Grant that requires 3 more installments because you know we cant guarantee that installment will be on a prorate. Unless the participation time will limits ever business on the registry will employ and meet the eligibility requirements then we then just take whatever in that budget of the Business Assistance and divide it across the board. As the law is written. That specifically yep thats how it is written thats why i think from our staff prospective we are saying not granted a grant for 3 years you can apply for a grant for 3 years from the first time you apply that way we have is rolling those coming in later have a greater chance of applying forgive a grants and be able to get a grantee full amount. It prevents us from getting congested by rephil grants filling up the danced cards knowing next year well see the same companies theyve had it for 1, 2, 3 years or in perpetuity putting a limit on it you know in the end we can relax that limit because of limitation this is ridiculous none will apply and only a couple of people we can say we can keep on giving you money because we have that. That will make a business eligible for 3 years but not depend on that if theyre in the system have to get a prorate of what you you can set it your obstacle not more than 3 years and remain obstacle for 3 years and then cut off. And just because you show up next year didnt mean well give you that grant we have others that come after the fact that will produce the results we look for. Not the way ill put that becoming scenario we have standards you going to have to adopt them equally and then theyre in limit the time not take the new crop of applicants you cant come in because weve changed the eligibility requirements in my opinion so you can limit the time and you say you can remain eligible providing your replying you need the money and once theyre in they share equally with the others. I have no objection to putting a limit on it the limit comes from this body if we want to change the limit if we feel not serving the intent of the law we can change it. Thank you if thats the way the law is written we need a limit multiple voices . What were discussing not arguing but discussing the thing that will happen if it San Francisco balls what will happen the limit frankly in year 4 with a request for something; right . Were saying the limit is on the grant not per say the organization requesting the grant oh, i want to grant for something different. Staff is proposing we are limiting the number of years the business can participate in the Grant Program. In the Grant Program to assure that future legacy businesses Grant Program has meaning. Can you come back after a supervisor and sit out and come back again. I think we could revisit that but our recommendation. But for now adopt. Adopt it as is and see if the Grant Program is being opportunity at higher and i think that years is a good time. We can expand. 3 is less than a mayoral term. Rick would like to say something. If i could just make an argument and more than 3 years but the 5 years the reason the long term goal we want to look around the year 2020, 4 years from. Well not discuss divided funding. Okay. Great. Those other things in the purview im sorry. I was thinking that is give us more time. Well it is up to the commissioners so i would like to have the commissioner decide 3 years is a reasonable or 5 years a reasonable number i feel starting out a smaller number is probably better we dont know what the demand will be ill be happy to expand if were overwhelmed we need a limit or well not serve 0 all the people we want to commend serve and well be criticized. I agree lets be conservator and then tweak it. So the business of today so approve this with any modifications and by plugging in that one number. There is 4 things before we get both approving the final program and if any other considerations that you want us to add to the proposed rules and regulations and grants application so the first item is to approve to extend the Business Assistance grant filing period from in the year 20162017 this fiscal year to december 15th. Yes. So that would be great. Are we motioning on each of those. Do we have a motion. Public comment. Why not Public Comment let me reiterate your request for the commission and Public Comment on the entire and fact motion on each the actions so the public is clear to reiterate were asking the commission to extend the grant filing period to december 15, 2016, for 20162017 that the Commission Approves an eligibility list okay. Eligibility use list with what staff proposed or any modifications you want to make to it and approve the Ineligible Fund list as staff proposes or modifications to it can time limit to participate in the Grant Program for business to be able to apply for the grants, and then if theres any other considerations you want us to have otherwise after those 4 items are motions you take action on well take action on is final Business Assistance grant rules and regulations and complaisance awnings a that have the clarification if we decide on this today what is is the process for amending this or changing it is it having a just a second other things that disrupt the meeting are prohibited. Change and voting on it. The first so the entire structure we submit to the board of supervisors they have thirty days to amend or allow as is after that the commission has the authorizations to unless legislated we need leg latsd changes then if not under our purview to pravk reconsider. For example, if the Commission Decides that today to set a 3 year term and a month from anyhow decides it after if we set the limit at 3 signed off by the supervisors and then 6 months from now we decided we want to make that 4 do we make that here at the commission by vote and then to the supervisors again or do we think mark farrell make that change here and it becomes a change ratified by without the needs for the boards approval. Ill need to reverify that based on any understanding of prop j we present the proposed rules and regulations to the board of supervisors once they have responded to it then it is up to you to be able to make those amendments as you see them. All right. All right. Im trying to assess the risk of making a decision today and going home there will be definite flexibility once they legislate it. Youve now made that part of record. And we can have Public Comment on this any Public Comment on item this proposal. Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Commissioners are there any there any administrations you want to make to any one of those 4 items including the use of number 3 in the two places where the number of years is specified. I want to say this is perfect i like the eligibility fund use, i like the others uses to support of continuation the businesses as a legacy business from the Small Business commission that opens the door there and Eligible Fund use whoever put this together were not here for debt relief and you have the right increases with the Consumer Price index and the your covered and i like the 3 years. Commissioner toursarkissian a our residents attorney do you have any changes id like to recommend to this as is you. I think considering the limited fund we have at this point and the fact we have to spread the money we ought to consider a reasonable fund you know since were discussing it i find the years to be reasonable time provided, however, that the business has each time to apply and get funding the 3 years is not an entitlement but out limits. Is there any commissioner that would like to see anything other than 3 years seeing none, that item is closed any commissioner have an issue theyve not seen. A question was posed about the eligible list the only question the item number 4 item number 2 that says employee salaries increased grandchildren the Consumer Price index just the clarification on the record i think that is necessary to set these standards but what does that really mean. Is salary an Employee Salary something that we consider an inevitable use paying on employee. So can i come and ask for a grants heres on easy one one fulltime employees comboobl for a 50,000 grants i can hire one more person and want to hire 101 employees. Will that make our business more successful. The only thing increases in salaries of the city bumps the living wages a volunteery act you increase the salaries because you want to or because you want to keep i dont understand the thank you. The retention the blow retention thing thank you. From our assumption meantime the minimum wage goes up thats the masking the business will have to demonstrate based on their Previous Year the salary payment and then the reason why that what theyre planning on doing and the reason their Salary Increases through salaries or expenses in terms of their annual increases on behalf of the Consumer Price percentage. This calculation is 500 per fte well, i want to give you a fulltime employee a 0. 50 raise and the only element that needs clarification is this employee i actually dont think you can make a grants it is 0. 25 an hour if you said i want a grant you can only get a grant of 500 and want that 500 to give any dish washer a raise if theyre working fulltime 0. 25 an hour ill not give that grant oh, okay. Thats makes all the difference in the world to sustain our business. Having but one question a clarification that the first year they get the grant a legacy business can come for rents and the next year a certification or recognition expenses not have to be the same funding or need. Right. It can be the eligibility can migrate. As proposed it is; correct unless you want to do it for an x number of years. And that brings up whether we want to say it is fine to ask for the exact use of money all 3 times whether we want to impose any kind of limits so attention Deficit Disorder ada or whatever is that appropriate or is that more appropriate for them to ask for a different item. Yeah. I dont know. I think what we could do we could stipulate in the application under eligible uses that you can use the same use for each year or can change the use based on your need and in your Grant Application ill the Business Needs to justifies what theyre going to be using it for and why they want to use it we can stipulate that we have the option of on and on okay. If i get this full funding for 3 years this x dollars what am i going to do 40 with that and plan or say every year ill see what my need is. This is why i asked staff to give us examples look it didnt make a Rocket Scientist to look at the numbers if i look at the first three or four items additional employees 500 for each ftes may be one company with one hundred employees can hire 5 hundreds bucks people you divide that before i 15 an hour 33. 3 hours less than an hour a week that you can increase someones time inconsequential and the Salary Increase 0. 25 an hour unconsequential the salaries will increase the point here is that you see this an, an eligible use but it is pro produce that the taxpayers had save r they saved that business they gave sometime 45 minutes of work that week and a company the guest to hire one more person in my mind are not i wouldnt feel good being held to think i gave uaw three hundred grand and sthrp in those categories. Are you suggesting we eliminate that. Im suggesting that the the Eligible Fund uses signals to what people should come and ask for. Put those on the list; right . It seems weird to me. Theyre not good obligations of the funds and rent theres not come to this side of this education with a rent request well talk about that next week thats a separate part of this i am not i guess id like to see those first four items struck number one because rent dealt with separately lets not have rent on this side dont come and ask for rents but the other things well talk about next week those next ones are about employee wages i dont think this fund is well, one written in a way that numerators it around a meaningful wage increase to anyone and so i feel like taking those off the list were in good conscious make those choices. I agree when you have those on the list few people say oh, well thats really not going to benefit it sounds like like you know a sweet deal for the business. And it really isnt. I dont want to set people up to. Hire multiple voices . Oh, my god now i realize what i asked for we say 0. 25 an hour what. I think that to make sure the board of supervisors understands those are sexy topics and not adding people to the staff we need to make sure they understand from a Small Business appreciative. Its a practical matter weve been asked to make combrantsz that preserve legacy businesses give them a change for preservation and ill argue those 3 items youll had one were saying were dealing with rent in a separate but the other 3 those alegitimate to preservea legacy business. All the other things mixed in. Yeah. Theyre kind of stuff you have to do and it is a one time hit i dont plan on that. And move in the 3. I think the funds the rent increase crowds out the this portion of the funds. Yeah. Available. I think youre right. And should be dealt with at the level of former rent stabilization this is a in my opinion kind of leaps out as a necessity and shouldnt be kickoff remove the needs that the businesses may otherwise have but a portion of this fund and well discuss next week. So just to get it off the table anyone object to not numbered the first eligibility the rent increase. I say go forward. Anyone object. One contaminate and well be needing to provide written record if there are additional justifications for removing them you know it is good to have it so we can officially write it in terms of the commissions. I suggest we remove the number one, if you will, the rent increase because were dealing with rent in the rents Stabilization Fund and this portion of the funding is not rent related. Great. Is there a republican for creating the rent Stabilization Fund segregate and have an offer laptop not detriment of many, many niece of businesses legacy businesses may have. And give a chance to the other needs to show that there are a workable tool. To graduate. And the eligible use to provide you with a smarg borrowing of what to consider we finally lists this youve given full consideration of every possible potential landscape of what sort of fitsdz within the larger discussion of legacy business without their and or what is a in the administrative code in prop j. Yes. By having that list we should number things by having this list of usage were signaling to the constituents of that legislation this is what they should apply for we should remove that part and leave it in the rent stabilization we have a rent provision by remove it from this list of Eligible Fund uses doesnt anybody object a second. Were editing. Now the next 3 items would dont say to deal with them their employee related i propose to you that ploy salaries slash expenses first of all, not expenses because expenses are arbitrary salary i suggest to you that that really only provides such a small potential raise that it is i think consequential and not. If i may this was to help the legacy businesses those items may not help the legacy businesses vpdz we should leave a caveat and say prop j specific talks about salaries and per employee we may have to check back with the responsible person before we dispose of those items we ought to in my opinion, of course, my opinion to dispose of those 3 items and eliminate them subjected subject to getting approval from the City Attorney. Of course thats a good way of putting it before we doing anything through the City Attorney does anyone object to removing those if were not hunters view if the City Attorney has no objection to that. May i have make one other sort of what may happen if we do the City Attorney may be comfortable with this is that in removing them but if a business is able to present in a meaningful way is there a Large Business that could be something under other can be considered. Yes. The last item allows for someone to come and say hey i have hundred employees and want to hire a grant writer laughter so, yeah so i think that again, we get to whether theyre having those heres signals in a way that just teasing businesses to come here in that didnt work. Or whether excluding them someone has a proactively make a case and like invite them or entice them to come and do that. I be that is appropriate because like we keep on saying otherwise people will have Unrealistic Expectations about what some of the items can do for their business we dont want everybody coming up that is 0. 25 an hour over and over and over again, it is better it is a take them out if they come with some amazing and compelling reasons. Yeah. Under the other. And consistent with the time limitations those are reconcurring competitions where the other items on the list are open a need basis and limited in time. If someone says i want to hire a consultant for x number of months and it falls within the 500 per fte than that is different and in fact, ill hire a consultant not an employee. Okay. It is under there so, yes good. Im recommending an idiot to the document to delete the first 4 items under the eligible uses does anyone object and a motion based on on edited document that dleelts those and puts in the number 3 and number 4. Say impeding. And subject to the motion subject to any objection from the City Attorney as to the items we have removed. Yes. Okay. I dont make motions i just laughter . It would be preferable to have a motion on the eligible uses so are they taken in order start with the extension ever time and no. You of the motion page you have your motion page i dont 90 the order i have them in the application timeline so extending that approved that so, now were going looking at eligible uses and ineligible uses and time limits and the full program. So make a motion on each one or approval on. Make a motion or affirm each step and make a motion. Make a motion to adopted this. I think we need to add. With the edited. Yeah. I prefer to make the motion on the edits and then a full motion on the entire program. So someone. Separate program. Move we make those edits someone make the motion. laughter . multiple voices . You guys know changes to the ineligible use commissioners; correct . Or. I move that in the eligible front usage list the first four items be removed from the list. Okay. Subject as to 2, 3, 4 and even the four of them to be checked with the as to the removal with the City Attorneys office. Okay. I second. Okay. All in favor, say i. I. Thank you your next motion will be final motion. Well, we didnt someone should make a motion to adopt the 3 years. I make the motion we adopt the term up to 3 years on item 4 any business legacy business may receive business assistants grant up to 3 years. All in favor, say i. I. Sorry man, i didnt mean to up super our call so, now at the final motion to approve those rules rules and regulations as edited. I move we approve the it includes the thinking eligible. Im sorry. Youll have to edited that based on the edits to the eligible. Correct so we can not. Destroyed number 3. Basically be ineligible list will be debt relief. Yes. Well have to multiple voices . Yes. I think that is right because you can come and make a case rent will be taken off the table and Employee Salary stuff youll have to make a case. It will be cleaner. Do we have a motion to remove the items two and three under Ineligible Fund. I move we strike items two and three from the Ineligible Fund usage oar ill second. Ill second. All in favor, say i. I. Okay. Now do we have a motion to approve this document as edited i move. Second. All in favor, say i. I. Okay all right. So i feel i ran a marathon. Thank you, commissioners. All right. So were moving on to item no. 7. Approval approval of the minutes august 8, 2016, january 11, 2016, and october 2015 and april 2015 all draft minutes meetings. Do we need Public Comment. Oh, any Public Comment on this item . Item no. 7. Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Commissioners do we have a motion to approve the minutes. I move. All in favor, say i. I. Okay. That that motion carries 7 to zero. And number 8 directors report update on the Small Business commission and update on department and recent announcements from the mayor and new introduced policy matters and updates announcements on Small Business activities discussion item. The last meeting to provide a report for our Meeting Minutes so just to give you a brief information the individual we were using for doing the transcription were not able to use anymore and we had o a great intern alex that was helping us with the Meeting Minutes weve been able to keep up and have 10 not including the current meeting but 8 Meeting Minutes from 2015 and 3 Meeting Minutes from 2016 a total of 11 Meeting Minutes that we still need to our backlog. So were working on trying to find other solutions for help but we may have to extend our 12 because we may not be able to produce the volume and then the commission heard the legislation of creating the Cannabis Task force and knowing this is on this years ballot ive asked men can to attend the Task Force Meeting to get ahead of the potential implications we may be experiencing i do think with the Business Assistance center once that starts to it passes i think we will start to see a high influx of people wanting to know what is doable and not doable the task force a lieutenant planning i think we have other things we need to be giving consideration in terms of were tight on our commissaries and commercial kitchens right now and so i think with the package of passage of this lieu alu what that will do the we want to be ahead of considerations before the office and you getting a handle what that maybe and with that, i know ill leave any report at that since we have an earlier discussion today. Great any Public Comment on this item . Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Okay directors report im sorry. Commissioner. Number 9 commissioners report allows the point and Vice President to present on Small Business activities and make announcements of interest. I have nothing to report. I have one. Sorry go ahead. On the 12 we met with dpw ecology and discussed the dismal state of cleanliness in our neighborhood commercial districts and that a good round table came up with potentially productive ideas ill be reporting as were Going Forward a lot of new ideas id like to pass that on. Awesome okay. Great lets make sure we get that on the agenda anyone else yeah. Commissioner toursarkissian. I attended a sfmta Board Meeting and there for two items on o delores that passed unanimously they heard what we suggested and loot Small Businesses attended and thrilled the out another item we heard here the mission carpeting the transit 14 and i want to thank sfmta and director reiskin he tried his staff did a lot of outreach and challenges theyve done some concessions but not enough so i just want to have that topic still individual were losing a lot of Small Businesses really, really rapidly so muni is better thats great but it is at the cost of Small Businesses and the spirit sometimes sfmta is well as a community progresses some people have to make sacrifices two minutes for 20 years of a Small Business. I think it is less about steve and speed and more about frequency they say we are doing this to increase the speed of bus by 3 minutes dont leave me standing on the platform or the bus stop and liquor store trading two minutes for 20 years of business you know, i think the trade offs and i think theyre working on the wrong problem so i dont know how we can convey that they march to their own drums so but anyway, commissioner yeeriley you have something Public Comment on commissioners report seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Last item please. Item number ten new business for agenda for the commissioner discussion item. Maybe a question id like to go through the process with the entrants with Small Businesses like maybe pare me up with a Small Business owner to see how it is on their end it is different from this end just i dont know if that is possible. Yeah. I think well have that opportunity when we see what the first within the scope of it looks like and you know so i dont know excuse me getting involved in the application process where i am not i dont know who how it will go an application; right . The part of rules and regulations meaning not stimulated i apologize that is designed for staff to approve the grants we can do during the first process is be able to kind of walk through there is a grant filing period before we make decisions on the grants so we can start coming before you with this is what some of the grants applications look like. Yeah. Lets look at the first application and see theres a window we can ask the applicant hey if you tweak our 2 00 oclock it too this way and that way so lets wait. I have a comment about the legacy business registry i think that weve talked about the money side of things but a lot of businesses in the city legacy businesses that they want to be legacy businesses because it has some marketing advantage and a lot of them fall into that category and noticed ever hearing with those businesses it is a happy event you know happy. A lot of being a Small Business commission we ought to think about how we maximize on that and mentioned there is a legacy business registry site and i think there are certain things that should be on the site for example, the Business Description certainly should be the opportunity to kind of celebrate the fact that they have theyre on the registry good for the city and good for them and the commission. So this is a good investment the money side is important we have to deal with 3 carefully but this is crucial from a business point of view and you have signature goodwill and. And the funding of registry your point with welltaken promoting the registry in the end one of the benefits is the problems. Thats so, now globulin this urban design hurdle and rick brought a pretty good rhythm in dealing with the applicants more importantly so did Historic Preservation commission and have the rents stabilization and the martha and branding. Lets agendize the discussion after the rent stabilization as part 3 to be a discussion of how were going to maximize the benefits the registry. One item i want to piggyback on what youre doing do have a cvd in north beach i want to put this on the agendas for a future meeting some cvds are doing well and some cvds are not keeping the streets clean i share the clean streets is getting worse and areas that have cvds i contacted them their cleaning the streets and theyre not cleaning the centers so it is effecting Small Businesses i have people dont want to come to the castro because upper market is a pigs sty ill put that out in public and certain people are watch without calling out m