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To the plate it doesnt make sense we want them to rather let the marketplace decide why pdr is going to be we have to encourage it and send them to places where the rents are less and take away unique takes we have that drives passenger door places to brisbane to mass plaza that dont have the taxed but we have unique taxed in San Francisco that drives pdr businesses away we have to look at real causes and not pretend a few other things on the site i went and visited i visited both the site and visited the potrero languish i got to see the site it is underutilized and potrero launch i saw some nested bedrooms their comfortable and large windows that look out to the sun and a wall that can be closed to keep the bedroom dark and private that make sense ill ask the Zoning Administrator to explain if there are any technicalities the eastern neighborhoods plan that effects the nested bedrooms but a lot of them in the Martin Building projects and seem to be a senseable place to have a family or have anyone living in them i had a son with a daft not only not a window but go downstairs and go back to the hallway i think trying to think ahead it can be safe i can have a window as our home a bedroom on the third floor is a long drop to get out the window there is a window but realistically you have to make it down the stairs in the case of a fire i mean, i think that i dont buy that argument shadows on Jackson Playground totally negotiable and i looked at the rec and park they agree with that and paying one . 6 billion in fees and Entertainment Commission is opined on this they you know have found that theyve worked with the project manager to ascertain that any of the noise that may come from the project is not going to be a threat to the entertainment the area i like those two bedrooms and two bathrooms and bathtub it is familyfriendly youll them of want them to have a tube and Platinum Additional first source of labor and so i think it has a lot of good things and incidentally mr. Mac who is the project sponsor is a San Francisco retained has been for quite a while not an outside developer and done a lot of good things set the record straight their tare wields the sidewalks and requests from groups to try to work with the neighborhood when the excavation is done probably toxic materials when you build anything you have to be careful and the excavation theyll keep the materials wet and do it the times of the year less activity and schools not in session but not a condition worked out with do i i think that is a really good project and as far as jackson park usage i was there yesterday i mean at night it is busy and we understand not busy during the day i think that is nice to have as much parkland as what we can but having for families to use jacksons during the day will not be the worst thing. Commissioner hillis. Excuse me. So again, were having a project in lower potrero hill we recognize a lot of the speakers that came out obviously this is an area that is seen kind of its fair share the development along market octavia weve seen similar and kind of the eastern neighborhoods weve seen similar and see a lot of the residents come out you ill have to say not given in the eastern neighborhoods and what the eastern neighborhoods plan calls for i think this is pretty consistent pretty much what we expelled may not the density we gave the current housing boom but certainly an area we count open to provide Housing Stock with the other neighbors ive mentioned not urban expected there is a lot of good things about this project and, sir 20 percent variable how are you doing that is this an 80, 20 tax schedule or selffunding that extraordinarily the project. Thats one of the tools we work with can use were not doing this not bond credit or financing. Youre doing an inclusionary. Sound social responsibility and apprehensive treatment from the Planning Department. So one i appreciate that because we dont normally see that being done voluntarily and not through angle 80, 20 taxation credit so thank you for that. The design i think that great i appreciate i think that is fits in nicely where it is in contextually you didnt try to break it up and make it seem like two or three building i appreciate here it is well done and well done given the context of this neighborhood your rendering the packet look kind of monolithic the windows and the actual building you have documented if the presentations i appreciate that arkansas is a wide street an issue of the perpendicular parking but is there room for a period of time dick parking and parallel parking it will convert from the 90 to parallel is there not room i mean arkansas seems to be very wide that you cant bum out the sidewalk and still maintain that 90 degree parking and i dont know if this is a question for the architect or you city staff but. Were open to look at that bumping out the sidewalk a few feet can make that big. How are you on the sidewalk. Six or eight feet how far. 12, telephone additional. That street is wide so i dont know i mean it is something we can ask i will appreciate to ask that balance between the 90 degree parking and the additional sidewalks it is great to have more sidewalks but i like that perpendicular yeah perpendicular parking and keeping it on the wide boulevards sometimes accommodates the traffic and street activities. If i cocoa the perpendicular parking is eye week days not on the we understand it is completely vacant the custer. No, no i get it, it is not terribly difficult to find parking during the day the perpendicular park but as we add for recipient and detail if there is an ability to keep both it again accommodates that street you feel like you want to gun it on that street okay. Thank you. And a question for the Zoning Administrator on this kind of nested bedroom question could i see a policy as a father of 3 kids ive walked introduce and thank you for showing us those units i i mean won their not not unique to this project on van ness has them and you know 8 octavia not weve seen historic projects not uncommon you know i have a prefer as a whether ill want to raise my family in that type of units that has benefits and that Railroad Flat victorian it tends to be dark so i think there advantages and disadvantageous but cant say they work better or worse for families than the existing Housing Stock i guess the question before us is kind of this expectation this is new we faced here and the understanding how this works obviously were you approved promotions the market octavia the two bedrooms without making those expectation explain. It was enacted as part of the market octavia plan in 2008, with that that made references to the bedrooms obviously a number of bedrooms under the planning code it is fined as a room used primarily for sleeping that meets the requirement the coding for sleeping residence this project is meeting that requirement as mark as the eastern neighborhoods was implemented there were questions raised because i think that happened to coincide with the Building Code with the Building Code and that code cycle in 2008, which for the first time removed the Natural Light requirement from sleeping rooms no clear definition about bedrooms kind of a variety of places for subtle distinction for the Building Department to implement and concerns with the Building Code that you put a light bulb into a room and call it a sleeping room any colleague had an interpretation applying to the eastern neighborhoods and having it you have to have a window under the original interpretation and open up to the street or a rear yard had minimum size and labeled a bedroom that was implemented for several years in 2014 it was slightly revised to give for flexibility about where that window can enclose into before it said rear yard and front you had a courtyard they satisfied the Building Departments requirements we made that more flexible we are reviewing this project this interpretation that was applied in the eastern neighborhoods and again for the mixed requirement thats why their seek an exception under the plain language of the code could be argued their satisfying that but there interpretation is forego restrictive than what was stated and theyre seeking the expectation. Why is that interpretation limited to the eastern neighborhoods why not applied tool all market octavia and when it was developed only applied to the eastern neighborhoods and references the eastern neighborhoods plan the interrelation itself i dont know why it wasnt developed necessarily to have a similar interpretation for other neighborhoods my you know guess it is going along with the Building Code and at that time, this was implemented there were maybe some simple not known that was in place to happen that would change given the characters and allow to have no Natural Light at all now it swings back kind of far the odd directs but provide the in the case the nested bedrooms not facing directly Natural Light but getting its Natural Light from the room that is the loading room it meets the Building Code requirement but not the interpretation it is confusing and i can understand the concerns and frustrations you can have a bedroom like this in an rh2 or rh3 or in the market octavia district and well say it is a bedroom as long as the Planning Department says so but it interpretation is for the eastern neighborhood neighborhoods. The Natural Light that the bedroom gets so the potrero project and similar one hundred van ness you know there a glazing the bedroom and a certain amount of light in the living room main room that allows that i think makes the bedroom functional and work and get light those are requirements and so you can no longer close that bedroom off and not getting enough light. There are requirement under the Building Code depending on the size of the sleeping room that factors into the size of the windows that are requires and many connecticut core can address those requirement this interpretation is something that we have amend the once in 2014 and discussions about further amending and get our feedback on those nested bedrooms and those concerns as well. Great, thank you. Kate Connor Department staff one more thing to add to the Zoning Administrators timeline there is an information sheet that was issued by the department of building inspection and 2013 that addresses those kind of shared light nests bedroom lay out ive prepared a quick and dirty graphic how it is calculated overhead. So when youre looking at nested bedrooms a couple of things one of the exterior windows and the other is the common wall so first looking at the exterior windows the grazing requirement under the Building Code is 8 percent of the schools as far as a 8 hundred plus square feet bedroom youll need because the Square Footage of that room includes the nested room you end up having to provide for glazing on the exterior wall this section portion that the interior a couple of different requirement for the interior the first the common wall must remain 50 percent open and unobstructed and the area is regulated overseeing must be 10 percent of the area floor of the bedroom or 25 square foot whichever is greater and a glazed area that faces that exterior glazing. So a clarification at some point as the existing window from kind of the living area decreases youd be prohibited from doing that or having two bedrooms there. Correct youll have to make sure the exterior glazing will suffice it entire area and also that living area. Thank you for that and a question for the earth did you look at doing this without nested bedrooms in doing it in a way that is typical with you know windows and how will the project differ and under that scenario. Yeah. Yeah. Hi, im william representing the e ar he Roanoke County a version of this building that had a source of light coerce that meets the Building Code with windows into the rooms that is technically compliant and the building didnt change a whole lot in terms of mix or anything like that but the units were in our opinion each other the project sponsor opinion in theory the way to achieve to meet the letter of the law to get smaller light cowered in an older San Francisco looking syndrome a light court in our teams estimation was the inferior decoration that the exteriors have does that answer your question. Again, i think that this is a good project i like the design and commending commends you to the 20 percent Affordable Housing in our discussion of nested bedrooms youre doing or not doing a tax credit it was commendable i think that is a design choice open this nested bedroom one weve seen works or people responds to not youre trying to clam the units space it is the nature of the design that appeals to people obviously they are buying those units im supportive. Director rahaim. Thanks commissioners clarify for the record that was mentioned earlier for the record it not preferable treatment when the mayors executive order came out on prioritizing the Housing Production and Affordable Housing production we amended the directors bulletin and set priorities how to set the their 100 percent Affordable Housing and the second are projects that have towing percent Affordable Housing on site or offsite that is distinctly higher the gentleman calm to us with the proposal if we provide 20 percent onsite that was the response that was able to meet the criteria so we were able to produce intents his process in terms of complying. Commissioner Vice President richards. A question for the Zoning Administrator the exception that we are aisle is a variance section 329 can you clarify that. Youre correct those are the values for the could have and not the finding when you look at the section that refers to the retirement and notice a modification procedure a surveillance if a project is up to the 329 process you have discretion youre not reviewing it i dont think so i dont see anything to use the 329 variance. I guess a question maybe ill need to ask it a different way the genesis why the eastern neighborhoods have those were you aware of the Public Policy poll was we didnt begdefine it market octavia. The eastern neighborhoods to your knowledge didnt talk about that it add to the 34506k standards that refers to bedroom then after the action of that in early 2009 corey teague had a project that had the in board bedrooms and raised that as a concern to my process to the gentleman and assaults the interpretation was development out of concerns of the quality of the room i dont know exactly what that room looked like but it if thats the thing at the time the building requirements were lose notice have the requirements for Natural Light if 2012 that has a policy of how to implement that in a way that meets i think and great meets the requirements and maybe ms. Connor you raised some interesting points about the requirements in terms of light and in terms of the amount of light on the external bedrooms. With the external walls gray meets the requirement i mean i want to refer to the experts but the plans weve seen meets the requirements. I hear where the community is coming fwra absolutely i lived in a house with the lightwell and it was really dictate youre down open the first floor or second floor and when the sun is directly overhead id like to see how this pencils out we have franklin last week and concerns about the brainstorms and sent it back for revisions im trying to see the parallel were here i think the calculations would be important for me 0 id like to see that if we could get it somewhere it might steady what a lightwell will replace. I guess wow. Hard to figure out where to go here i can see where section 329 didnt give us criteria for the exception but the piece that was missing for me was i guess the Public Policy goal when we increased the affordability of units versus the code contains and marketing will be stepping up with 12 percent to up it throws me youre giving up something that pencils out i guess the question for the gentleman why not go to commissioner cohen and supervisor avalos and supervisor wiener to redefine the planning code wouldnt that be easy. Yeah. laughter i Investment Infrastructure but the boosters design interim controls we will not have to have that site but ill defer to other commissioners. Commissioner Vice President richards. Im sorry commissioner antonini. A couple of things off offstreet loading and grant exceptions on that and some discussion about the loading issue it is a residential building and then there is retail so is there exception from having a light zone or exempt from a light place to have a loading zone. Kate Connor Department staff theyll have a 45 foot loading zone on arkansas street but not providing offstreet loading. Thats the only thing an exception almost a modifications serving the same purpose so technically we have to grant an exemption and the other question for mr. Sanchez on i went to potrero launch and has nested units in the eastern neighborhoods one will assume it that had the same approval process when we were allowed to have the nested bedrooms. Two things of a project came in today and doing more bedrooms but had the nested bedrooms what were looking at the required amount in someone exceeds it you can find promotions the eastern neighborhoods that have nested bedrooms and otherwise meeting their units requirement with the proper bedrooms that meets the distinction they can exist in the eastern neighborhoods they dont count towards the requirement separately that project may have been a pipeline project under the eastern neighborhoods and predated at the controls yeah i dont remember the date of approval i remember approving this happened later and it would have predated a period of three or four months before the interpretation was adopted so there was a period of time when the eastern neighborhoods controls existed and were in place but predated the adoption of the interpretation and then i dont know if there was a predate pipeline project. Okay. And i guess it is probably a dbi issue we have to show findings in regards to this i think that ms. Connor you expressed at least as far as i heard they appeared to have the type of glazing externally and internally that satisfies dbi the requirements needs for the nested bedrooms to have the amount of exposure. If i could absolutely we looked at we did a quick study to is how far we exceeded the 8 percent weve adopted and tripled 15 to 20 percent windows versus a simple 8 percent a key component and to answer that question about the loading zone one thing people have not yielded using 18 wheelers to more often and out is where we have and loading zone didnt meet the definition of the loading zone the 45 feet is outside and the 25 is inside people use that. This is understandable i pointed out a residential use for some retail not like putting in a large stroinl use we certainly needs its on big loading zone on site this is residential im going to go ahead and move to approve in two ways the first i know other commissioners have things to say but adopt the finding of the pursuant to planning code 295 that the shadow study shows the shoes will not be adverse on Jackson Playground and the second motion a motion for large project authorization for pursuant to section 329 with expectation for rear yard dwelling unit offstreet loading and ill second that. Commissioner moore. Ive been carefully listening to everyone describing what nested bedrooms are supposed to do are not do i recent to believe for a family oriented type nested bedrooms theyre not only sleeping room but theyre basically the childrens rooms i have a hard time building that a room without windows is appropriated for what is required for General Health and liveability light and air that is sufficient definition and while i think that can be useded as an office and guest room and adults sleeping at night as soberly living space i have a hard time believing that children will not be designing Residential Housing are full lazed massages and appreciate the buildings in San Francisco this building has a Strong Office building look to me and probably the same factor of this glazing that attracts on the major facades thats more of the criticism and the site itself we had other projects there is in the depth to do something that is more residential building which might have courtyards and u or lshaped buildings might not have the same unit count but it is for definition it creates liveability and to a Higher Standards than this particular project suggested to do i hope were not moving backward in how we look at liveability by creating internal rooms to your doing it skillfully back in arkansas has a long decadent history of residential design i question the nested bedrooms. Commissioner richards. I guess a question for ms. Connor we heard the windows provide light and ventilation what is the requirement for the ventilation how does air get in there. Kate connor i might not be super familiar with the ventilation we have a mechanical ventilation the architect might be more perhaps sdreb that compliance. Sure please, please. The code requires mechanical ventilation an actual fan the wall that transfers the wall from the living space to the bedrooms in all cases not to mention it is 50 percent open doors and obviously doors open is tremendous. Where im at if you have a plan b to show it was inferior i havent seen it talk before us id like to take a look at it and see how it satisfies the definition of the two bedroom the eastern neighborhoods im id like to see that and pull up the slide. Could you. If you walk us through through. Sure. On the often the right a nested bedroom and as you can see a large living space the pointer didnt work on the screen so on the left is more of a shotgun units the living room has half amount of windows areas and half the width the living room is long and narrow and long but in this case where showing a wall on the one bedroom on the or left hand corner and that tops takes up the living space more generous in a nested bedroom large and versus the long and narrow on the nonrestricted nested version so we can review that and something to planning we reviewed this in a acholic beverage discussions and we really and after planning staff has seen this made the decision we really want to stake stick with the nested because the living space is so many nicer we really feel it is a superior design. Thank you. Ill add a few thoughts i like the volunteer affordability i think the nested idea is pretty initiative i think the city were getting smaller and getting used to living smaller with the efficiency of space thats probable not different maybe a doirtd word with the loft and the volume of space as the living room if you you know many of us have seen the examples in asian and europe there are small spaces that transformer and transition partition youre a family and have company over you slide the screen and close off the bedroom you can open thing up it is just your home i also think as far as Family Living the definition of a family home is different and i think for all of us whether weve grown up or tipped to stay here weve changed our dwelling 1, 2, 3, 4 times because of growth size i think the reality of saying this will be a family unit where someone had a baby and be there forever is a possibility but likely weve out grown our homes maybe the market the yours says thats great with an infant but johnny is 6 foot 5 and weve got to move out to say well be providing singlefamily homes with their lives for 99 percent is unrealistic he like the direction were trying something new and let the market decide this if so is a fail idea not work well probably not do many more like lofts im supportive and i know the neighborhood has concerns about the growth of the area thats the undermining piece and in San Francisco potrero is growing and it has grown considerably since the 90s and 80s and san jose that is a creative answer to some of the problems the potentially growth area i understand the president to and the need to moderate the need of growth youve suffered through a lot of it of it i heard you speak midmarket im sympathy ethic. Commissioner hillis. I wanted to reiterate i think if we want to looked at the nested bedroom we shouldnt clean up i think an odd its not like potrero is the only project with nested bedrooms ii dont know if we have data but month promotions have a nested bedroom and one hundred van ness but i think if we looked at projects we approved there are not uncommon if we think there is good or bad we probably should say the bedrooms are not have a specific interpretation the eastern neighborhoods and Something Different in market octavia those plans are the same it is just this kind of one Zoning Administrator interpretation and changes the dynamic a little bit in the eastern neighborhoods but as i said as a father these are not necessary or better than having the small lightwell windows you know in a bedroom in some nancys this works better im supportive i ask we look at the arkansas configuration and the balance between the sidewalk and the 90 degree parking if people are amenable to that ask staff to look at that and maintain that park. I will accept on analysis of that as we go forward. Yeah. And see if it works. Yeah. Seconders. Yeah. I believe jay marshall is the Zoning Administrator. Sorry. Sitting here. Yeah. I was actually going to Say Something with commissioner hillis i dont know if this is a finding did you get that jonas. Not a condition of approval. If i may it involves other city agrees we cant commit to the change i think that is mta are other agencies with concerns of the back up traffic to we will work with them and i just love to see that i wont i think everything has been said on the nested bedroom but on the parking not a lot as the Planning Department the acceleration of other transit and communities benefits in the eefrmz we know a lot of that of that comes to us but certain aspects that catch up and this is one area we cant have a little bit of a push to try to mitigate some of the impacts i think part of that is scaping i know facing Realty People are driving the area and keeping that parking until further notice theyll reuse that space and reproclaim that the future. Commissioner moore. I like to see the department create. Bulletin on how to really look at nested bedrooms this commission has rarely decided that to be clearer how to deal with that for or against or between this i want to look back at projects and a lot of tricky discussions items come into focus when you have highly qualified architects or architects that are experienced and others are are questionable in order for this commission were not for the architects to have a better tool something the hands to be more informed of what the upside and down side of the decision. I agree. Commissioner Vice President richards obviously the project will get approved theres a lot of tremendous things about the project when i vote no, not because a project is a bad project but want the language the eastern neighborhoods cleaned up to not glow this again. There is a motion that has been seconded to adopt findings related to the shadow study as well as preview the large project authorization with conditions with the suggestion then that staff will be working with public works are mta regarding the parking issue commissioner antonini. Commissioner hillis jonas one thing. To add the condition of the approval. As amended to a include those conditions from the Entertainment Commission. Commissioner antonini. Commissioner hillis commissioner johnson commissioner moore no commissioner Vice President richards no commissioner Vice President fung so moved, commissioners, that motion passes 4 to 2 with commissioner moore and commissioner Vice President richards voting against commissioners, that places you under your under your discretionary review calendar at 23 arrested after a mandatory discretionary reviewrrested aft discretionary reviewested after discretionary reviewafter a man discretionary reviewafter a man discretionary reviewrafter a ma discretionary reviewdafter a ma discretionary review after a ma discretionary reviewfter a mand discretionary review a mandator discretionary reviewa mandatory discretionary review. Gamechanger commissioners Department Staff the item before you is mandatory discretionary review of proposal to demolish an existing 24 hundred square feet 72 hour singlefamily residences and construct a new singlefamily residences with a partial four story setback from the front facade on 23 avenue in the outer relished within the reef the subject lot on a lot 25 feet in width and one and 25 feet in depth the surrounded neighborhood neighborhood is two to four story buildings and the adjacent property on the north and september 11th each containing two story standards with a large third story setback from the wall the replacement structure will stand at 35 feet in height at the facade and 40 feet from the facade and approximately 28 feet if the Property Line the four floor is 17 feet wide with one roof deck to the rear and another the front the four story will be setback from the north and south side Property Line by 3 feet excluding the fair from the setback of the Property Line the project is in conformance with the residential Design Guidelines and relocating out railings to provide privacy and lights for the neighbors building and the prim facade for more details and propositioned to related to the context of the neighborhood the adapt has received 3 letters of support from the neighborhood and no opposition to the project the public requests pardon me no discretionary review we request you not tank discretionary review and have the applications as currently proposed that will create a quality singlefamily sized residents with the soured neighborhood characters the proposed materials and finishes are compatible with the neighborhood and proirpt dhaltd that concludes my presentation. Im available to answer any questions thank you. Thank you. Okay project manager please. Dr sorry dr requester. Yeah. Thats a mandatory discretionary review. Hello, im georgia with the architecture were proposing to demolish an existing one story over basement singlefamily residences and replace it with a singlefamily residences steve wendys have lived at 23 avenue since 1999 will live there with theyre two children live and work and committed to staying in San Francisco theyre committed to the relationships with their neighbors and theyve reviewed the projects and only have positive responses and al i didnt invited notified the neighbors are no oppositions been received by the architect and stephen or the Planning Department a demolition and replacement of the singlefamily residences is proposed to increase the connection of a first story level to the street and backyard and reduce the overall Construction Costs the existing first story of the recipient is uncomfortable far up from the street and proposing to lower the first story by the existing height the proposed new singlefamily residences complies with the planning code and the residential Design Guidelines the mass and form of the proposed new singlefamily residences blend well with the men, women, and children adjacent neighbors and the block the project is for the designed to the buildable envelope not just the setbacks to maintain the light and air and privacy for the neighbors as al i didnt noted several design improvements for the Residential Design Team and the neighborhood context the proposed floor area is shown in blue and the origin floor plan is in red we reduced the volume at the rear by approximately, six foot plus the volume at the stair of the level below is reduced to provide light and air to the neighbors this is the front elevation and the penthouse youll see the setback at the tower and we reduced the height of this to approximately 7 foot 6 inches and sloped to the building block. The side elevation shows the areas we have solid grarlz and open grarlz and shifted this project back to the rear are the rear elevation and the other side elevation are the volume we we worked with the planning staff for more depth and details at the front of the building thank you. Okay. Opening it up for Public Comment if there is any. Not not seeing any, Public Comment is closed. Commissioner moore and nice project i think that is well directed by planning staff and does all the things well expect it is a mandatory discretionary review because it is a demolition so it is a pretty straightforward project the only question that is not in front of us in rh2 if i increase the size of building that raises the question one will expect a second unit but this is a policy question not in front of us i know to the have that sometimes if we are looking for offering the city equitably is rh2 the area and dont be threatened by what im saying we have an obligation to speak in the abstract it is sometimes a policy question for us to look at that angle of advertised not in front of us we had the discussion with the project on morrey that made a discussion for increasing the building by significant amounts of Square Footage we have that here and perhaps not the discussion butality well have to talk about that im in support of this design i think that is thoughtfully done i move to approve. Second. Commissioner antonini. I like it a lot in looking at the location across the street coordinating across from West Lake Park and the proms of housing is profoundly singlefamily home and this is not the intent of all the project manager as was pointed out trying to add to the existing house that was sighted too high off the street would have not yielded had the sdifshl results by having a footprint not that much larger that was under before they having had a house with more matters at hand im supportive and not take dr. There is a motion that has been seconded to not take dr commissioner antonini. Commissioner hillis commissioner johnson commissioner moore commissioner Vice President richards and commissioner president fong so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 6 to zero and places under Public Comment for which i have no speaker cards. In any general Public Comment tonight not seeing any, general Public Comment is closed. And the meeting is. 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Very good, it will place you under department matters, directors announcement. Good afternoon, commissioners i just wanted to give you a brief report on the Planning Commissions item with respect to the housing Bonus Program. As you know it has been in the kind of the Development Stage for a long time and it has been controversial and the Planning Commission, did take an action last week, what they did, a little out of their normal routine is actually to take the separate votes on several, topics within the proposed ordinance. And then they took an over all action to send it to the board of supervisors with an out of recommendation, either proor con. But what i can do without taking too much time is briefly summarize the position on various topics. One is that they asked us to go father in terms of the sites that we would not consider for the program and asked that we remove all parcels that have any residential units whether they are rent controlled or not. If the site has any of it under the proposal it will not be eligible for using this program. And they ask that we secondly adopt a phased approach, implementing it, starting with the sites that are vacant, or have gas stations on them. The third would be to evaluate the remaining sites, with an emphasis on retaining Small Businesses, and Historic Properties. The fourth was to evaluate further evaluate the Financial Analysis of these project and of this program to look at the area immediate and income limits and there was a lot of discussion about the middle income, portion of this program, and whether it was too high and so they have asked us to take a new look at that. And fifth they asked us to conduct the further out reach and planning with respect to the program, and they also, asked us to look at how projects would conform to the Design Guidelines, that we have put forward, and you may recall that we have proposed specific, Design Guidelines for this program and they have asked us to make sure that when we do the case report we will do an analysis of how the project meet s those guidelines or not. They asked that until those guidelines are finally adopted we will prohibit the merger of lots to accommodate this program. So that we could not merge lots to accommodate a project site. Until new guidelines are finally adopted. And they asked us to look at refining the guidelines with respect to the adjacent properties. With respect to the review process, they asked us to change the review process to require a conditional use for all projects that use this program. With respect to the Small Business, there is a certain about the impacts on the Small Business in our neighborhood, districts and they asked us to give the Planning Commission the authority to reduce the size of commercial storefronts within a new projects, so that you could maintain a small storefront character in the buildings. And they asked that we would with with respect to affordable and looked at to establish the rates that are particular to a neighborhood. And because some neighborhoods clearly are more affordable than others and look at rates that are lower to the median incomes in those neighborhoods. And with all of that, and the discussion which, i think went on for about six hours, they did take a vote, to pass it on to the board of supervisors, with no recommendation. I am happy to answer any questions, thank you. Commissioner pearlman . Just in your opinion at this moment in time it sounds like so Many Properties have been eliminated from consideration. Are there muf properties to actually make it work through all of this effort . Our analysis, we, you know, it applies to, and i am not going to get the numbers, exactly right, but i think that it will apply to about 30,000 parcels across the city. What we did was look at parcels where it is most likely to occur and that is a list of 240, those 240 dont have housing on them any way. So those 240 parcels we think will still work. Based on the recommendations that they have made. And they dont have, they dont have housing they dont have the Historic Resources on them. So that was our first cut any way about where it will most likely apply. And so, they did recommend going ahead with that portion and with that first 240 sites, but then asked us to look more carefully at the remaining parcels. Thank you. If the board does not approve this proposaproposal, since thi state requirement, what will happen at that point . Well, the way this is a very good question, you know, the state Bonus Program has been on the books for a long time, but because of a recent, napa city, and i think that it is an napa city court case and it will apply to the projects that are prohe vieding any level of affordable, such as San Francisco, even if it is just the base requirement of affordability. So the way that it will work is that the projects could evoke on their own, the program on their own and asked for additional density and height by providing Affordable Housing units even if it is the 12 percent that is required in the code. That will be entitled to the state law under the additional density. You are not confirmed of that yet. Actually we have, there are five or six projects in the office that are provoking the state density. Commissioner . Yes, could you just clarify again, i think point number three, related to Historic Properties did you say to exempt them . No, what they said was, what they said was, you know, they would support a phased approach, where the 240 parcels that are largely vacant, could move forward but asked us to take a second look at properties that do have resources on them to see how we might shape the program better. They were not just exempt, that is correct. To make sure that there was an evaluation. Correct. Any other questions . Thank you. There is nothing further, commissioners, item two, and the review and the Planning Commission and announcements. Tim frye the Department Staff, no formal report, other than director rams report on the program, and i did want to follow up with a couple of items related to that, and one is that in mid june, on your advanced calendar, you will see the neighborhood commercial district survey, will be coming to you for adoption along with the neighborhood commercial, Historic Context. This is also intended to clarify which properties in these areas that generally accept greater densities. Are historic and which ones are not, under the local, program, what is being proposed at this time, is buildings determine eligible as an individual resource will not be eligible for the, or to the program. Meaning that you could not redevelop one of those sites if you had an individual, resource, however, there was a district and you had a district contributor, that property may be eligible, if removing that property, from the district would not cause a significant adverse impact to the district. As you know, in a district, we look at the district as a whole, as the resource, rather than the individual, buildings. And so that is something that we hope to have more information on by the summer, where we have just begun our neighborhood out reach, effort related to the survey work and it will be back to you, in mid june, with the findings. If there is nothing, further commissioners we can move on to the commission matters and through the chair, seeing that the president has stepped away, if we could potentially take item four out of order . Skipping over the president s report. Okay. Here he is. So item 3. President s report and announcements. The only announcement that i have is that i wanted to announce that the california, preservation evaluation is having the annual conference, in San Francisco and so i encourage all members, and commissioners and members to attend. Commissioners item four . Consideration of Adoption Draft minutes for the arc february third, 2016, hearing and draft minutes for the cha february, 17th and regular hearing for february 17th, 2016. Comments . Commissioner highland . Yeah, i have two comments, on the cha minutes. Since it occurred, and the minutes from that. The paragraph is essentially the same language as the agenda, and that does not change. And that is okay . Yeah. And then on the hpc minutes, and on the public speak, and the general Public Comment, there were three speakers on the first speaker we listed the presentation and on the last two, we didnt give any further information. The reason for that, commissioner is georgia has begun to invoke a section of the sunshine ordinance which allows a member of the public to actually submit their comments in writing to be included in the minutes and they are limited to 150 words. Perfect, thank you. Any other comments . Does any member of the public wish to comment on the draft minutes of february, 17, the arc, for february, 3 ird . And the Cultural Heritage committee for february, 17th . Seeing and hearing none we will bring it back to the commission, do i have a motion to adopt . I move to adopt the minutes of both. Second. Thank you. Thank you commissioners on that motion to adopt the minutes for february third, arc, february, 17th, cha and hpc hearings, commissioner johns . Yes. Matuta. Yes. Pearlman. Yes. Highland. Yes. And so moved that passes unanimously six to zero and places you on five, comments and questions. We can move on. Excellent, commissioners that will place you under your regular calendar for item six, the mothers Building Condition assessment informational presentation. We need a motion to recuse commissioner highland. I move to recuse commissioner highland. Second. Thank you on that motion, johns . Yes. Thank you, john. Yes. Matsuta. Yes. Pearlman. Yes. Highland. Yes. And president. Yes. Highland you are so recused thank you very much for hearing this item my presentation is on the assessments that the arg undertook and it was funded by an hpfc grant on the mothers building at the zoo and joined by don from rec and ma park and david and richard and the friends of the mothers building and also allison comings with the Arts Commission will be joining us as well. Quick reminder, where the mothers building is. On the left you can see the arial view from 1925 when it was constructed. It was part of the and it provided a space for mothers and Young Children to relax while enjoying the pool activities. Today, it is located in the zoo. It is a yellow circle shows you where the mothers building is in 1925 and today. I am sorry. Here, if you know the zoo well, you can see it here in the upper left. It is right by the new elenor friends playground and the gardens are close to the mothers building. Quick, review of some Historical Context of the building. So mentioned it was built in 1925, the murales were painted as part of the wpa program. That is the most historically relevant, piece of the building, and so we will be going into that in a little bit more detail. They are mostly painted in the 30s. And touched up in the 60s and the 70s. The building was used throughout most of its life as the mothers building until the pool was removed, the youth of the building changed in 1960, and the 70s and the early, 2000s it was used as the zoo gift shop, and some of the other activities in the zoo and it was decommissioned in the early, 2000s. Here are some of the images of the mural, the top image, richard actually took these photos, the top image shows a large view of the mural and then the bottom one shows some detail images. They were all painted with egg temp ora and so on top of the building, within the west plaster is this typical of these murales during this time period. This is another one. Here is some close up views of other aspects of the murals. And the conditions assessment that arg undertook, did both a survey and the photographic evidence and they had a number of consultants to pull together all of the information that we needed. The conditions assessment, ended up with immediate, short term and long term goals for building reconstruction, and the immediate is really the building, and the protect what is there right now. And the and we estimated it to be about 200,000 dollars and the zoo has already helped with some inkind aspects of this which is, you know, sort of removing some of the trash in the area, the cleaning the gutters and cleaning some of the vegetation in the area. Short term is a little bit more intensive. It is estimated to happen within a couple of years. As soon as we can find the funding. And this is really destabilized the building. The long term project which is almost, five Million Dollars, this is all in 2015, dollars. The 5 Million Dollar project would work to seismically retrofit the building and reserve and protect the murals one of the biggest issues of the seismic retrofitting is how to, how to retrofit the damage without damaging the murals which are along the interior wall that ajoins the exterior of the building and so one of the ideas as you can see in the bottom lefthand image is to do some unusual illustrating on the outside and butressing with perhaps some animals, and something that look like the zoo and brings in the new youth of the area. So this is the next couple of slides just sort of detail some of the issues for the immediate needs, on the upper righthand side, is the plywood and the protection that was placed outside of the building to help protect the inside mural that you can see here from the further degredation it is the on the western side and it gets hit by the storms and rain and it has not faired as well as the rest of the building. So this was a temperatu tempora. So some of the work and this is also what the zoo has done to mix this area that has been sort of taken apart in this picture. Short term needs again as i mentioned is to really stabilize the building and long term needs will do the seismic retrofitting and the ada access. Okay, that is all for my presentation. We are very excited about this. The murales, and the mosiac from the outside of the building are spectacular and we are glad to have this Structural Assessment so that we have a better p understanding of what is needed to preserve and restore this great asset. Thank you, commissioners . Questions . Commissioner, john . Yeah. Commissioner johns . Thank you. The wrong line. Well, that was a great report. I dont know whether it was you or mr. Wesle but i was interested in a couple of things, actually historically on page 3 of the report, it talked about a 1988 Grant Application for it, and archaeological Grant Program for the california wild life and park land and con certify Administration Act to resoefsh the mothers building, was that just an application or did it grant, successful, did you, did the Parks Department receive the grant or was it just an application. I dont know that information, i imagine that it was just a Grant Application. Do you know, david . It was not awarded. It was not awarded. Yeah. And i guess that over all, what i am interested in, is knowing where funding can come from to take care of the both the immediate needs as well as the long term and so, i am interested in how Something Like that could be pursued again. Right. Offer what other information you might have. Yeah, i think that grant opportunities would, or potential source of funding for this. Do you want to . Sure. And along with that too, would you need i would like the commission to be as proactive as we can, under the procedures. Including the potential landmarking as well. That is my whole thread of interest here. Yes, thank you, thank you, commissioners, and aven and i am the director of planning and management at the recreation and Parks Department. In terms of the question about funding it is a good one and the 5 billion question for us on this project. In terms of the long terms. The first step for us, was really completing the assessment so that we could have the sense of the magnitude of the ask and also the time frame in which we might need the different investments. And so we have divided into the short term and the longer term needs, in terms of my First Priority is to try and support, mr. Ross man in getting funding for the building to take care of the immediate and the short term needs and so we have met with the zoo, and who while not having much in the way of Financial Resources to commit, nonetheless, did undertake a number of using their own inkind, resources and the important, main nens activities to deal with the list and there are things that on the l is that need to be done. So we are presenting to the rec park commission, to give them the same information up date, and with the hopes that we can begin problem solving with them about how to tackle the short term needs, including the fact that in the coming years budget there is money set aside for emergency, projects and stabilization and etc. And that maybe, that could be a Funding Source for this project. That is a decision of the rec park commission, but we do hope to talk with them and explore that in more detail. From there, if we can stabilize, and focus on the needs in the short term, our hope is that we have been very effective as a department, in seeking out other Grant Funding streams for projects like this. We were able to get several Million Dollar grant for the museum and we have done, you know, for other, Similar Properties and so it is definitely on our priority list. And we also have now that the assessment is done, that we can be more competitive for some of these funding streams and there is something called the opportunity, Funding Program that the rec and Park Department manages which also might have some funds, you have to go through, again, a community reviewed process. But i think that this report is a very positive first step in setting us up to compete, more effectively, for some of the funding streams that are out there. Can you tell me when is the rec and park commissioner hearings. It is the third thursday of every month. Whatever this months third thursday. The 17th. We would like to, and i or somebody on the commission could come and represent the commission at that hearing and speak about that. That would be fantastic. That would be great. Very helpful. We will figure out who will attend. That is the great assessment. I thought. Yeah. Any other questions before we do the Public Comment . I would like to comment that it was a well done, report thank you very much it is an amazing building. And we would definitely like to support ways to help to preserve it. Because i think that with the assessment really points out is that that, really a critical point now in a certain and if we have a really bad, winter continuing the building is going to be vulnerable and we lost the pool building and we dont want to lose this one. We will take the comment at this time. Any member of the public wish to speak, come forward. Yeah, thank you, commissioners. My name is loren jones and i am actually here on another matter and i have no idea that this was going to be happening. But i am a native San Francisco and i grew up swimming in the pool as well as spending times in the mothers building. And ill think that it is just great that you guys are considering helping out, saving that building. And i am also a guardian at the zoo. So i see the building all of the time. And i have been watching it slowly deter ate and so i just wanted to add my support that. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Ross man . I am richard ross man with the friends of the mothers building and i give the tours up at the tower and i just wanted to put these murals, in context, they originally applied to work at great tower, but they decided since they had worked at the zoo, went out to the zoo. And most of the artists in this time, were mostly men. I think of the 27 artists at the tower, only, four or five were women. And so it took them over, they started in 34, but it took them to 1938 unlike the tower and the beach chelt which are fresco, wet plaster, this building is a temp er and so it was dried plaster and for a number of reasons, because they made too much money, or in between they went and did painted the post office in merced california if you are ever going down yosemite stop and see these murals, and one thing that i like to tell people, beach chalet and the tower and the mothers building, they were not designed for murals like George Washington or the stock exchange. The artists there just needed a place, or a wall to work. So that they could get paid. And whether you know, they are supposed to last permanently, they have. And except for the west wall, the other murals, if you sort of, and the pictures are really in good condition, and because, these murales are higher off of the ground than like the ones at the tower and they are just really, spectacular and so, i hope and then the other thing is that the childrens you know this used to be the main entrance into the zoo where the mothers building was, but they closed it off and made the entrance on the side of the building, but now that the zoo has opened the childrens area, up, so the people can see the building, you can now walk right up to the building, so it is accessible and the zoo wants to open it up and as an educational center. And i hopefully that maybe there could be events there in the evening. And so the people can really enjoy these murals, and so i look forward to getting this project completed. Thank you. Thank you. Hello, im the Deputy Director of the San Francisco heritage and we are here to offer our support for this very Important Initiative under score the significance of this resource. And congratulate, you know, richard for all of his hard work and advocacy. And our partners of the rec and Parks Department and Arts Commission and the zoo. On that we are here to be a resource and a partner on this long term effort to restore the mothers building. And we also are excited to announce that we received funding from the Historic Preservation Fund Committee to undertake Historic Context statement of the new dealer ra resources and in addition, that includes, funding to complete, 3 landmark nominations for the sunshine school, George Washington high school and roosevelt middle school. 10,000 of those funds is coming from the budget on behalf of the request of supervisor eric mar and that was really work that we have richard to thank for that too. He has been a wonderful advocate and we just you know thank you for a great example of the Community Activists thank you. Thank you. Any other member of the public wish to speak . Seeing and hearing none, we will close Public Comment. Commissioners any final comments . I guess that i would like to make one final comment, which is obviously this is a building in need of a patron. So i would encourage the rec and Park Department to publicize as much as possible this proyekt and consider starting a campaign for this building because we have about a big donor pool in San Francisco and it seems like a prime candidate for a donation for that. For the restoration. Thank you. Thank you. Move to the next item. I wanted to talk and have another comment here. And you know, i could not help but think of the gray brecon does he have this on the website . He must. Yes. And i am just thinking about more ideas that where we could help not only in terms of thinking about making sure that gray has this on his website but in terms of these Historic Preservation commission. If i am in San Francisco on that day, i may have to be in washington, d. C. , but i would be happy to go to the rec and park commissioner and speak on behalf of this, if that would be appropriate. Yes. Thank you. We will discuss that separately. Thank you. Commissioners seeing nothing further we can move on to item seven, 2015004228 des at 235 valencia street, this is a landmark designation and you have received a request to continue this matter. So as it is on your regular calendar you can hear it and then consider the request for a continuance at the end, or take up the matter of continuance. I am going to recommend that we believe that there are members of the public here that we hear the matter and determine whether we want to continue it, and the request for the continuance was based on the owners building owners request for more time to do additional research. It seems like a reasonal request, i think that it would be good to hear the matter now. Very good. Good afternoon, the item before you is the designation, application for 235, valencia street. Following the draft application for the landmark designation in may of 2015, the historic precertifiation commission, requested additional information, and directed the staff to provide Technical Support and the revised application was submitted in december of 2015. The program was documented in the north, historic parcel survey, at that time it was determined, ineligible for a local listing on are a designation for the government, review process or that it may warrant the consideration or planning, it may be noted that it focused on architectal significant significance, under the oth events under the person criteria. Based on the new information, provided through the community, sponsor landmark, application, staff was determined that the subject building is eligible under the persons criteria for the california, register, loren appears to have been a pioneer in motorcycling and played a role in the development of motorcycle cultural in the bay area and nationally. However, the landmark application lacks a broader Historic Context of the Motorcycle Community. Making it difficult to fully evaluate the level of significance in that context. And the building does appear eligible for the california, register it does not appear to meet the Historic Preservation for the priorities for the local, landmark, that are part of the landmark, designation, work program and the four priorities are the designation of the under represented including the land skapz and the designation of the buildings of modern design and the buildings located in under represented areas and the designation of the properties with the strong and cultural or ethic associations. Even with the information on the motorcycling community, the building may still not meet these designation priorities. Based on review of the landmark, application, the department does not recommend to the historic commission, initiation of the subject building for the article, ten landmark, and this concludes my presentation and i am happy to answer any questions. May the applicants come forward. Then . Thank you for taking up the bill for the former jones dealership, and the 235. Valencia street. The possibility of the attention of the historical planning and this commission, because we like many others in the Community Know the legend of jones and his place in the history of motorcycling, and we felt that it was important that this new information be brought forward before the building was lost from the historic fabric of San Francisco. And in the valencia street, corridor and once the epi center of motorcycle business, for those in the greater motorcycling community, he is loved and reveered for fostering the culture through the Great Depression, world war and modern times, what started as a form of recreation at the turn of the 20th century, became for the half and the lifestyle that he promoted through the birthday parties and leadership in the San Francisco, Motorcycle Club and the national event, sponsor ships and both, amateur and professional, and throughout the life, he never missed an opportunity to promote this lifestyle, and including making sure that he was the first person, across the golden gate, bridge in 1937, or with his indian motorcycle. And in 1951, he created the motorcycle, blue book and 235 vlencia, street, with this first, distributed publication of its kind for motorcycle, he sought to provide a guide of new and used values for dealers and insurance, companies and municipalities, and the motorcycles, as a main stream, form of transportation. He grew the dealership into the largest distributor of motorcycle and scooter parts and accessories in the nation, and enabling the riders with all makes and models regardless of where they lived, and where they had and what you needed to get on the road and ride. He didnt care what you rode. He wanted you to know about the experience of riding and with the great people that shared that passion. We encourage you to continue this landmark process. And yes, the city needs new buildings, and there are several coming to the same block and more to follow. But the city also needs Old Buildings and facades to maintain the sense of the cultural history of the area and the people regularly visit this location to reminisce hap and what he and his dealership meant to the motorcycling. This is the only, early, motorcycle dealership that remains, unaltered and representative of an area where they filled the corridor, and it also happens to be that of one of the most significant, pioneers of motorcycling culture. Thank you. Thank you. Good afternoon im brian, and i am a resident of the city and a member of the San Francisco motor club and i serve as a chair of that clubs district. Historic committee. The San Francisco Motorcycle Club founded in 1904, over 112year history, included the mayor mccarthy, and Lincoln Beachy and the members of the hall of fame than any other organization anywhere ever. And our members pioneered this sport of motorcycling and has excelled in every aspect. We are a family oriented club and the ranks continue to include, the families that span three and four generations of membership. And today, i am speaking in support of the application, and recognizing the historical experience, and within the relm enjoys the success, and later the National Distributing company. And hap jones is imminent among the hall of fame, and we are grateful for the contributions of the club and including serving as an officer, and as the president , in 1928 and 1942, and in world war 2, and led the founding of the messenger, core and the member of other clubs and civil, organizations and i also note that he personally negotiated it on fulsom street where we resided for an organization, for 70 years. And but it is more than the local, business, and the community member, he made a contribution in motorcycle sport and innovation in the industry and shared the success by launching the career of many others, he got a start in the motorcycle, competition in 1927, winning the class in the San Francisco event. And he quickly became one of the leading riders on the west coast, and riding large motorcycles and he excelled on the courses and in 1926, he beat an exceptional slate of National Riders to take the ama National Tourist championship and he earned several before retiring in 1928, and as she mentioned always a show man and a bencher in 1 may, 24th, the first day that the Golden Gate Bridge was opened for pedestrian an traffic, and due to the crowd and piloted the first vehicle, and in 1987, at age, 82 he roo repeated that for 5th anniversary, he accompanied on the ride across the bridge to commemorate the 70th anniversary, all during this time, he agreed in the several businesses and among these was the motorcycle dealership and despite the Great Depression he thrived. In 1946 he began to sell additional brands, including sun beam and norton and that as a part of the dealership, he operated the company. And after world war 2, he has become an industry, standard, the blue book, that provided pricing for the motorcycle became the industry standard. He had an eye, for business and racing talent, throughout the 1930s and 40s, and champions. They were some of those that were at some time worked for hap jones and were sponsored by him and went on to succeed in their own businesses. Over the following generation, it continues to sponsor races and racers, and including that second wave and the legendary, dick man, in the 60s and 70s. In the prominence of the world of motorcycling and he received, the countless, honors from the groups and the manufacturing honors and the organizations, and in addition to being appointed to the ama hall of fame, he was also recognized with the perkins award and was the motorcycle, industry, man of the year in 1987. And hap jones is a motorcycling legend, but more importantly he was a generous, innovator who shaped the large role that he loved. Like the home of television he works off on green street like the side of the ppie where he lived his last moments, and it was part of something big, something that the impact is still felt and brings honor to the city. Like very few of those locations 23, is still existed and should be awarded pride of place as a place of pride, thank you. Thank you. Hi, commissioners my name is loren jones and i am a native san franciscan, and the only surviving heir of hap jones and his son and i have brought along some photos that were much more interesting than just listening to me talk. His First Business was out on the street, near the Golden Gate Park and the bicycle rental and the repair company. One of four races that he won. Just kind of a historical picture, i think that brian may need more details about this than i do, but we are currently, working on preserving a lot of these trophies which are going to be on display at the San Francisco, Motorcycle Club. You can load these in for me. So this is an early picture, the early picture of my mother and father on a motorcycle. And my mother was also very involved in the motorcycle industry. And the motorcycle races and various events. And oh, here this one. Briefly, they took a trip across the united states, on a motorcycle and the car in 1937, you can imagine what that must have been like across the states and back. He had these, these yearly events, for almost 20 years, called the hap jones motorcycle the birthday motorcycle birthdays. And he they had all kinds of, they left the city, and went out into the country for a full day of all kinds of motorcycle events, and bbq and this picture just shows some or one of the womans races and he was very supportive of the womans races as well. Just a picture of my mom, she was also very active in racing, and not necessarily a champion like my dad, but very involved in the motorcycle events. He was there for 2 years before he moved to 235. Valencia. This is a picture probably in the very early 40s. My uncle who took over the business. And you can continue. Thank you. I will disregard that. And so as brian said he was part of my dad was part of the motorcycle civic core. He was probably still young enough to be drafted or to join, but he had a serious arm injury and so this is how he was able to serve his country, during world war ii. This picture was taken and this is a Typical Group photo not taken in the normal place, you guys might recognize this location, right in front of city hall, on the way to one of the hap jones Birthday Party annual events out in the country. And here is a picture of, here is a picture of my dad with the evil kanevil he did sponsor all kinds of celebrities and he was an early sponsor of evil, kaneval and here is a picture that i just located and i just kind of dug up out of the files of evil, kaneval doing one of his early jumps right here in front of city hall. And this is his, the Office Building of hap jones distributing company which he began the wholesale business after he moved out of the valencia street location, and this is the building just to the back of the street. And he moved back there and my uncle golden took over the Motorcycle Company which continued on for about another 20 years. This picture was taken in 1970. And i think that there should be one more. So thank you to your time, commissioners, and i enjoyed showing you these pictures. And thank you very much for the pictures. Do you have any questions before we go to Public Comment . At this time, we will take the general Public Comment on this item. Any member of the public that wishes to come forward. You have three minutes. Good afternoon, commissioners. My name is kelley, and i have lived in San Francisco, for almost, 22 years, i am an architect by trade and i live and work on the same building, and these have gone to deeply appreciate the character and more importantly the character of one of the most prominent people to own and share the building with the public for many years, hap jones, as a motorcyclist for most of my adult life i was familiar with hap jones and the purchase from the distributing catalog, a two inch volume of the parts and accessories that one could order from the nationwide dealerships in 2002, mo my partner and i fo us moving our business, in a building adjacent to 235, and the people regularly stopped on the streets and reminisce, in the motorcyclist from the area and increased our knowledge about hap jones and where the institution started and grew. In history, we soon researched and collected the memorabilia. A couple of years ago after a fire in another adjacent building, and the research, we discovered there was new information to the building. We originally brought this information to the attention of a historic planning in september of 2014, and were encouraged by that to continue to bring the new information forward and creating the landmark report. And the motorcycling community as you heard from a couple of people today, some of the speakers has benefited greatly from haps life as a figure in the area of motorcycling, through the research, we have met, many great people who knew hap and every story gets better. And it recounts a time when the community, and community, inclusion and in the course of a little bit of reverly were the constants. The landmark, report shows a lot about hap and help to pop that person off of the page to an mate this story. This landmark has nothing to do with stopping the new development. I am very much in favor of new, positive well conceived development and also have a deep affinity for the contemporary architecture. This is not a hard core, group of recertify vagpreservation, a this is a group that knows the value of preserving and we are here to lead in and ask the commission to see this cause and strongly consider to take action to not destroy more of the irreplaceable culture of the citys history. And i and many others, would not be standing here today if not for the encouragement of the planners to proceed with this landmark report, we as private citizens invested countless hours and resource to bring this to the public light and now we encourage the commission to do the part and move the landmark forward and there are more stories about hap joans that you will want to hear. Thank you. Thank you. Does any member of the public wish to speak to this item . Members of the commission, i am the representative, and we are focused on the process, obviously and we were actually working toward a march 16th, no the for today and which is why we are not ready to go, which is where the continuance came and we have a great analysis in the work and we will be ready to share that, and we hope that you will continue to that date and give us an opportunity. Hap jones is a great guy, though. Thank you. Any other member of public that wishes to speak on this item . We will close Public Comment and bring it back to the commission. Commissioner pearlman . I am really torn here. Because, we dont have something sort of in between landmarking the whole building and just creating some kind of a way to, partly, we dont have a way to honor people like hap jones, unless we know about the new building that is going to be there. And in other cases we have incorporated you know, Historical Information in the lobby of the building or Something Like that. And what i am torn about is that, you know, when i look at all of these pictures and i hear the stories is that, very little of it related to the building itself. You know, so hap jones is a man and the fact that he sold the motorcycles there is really just a small part of the story about who he was. And the culture he created. And being the first one on the Golden Gate Bridge and all of those are the stories about the man and he could have been in any building and as you showed he was in different buildings over the course of his career. But to landmark this and to saddle the future with this particular, building that was not considered to be, you know, worthy of note, certainly, it is a nice building and it is, you know, a handsome building of its time so i am very torn about whether we landmark this and then you know, and then, the project sponsor, who is going for come forward in the future, will have to either incorporate that and we dont know what that is because we have not heard the other side of the to ary or know what is going to be coming. If there is a way that the project sponsor, for the ownership, could incorporate this building somehow . In the future building, and then it might, you know, be a way to kind of bridge between the history and the present. But, i am not there yet, in terms of landmarking this particular building. Relative to its personal history. I think that the things that i am working. And commissioner, and commissioner johns . And both of you try to hit the request to speak, button. Well i didnt want to Say Something. Which is, that there is has been a request, and not only we dont have the whole story in front of us, there is a request for that we continue this. And give some somebody else an opportunity to present more information. And before, i am prepared to make any kind of a decision, i would like to hear the entire presentation. And so that there may be something in what is to come, that would be influential and the commissionmaking decision. So, it is appropriate, for me, to move to continue this then i would do that. If it is not, because there is already been a request. Then i will support the request. Commissioner johns do you have a comment . I agree. Thank you. Commissioner highland . Well, i was going to actually say my opinion and unlike commissioner pearlman, i think that i dont agree with Planning Departments assessment on number four, the designation of properties with the strong cultural and ethic association. I think that if this were some other culturally significant person, we would be having a different conversation. And for whatever reasons without getting into any kind of labeling or assessment of why we are not considering this a significant cultural person, i do, and i would think that it is. And i would support further information and i support the continuance to hear the other side of the story, and if the business was still in existence, i think that it would be a perfect candidate for the legacy building, registration. So, you know, i am not on board with Planning Departments recommendations. But i do support a continuance. Great. If you want to make a formal motion to continue . Yes, i move that we continue this to our next meeting and the one that mr. Julius wanted. Yes, commissioner if i may, march 16th, you have a very full calendar as it is. I dont mind moving this to march 16th, but just keep that in mind if you choose to. And what is the meeting after the march 16th . Just after . April sixth. And that would be fine. I would like to know from mr. Julius whether that date in april would be appropriate . And mr. Julius . April, 6th . Yes, yes, we can do that one, yes. And so then i move that we continue, until april the sixth. Okay. Second. And that is in terms of the timing of responding to the landmark initiation, is that meeting and the requirements that we have for that. I believe so, and it would, and we would be ready at that time and i would ask the applicants if that date would also work for them. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Okay, mr. Highland. Yes. I would just want to point out the request or the comments the staff in the analysis and that is that the landmark designation, application, lacks a broader Historical Context of the Motorcycle Community in which to evaluate jones importance, and the extent of the scholarly or the Public Knowledge about this is unknown to the department. But because pertinent aspectses of the Community History and the basic facts of the development and culture are not detailed in the application, it is unclear, why the motorcycling community is important to the bay area. And so, maybe between now and then, that could be addressed . And that could help to move this thing along a little bit furt r further. Okay. And so i think that we heard a motion for april 6th . Second. Second. Yes. Thank you, commissioners on that motion then to continue this matter to april 6th. Commissioner johns . Yes. Johns . Yes. Commission, matsuta. Pearlman. Yes. Highland. Yes. And so moved, that passes 60. And commissioners that concludes your regular hearing and there is a review hearing that will follow this. Okay. The hearing is adjourned. 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[gavel] good afternoon ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the february 29, 2016 meeting of the ethics commission, which is substituted, or continued our regular meeting which is on february 22 our regular meeting which is on february 22, 2016 get our first call of the role commissioner andrews, here. Cohen here hur, here. Keane, here. Renne, here. All commissioners are accounted for. Turning to item to Public Comment on matters appearing and not appearing on the agenda. Do i have any members of the public who wish to comment at