Okay kate, item number two, general Public Comment. This item is to allow members of the public to address the hits committee on matters that are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the committee, and that do not appear on todays agenda. In addition to general Public Comment, Public Comment will be held during each item on the agenda. Members of the public may address the board once per agenda item for up to two minutes. You will hear a chime indicating you have 30s remaining and a second chime when your two minutes are up. At this time, your microphone will be muted to comply with city rules and maintain hearing decorum. Okay, are there any Public Comments . Seeing none, the next item, please. Item number three evaluation of parks governance alternatives. Good afternoon. Uh, good morning. Uh good morning. Yes morning. Im not. This is, i think maybe the First CommitteeBoard Meeting that ive been to in the morning. First public hearing in the morning. Its very early. Nice to see you all. Friendly faces. Im in rogers, Deputy Director of tida. And today, im here to talk with you about our parks and open space. Uh for sf gov tv. We do have a presenter thats online. If youre out there early this morning, um, this is the outline. And so first were going to get started with a bit of the background on the phenomenal open spaces that are planned. Maybe i should ask our Board Members can you see the presentation on your monitors . Okay. Great uh, and then were going to look at a couple of policies that set the table for our management of these lands. Next, ill get into two areas of perhaps the most interest. The immediate operations of the parks that have opened or will shortly open, and the long terme Operations Plans, uh, and considerations that will be addressing together in the coming year. My overview will then end with next steps in a conversation. So lets get started. Uh, first, an overview of our discussions from last year. And there have been several in january, staff gave an overview of the park types active passive sports, cultural, etc. And then in april, tida discussed the priorities for the year drafting an operations and maintenance manual. And youve seen that draft already and outlining an approach for the near terme and long terme. In may. This body focused on conservancies and identified a preferred approach of public, private, nonprofit partnership. In july, you heard the dog park acceptance and an outline of the near terme and long terms approach. In october, we dove deeper into the Operations Plan for the dog parks. The rocks dog park and today well step back into the larger view of administration of parkland. Um, this board knows well the parks and open space represent a significant addition to San Franciscos park system. Um, this look from the northeast side really gives you a sense of the scale of the planned parks on Treasure Island. There will be approximately 290 acres of open space and parks, including 80 acres on Yerba Buena Island and 210 on Treasure Island in the foreground. Here is the wilds with an urban ag farm and sports field in the distance. Here are the parks that we expect to open by 2025. Were calling this the near terme. We open the rocks last month and the other parks shown in the orange hatch outline are currently under construction. These are the parks that will support Yerba Buena Island and the Central District of Treasure Island. Now lets look at two foundational policies. In november, we provided you with a written report in the entire parks and open space plan as an attachment. For now, however, i wanted to draw your attention to two policies that guide parks administration. First, the San Franciscos general plan. This is the citys long terme plan for the future. The portion on Treasure Island discusses a variety of spaces that should be provided and when addressing management here, it asks that we seek to increase access to the waterfront, natural habitat and. Enhance views. Second, the das parks and open space plan also sets policies on management and ownership. This document calls out three types of potential owners and managers private, public, and a potential conservancy. Its worth noting that there will be parcels transferred into private ownership. These include parks and plazas that generally serve the most adjacent residents. These spaces, such as neighborhood parks, will be open. Im sorry will be owned or managed by a Treasure IslandHomeowners Association on or adjacent commercial development tied to will be responsible for the operations and management of all the major public open spaces and recreation facilities. This plan also establishes that teda could form a Parks Conservancy to manage and operate all or some of the open space. A conservancy would be a private 500 and 1c3 nonprofit that raises funding independent of ida in a manner that is mutually agreed upon. The conservancy would not own any park land. That land would continue to remain in the ownership of tida. These are the most pertinent policies for todays discussion. So with that background, lets review the near tum approach. This is a slide from our july presentation in the near terme. Now through 2025. The title board is governing the parks. Financing is coming from our existing budget. Both the cdd subsidy and the Community Facilities district and maintenance will be contract paid over the long terme. Weve listed all of the options for public, private, nonprofit, partnership. We know that the developer subsidy will end and that financing will come from the Community Facilities district, hoa fees and hopefully a yet to be formed conservancy. Uh, heres the plan for the rocks, which is that existing funding and contracting for operations and maintenance as well as administration by us. Um, similarly as we advance to the next phase of park openings, the near firm plan will be in place. It will expand slightly with additional contract support. You will consider next week at the full board in for staff capacity. Uh, our own operations, our supplemented with city staff from public works, rec and park San Francisco environment, including both biodiversity and integrated Pest Management support. Tida has real estate staff who are experienced at large scale programing of spaces. So as we move into the long range planning, the basic options have been the same since at least 2009. A couple of more recent reports are worth mentioning include the 2020 cmg and the 2022 city fellows. Studies both of which offered specific staffing ideas for more than 15 years. Various titus staff and boards have paid consultants hosted charrettes and produced reports. And while its good to know all of the options, there are some limitations that we must work with in one of these is Civil Service. Uh, make no mistake, Civil Service has its benefits for the workers within the system. And for society at large, with a high level of accountability, stability in expertise, and professional continuity. Um, for our parklands, Civil ServiceCommission Approval is required. While tida has been able to get short terme contracts approved, management of the parks does not fall under any of the permitted exceptions that would enable tida to do contracts outside of Civil Service for parks work, there are existing classifications for all the needed tasks. There is no requirement that would preclude the creation of new classified options. Should we find unique work and the work is not short turn and unanticipated or transactional, these limits apply to hiring for parks in the long terme, whether its done by tida or a conservancy thats associated with tida. In light of this, tida has had preliminary conversation with the rec and Parks Department with the general fund challenges that are ahead, there will be close eyes watching contracts that move work outside of the Civil Service system. Rec and park has institutional resources that can benefit titus parks with a whole departments worth of expertise across all levels of parks needs workers from rec and park have a deep bench to consult. They have access to the whole of the citys equipment, stock and support of administrative functions, their park system and care is highly rated. Both by the San FranciscoComptrollers Office as well as nationally by the trust for public lands. Lastly consistency would flow naturally with city policy on issues from human and dog behavior to the latest Standard Operating Procedures and monitoring. That said, we are very hopeful that a constituency we will be. Im sorry that a conservancy will be in the future. A conservancy we can offer much as this board heard in the spring, a conservancy needs a consistent agency and it needs parks, both of which are coming as resident s and parks are added. The private sector momentum thats needed will likely build. Looking back at past consultant work, the first steps to building a conservancy involve cultivating private sector leadership, a good vehicle can be a friends of group to organize the community. As this group grows, tidak can assist them in developing a Mission Statement and developing the framework for a relationship with the city. Um, the Business Plan for conserving, however, should be developed by the private partners with input and review by tida. In five years or so, there will be approximately 7 to 8000 People Living on the islands. As residents who have a vested interest in the success of the parks and are likely to be candidates for leaders in fundraisers as the island grows. Um, more people may mean added wherewithal to do the work and real dollars to improve our financing projections that brings us to next steps. Next week, youll hear a proposal for a short terme increase to our contracting authority. In february, well bring you an ordinance to establish a parks code, and in march, well return with a strategy for long terme operations and maintenance. That concludes the staff presentation. And were available for questions. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Annemarie um, for that. Um excellent presentation. And as you mentioned, from the history, uh, we started the discussion a long time ago. And in fact, um, since 2009, which went to actually set up, puge lot of this forward looking scenarios that you are talking about. And we are from previous discussion of course, weve gone all over the country, all over the world, as a matter of fact, and gone into new york and looking at models. And i know from my own personal standpoint that im looking forward to the conservancy is basically where we are. And im glad you mentioned, you know, rec and park, but even when you look at the rec and Park Strategies and partners, they have parks alliance. They are a lot of the stuff that are going on in San Francisco. So okay, improvement, maintenance and are there for that model. But thats not the you know, that thats a model that works. Again, im just highlighting that to show that even with the city rec and park, they are looking outside, you know, nonprofit for partnership. So we need to kind of underscore that. And so 2024 is going to be a decisive year because since 2009. And thats what i know that weve done the Due Diligence in getting all this information and we are going to move, um, expeditiously to make sure that at least we can put that framework that you alluded to in place, and we can do that. We have the staff, we have the knowledge, and we also have successful model. Were not going to do this all by ourselves. But again, where are people that we have spoken to . Uh, especially cities that have done this successfully in new york, we actually went to new york, a delegation a few years ago, and we saw how, uh, successful models could be. So having said that, im going to open now to commissioners to, um , yeah, yeah. Yes. So, commissioner, um, howard, go ahead please. Yeah. Thank you, thank you. Emery. Um, i have a couple of questions, and i must admit, im a tiny bit, um, confused. So, um, you mentioned a number of past reports, and we still havent. I havent seen those. So there was a report that was done. I dont know what year it was. Um, that, um, the preference was a conservancy, and we still havent seen that. I dont know if it was included. We asked that it be included in the, the materials, and im not sure if it. Oh, okay. Im sorry i didnt get that. Uh, request. The materials are pretty sparse. Theyre notes from conversations, meeting notes, and a summary of what happened. Id be happy to email those out to you. Or, uh, you know, im not sure if theyre on the network, but later today or early next week. Okay. Yeah, yeah, there was a i cant remember the year it was early on, but there was a report that was done that actually recommended a conservancy. And then that last months report that we got it didnt necessarily state a conservancy. It said there were all kinds of options. So yeah, im just it seems like from your, um, presentation that that a decision has been made that we would be doing a conservancy and thats Public Private partnership. Im just. Yeah. So it felt like there was something that got skipped in between. I just want to make sure that were all on the same page. I dont know if were all on the same page. A decision has not been made, and im sorry if my presentation, um, created any confusion. Uh, there have been those two reports which were in your november packet. Um from and those were the ones that i mentioned on the screen, the 2020, the students paper, the student paper, and a bunch of documents that were pulled together. But it did refer to that earlier in the cmg report. And then so the other materials that i have are from before, uh, tida was in the agreement with the developer in 2011. So before all the planning documents were adopted. But it was similar conversations about the potential options. So those have been on the table for a while. Um, a decision has not been made. Okay. Yeah. I guess maybe, um, maybe thats something. Weve been talking about this for a while as, um, director richardson said, and as we all know and just, um, i guess when do we get to a decision . And then how do we begin to move forward . And thats where i really i yeah, i mean, the list of the times that weve had these discussions, i mean, they were very, very sparse. So there wasnt a lot of in depth. And then this last meeting where we actually discussed these various options and that it appeared like we have made a decision and just wanted to be clear that, yeah, were still in a yeah, we still need to dig in a little bit anyway. We need to. Annemarie, could you come up . Um, just so that we can. Commissioner shen, thank you. Um thank you. You know, for that summary, um, and it seems like, um. What was being, uh. What your summary was about was that that there has been some talk of a conservancy that that it may be, in fact, um, something we do. That decision hasnt been made, but its not something that is being contemplated at this time. Um, is that right . Im sorry. Im having a hard time hearing you. Can you say that again . Hello . Um it seemed like, um, in the summary that you just presented, uh, you talked about the possibility of a conservancy, a nonprofit conservancy. And id like to point out that it is telling that that prior to 2011, and i think most of the work on the parks and open space plan was done prior to 2011 when, when all of it was adopted at that point in time. Since then, i dont believe that weve had a comprehensive study about the alternate lives that are before us and this is what were trying to do at this point in time. Am i correct that there hasnt been, uh, an analysis of how how the long terme plan thing, um, and the organizational structure should be weve been wanting to discuss it. We need a roadmap to discuss it, but they havent been any study of on that, on those alternatives that i know of. And board president s and you may very well be correct that theres not been a study that is satisfied to this board. There have been the two studies that were mentioned, the cmg study about staffing and the city fellows study in 2022 that were in your packets. But, um, those are the same options as and have not really advanced the conversation to decision making. I think those are the primary studies that have been done in post 2009. So the cmg study 2020, um, uh, certainly these two studies, uh, we would like to have those. You do have those in your packet from november. We can recirculate those. Um, and the cmg study, if i remember correct me. Um did was more about the maintenance. They had a plan for, for some of the procedures for operating the parks. I dont recall that they delved deeply into what the organizational structure would be, but let me look at it again. Um the other study was a report. It was a paper to which a graduate student at the Goldman Center did. It was simply a paper. He did not necessarily have the background in horticulture or garden management or parks. Um, it was a Public Policy paper that he did. Um, and so he, he also came up with some ideas, um, which some of them were good. Some of them need to be discussed. Um, i think that, um, its important to note that in when they did the cmg, im sorry, when they did the open space, um, parks and open space. Um plan, which is part of the dda. Um, its really telling that they looked at three different types of ways in which we can organize and manage and steward our parks. One was privately owned, which they will be the Homeowners Association related to the particular buildings that are being built, residential buildings that have been built thats appropriate. There would be Public Ownership and there would be a conservancy. Even then. Um, they looked at the possible city of a conservancy and the reason why, um, there was that possibility of that conservancy of trust is because almost every major park in this country that is owned municipally also has a conservancy or trust. Um, and in our own city, theres various, um, conservancies and trusts, particularly, i would say the largest being the Golden Gate NationalRecreation Area has its own trust, which works together with the National Park service, works together, um, to be able to manage. And the reason why that vehicle is especially, um, um, important point is because it has the ability to raise private funds to which cannot be done through public agencies, that theres the ability to raise private donations to support the activities. And what i fear is that over time, um, um, the maintenance is going to become more costly and these parks are not going to be maintained in the proper way. Um, weve seen that over and over again. And right now i think weve got an incredible, um, rec and park director. That organization, rec and park, has had a lot of bond issues and support and even private fundraising that makes, um, those parts far better than it was a few decades. Three decades ago, four decades ago, when i came to this city, those parks were not in the same condition. And recently they have been upgraded. And the concern is that, you know, these parks that were building on Treasure Island and the capital costs are there to build those in really a world class standard. Um, but but we dont have a continuing flow of funds to be able to maintain them properly over the long terme. Um, there is some funding which comes from subsidies. Um, and there is from hoa fees, you know, from the residents. Um, but should that if you know, there isnt enough of a income from that. Um, im fearful that these parks are not going to be managed in a proper way. And so we need to look at that budgeting carefully. Um, there has been some budgeting, but that needs to be updated. I dont think theres been an updated budget yet. Um, and as we take on the responsible ality of these parks, this, um, the hilltop park, the dog park, and then the city park when its managed, im concerned that we dont have an organizational structure. Um, that is clear to at least clear to us and clear to the staff as well. Um, so several things. Um, one, i think that that nobodys saying that the parks and rec should not have a say. They are cities, um, Parks Department, and they have good staff. Its part of the Civil Service. We understand that, um, but i think that its important to look at whether its possible to create a non profit conservancy and trust, um, and how to do it because it takes many years to set up an organization and to grow an organization like that. So to set aside saying, oh, well, thats coming in the future, five years from now, ten years from now, um, i think, um, im concerned that its not soon enough. Um, and i think that we would like and we will have several conversations about this in this year. But give us the assurance that the maintenance for these parks that were accepting is going to be done properly. Um, horticulturally. Im not im not concerned about the janet yellen services and sort of the general maintenance, but there really has to be an oversight that horticulturally with whats going to happen. And also to the artwork weve just installed the first public art piece on Yerba Buena Island, akimoto sculpture, how is that going to be maintained . Well when theres graffiti, for instance, hopefully that will never happen. Um, who who takes care of that . Um, when, um, the trees that are around it, which will grow very quickly without any trimming and obscure that sculpture, whos going to take care of that . There is, um, basic cli um, uh, they, there may be, you know, um, species that whenever you do a native habitat, theres going to be certain things that grow better than others, and maybe that needs to be curated to the. And so theres, theres oversight that needs to be done. And we need to know whos going to be responsible for that. Art. Um, so i think what we would like is a roadmap on how we make this decision about whether we do a conservancy. How do we do it . Um uh, is it going to be grown over this next few years, or is it something really thats going to be set aside, you know, for another five years and from your report, it seemed to me that what was being suggested and, um, and maybe its for further discussion, what is being suggested is that we just manage it ourselves with parks and rec. Yeah, maybe that conservancy, you know, something that wont happen until theres more residents on the island. I if, uh, if its okay with the chair, id like to follow up a little bit on that conversation. And if sf gov tv could show the slide on the conservancy. Uh, i want to reassure this committee that tie to staff deeply shares your concern about the capacity to take adequate care of the spaces. And we also feel the, um, you know, the, the length of time that has happened between when these ideas have been talked about and how much action has happened in the interim time. Its now 15 years later for an and a conservancy isnt here. Uh, as weve been looking at the old work, this was the consultant who was kind of an expertise on Public Private partners. Shes from florida. The notes from that meeting listed out these steps to try to, uh, help in the creation of a conservancy, a conservancy, um , doesnt come from government, but from, like, thin air government saying. And now theres a conservancy is something that we need to build and cultivate it within the community. And so these are some steps that staff would like your feedback on about whether these help to advance us towards getting a conservancy. Um we wholeheartedly agree that a conservancy can offer a lot, and we would really appreciate the especially the fiscal support that you mentioned. And so i if you like these steps, if you have other steps in mind, um, really would be interested in, uh, your reaction. Thank you. Commissioner howard. Um, yeah. I mean, i think that, um, yeah, i, uh, i just think weve been missing something, like, ive been on this, um, board now for a year, and i think weve been asking for this kind of governance, and we have these references back to 22,009 around this conservancy. So those three bullet points, while. Yeah, thats fine. There are lots of examples about developing conservancies in this city. And you know, around the state, etc. So we could look at those, um, Lessons Learned around how to do that. I think the first thing for me is it seems like there might be a disconnect of what weve been asking for and what staff is able to provide, or maybe what staff, um, thinks the right answer is. And so thats where i, im just think that im missing something here that we arent, you know, we ask for these things and we get back certain things and, and, um, and were still at this decision phase where, oh, parks and rec is going to be involved and theres going to be a tie to staff member. And then theres this possibility of a conservancy with some bullet points of the important factors that that that could create a conservancy. So i just i, i dont know, i just feel like we need to, to get somewhere and get beyond this. So we can all get together and, and figure it out what it is that how were missing each other in terms of this is, um, really important issue. I mean, parks are coming online like you said, we need to we really do need to figure out a governance structure, um, moving forward for the future of the, um, the sustainability of these parks and the effectiveness of these parks. Great observation. Uh, commissioner. Uh howard and my understanding actually, um, and mary, you were talking to everybody. I mean, its rec and park is not involved. They talk to, um, rec and park, and we also gone. Again, we need to reiterate here Lessons Learned as commissioner. Uh, howard, just mentioned, you know, San Francisco. So the former Redevelopment Agency throughout San Francisco. So there are iconic parks that were created when the San Francisco development agency, after its dissolution. And what youre having right now within the next 10 to 20 years, the city is going to be disappointed. Youve created all these parks all over the place, and they are no adequate measures to really, um, maintain them. Maintenance is the key that is out here. And thats why the governance structure and the roles and responsible cities are going to be key. And we have to build that from the onset, from the infrastructure. Yes weve been asking for all this information. But again, 2009, this. Is 2024. And so were going to have to have the staff to come up with ways that for us to segue into that governance structure, they are models, as you mentioned, commissioner, all over the city state, all over the country. In fact, commissioner chen a couple of years ago, and i keep reiterating that, uh, took a delegation us into new york and believe me, they were phenomenon. Uh professors and Landscape Architects. The iconic , the running the best parks we have privilege to them. So were going to look at those successful models and then come up with what we are trying to do here. Um a few minutes ago, commissioner chen mentioned about rec and park. Let me their reads are Waterfront Park that is emerging in the india basin in San Francisco, in the bayview. The rec and park is going out has raised 100. You know, millions from the private entities. Okay i want everybody to underscore that. And so the model we are going out here does require at some point, having someone thats capable to help us to raise those funds. The city is already doing that. And so having the conservancy again gives us the leverage to have the structure in place where we can adequately seek, uh, the, you know, private funding. Its going to we can not do away with private funding. So that is a given. Where do we go from here from the next steps . Again, we have to be decisive. Lets pull out all that information about how help us and marie. Okay. And were going to help you as well identify the 304 iconic conservancy in the country. Okay we are also writing notes. Lets look at their model. Let us study that and extrapolate from that information to come up with , uh, that structure that we are going to be having here. I think thats the next steps. And i think we are ready for that, because you know, weve talked about this for a long time. So commissioners, uh, i beg, uh, yeah, thank you. Uh, chair. Uh, richardson. Um, i just wanted to provide comment on on a few points. Uh, uh, certainly staff, um, is supportive of getting to, uh, a clear set of decisions with the board, uh, so that we have a roadmap Going Forward on what what, uh, uh, the governance, uh, of the parks in the near terms and in the long terme will be, um, so that we dont continue to, to revisit, uh, this, this conversation. Um, and well be working to, uh, uh, on a roadmap to, to get to clarity on those issues. Uh, over the, you know, the first half of this this year, um, the, um, um, a couple other things i wanted to address, um, in terms of, of, uh, you know, long terme funding for the operation and maintenance of the parks, uh, the cfd, uh, is intended to be the source of funding for the parks, and the cfd has been created, uh, initially as a capital cfd. Um, and so it has a very large capacity to help reimburse us, uh, for a lot of the initial improvements that are being made on the island. Uh at at the, at it it is also intended to fund our maintenance Going Forward as, as those reimbursement obligations are retired. The uh, the capacity of the cfd will be far in excess of what will be required for the maintenance of the parks. Uh, the cfd is created as a capital cfd and is includes mechanisms to convert to a maintenance cfd. Um, at a point in time when, uh, the value of the cfd is, is, was, i believe, projected to be. 13 million in 2,016. So that is kind of the future baseline line of revenue that is intended to come through the cfd. The that threshold is met in year somewhere between year 90 and 100. So before that, uh, the cfd is generates revenues. Well in excess of that. Um, so and that is also as i think as everyone is aware, uh, for the public, uh, intended to, to establish our reserve for, for um, sea level rise, adaptation as well, that, that, that excess revenue. So in the near terme the next 75 years, uh, there shouldnt be, uh, you know, the question of whether or not were generating enough revenues. Uh to, to maintain the parks. I think that that is a question. We can go we can present on that in more detail. Uh, if Board Members would would like. But i think revenues is not shouldnt be operating revenues shouldnt be an immediate concern. Um the, um , i think one of the things that was reflected in annemaries presentation, um, and, and i just wanted to state it explicitly, um, as we continue to explore, uh, things, um, based on some of the conversations weve had within the city government, family and, and, um. We we it is our impression, uh, that that, uh, establishing the conservancy, um, we will require, you know, that at our opportunity to establish a conservancy fee attract, uh, members to a governing board and, and, um, um , and attract revenue, uh, potential donations to the parks, um, thats going to be best served by, uh, having a Critical Mass of parks completed. Um, that the plan and the vision alone for the parks wont generate the same amount of enthusiasm and excitement and support as the actual spaces that were creating and again, were looking at a full build out that goes beyond 2040. So um, you know, with we certainly will be able to establish, if we do conclude that we want to establish a conservancy, we certainly will be able to do that well before 2040. Um, but just to again, highlight that, um, uh, you know, it it we dont necessarily need it in order to open hilltop park. Um, and so that, that has been, uh, kind of, you know, factored into some of our thinking about the schedule for, for moving some of this forward. I just wanted to clarify, um, and then a couple of other things from from annemaries. Um, uh, um, presentation that i wanted to kind of call out, perhaps a little more explicitly, um, were were the, the discussion about Civil Service that one of the things, um, uh, that weve been learning in conversations with the city attorneys office, with the Civil Service commission, um, is that, uh, in terms of, uh, contracting out, uh, many of the, the basically the same constraints, uh, that are on tida as a city agency would in terms of, uh, needing to go to Civil Service commission for approval, uh, needing to demonstrate that that that, um, uh, work couldnt, could not be performed by Civil Service classifications, etc. Uh, many of those same constraints would exist on a conservancy as well as on tida. Um, because, because, uh, the funds would be flowing from city sources to the conservancy for, for these purposes. Um, and then the other , uh, uh, aspect that that was maybe not entirely explicit, um, is that, you know, in the current, um, uh. Um current environment where the city is projecting significant General Fund Budget deficit hits in the years ahead. Um, theres going to be additional, uh, scrutiny on, uh, contracting out and, um, uh, with other agencies needing to make budget cuts, there are also potential opportunities or win win conversations to be had between, um, uh, tida and rec and park on on providing some operating support to the program. So those were sorry just a few things that that i thought i should address or highlight. Um, but happy to take further comment. Yes. Thank you. Thank you bob. And um, its also great and timely to inform the public. Does tida does not depend on general fund. Do we . We do not write. Yeah. Okay. So the structure and again all these um i used to have the privilege actually former president of Civil Service. So i know a lot about Civil Service and even right now whatever contracting we abide by city policies. But when we look at conservancy, when we look at the city of new york and all these models that we have, they are they are assisting government. Okay. If you look at the models in new york, okay, new york city, they have more parks than, uh, San Francisco are bigger. They were able to put together what we are talking about here. And thats why we consulted with them. Actually went and talked to them to how did they put all these things together. So if the city of new york and again, if you look at, uh, in the bay area, there are very successful models that are operating into that. So we didnt go into this blindly and we started this in 2009, and im sure this 2024, we can put together a framework. So the good thing about putting a framework is that if later on in 2040, you are going to need 20 members on the governing body in 2024 or 2025, you could start out with two or 2 or 3, especially when the director just mentioned that theres no problem with the operational funds. We have that and so this is great. And we have already created the cfd. Where its missing is putting together a governance structure that will be able, again, that cfd that we have put together with someone that will be on the governance. And so we have done out there and were going to have the staff. Were not leaving you alone to kind of help you guide this thing, because weve had decades of, um, discussion on all of this. Uh, commissioner howard, um, yeah, i think im not going to be very, um, i might be a little circular and round here. Not very linear, but i have a number of things i want to just to reflect on. Um first, the agenda item, um, mentioned, this is an evaluation of parks governance alternatives. And just to say that i dont think that that, um, i dont feel like i had an evaluation. I have an evaluation of parks governance alternatives from the presentation just to, to state that so that we dont we later when we look back on this meeting and we say, oh, look it we did an evaluation of parks governance alternatives. I dont i dont think we have here. So just want to make that note. And if we could maybe change the agenda item number. Sure. Right. Um another thing is i just i really think we need to get to a decision about this long terme governance. So if the decision is that we are going to establish a conservancy, i dont think we can wait until five years that we have 5 to 8000 people that might be interested in the parks. Thats not how we wouldnt want to go backwards. We wouldnt. You know, what we build is a foundation now to establish the governance of these parks and excitement and, you know, all of that. So just to say, its never too soon. We dont need to wait. What i think is this disconnect is there is a disconnect on that. We havent made a decision. I mean, on this agenda item, it says were evaluate doing governance alternatives. We didnt evaluate governance alternatives. And yet were still in the same position. So i just i do feel like theres a disconnect and im not quite sure how we fix it, but i think we can. Its 2024. I do want to wanted to ask also about the capital funds. If those funds could be available for establish an endowment for a conservancies for example that would then um yeah it would become an endowment that would then be paying, um, a certain amount each year for the, the, the, um, the running of, of a conservancy. Um, and then, yeah, finally, i just im curious if the staff has a recommendation, um, to us around what, what they , um, think is the right approach for the long terme governance of these open spaces and parks. And i think maybe that will be where we find that there is a disconnect between from what the board is, is thinking where were going and what the staff. And maybe we havent heard staffs recommendation on what it what you envision this looking like. And then maybe we can work from there. I dont know if were allowed to do that, but it just seems like there is something that we keep asking for that were not getting. And then maybe you arent telling us what you think. And, um, so just just thats all. Sorry to ramble. Thank you so much, commissioner shane. Um i dont think that its necessarily the model. Its necessarily private public or conservancy. It could be a blend of all three. And in fact, in this city there has been this hybrid blend of governance. S i, i for instance, the San Francisco. So, um, the gardens of golden gate park, which is a botanical garden, the Japanese Garden and the conservatory of flowers, um, is in a partnership with parks and rec. It is a nonprofit, um, that is created to activate, you know, those places and to, to oversee and guide the, the planning for those spaces. Um, but they are in partnership with parks and rec. And so i think that thats maybe a model that we can look at. We just want to have more information about what those models might be. Um, the other thing is to put off looking at, um, whether conservancy is the right entity for us until after we have a Critical Mass of parks. Um, i know who makes that decision as to how many parks or which, you know, parks is their evaluation that we do. Um, to decide when do we reach that Critical Mass . Um, and i think that this first phase of parks, which includes the yerba buena parks on the hilltop, the city side park, actually, thats going to be the parks that we will have for, for, for a while, because the second phase and the third phase is, are still very much in the future. And so were, we know which parks are coming online. We, we know what they are and um, and who makes that decision then how do we evaluate when do we have enough of a Critical Mass to support a conservancy. So thats a question that i have. Um, the other thing is that as these parks come on board, you know, are they going to be the activation of these parks, the programing of these parks so that, um, those parks can be, um, robust and they can be inclusive, you know, for both the residents as well as people coming to the island. Um, i who usually that can be done through a nonprofit partner. Um, but do we have implan and, and the opening celebrations of these parks is coming up very soon. Um, how do we activate these parks . Um, when they come online. And whos going to do that as well . So these are all questions regarding the governance. Yes. Um, and i dont know how to carry this conversation forward. Um, we need to have a roadmap map of how to how to do that, what decisions have to be made, how are they going to be made, what are the next steps . Thank thank you. And so okay so, uh, weve weve heard what you youve youve said today and, um, we would plan to come back to our next meeting with, with, uh, uh, discussion of steps and timelines, uh, roadmap for decisions. Yes, please. And in addition, um, as commissioner howard mentioned, todays meeting, actually, we did not go into the evaluation of parks alternatives. So this is what i suggest, uh, for the next meeting, please identify by at least five ledgers, five iconic models, um, that we have throughout the country. And again, city of new york. It seems to be one that that has you know, successfully managed and done where we are striving to do here, get some of those, uh, parks information, their, their governance, you know, structure that will be very helpful. And, um, you can ask, um, commissioner chen, you know, we can give you some information that we have written before. Uh, mr. Beck, what also will be helpful in your presentation, you your statement, you mentioned that, um, the operational cost funding is not going to be a problem. So lets quantify that into the actual cost. Lets see where we have that information will be very crucial because it were starting out with the framework of the conservancy. And we know in year this is 20 24 2026, 27 or whatever that structure that we have will be encumbered on the operational cost. And then we can have a spreadsheet, a timeline as we go deeper, deeper, deeper before we get to 2040. And we can see what the realities and what the information will be like. I think that is the best way to for us to move ahead. You know, right now. And im going to 20, 40 or 70 years or whatever for, uh, putting this together. And we started in 2009. And so i think the consensus from this committee is that, um, we going to try to help to put a frameWork Together, uh, for 2024, whatever combinations that are workable or doable, that we are trying to have. Uh, commissioner, are there any others suggest or statement before i get to the public for question . Thank you. Okay. Seeing none are there any Public Comments . Please from the public . Okay say none. Okay kate. Uh, next on the agenda, please. Thank you. Anne marie, item number four, Yerba Buena Island natural area. Uh, good morning, directors. For the record, peter somerville, titus staff, uh, myself and Peter Brastow are going to be sort of ping ponging this presentation. Um, but in shifting gears from parks management, we wanted to take some time to review the last year in Yerba Buena Island, natural areas management, as well as some of the associated projects that we undertake on Treasure Island under that umbrella. Its been an exciting year. Its been a productive year for, uh, between ourselves, San Francisco environment, and particularly our partners at rubicon. So were happy to, um, share a little bit of that information with you. So at this point, im going to bring up, uh, peter to start the presentation, and then i will be jumping back in in a few. Okay. Um, i items since then. Oh, great. Perfect. Hello, peter. Greetings, commissioners. Great to see you again. Thanks for having us back on this subject matter. And great to hear the passion in your voices for this, for the subject matter in general, based on the previous discussion. So, uh, and just on behalf of San Francisco environment, uh, our director, tyrone zhu, my boss, cindy comerford, just want to thank you again for our partnership over all these years. Uh, and its been such a pleasure to work with, with all the staff, peter and bob and annemarie and all of you. Um, and maybe just to also a reminder of my background. And i actually worked at the presidio for the National Park service, going back to the mid 90s at poster park into the mid 2000. S uh, founded a nonprofit called nature in the city and then started working for the city government, spent in 2012. So thats kind of who i am really quickly at. And im really glad to be able to continue to have this on the ground role of restoration ecologist out in Yerba Buena Island and Treasure Island. So we want to start off by just kind of introducing you to the to the current team. The current natural areas management team, myself and peter. And then of course, our colleagues juan and sergio and the rest of the crew at rubicon, who have been doing great work over the last, um, years working with us. So uh, and just pivoting to one of our most important natural areas on Yerba Buena Island, the oak woodlands overlooking downtown. Um, this this photograph was taken in january of last year. So. And all the photographs, most of the photographs were showing you today are all from 2023. So this is all very current imagery. Uh, this is the yerba buena chapter of the california native plant society. Long Time Partners of ours, of course, on the island and citywide. And they came out to help us do some Invasive Plant control, uh, on the oak woodlands. And heres another shot of us in the in the understory of this beautiful natural area that we have overlooking downtown. And we, of course, relish their partnership and expertise as, uh, as we go forward. Uh, and this is what were going for. This is the understory of the fiesta flower. Its not in flower in this photograph, but that that low growing vine vine that grows on the ground and then climbs the oak trees. Thats the fiesta flower. And this is one of my favorite shots, just really shows you what were going for. That native understory that weve been able to steward over the last several years there at that site. Uh, and, and this is a, the same site just to show you what, what, what the needs are out there. So so over the last year, we havent had a lot of stewardship out there because we havent had habitat potential working with us like we did before. Now were going to again and theyre going to become official next week. Thank goodness. With the tier two natural areas, um, contracts, were really excited about that. But theres a lot of work to be done out there. And so we need that ongoing expertise, uh, working with them to continue that work. So, um, luckily we, you know, we, we, we fended off the, the weeds for the last year at this site, but were really excited to really dig in deep now that theyre coming back. And theres just some example of our Invasive Plant problems. French broom, yellow oxalis, fennel that we work on all the time. Oh, and then peters going to come back and talk about integrated Pest Management. Thank you. So we just wanted to touch for a second on this slide. Um, here on the left it shows both the amount of work that is needed for hand removal. You can see on the left a quite a large set of organic material that was removed from the causeway park. But this really represents one small set of the type of work thats done day in, day out, in the natural areas, particularly after the rainy season and during the growing season to attack and remove the invasives that come up. What youll see in the right slide, then, is whats called weed torching. Its a technique that rubicon uses throughout the island to address bermudagrass. We have a lot of problems with bermuda grass infestation, particularly around some of the formerly landscape navy areas and creeping into the natural areas. So bermuda grass can be a real time suck in terms of hand removal, in terms of, um, staff time dedicated to it, and in terms of the fact that hand removal just keeps bringing it back and bringing it back. So besides this hand removal, rubicon utilizes a variety of unique integrated Pest Management techniques, one of which you see is we torching another, which they use is weed steaming, which is using High Temperature steam applied to the infestations to manage that as well. Were proud to say that we use very little herbicide application on Yerba Buena Island, and practically none on Treasure Island. Overall, um, the majority of the herbicide application we do need to use is to combat primarily tree resprouts acacia, eucalyptus. Once removed will resprout. If you dont paint the stumps. If you dont control those and also other certain areas where weve got, uh, bermuda grass that just isnt appropriate for torching. Um, we just wanted to cover that Technical Area briefly because ipm and herbicide application is legislated by the city under the ipm ordinance. And like i said, were proud to have worked with rubicon to severely reduce the amount of herbicide that is applied during our practices. And now ill ping pong back to peter. Okay whats next . Okay, so speaking of, uh, ongoing collaboration with rubicon, this is the sites, the great whites, the Senior Officers quarters on the east side of the island. Uh, this is a location, uh, that was kind of a remnant. Buckeye oak woodland, actually. Uh definitely with a lot of weeds and a lot of eucalyptus and acacia. We removed all of the acacia and some eucalyptus, although not all of it. Um, and, and, and basically did a planting program. This is about a year ago, maybe a little less than a year ago. This is the rubicon staff out there placing the plants. Uh, and its been a really great project. Uh, this gives you just a little bit better, another perspective. This is actually after planting. But this this is to give you a little perspective on the site and where its located. You can see the buckeye there back behind the eucalyptus in the foreground. And then this this shows you what the site looked like originally over the last several years. This is yellow oxalis, not in bloom here. Not yellow but but thick, lush and green. One of our worst weeds in San Francisco in the central coast. Uh, african flag as well. And so, um, this was a huge task to, to get on top of this in order to prepare the site for planting. And this is a more recent photo. This is what it looks like now, uh, just incredible success. The all the plants there in the foreground, the yellow blooming, um, uh, lizard tail, those were little teeny seedlings, literally like the size of my finger when we put them in the ground and they just grew up like crazy. Uh, and so then right across the street, weve got another site. So one of our newer demo gardens that we planted less than a year ago. We have a lot of these on Treasure Island as as ive shown in the past, um, this is literally right across the street. And we planted this much more densely. Youll see in a moment, but was also infested with weeds such as yellow oxalis. And here we are in the nursery, um, picking up the plants on myself and rubicon staff to take to the site. Uh, and then this is after its been planted. We flag all the plants when theyre really small. Um, but its incredible how quickly they grow. So this is, uh, probably taken maybe may or june of this year. Uh, and then this is maybe even a little bit later in the summer, but totally dense with the whole diversity of native plants that we planted there. And again, this is basically right above the stormwater garden there at the intersection of northgate and winning winning road. Um, and so also wanted to excuse me, uh, dwell a little bit on the area. This is we call this the nimitz slopes, named after the nimitz house. Uh, this was all the slopes that were planted when the new, um, westbound ramps were built. Uh, and so weve been working with rubicon first habitat potential with rubicon, and now with rubicon, uh, to continue to manage those slopes for all the Invasive Plants. Uh, this everything you see in this picture is actually all native plants. So its looking really good. It takes a lot of work. Its ongoing every week, every month, all year long. Um, but were really staying on top of it, and were really happy to, um, that, uh, rubicon is really performing well at that site. Thank you. And we just wanted to take this opportunity with this slide in the next slide to mention you know, we do have several other partners on your island that are landowners, land managers, um, outside of titans purview for operations and maintenance. So we seek to work with them. Caltrans bridge maintenance and coast guard on working to help to encourage them to put a little bit of management into their sites to help us achieve our goals as well. Um, these these next two slides show two sites that are purview of caltrans bridge maintenance, which weve worked with them on encouraging them. They have actually gone ahead and started managing the fennel and the invasives within their site. Um, in coordination with our work. So were happy to say that were seeing partnership with some of our state and federal agencies within that patchwork around the island, because nature and invasives dont respect fence lines. Um, so where we have areas where were putting in a lot of work and there is a lot of natural value, were seeing good success, particularly with caltrans, in theyre coming out and putting a little bit of work in to help us, you know, establish our defensible spaces and start to knock down their spaces being potential vectors, uh, for overgrown invasives. So this is a shot sort of right before the coast guard base. Um, as part of the under story of the bridge. And then this is another space. If you were standing at quarters one, looking back up the hill. Uh, this is a space that shows the fennel that was present before bridge maintenance. Caltrans is such since come in and removed that. But this is a good example of where we also try to work with our additional partners. And well also start to seek to hopefully work with the vertical partners on ybe and any other entities that are coming in for future parks maintenance to make sure that thats sort of quilt of ybe is, um, not so much of a patchwork. All right. Thanks, peter. So, um, pivoting back over to the west side of the island, this is the causeway looking down at clipper cove. Uh this beautiful wildflower is a species of clarkia that was actually in the seed mix that was broadcast by the developer. Uh, by by marina landscaping. Who was the developers contractor . Uh, and so, and this is to bring up the point of the, of the partnership that weve had with the developer and cmg and marina landscaping, their contractor. Uh, and, you know, basically, ive been helping them understand the whole diversity of invasive weeds that come in in a site like this. Uh, because most of these landscape contractors dont have a Natural Resources background. So ive been really trying to show them, you know, we got this weed, this weed this week, this week. You know, youve got to stay on top of all these. And so theyve been hearing that and thats all been in preparation for, for uh, you know, the transition to rubicon. Um, than managing these sites, the causeway, the, the stormwater gardens, um, the, the , the water tank site and all these sites were planted again, remember, with plants grown from by ledge. So these are all local native plants. And so while these are sort of, you know, formal parks, if you will, um, and, and very technically constructed and. With a lot of detail put into by the Landscape Architects in terms of design and everything, uh, the, the material or native plants for wildlife habitat. So we think of them as part of the fabric, right, of the, of the natural areas of Yerba Buena Island. And so this is peter and myself and will from cmg and some students touring the mccullough stormwater site. And again, um, you know, so that we can understand all the, all the facets as we transition into rubicon managing these sites. Uh, and so going over to the other stormwater garden on the east side, uh, this is during the really heavy rains we had last season. And this is just to show you what is kind of a spectacular photo of the of the site doing its job, filling up with water and then, you know, over a couple of days that water draining out, uh, or draining in, i should say, into the ground, uh, and not going, you know, not not having gone to the combined system. Right. Which is what were you know, what were trying to do all over the city with green infrastructure. Uh, but really fun to see that, that, that that amount of rain was captured. And so speaking of the rainstorms and what was going on last season, we had actually quite a few locations where we had some landslides. This is right behind quarters ten, kind of opposite the photograph that you just saw of us in the mccullough stormwater garden opposite mccullough road. Um, this was actually a pretty large landslide. Uh, not didnt didnt affect any, you know, rare plants or anything like that or or infrastructure. So it was just kind of contained within the natural area. Um, i actually might go out there today and stick some buckeye nuts in the ground to give it a jump start for restoring the slope. Uh, havent actually looked at it this year, so i was hoping to go look at it today. Uh, this is another site. This is really close to the bridge below Treasure Island road, below the current construction of the west side bridges retrofit. Um, or rebuild, i should say, uh, and this is actually an even bigger slide. Also, nowhere near any infrastructure. Uh i think the distance from the current Treasure Island road to the top of that slide was at least 50ft, as i recall. I measured it, uh, so quite, quite a ways from, from anything but but still really significant event on the island. Uh, and then this was a much, much, much smaller slide that happened over, uh, what we call the torpedo cliffs by the torpedo house. Um, and this was just something that rubicon, you know, tied to directed them to, you know, put a little fence around it so people dont go climbing up it or in case theres more rockfall. So these are just some of the things that we deal with with, uh, with the storm and others were the fallen eucalyptus over there on the east side again, right below the great whites. Uh, this was just a phenomenally large tree that fell down in a particularly huge windstorm and huge, huge rainstorm. I think it was in february. I cant remember the exact month, but of course, it was in the winter season, and we just have a couple of photos to show you the severity of that and how much of the space this tree took up. It took out the power, you know, it dented the power station and the fence around the power station. Um, and, and took up a lot of concrete. This is another view. And so the and it really landed across that whole hillside where we actually have some, some little buckeyes and oaks that are there on their own. Um, you know, already, uh, and some other native plants. And it was really like, oh my god, how are we ever going to get rid of all this . Uh, but another function that rubicons been playing is subcontracting to julian tree, which is a great local, uh, tree contractor. And so they came in and they cut up all that tree and they hauled it out of there, and it was incredible amount of material. And it took them a while, but they got it done. Uh, and, and now the site is completely repaired. Uh, the. Erosion control was done by rubicon as well. And, and this is a really inspiring photo, both because that whole area got repaired. Everything youre looking at was covered by that huge eucalyptus tree. This whole slope was was eucalyptus. Most of them fell down in that storm. Then a couple more were removed as a preventative measure. Um, and actually there was a huge hole in one of the stumps. So we looked at it after the after the tree was cut and we said, oh my goodness, good thing we cut that one down. Um, and so but whats really cool about this slide, another reason i showed it is because you can see a couple of buckeyes that totally resprouted the one in the middle of the photo, and then one down by the pole, and then the rest of that vegetation is actually all wetland, native wetland plants that just came up miraculously. I have no idea where they came from, but after we after the all the tree debris was removed and the site was cleaned up, these other species that werent there before, um, came up. So really interesting. Uh, so just want to talk again about some of another demo garden site. This is over by the vista point. So. When you come off the bike path coming from the east side, coming from oakland, were going to replant this whole entire. And this will be our newest demo garden. Basically well plant it with all local native plants like the other ones. Um, this is in the dry season. So this looks particularly scraggly. Um, but itll look much better. You know , like our sites, uh, on Treasure Island, such as the one in front of the life learning academy. Um, hopefully in a years time, that other slide will look. That site will look similar to this. Um, and this is just another site. The in front of the gym. Uh, again, working with rubicon, we they they have a team that goes out every friday and goes to and circulates around the demo garden, the native plant demo garden sites on Treasure Island. So theyre really taking good care of those. Uh, and then another very recent demo garden site right out in front of the building, in front of building one. Um, and weve been talking to the developer about the fact we want to remove this hedge as well as part of sort of further landscape, short terms, landscape improvements to this area. Uh, so well look forward to that, this, this, this, this picture doesnt do it totally justice. And its a very narrow area. So you cant really appreciate that. Um, again, we put in very small plants growing on their street. And they, they grew up and you can sort of tell how, how big these ones are there in the foreground, but it actually looks really nice. You just take a closer look next time youre there. Next time you get off the ferry. Um, and so were really proud of all these sites all around the island. And then also just to highlight all these plants were grown by ledge. So so while ledge was fulfilling their contract with the developer for the water tanks for the stormwater gardens, for the causeway, etc. In the meantime, tida was making these small orders to create all these demo gardens around both islands. Um and that partnership will continue. Uh, this is their shot of their old nursery at candlestick, which is now doubled in size. They have a whole new facility down there. And, uh, and they also, of course, have the temporary, uh, nurse tree on Treasure Island. Uh, and then just to show you some, some of our plants, um, for fun, this is right near the causeway. Kind of the closest cliff to the causeway. Thats the native, um, bluff lettuce or dudleya farinosa, the native succulent. Uh, one of my favorites. And then this is coast buckwheat, which is actually growing at the top of the slope behind the torpedo cliffs. Basically, nobody goes there except for me. And just incredible that its still there. We still, despite the fact that this whole new bridge was constructed. Right. We still have some native plant resources that are growing, uh, in that area. So uh, and then of course, our one california rare plant that we have on Yerba Buena Island, the coast gilia beautiful purple plant. We found it again last year. Uh, over there on the western bluffs. Um, and then, of course, our favorite, the poster child, the fiesta flower. Just a couple shots of the fiesta flower to celebrate. Um, how well its still doing on the island. With poison oak as well. Uh, and then, of course, our pipevine swallowtail butterfly, which nectars on the dutchmans pipe vine, which is the vine there pictured on the right. And then, of course, thats the larva. Uh, incidentally, i think ive shown some photos in the past also where we actually had the larva on the nursery, plants in the nursery and Treasure Island. That was something else. Um, and then this is a cool shot of a of a great blue heron, uh, on the shoreline, of course, they feed on fish, but they also feed on gophers. By the way, if you didnt know that, you see them in fields in the city going after gophers. Uh, and then im showing this slide just because its fun to note that there are still things to discover on Yerba Buena Island. So like i said, i was at the presidio back in the mid 90s, so all we were doing was discovering that whole area. Yerba buena island is a lot smaller, but still this year, for the first time, i found this population of fiesta flower down below. Treasure island road. Um, so that adds to the numbers that we have on the island. So pretty, pretty cool. Um, and then, yeah, i just wanted to show this slide, uh, partly to, to pivot back to talking about our excitement for habitat potential, coming back to work with us because they have the, you know, really extensive and deep technical Technical Expertise to work, um, you know, off, off, off the grid, so to speak, on the remote parts of Yerba Buena Island. This is below, you know, sort of below and to the east of quarter 62, kind of below. So, um, mccullough road as it goes past the bristol. Um, so these were a bunch of eucalyptus that were removed to, to sort of create views for the bristol. But a ton of them, they didnt they werent treated with herbicide as peter mentioned before, painting the stumps. So they all resprouted. So they need to go back and be dealt with appropriate. So theres we have all kinds of issues like that. So theres a lot, a lot of a lot of Technical Work that goes into managing the natural areas and habitat potential will be getting way down there, way down deep in there and helping us with that site. Um, and then also just want to mention an upcoming project thats actually happening right now. Uh, rubicon. Just picked up some plants, both from, uh, from lead to the candlestick nursery and from the watershed nursery in, in richmond, which was one of the leading native plant nurseries in the region to plant out a bunch of the hilltop areas with with local native plants. So some of its been planted, theres some trees planted, theres some seeding going on. But magda from tadhg said, hey, lets lets fill in with some more native plants. And so the developer is paying for those. And so weve got about four different sites kind of sprinkled along the hilltop here. Um, on the east here, just literally right in this view, on the right and on the left, both sides of the east hilltop and then also toward the west, where were going to start planting, laying out the plants next week. So really excited to plant that, um, that site as well. And then, um, just wanted to show you this really great view of the torpedo cliffs that you can see. And so the shot i showed you of the, of the buckwheat, um, was at the very top of the cliff there. And like i said, nobody goes there except for me. Its really steep to get up to the top and you cant get there from the other side. Its all fenced off. This is my family, by the way. Were out there enjoying the pier. Um so you can see that its a really great Recreation Resource on a beautiful day, um, with a beautiful natural area and an incredible bridge there to provide that atmosphere. And i thought it would be kind of cool to just point out that, um, you know, all the slides youve been seeing today are of Yerba Buena Island. Um, but again, and ive never seen that image that annemarie showed at the beginning of her presentation from the northeast. That was really impressive of Treasure Island. Well, this is just the sort of 30,000 foot view that i always show. But just to contemplate it that we were only talking about Yerba Buena Island today. But but how much nature is going to be on Treasure Island . Its just kind of incredible to me. Um, and then also to, to, you know, repeat that all this work that were doing here is part of a huge family of legacy, of Natural Resource management and Park Management work thats been going on in the city for decades. And that Treasure Island and Yerba Buena Island are part of, um, and also to say that the goal of oh, and actually, ill just mention the number there, i asked cmg to give me a number of whats the total kind of ecological park land thats going to be created on the two islands. And so they gave me the number 173 acres over over the next decades. Oops sorry. Wrong way. And so, um, and so in the Climate Action plan, we, we put that in as an official action so that were working toward that goal of 173 acres as part of all of the climate of the 32 Climate Actions in the healthy ecosystems chapter and then also just to, um, almost, almost done here. Thanks for your patience. I really appreciate, again, being able to tell you about all this work today. So this is an initiative that the California Academy of sciences has initiated. And, um, starting a little bit over a year ago, october of 2022, um, and, and were now about, i think, 40 organizations strong of an interorganizational collaboration agencies, ngos, educational institutions, etc. All working toward, you know, what has been our long time goal of restoring nature and biodiversity in San Francisco and connecting everyone, giving everybody the opportunity to connect to nature outside their door, regardless of where they live. Um, and but its but its really its, its a, its a new thing to have a Resource Institution like the academy step up and say, okay, weve weve, weve raised some funds. Were here for the long terme to, to help get this going. Theyre hiring a full time staff person to be devoted to nurturing this collaboration. Im on the steering committee, uh, and, uh, you know, on behalf of sf environment, of course. And so were, were at the stage where were, were identifying our priorities and figuring out where we want to Work Together to get money to, to get great things done in the city. So, um, and of course, were all part of that. So and then thats just, just to emphasize that this is the vision that were going for, you know, a fantastic, biodiverse city and, and also finally, this is my last slide. And ill give it back to peter. Um that really this is what were going for. And Treasure Island and Yerba Buena Island, when we have 7000 People Living out there, we want to engage them to be participating in the stewardship in the same way weve been doing in the rest of the parks around the city over the years. Thanks peter. And with that, were going to wrap it up so we just want to touch quickly on what were going to be up to in 2024. Um rubicks work is going to be ongoing, so were going to be chugging along with them in the 5 or 6 sites that they manage. Uh, as peter has mentioned a couple times, there is a second contract for more technical natural areas work that has gone through an rfp process, a contractor has been awarded, and that contract will be in front of the board next week. Um, its a local firm, habitat potential for, uh, the areas that they will be working on by, as peter mentioned, are the much more Technical Areas, steep slopes, um, legacy overgrowth, um, highly impacted with poison oak, uh, a little bit above and beyond rubicons existing technical capacity. So well be bringing in habitat management for the next couple of years to support with some of those additional areas. Um, into dated Pest Management site assessments. Well be working with the citys ipm consulting over the next year to perform site visits and write up assessments and recommendations on the park spaces that tie to is going to be accepting, uh, vis a vis design construct elements that the authority may look to adjust or be cognizant of as we start to manage these spaces, uh, to avoid vectors, both for Invasive Plants and as we get into more heavily used areas with parks and human impacts, avoiding the vectors of, um, pests and finally, last but not least, and i realize i spelled the word wrong. Um, but the tb stewardship program, um, were going to be working to fire that back up in 2024. It took a hit during the covid years, um, lack of ability to hold some Public Events for a while, but were going to be looking to bringing back the public stewardship days of volunteer days on both islands. Um, the native plant demonstration gardens that peter has mentioned are a critical part of the stewardship program. We see those as bringing Yerba Buena Island to Treasure Island, um, as well as also providing some proving grounds that native plants can survive and thrive in designed landscapes. And we are also going to be working with one Treasure Island on the next iteration of the native plant nursery on island, seeking to, um, provide that as not so much just a material sourcing consideration for tida plants are an important long tum material sourcing consideration for tida for the parks, for the open spaces, but also seek to start to use it as an opportunity engine and a jobs engine. Through some of those one Treasure Island programs. Um, so with that, were at the end of our presentation and happy to take any questions or comments the board might have. Absolutely. Yeah. We have a lot of, um, comments. Thank you to both. Uh, peters and for your excellent, uh, presentation. In fact, you know, um, Treasure Island, Yerba Buena Island won the leed platinum. Um, and basically for the last 30 or 40 minutes of your presentation, you more or less underscore why we want that. We have this array consortium of partners that we have with our city agencies, uh, all of them almost. And then we also have outside the city agencies. They are nonprofit assets that are providing services. Okay. And so all these on this score, the previous discussion that we had before that any kind of governance that we have, that we put in place when we decide where we are going to do, would incur operate our vast array of partners that we already have. You have just resolved that question for us because even under the existing structure, okay, without that governance, we are utilizing all these partners. And so were not going to change from that. So anmarie that is absolutely key for you to take under their im really convinced that when we come up with the governance that we are moving forward and again, for the partnership in place, uh, we will be vindicated. Question for you, peter. You showed some slides for the landslide and its at this juncture they want to ask you maybe not answer everything today. Youve been at that island for quite a while now. It would be great for you as we are moving forward. Were talking about maintenance on the short terme and trying to build for the long terme for you to kind of help to inform us here what youre at. For example, those landslide side, uh, there, uh, im sure that structure of that particular place, that is causing that this is some information we would like to know. So when we build, uh, near and long terme, those are the issues we would like to address and put some measures around them. So you could be helping us to really look at. And your general observation is okay. We are planting all these new plants, native or whatever. And the future for the maintenance is basically what we are talking about here. So you are part of that to kind of help us. And number two, what are the kind of irrigation look like in those areas as well . Because on Yerba Buena Island, we know that weve done a lot of infrastructure changes. And Treasure Island there still a lot of work to do there. Its another area. Could you please, at some point highlight and be able to accentuate on what the nature of the irrigation look like in some of these slides that you have shown us . Okay. And lastly, could you please we do not have this great presentation that you have at some point in 2024. I think it would be great to look at the website of Treasure Island tied to be able to have those slides that you have and the one that annemarie will combine them so that when people look in our website site, they can begin to understand and their beauty that wonders that we have at Treasure Island. Those pictures speak for themselves. So you click on that and some of these iconic website nature throughout the world. You click on that and you spend ten minutes and the video slides is just coming. Coming up. And people say, my god, thats no other place in the bay area. I try island and Yerba Buena Island. So thank you for your presentation, commissioner howard. I see your screen. Yeah. Are you i have oh, no. Go ahead. Okay, great. Um, yeah. Thanks for that. I mean, you really pointed out how it is not trivial to, uh, to design, um, uh, restore and maintain in natural areas. Im a, uh, director of science at the nature conservancy, and we, you know, deal with a lot of land in the state and constantly, um, thinking about conservation values and Invasive Species management and all that. I think for me, just looking at your presentation, um, it sounds right now that sf environment is almost in the role of kind of a man managing the yerba buena, is that correct . I mean, for because lack of a Management Entity or a governance entity, is that the role that sf environment is playing . Yeah. I mean, i think i would describe my role as well on my Business Card and on my email signature. I call myself the Yerba Buena Island restoration ecologist. So i think im serving tida by providing ecology expertise. Yeah, exactly. And so, um, when we when, when were working together to manage the sites around the island, im the one providing the ecological expertise to peter to rubicon. Uh, and now that we have habitat potential coming back, they have essentially equivalent expertise. Ecological expertise to mine. And so, so, so then we bring even more onto the island by bringing them on, which is really terrific. Great. And yeah. So yeah, that yeah, its just interesting given our last conversation. Right. Like the need for this kind of governance and, and management. And just curious if, um, just digging into details because im interested if there is a kind of Invasive Management plan or a native species plan, are there some documents around yerba buena and the natural areas . Is that from cgm . Uh, yes. So we have a Yerba Buena Island habitat management plan, uh, which is from 2011 with all the rest of the documents thats that were created as part of the development. And so, um, so we are implementing the Yerba Buena Island habitat management plan. Uh which is, you know, sort of a kind of a typical land, you know, land management, natural areas management plan. Um, and, and was created and advocated to be created by the community because of the recognition that we still have these natural areas on Yerba Buena Island. Um, yeah. Despite the, you know, legacy of development and the and the navy, army, and then in the navy being there, etc. So, so, yeah, so weve been implementing that for, for all these years now. Yeah. Id love to id love to see that. Ill have to dig through materials to, to find that. Yeah. And just to add to that, obviously we also have a suite of regular working documents that we work off of that wed be happy to share with you as well. Um, related to the, uh, you know, detailed excels on ipm strategy, site by site, um, work plan, site by site, site priorities identified, invasive leaves, um, short terms and long terme goals. Um, so like peter said, we have the hmp, which is which is smartly put in place at the time as sort of the roadmap in the general playbook, and then the actual tactics are driven by our weekly site meetings, our resources that we update every year specific to work planning specific to ipm. So wed be happy to share all those with the board. Id love to as well. Definitely. And then you mentioned that, um, that consortium that was really interesting, the cal academy, i know a lot of those folks, um, that seems really what is that consortium called . I didnt hear the name. Its called reimagining San Francisco. So yeah, great. Yeah. And reimagining sf. Org. Thats great. And theyre working closely with you and tida. I mean, tie to staff and on your. Bueno. Great. Cool. All right. Thank you. Yeah okay. Yes yes. And um likewise. Thank you. So much for that presentation. Both peters youve been long at this and, um, i, i, i think that we should be really grateful for all the work that youve done. Um, and im glad to see that you brought your family over to vista point because i likewise bring my family over to those natural areas, and certainly during the holidays when we had many family from all over. Um, that was one of the places that i was proud to show on, on Yerba Buena Island. Im particularly proud of the stormwater gardens you know, they they are, um, beautify people. Um, and, and, um, i look forward to see what this season brings, because when they first started, it was just little plants. And now they are quite luscious and well see how they evolve over time as well. Um, and what id like to say is that when were talking about governance for these parks, um, it does not mean that we will supplant the partnerships and the people that have already. I do want to be very, um, clear about that message to staff. Were not talking about supplanting, you know, um, who the relationships that we already have. There is a difference, however, between Yerba Buena Island, where weve really consciously try to, um, to protect the natural areas, bring back the native plants that were there. Um, and, and Treasure Island, where the parks are going to be much more active and where it will require for some, um, uh, programmatic efforts. Um, and i would like to see, uh, Treasure Island and Yerba Buena Island. Were part of that ecological park land. Youre talking about that consortium that, um, is making the 173 acres of natural area to be part of the sustainable plan for San Francisco. And so this is an incredible resource that we have for the rest of San Francisco. I mean, to have 173 acres is really significant. And what a destination its going to be once we have that. Um, operator going, um, but we do need to have that governance structure to think through what that future will be for both the natural areas as well as the more active parks. Um, i am wondering whether you are documenting and the Science Behind it and the research. Its such an Incredible Opportunity as we have cleared the areas and now we planted, um, are we in fact, um, doing the research . Are we documents ing are there field notes on this . Have we are there Lessons Learned . Um, you know, the institutional knowledge. Thats part of what a governing structure would give. You know, how you pass that knowledge when youre gone . Um, when were gone. But how do you pass that knowledge on so that mistakes arent made in the future . Yeah thats certainly a good point. Um we do do, you know, substantive documentation . Photo documentation before and after of sites . Certainly um, we have identified that thats something that we could even possibly seek to improve on with additional capacity for just that purpose of being able to document the evolution throughout time. Um, i think something thats important to note for the boards consideration with the last items discussion and just this one is, you know, the skill set that peter provides, the restoration ecology background is going to be a critical skill set in perpetuity for tide as needs for both the natural spaces and also the park spaces. Peter is starting to play a key role in the parks Planning Group as well, so whether that is through direct staffing, whether that is through work orders or third parties, um, that type of specialization is going to be a critical skill and Consulting Service to tida for the long terme. Um like i said, unique not just to the natural areas, but also to the parks as well. They will absolutely be value, uh, to the park. So um, you know. Upon looking ten, 15 years down the line when all of us that are here retired, particularly peter with his expertise, um, that should be identified as a as a critical skill set that that the authority will, will need to have brought to bear one way or another. Right. And and in that discussion of the governance structure, it would be a question of where we put that skill set, you know, is it at tida is it, you know, uh, through contract acts . Is it you know, i think that my concern is that that it is there for the future and that it isnt something which after peter leaves off, its something that is forgotten. Um, it has to be a skill set that is incorporated, um, and i had another question about the seed mix that was used in the clipper cove caused bay area. Um, because that was a seed mix which was brought in, as you said, by marina landscape thing. Um, was that seeds, that seed mix, was it natives . All natives . And was it from our area . Um, yerba buena, uh, you know, area, uh, was it seed mix that we had cultivated through the ledge . Um, id like to have a little bit. Yeah great question. Um, so, so i mean, the reason that i advocated originally for the developer to use ledge to grow the plants was because we wanted local native plants. And so thats what we got. Um, in terms of the container plants for all these, um, infrastructure sites, including the causeway, the seeding, the seed mix, what was hydro seeded out there . Uh, generally was not like local, as in Yerba Buena Island or San Francisco was more kind of like bay area. So it was a broader geographic area. Um, and theres a mix that the developer uses all over Yerba Buena Island. You know, when they disturb a site and they put the Erosion Control down, then they have to revegetate it. They use um, and ive and ive been consulting to cmg and them to make sure that theyre not getting seeds from, you know, los angeles or, you know, whatever. And so its a its not as local as wed like it to be just because when youre, when youre when youre putting out that much volume and constantly disturbing areas and having to reseed, um, they use a Company CalledPacific Coast seed, which is a bay area company. And, and but the provenance of those seeds is kind of various bay area counties but including ones nearby. So its pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well i think the concern is if there are invasives in that seed mix. Oh, definitely not. Yeah. Yeah. Although sometimes like with the, um, those Erosion Control models, um, you know, we call them the burritos that go along the slopes. Um, we have seen a couple of weird invasives come in on the on the east side of the nimitz slopes. Weve been weve been very careful to identify those. And then be on top of them. Um, so its possible that some, some, some couple of those highly invasives came in with that material. But you know, since my eyes are always out there, were all working together to, to pay attention. You know, weve nothings run rampant. Rampant as a result. So. Right. Yeah um, and then lastly, id like to point out that im just so proud of the relationship that weve had with ledge on growing the native plants on an on Island Nursery. And i really want to applaud and support that effort Going Forward. Um, its both a job training for youth and its a wonderful resource in the community and the fact that we have been having on Island Nursery to cultivate some of that plants. I think thats its a wonderful thing. But whats happening to that nursery . And do we know how. So ledge is current nursery location has closed down because they finalized with their initial deliveries. Um for the Development Project they have the next set for the trails, which is still a few years away. In the interim, however, like i mentioned, were going to be working tied. I would like to seek to take on the auspices of the nursery a little bit more formally. Ledge is operation was sort of set up and supported in order to have an on island location for their delivery to pticd. It makes perfect sense, right . We dont want to put a lot of carbon out there driving back and forth from the city throughout the bay area for plants, and it worked as an on island site, basically as an adjunct project site for the for the, for the developer sourcing. And like peter said, we would source some of our plants out of there as well. Our goal is to work with one Treasure Island, work with partners like ledge to perhaps maybe a little bit more like the gym model where there is an operator of sort of a tie to managed facility thats performing and delivering on a contracted scope. Both plants and engagement with one Treasure Island with job opportunities. Ledge has a fantastic eco Internship Program that they run every summer that wed like to Start Connecting some of the island youth and young adults with. Um. So currently there is not an operating nursery on island, but thats just a function of where we are in the calendar. We hope within the next six months, um, well be starting to put a structure in place and be able to stand up a new location. We have a new location identified on island that weve been working with our Real Estate Team on, and so dark for now, but our hope is over the next six months, the nursery will stand back up, both for the sake of the trails, um, sourcing and also as titus starts to look into its additional needs. Um, because in several years were going to start, um, running up against needing to look at repair replace for plant materials. Its just inevitable. Um, so working early to set that up, its going to be a critical long terme sourcing if we can house that on islands, i think that would be a big win. Yeah, right. Thank you for that. Um, and then finally im looking forward to spring, which is only a couple of months away. Um, because nature has a way of, um, surprising us with what comes on the island. And i remember, um, the geotechnical mounds of soil that we had ablaze with cal fauna poppies last spring. And it wasnt something we seeded. It wasnt something that was planted. It was nature bringing its own beauty to the area. And we look forward to that. Yeah. Thank you very much. Um, again, i want to thank, uh, the two peters, uh, for your excellent work on. Treasure island and Yerba Buena Island and for peter, basically, thats what we are. The commission here, what we are trying to do here is to have our staff to be on the ground, whether were talking about housing or some of these other, uh, matters that we are dealing with that can kind of help to guide the process. And im extremely, very optimistic here. Um, a case in point, uh, peter, the integrated, um, Pest Management, yours truly. I was on the ground when we established that policy decades ago for the city and county of San Francisco. And so when we were talking about putting together a Governance Framework or whatever, because we know they are successful models, look at the integrated Pest Management. When we put that together, we were the first in the country and this that you know, ipm is supposed to be guiding anywhere in the world. Theyre looking at San Francisco as a leader and we also have all the partnerships that we have cultivated. So basically to this presentation, why im very optimistic that we are going in the right direction and we put the governance together, is that we already have some infrastructure. We just need to connect the dots. We have the, uh, vast array of partnerships. We have policies that have, you know, worked well, and we also blessed to have successful models of people that have even eclipsed us. Theyve done theirs and they are going. And so and with technology and with everybody, we are going to be updating our plan. So i think we are moving in the right direction. So all this information that we asked for today definitely will be, um, looking forward to having them. And we are also resource commissioner chen is well renowned and public realm and parks or wherever. And the connections, uh, former colleagues and people in the world. Uh, commissioner howard. Okay. And yours truly in sustainability, you name that. Um, i, i, ive been part of that and so and we have a director and we have a staff. So basically we, we can show the world San Francisco. We are not just following assisting model, you know, okay. We are trying to look at the best practices that San Francisco already have. Could be leaders in the world and trying to improve on things that we know San Francisco may be need to scale up. Especially we are not there yet with, you know, San Francisco parks or whatever. So we are taking even models that rec and park might have. We will study that and take some of those models, and then we will formulate and create a new one that is more, uh, serving and could be iconic and be a model to the world. So thank you for all these presentation today. And kate, um, any question from the, uh, comment from the audience, please. Seeing none. Okay. What is the next thing on the agenda . Item number five, discussion of future agenda items by directors. I think, commissioner. Okay. None okay. Item six adjourn. Okay. Thank you all, everyone, and happy new year again. Thank you. music . The Ferry Building one of San Francisco most famous that as many of 15 thousand commuters pass through that each gay. One of the things that one has to keep in mind regarding San Francisco is how young the city we are. And nothing is really happening here before the gold rush. There was a small spanish in the presiding and were couriers and fisherman that will come in to rest and repair their ships but at any given time three hundred people in San Francisco. And then the gold rush happened. By 182948 individuals we are here to start a new life. By 1850 roughly 16 thousand ships in the bay and left town in search of gold leaving their ships behind so they scraped and had the ships in the bay and corinne woods. With sand the way that San Francisco was and when you look at a map of San Francisco have a unique street grid and one of the thing is those streets started off in extremely long piers. But by 1875 they know they needed more so the Ferry Building was built and it was a long affair and the first cars turned around at the Ferry Building and picking up people and goods and then last night the street light cars the trams came to that area also. But by the late 1880s we needed Something Better than the Ferry Building. A bond issue was passed for 600,000. To build a new Ferry Building i would say 800 thousand for a studio apartment in San Francisco they thought that was a grand Ferry Building had a competition to hire an architecture and choose a young aspiring architect and in the long paris and San Francisco had grand plans for this transit station. So he proposed the beautiful new building i wanted it wider, there is none tonight. Than that actually is but the price of concrete quitclaim two how and was not completed and killed. But it opened a greater claim and became fully operational before 1898 and first carriages and horses for the primary mode of transportation but Market Street was built up for serve tram lines and streetcars could go up to the door to embarcadero to hospitals and Mission Street up to nob hill and the fishermans area. And then the earthquake hit in 190 six the Ferry Building collapsed the only thing had to be corrected once the facade of the tower. And 80 percent of the city would not survive the buildings collapsed the streets budges and the trams were running and buildings had to highland during the fire after the actuate tried to stop the mask fire in the city so think of a Dennis Herrera devastation of a cable car they were a mess the streets were torn up and really, really wanted to have a popular sense they were on top of that but two weeks after the earthquake kind of rigged a way getting a streetcar to run not on the cable track ran electrical wires to get the streetcars to run and 2 was pretty controversial tram system wanted electrical cars but the earthquake gave them to chance to show how electrical cars and were going to get on top this. Take 10 years for the city to rebuild. Side ferry use was increasing for a International Exhibition in 1950 and people didnt realize how much of a Community Center the Ferry Building was. It was the center for celebration. The upper level of Ferry Building was a Gathering Place. Also whenever there was a war like the filipino war or World War Two had a parade on Market Street and the Ferry Building would have banners and to give you an idea how central to the citywide that is what page brown wanted to to be a Gathering Place in that Ferry Building hay day the busiest translation place in the world how people got around transit and the city is dependent on that in 1915 of an important year that was the year of our International Exposition 18 million living in San Francisco and that was supposedly to celebrate the open of panama differential but back in business after the earthquake and 22 different ferry boats to alamed and one had the and 80 trips a day a way of life and in 1918 San Francisco was hit hard by the flu pandemic and city had mask mandates and anyone caught without a doubt a mask had a risk ever being arrested and San Francisco was hit hard by the pandemic like other places and rules about masks wearing and what were supposed to be more than two people without our masks on i read was that on the ferry those guys wanted to smoke their pipes and taking off their masks and getting from trouble so two would be hauled away. The way the Ferry Building was originally built the lower level with the Natural Light was used for take it off lunge storage. The second floor was where passengers offloaded and all those people would spill out and central stairway of the building that is interesting point to talk about because such a large building one major stairway and were talking about over 40 thousand people one of the cost measures was not building a pedestrian bridge with the Ferry Building and the embarcadero on Market Street was actually added in and in 1918 but within 20 years to have San Francisco bay the later shipbuilding port in the world and the pacific we need the iron that. As the ferry system was at the peak two bridges to reach San Francisco. And automobiles were a popular item that people wanted to drive themselves around instead of the ferry as a result marin and other roots varnished. The dramatic draw in ferry usage was staggering who was using the ferry that was a novelty rather than a transportation but the ferry line stopped one by one because everyone was getting cars and wanted to drive and cars were a big deal. Take the care ferry and to San Francisco and spend the day or for a saturday drive but really, really changed having the car ferry. When the bay bridge was built had a train that went along the lower level so that was a major stay and end up where our Sales Force Transit Center is now another way of getting into the city little by little the ferry stopped having a purpose. What happened in the 40 and 50s because of this downturn we were trying to find a purpose a number of proposals for a World Trade Center and wanted to build it own the philly in a terrible idea objective never gotten down including one that had too tall towers a trade center in new york but a tower in between that was a part of Ferry Building and completely impractical. After the cars the Tower Administration wanted to keep americans deployed and have the infrastructure for the united states. So they had an intrastate free plan the plan for major freeway systems to go throughout San Francisco. And so the developers came up with the bay bridge and worked their way along embarcadero. The plans were to be very, very efficient for that through town he once the San Francisco saw had Human Services agency happening 200 though people figure out city hall offender that the embarcadero free was dropped and we had the great free to no where. Which cut us off from the Ferry Building and our store line and created in 1989 and gave us the opportunity to tear down the free. And that was the renaissance of Ferry Building. That land was developed for a new Ferry Building and whom new embarcadero how to handle travel and needed a concept for the building didnt want that was when a plan was developed for the liquor store. The San FranciscoFerry Building has many that ups and downs and had a huge hay day dribbled adopt to almost nothing and after the earthquake had a shove of adrenaline to revise the waterfront and it moved around the bay and plans for more so think investment in the future and feel that by making a reliable ferry system once the Ferry Building will be there to surface. clapping . Happy anniversary sfgov you have been providing access to Public Meetings to keep folks connected and our original programming highlights the best of information and makes the city proud i call this meeting of the San Francisco public works commission. Today is friday, december 15th, 2023, and the meeting began at 9 31 a. M. Secretary fuller, please call the roll. Good morning. Please respond with hear or present. Lynn newhouse, segal, present. Commissioner newhouse. Segal is present. Lauren post here. Chair. Post is present. Gerald turner. Present commissioner turner is present. Uh, paul wolford present. 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