it has gotten no one anywhere so here's the reality of the situation Jerusalem is Israel's capital that's where that's our starting point let's move on from that the Palestinians have already come out and said that any details that have been released or reported on they reject all of it and they're issuing a red line to Israel and to the United States don't cross that red line but the president did say that he spoke we've spoken briefly with the Palestinians and Richard any chance the Palestinians come onboard this plan I don't think so or the president claims as you're saying on the plane flying to Florida that you talked or somebody had talked to the Palestinians and any expected them to react negatively but it's a very and I had to quote him a very positive plan for them were all very skeptical about it again I think it's obvious that this administration as they can a strong a hard position against the person leadership and as much as we'd like to find me a solution that would please. The initiation would like or hopefully to find a solution that please both sides they have this decided to just charge toward something different I recognize the Israeli sovereignty on the Golan adopt a favorable position to Israel on the settlements all these and exactly what was said earlier to so the idea that even Benny Gantz he had said he was going to come and now it's not totally sure but they said the leader of the opposition in Israel himself would show up at the White House with been many a minute on Yahoo the prime minister and the 2 of them India and agreeing that this process and. What is being suggested corresponds to what in the end the entire Israeli society agrees with or pretty huge majority of the Israeli society agrees with shows that I feel this is an issue and can easily not give any thought 2nd thought to how the Palestinian will react because they have the Israeli on their side I have the impression that the Arabs in the region are not showing any anger towards this initiative or let's let's touch on that for a 2nd because 2 things and those are good points you bring up the 2 things 1st of all I think the administration says that they tried with the Palestinians in the beginning they met with Abbas and that they felt rebuffed but you know everybody can interpret this the way they want but on the issue of the Arab states it does seem like Arab states especially because Iran has sort of become the central issue of the Middle East that they are moving closer to the president and to Israel so how does that sort of fit into this peace plan Oh I mean it's very much a downer for the Palestinians you know they can always rely on the Arab countries to stand up for them and now not so much when you have Saudi Arabia and the Emirates thinking to themselves you know we're tired of this Palestinian issue we're way war concerned about Iran and dealing with Iran means we need to coordinate with Israel you know it's very much real politic in the long run I think especially after the recent events of this year like a lot number of the Arab countries are thinking look we need to find a way to make peace with Iran and so perhaps down the line the Palestinian issue could become once again a flashpoint for them I don't know anything is possible I will say one other thing the 11 movement it's a small movements but you know it's has some Palestinian adherence is the idea of having a one state solution down the line one state with equal rights and number of Palestinians increasingly have come to believe that the 2 state model just wouldn't have worked and that it should be one state but they should have equal rights not an apartheid state which they say is effectively what they have right now and that is a movement you could see grow now of course that raises questions about whether. Israel can survive as a majority Jewish state but right in the us the question can't be a majority Jewish state and be a democracy correct if things sort of remain in the status quo I want to focus on the timing and the connection to impeachment Richard because this is being rolled out while the president is on trial do you think that's a coincidence or do you think that's intentional I think it's intentional I think again during the last trip the president made to a Florida you underlined the fact that he would love to make this deal this is known as the hardest deal to make and I love making a deal I quote him more toward as we say in French and so 1st I really believe that he wants to show how a dealmaker Supremes the old maker he is and in this case while its presence is being undermined by this impeachment process it would be a way to show to show off to show he is in control add to this invites Prime Minister Netanyahu and the leader of the opposition of the White House on Tuesday Tuesday being the day because if it is a tornado defense team does not use the time they have the president's attorney the president's attorneys during the impeachment trial in the Senate they have 3 days Saturday Monday and Tuesday and they are giving signs that they're not going to use their entire time brings us choose day where the questions the Senate of questions and then what kind of attention are we going to give to whatever happens in the Senate if the president comes up with his plan with the 2 Israeli leaders and the big event at the White House in the Rose Garden or nice Droom it becomes something that will definitely and finally for him suck the attention away from the impeachment process and brings it back to him but it could end up being a debacle if Gaunts doesn't shock salute and Netanyahu comes if the plan is derided including by the international community and then everybody is like Look you're doing this just to boost Netanyahu right before his election it could end up getting a lot and it's a big. Ambil absolutely So clearly both of you very positive you think everything is going to work out we're going to have peace in the Middle East that is all the time we have thanks to you know how to see foreign affairs correspondent for Politico and Richard correspondent for t.v. a Novella Canada this program is produced by the way is Kim Lewis our engineer is just in Thwaites and I am still in thanks for listening. See. See. I'm Eric Felten and this is beyond category we're here at the Bohemian Caverns a store Jazz Club in Washington d.c. They hear a terrific young singer Donnie and his new band let's check it out. Because a. Saw some Donny and task here coming back that tomb well story of a fiction is a song I wrote when I 1st moved to New York and that was kind of it will hurt by how close or thing was to go and it's almost like you. Look across the street into someone's window and kind of see a love scene play out and I don't mean that and I kind of sketchy would. Just mean . That everything was very close together so I started to think about my stuff and end up being the song that you heard which is a song about what a love could be like an imaginary love. Now up until now most of what you've done has been in a more traditional jazz context piano bass drums a lot of standards tell me about the evolution of this new band great question I consider to be the chess tradition my blood it's in my blood I love to sing it I would happily sing it right now but I also feel like he's. These new songs are kind of coursing through that same blood and they want to be free they want to be out. This is the time for me to sing these songs is the time in my life and maybe this is the time in the world for them to hear these. It's just as simple as a singing a lot of standards does it change the way you approach writing an original song a lot of pop music so driven by the hook whereas more traditional jazz writing was and standards were really through melodies that went through the whole tune instead of it all just being in the in the hook well singing a lot of standards you you come to see the good and the bad and singing standard a standard after standard partially showcase your voice you begin to realize that some songs as songs even though you might be able to sing them are better than others and so it was that's fair that I've edited a lot of my songs standards just compositions pop musicians classical composition as I study them all and the idea is that even though Mama music is somewhat different idea editing. If I were to choose an album of standards there would be an editing process I might know $600.00 standards which ones show up on the record and why and it's with that same kind of critical eye that I turn to my own writing to try to make it as potent as possible and it's I mean when you're writing you you write a lot and then you think about cutting it down and finding the best part of it to yeah. I do do do I do allow myself the freedom to just be whatever thoughts whatever words whatever ideas come to mind musical or otherwise let them write out you know and then cross out some of the words or musical ideas that don't fit some of the things that are as potent. I want to play another one of your original tunes for us bring up the banner What are you going to do for us this is a very new one and it's called haystacks and what's the idea behind you as you search in the tragic comedy of love. One of the voices in your head real or imagined Well let's check it out sacrifice and Don. To. To the mother. A lot. Far Oh. See. You. Oh. So awful That's a beautiful tune you know full turn you know that has a real sort of Midwestern flavor to it the notion of haystacks you know sort of out in the countryside you live in New York now but you come from the Midwest and in Chicago how did you get from Chicago to New York City I came with a dollar an injury pretty much I want to move to New York since I was a kid and my mom said despite go to college for so I did in Michigan I loved it so thank you mom. But I've been in New York now some time and it's it's always inspiring for a number of reasons. But some of these songs they do kind of. Take me through the city not necessarily through the city into other places in my brain that might be a product of my upbringing that might be a product of imaginary places fiction. But you know we need to move through this city and take the city with us so how do you like living in New York how is it different from the jazz scene that you grew up listening to going to hear music in Chicago I would imagine you went to the Green Mill to. Hear a lot of the great musicians that play in Chicago definitely I grew up. You know loving loving trips to the jet showcase and particularly remember a particular thing saying Oscar Peterson you know and countless others later it was right brown and Benny Green and. Sometimes I would come back and see people that I've had the fortune sense of getting to know personally or even playing with so places like that are very very crucial to a scene and they're crucial to young people to get that additional exposure that you can't get a lot records. In New York I find it to be a true melting pot and having been there now again for some time it's it's a place where Swing can co-exist with that of a car and music can co-exist with art or dance theatre and I draw inspiration from all that and a good place to be when you're trying to think about mixing genres of music and and see where it goes the place so tell us a little bit about the next 2 new going to play for us sure this next song is another voyage It's called might have tried. Like a lot of my songs another song about love. I was checking out Sato Boston. Sort of awesome Donny in jazz there haven't fan a lot of male singers to hit the scene a fair amount of new female singers but not a lot of male singers so if you find it that was more difficult in the jazz world to sort of get people to take you seriously as as a guy singer you know I think there are experiences that we all go through whatever we play or whatever we do frankly in life or we encounter something maybe a resistance and sometimes you're not even aware of it exists which you're not even aware of it. My thing is to just keep doing what I do believe in the power of songs and hopefully my delivery of to move people and whether it's an audience of 10 or 10000. It's really about music and it kind of doesn't. You know jazz has been so dominated for a long time by instrumentalists and instrumental so important to jazz but I think there's something that that singers can can do in connecting with an audience in a way that's harder when you're sort of behind an instrument and you know how how do you do you look to try to bring the song across to some well you know you're talking to someone who grew up listening to almost exclusively instrumental music well before I ever got bitten by the bug to be a singer so I have the on the deepest respect I again in some of the music is in my blood it'll always be something that I connect with on a very very surreal level even before it connect any theoretical dots or put some lighter note story together that being said I am me I'm not a piano player I'm not a bass player I love those instruments I love the sax I love the trombone but the best thing to do is just be yourself and I would say that anybody playing any instrument and let your voice come through your your voice I'd love to play something with you what can we do what can we do together here's a brand new one and I'd love for you to join us on the it's called No More Tears and what's the story behind that song well it's pretty much all the title I no more tears baby that's that's where I'm at you know all right I'm going to get my horn and join in with such robots and Don. The. Lead. Length let. That was Buster Hemphill on the bass. On the drums near Felder and Camilla Mayes on the guitars and singing at the microphone Mr softshell boss and I like to thank him in caverns here in Washington d.c. For hosting us America Elton and I hope you join us again soon for more good music category.