Transcripts For SFGTV Police Commission 7616 20160711

Deputy chief hector sinus for acting chief tony chaplin and the director of the occ joyce hicks. Thank you, good evening, everyone. Welcome to the july 6th Police Commission meeting. Thank you for being here. Weve got a full house, and a long agenda with a lot of important items. Were going to go ahead and ive had a request from supervisor avalos who has to take a plane tonight to move our agenda around, so colleagues, ill note were going to move item number 2 first. And take that before item number 1 to accommodate the supervisors schedule. Before we do that, just im going to ask the sergeant to remind us all of the rules of order of the Police Commission. We want to hear from everyone and there are some specific rules that governor how we do Public Comment and all that. So sergeant please read those. Speaker thank you, everyone. Speaker rules of order, members fts public to end titled to comment on items prior to action taken on that item. 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Speaker to have a productive meeting, ill need everyones corporation and you can make sure we get a chance to hear from everyone. Thank you. Ill also notes we have an overflow room for folks who are not able to be in this space. It will be at the north light court. So and that will be televised so folks can follow there. Thank you. Were going to sergeant, call the first line item. Speaker presentation of supervisor avalos, police reform, budget drafted dated 2016 discussion. Speaker good evening, welcome supervisor avalos. Thank you, president loftus, commissioners, deputy sinus, deputy hicks. Thank you for having me. I want to thank you for your service on serving on this body. San francisco is undergoing termoil and i want to bring our city together and to do that, we really have to work to establish trust, transparency, and accountability on all sides whether were looking at from the Community Perspective of how members of the community kneel and are harmed by the Police Department or on the side of the commission and the Police Department looking at how we can build trust. How we can put measures in place that will enable us to build trust and have a stronger effort to minimize force, and minimize and stop officer involved shooting with impunity. Thats a task we have as a city to unite together. I have been working off and on with different organizations, Community Groups and Justice Coalition groups for looking at how we can put in measures to assure accountability, to reforms that are being discussed so theyre not just adopted, but are implemented. And one of the things that ive come up with and i talked about last time or Board Meeting two weeks ago was this idea of putting on reserve, a portion of the Police Departments budget to be released as the Police Department have reforms thats agreed upon. I came out with an alarming number. 200 million that was my first statement about it when i was asked point blank by the media, what were the size of your reserve and i said 200 million. Thats a sizeable amount. The Police Department budget is 577 million. Theyll be 377 million, but i realized 200 million is too large of an amount. We need a sizeable amount to assure the department is going to come before the board of supervisors to show to discuss progress the department is making on reforms that are being adopted and implemented. Not just adopted, but implements by the department to the department can show the transformation is happening and the conduct and the be havenor of officers on the street. So i have a draft proposal. You have copies shed there. Theres copies on the table if people want to get copies of that, and these are ideas that have been in the works. Some have been adopted and others are being discussed. I have reached out to acting chief chaplin, and deputy chief sinus about getting input about what this list of refoerls would look like. We havent squared up on when were going to meet facetoface to discuss. Weve had emails where weve exchanged dates and the department is going to share dates. It will be next week well settle on that. To me it makes sense that the Police Department identifies what they want to be measured but we have to make sure theres a media input by the board and the commission and the Community Side of what we expect the measurements to be in order for the department to show theyre obtaining specific thresholds in meeting reform. Thats what this measure is. Ill go through the different sections. Essentially, we would put a portion of the Police Departments budget on reserve. Im saying up to 100 million. I think a sizeable amount, whatever it is will make sure the police comes to the board and how theyre making progress. One was to have a joint Police Commission meeting, Board Meeting to go over the Reform Efforts so the Police Commission can talk about whats been adopted and the Police Department can talk about how theyre implementing the measures. So first is on the use of force. There was a policy that was preliminary adopted two weeks ago. I still think thats being worked on. But i think whatever is adopted that we put specific matrix on for the department to show progress in that. Some of the ideas we have is, you know, a certain percentage of officers are being trained by january 1st of 2017. Were looking at training all full Duty Officers of a new policy by july 1st 2017. So were getting to cover the whole department by a particular year. I think, its going to be clear that the Department Might have different measurements, but we want to be able to come together and what the specific measurements are going to be. We also want to make sure were getting Quarterly Reports on the use of force. How often the instances happened, what has resulted in death and injury. How many officers themselves have suffered any injury in the line of duty as well which would be important to note because policing can be very dangerous work, and thats something hangs over officers head all the time. We want to make sure the effort around crisis intervention can continue. Ive heard talk about training, but we have had a long time year discussion about the model and the model itself have not been adopted and been brought to our precincts. We dont have the teams in our precincts to be able to implement the training that officers should be getting to make sure we are doing whatever we can when we have to confront people who are in a crisis we have a real structured approach and a leadership approach to making that happen. So we have certain measurements on that as you can see on the form. Number of officers who are certified for cit, the number of shifts happening per station. These are some of the matrix we would be looking at in terms of implementing a crisis and its not adopted as a dgo as far as i have been told. Were looking at the early system intervention Early Intervention reform. This is a dgo that has been adopted in terms of implementations, its not clear thats the actual case that the department has implemented the actual Early Intervention system reform, so we want to look at the matrix on that and have the department present to the board of supervisors about fulfilling those matrix. Speaker whats dgo. Speaker department general order which are the rules that the department makes about how well conduct its work. Lets do our best to let the speakers go. Thank you, supervisor avalos. Speaker if youre out of order, ill let you know. Thank you so much, continue, please. Speaker thank you. Were looking at ways to strengthen racial profiling and make sure officers are collecting data and theres actual efforts put in place to make sure that racial profiling is minimized and consequences are made when racial profiling happens. And thats really about collecting information, and going through a process around the process. Also looking at lastly on this list, is establishing more objecting processes for back ground investigations for promotion. We get a lot of laterals that come from other departments to come work for the San Francisco Police Department. And it has been the case in the past where some people coming from other departments have records that really should be more clearly poured over and questioned about whether officers are going to be the best officer to represent the people of San Francisco and to where the badge of the San Francisco Police Department if they come with serious issues from other jurisdictions and also officers who are currently on the department who have shown dramatic use of force that has thats been questionable whether it should be happening. These are the measures we have in place. Im open to further discussion with the Police Department about how to move forward on this. This in order to enact a board like this at the full board of supervisors, i would need six votes. Im not clear if i have six votes. I believe i may, theres the whole public process well go to whether to implement such reforms. The first part of that process has to be some communication between Police Commission, the Police Department, my office, and to get input from the community as well. Time is short for that. But i still believe its possible to put on a reform. Put on a reserve. Condition reform and still square up what those actual conditions will be. I believe this should have been done last year. This was an idea i was trying to get my colleagues on Budget Committee to adopt last year. And i felt if we had more scrutiny from the board of supervisors about the department and what was happening around the department and use of force and officer involved shooting, we could have prevented the shootings that occurred. We have seen great harm in San Francisco that has happened since then. Weve seen our city torn apart. Weve seen communities that have trust with the department have that trust completely eroded. We have to come together and we have to make sure were working across all of our city departments including the board of supervisors and the Mayors Office and the Police Commission to make sure we have transparency, accountability and implication of reform to have thank you supervisor avalos for your comments. [applause] so this is an item, colleagues its on for discussion so its not an item to take action on, but make sure were informed. You have a copy. It appears your proposal has been revised since june 15th. Yeah. Speaker some of the matrix have changed. Speaker the change from the matrix and the use of force, we changed the matrix based on what was adopted. Im looking at an ordinance thats addressing use of force as well that actually could be stronger than what the Police Commissioner adopts, but this the matrix for on this form are based on what was adopted preliminaryly by the commission. I dont think this reserve works so much to make you and the department adopt policies more than actually show progress in the implementations adopted. You reduce it had to 200 million to 100 . What percentage of the Police Budget is that, of 100 million s. If the Police Budget is 575 speaker i say up to 100 million. A sizeable amount, that would require the attention that would grab the attention of the department and the Police Commission could be less than that, but thats a sizeable amount is 100 million. The amount of the size of the reserve isnt as important as the resistance of the reserve. I see. Do you know i feel from our time here and this might be for the deputy chief, which part of the budget is percent pell . Is personnel . I think roughly 95 . Speaker thank you for being here and sharing this with us. Im sure my colleagues have questions. Commissioner melara. I think, last time, that was one of the questions i had, how it would impact the department. I was wondering if do you have have you had the opportunity to talk to the mayor and the board of supervisors Budget Office to find out what impact it will have on the department . Im actually talking to but the impact of what happened in the department. Ive talked to the mayor staff. I havent talked to the mayor directly. The mayor and i dont really talk a lot. But and our Budget Office is every member of the board is overseeing the budget. Speaker okay. Im assuming let me say this. On Budget Committee, we did approve three Police Academy classes and approved the classes that the department will reach its 1,091 authorized strength adopted in 1994. The last time it happened was in 20092010. They have the money to meet the staffing requirement of the department. Way proved the funding for training, for the body cameras, and question is whether i want to prove prove support for tasers or not. Thats something that will be before me on the 19th. But so far i think thats whats been adopted. 99. 9 of the Police Department budget was adopted and there was 3 million at the board. That gives out the balance. Speaker the 95 the 95 is for staffing. Even if you guys approve those academies, those would impact those academies as well. Only if we dont release the funds and if the department doesnt move forward on reform, thats before the board of supervisors whether we should release funds. If the department is carrying out reforms and implementing reforms, i think the board has a strong case to release the funds to make sure that the officers are getting paid and the academies are getting paid. The board has a political decision whether to release the funds or not. Just one more thing. Most of these are policy issues, so it is on our hands as the Police Commission to do so and to implement if implementation goes to the department so the department has little to do with the policy piece, so it would be upon us. Speaker im not sure what you mean by the department what it means, youre asking the commission to pass these policies in order for the department to prove they can do what the date to do what theyre doing, so my question, i guess is that youre actually telling the commission to pass these policies, but youre going to punish the department by withHolding Money from the department. I dont see anything about punishing anyone. I want to actually come to a way that we can unite on how the department is going to carry out performs thats adopted. Its not just adopting reforms. We heard a lot from the former chief that were making progress on reforms, and then we had another person of color killed on the streets of San Francisco. And so i want to make sure that doesnt happen again. How do we make sure were actually adopting new policy and that policy is implemented in the department. And so i dont know what policies youre going to adopt. But the ones that you are going to adopt, i want to make sure we have specific matrix we can work out. I want to make sure that when we do have a conversation with the police with the police chief about what makes sense in terms of having specific matrix to show that the department is carrying out its reforms, that we actually have a clear document thats not going to be about what youre going to adopt, but what has been adopted and well make sure theres transparency and accountability about how those reforms are being carried out to officers conduct on the streets. Okay. I just want to make sure were clear as to this takes policy for the department and who runs the department. So theres a disagreement there as to whether youre telling us to put these policies in place. This is a great proposal, i think, and im very im very in favor of the things you proposed, but the question is, is the division of who is implementing the policy for this department and who is running the department and i feel like this has to do a lot with policy. Certainly it does, but it has to do with how policies are being implemented and held the department is being held accountability to policies developed. I have a branch all about policy, so we have you were apart of the executive branch and the policy making body, but we have overlapping roles. Speaker yeah, i think thats the point. By charter we set charter, but its important to if it effects their district. I think adding clarity on who is responsible if something doesnt happen is an important part of this so you know who to say why didnt this happen. I think an area probably we can fine tune here. Vice president turman. Thank you supervisor avalos. This took a lot of detail in work. Thank you for coming. The 100 million, would you parch that between the five pieces regarding the and sort of doing a check list as to how each section is being implemented to start releasing funds or would it be a hold on everything until everything is in place . Speaker i would say that the best way for this function would be probably starting after the First Quarter of the or even the First Six Months of probably the First Quarter is like releasing funds in chunks by quarter. So the Quarterly Report of the board of supervisors to talk about progress on the reforms that are being met and that will fund things will be met. Its going to be this is not, like, accounting in a ledger. Its about making sure that theres a discussion, theres transparency, and theres real effort to show progress with clear matrix and so its going to be you know, vague about whether thats being met or not. The board has to decide how much to release. Thats apart of public legislative process. But its one that is not particularly hamstringing of departments. We do reserves all the time and together, a reserve release, besides doing the work of leading the conditions the reserve, to get a reserve release, all you need is a letter. Its perform. Its about three sentences long asking for the release of the reserve be scheduled and the department has a hearing before the board of supervisors and then after that hearing, the board decides whether those funds should be released or not. I guarantee you, its not going to be an easy decision for the board not to release funds, but the effort of creating this process of accountability and transparency is a meaningful one to build trust and to show theres many eyes looking at the department, working towards progress on implementing transformation reform. Sorry, go ahead. Just a quick followup. Tell me what would happen . Lets play it out. Its going to be vague, which i think ive got concerns about. Just we will have 11 members of the board of supervisors who are all going to want a piece of saying whats going to happen. So that is off of what happens from the board. Like things happen here. I said the other day this wood that comes from mongolia is observing politics and its something that is apart of the legislative effort that we go through all the time when were actually making difficult decisions to make the city a better place for everyone. Thats my issue is that its not going to be i think we tie things to specific matrix that create specific conditions about how things will be released. We would have our hands tied and we wouldnt be able to get anywhere, but having something that is going to be broad enough to have a good discussion, that the department can show earnestly that theyre working towards real reform and implementing program and showing specific data that theyre doing it, thats meaningful, and so having a specific measurement per month, to me is going to make it much more difficult to actually have a way to make sure the department can do the work it needs to do. Okay. I got that. I think for me, the question is i like the requested of accountability and matrix because i think theres something we did this or we didnt do this. In terms of creating trust and Building Trust with the community, my concern is if we say theres matrix to set up and the department doesnt meet it, but in earnest, they did their best, it could be vague and it can be subject about i dont know about the wood and the mellow drama, but ill take your word thats apart of it. The question is, the board says were not satisfied with the earnest of the work. Tell me because i dont know enough about the legislative process. If you said were not going to release the budget. If its 95 of personnel, what will happen if the board did not release the funds. If were talking about january we dont release 15 million, nothing. The department will have enough to do its work. Were not going to get to a critical stage until later in the fiscal year, so things will get critical if the department isnt earnestly working towards reform, things will get critical towards the latter half of this current fiscal year we just entered into. Speaker i though im sure we want to hear from acting chief chaplin. He had to go to a critical incident. I cant stay longer. Speaker thank you. I want to get to everybody, but the deputy chief, i think probably wants to weigh in too from the department perspective. Commissioner hwang and de jesus, thank you for indulging us. Speaker thank you avalos for an interesting proposal. Youve identified priorities which is department shares. These are priorities we have identified as things we need to work on. Its interesting to put matrix on it. I think this has been the criticism is we dont follow through with looking at the matrix. Thats all good. My two concerns are one is that the matrix what were trying to do is achieve a philosophical the matrix may rush things. If you train 50 of the officers by january 1, theres one thing to read the policy to them. Its another to have them adopt the floss thats in their hearts. I dont know if this would cause a more superficial training as to opposed to a philosophical shift. Thats my concerns with the matrix, right. Theyll be a chance for Public Comment after this item. Speaker i would think about whether or not you want to force the department to hand that way if what were trying to do is a shift in the philosophy. Speaker thats where the implementen someone who doesnt work within the department cant say what the matrixes are. The officers needs to have training and best matrix to provide for the board to consider probably from the department. Speaker and my other one, and im kind of thinking out loud, instead of 100 million, whatever figure it is, thats a rough number youre working on, what makes sense to me, before we have our training and everything set is maybe to tie it to the release of funds to the Academy Classes. We dont want to train them using the old philosophy and have to retrain them. Thats a better way to tie it whether a 100 million thats going to hit the budget and take officers off the street. Its my impression that the Academy Classes are just within the overall salaries and benefits budget of the Police Department. So the Police Department can decide and the Police Commission can decide exactly where that reserve will hit. My final five, im concerned with this idea of too many players within the department, right. The mayor had came out with proposal around creating a new task force around auto burglaries, we cant have that much input from these different political agents and i think that causes a lot of problems with the department itself. And so i believe that thats a good point. And thats why ive asked for the chief to give me a sense of what makes more sense. Im not trying to create more work for the department. Im trying to make sure the department does its work. Thank you. Commissioner de jesus. Speaker i want i just want to point out this commission and we do recognize and we should recognize that there this department is in crisis still and remains in crisis with communities in San Francisco regarding the use of force. This is the beginning of our process of reform. The second thing is although this Commission Sets the policy, we have been criticized for not Holding People accountability and making sure its enforced so just because we pass the use of force, i think its incumbent on top of this commission to have our own report to make sure the reforms are being implemented and the officers are trained. My understanding when you came last time, people are seeing this as a punitive measure. This is a power of the purse and this is something that the department has done to get goal and matrix negotiated with them as necessary to get the job done. That was what you told us last time. Its common. The most common ive seen was on the Public Utilities system and water improvement program. We have allocated billions of dollars for the the wifa program and we put on reserve, hundreds of millions of dollars. Thats why the number is not a big its not as big of a number. We put, 300, 400 million on reserve pending the Public Utilities commission showing us progress and planning before they get to spend those dollars on construction. So we want to make sure the planning is effective and right and we see those conditions are met, then funds are being released. So if were punitive, we would have cut all the Police Academy classes and we would have done all these other things that would have dinged the department and been impossible for the department to function. Thats not what were looking at doing. Speaker some of the communities that people have brought some concerns and youve addressed some of that, but i want to point out the concerns that it was the slow growth of the department, that it was punitive for the department and that and that it would take services a way from communities, in particularly, the larger communities that theyre down in terms of officers. Maybe you can address that to the people at home who are concerned about how it might impact the department. We have, in the past two years approved five Academy Classes. In the coming fiscal year, well formally approve 3 Police Academy classes. Those were in line with the plans to get to the 1971 number to make sure every district precinct can have the resources that the charter says they can have. With those resources we can get to a Stronger Community policing effort and by district, everyone would want to see actual from our Community Organizations that are proposing a Police Accountability are also talking about beat officers, but those arent being implemented because the Staffing Levels rpt there. The last time we had them in district 11 along the [inaudible] with the 200910, we were at the 1971 number, people actually liked that approach because you had officers that people knew and were able to make relationships and that to me could be the strength and how to build that trust. Its not universally felt, but felt by the people who have been involved in our Community Police efforts and cpap and creating Community Safety in the neighborhood. Speaker thank you. Thank you, commissioner mz. Speaker thank you, supervisor. A lot of topics on your proposal, we discussed back in april. And its good to see youre very interested in what the commission has done. For example, a lot of the use of force policy, the crisis intervention team, Early Intervention, weve been working on that and the next stage is thats been in place and put in place and its being perfected at this point. Those are things the commission has been doing. One thing i found going through the reconfirmation process, were not good at telling the board of supervisors what were doing and youre accountability to those in your district and we appreciate that more. Were doing a lot of this work. Speaker [inaudible]. Speaker youll hear in a few minutes that its work in a serious situation, so my only concern is, what happens if these matrixes arent met . Sometimes its hard to get the officers into training because of major events and its an election year, and the candidates will be here so that drains our resources. What happens if we cant meet these matrixes and what happens if the board of supervisors hold back the 100 million. I ask this question because this is the first time i had my mailbox full of people. Youve got peoples attention with this. A lot of people concerned about what happens. People are complaining about the crime rates in San Francisco. They dont see enough Police Officers. Theres people complaining will the auto burglaries and these are San Francisco ans that are complaining about not enough officers. Do we send the officers home if we dont have the 100 million, do we cut back. How do you make sure youre moving forward on progress . If the board will have to decide. I might not be on the board at the time. I dont expect this reserve is going to be before me. It will it might come in january after 6 months until the next fiscal year. It doesnt make sense to start the trickle of releasing funds. I dont think the fund should be released at one moment. They should come in phases. We shouldnt expect the department to commit to a whole amount of reform at once because if thats the case, they should do it now and we know thats not as easy to implement at once. Thats up to the department to decide if theyre going to act in a way that the board would really wonder whether it should release the funds. If thats the case, were in a serious situation in San Francisco and were in that serious situation. Do we want to prolong. Thats my concern. Say the end of the fiscal year is march and were telling parch station, theyre going to have two marked stations covering the the people dont want to hear that. I think its better to think about how to make sure that doesnt happen rather than if it happens. The commission is moving as fast as we can especially in the leadership of president loftus. Speaker the Police Department will not have funds. And then the public wont have the protection. Thats my concern, and this is the most reaction ive gotten from the community, emails about your proposal. Thats good. The reality is were moving quickly. We have a reform in place and were going to make it better. Im going to turn it over to the deputy chief to explain what just happened with the reforms if he wants to do that. Speaker be mindful of the supervisors time. It is useful to hear from the department. Im not speaker i might be able to stay longer. Speaker i appreciate. Speaker i wasnt this wasnt the most convenient time for me, but i did want to come and i was hoping there could have been a conversation with the chief but he was out of town and we didnt get communication going. Even though i made an effort the last Commission Meeting to reach out to say lets schedule something and we havent scheduled anything. Speaker got it. I think its very important that youre here. At the very most, i can stay ten minutes and i have a flight and i have to [inaudible]. Speaker we appreciate it. Doctor marshal. Speaker supervisor, i certainly dont want to hold you. These are my thoughts. A lot of great ideas in here, and like some of the commissioners have said and commissioner ms. , mazzucco, were working on these things. We had the reform policy. I guess my biggest concern is that we took probably three, four, maybe six months to pass that use of force policy. It was very extensive. We involved everybody, everybody. I cant think of someone who wasnt involved from a group. Inconvenienced a lot of folks and got consensus from everybody and we passed that policy. I like that process because we took time and went around the country and did a bunch of things. And a lot of these things on here, i think we have to take time to do that. I like that. And the one thing i dont and probably because of what came out of that is and i like this policy, is i wouldnt want to hamstring the department and holdup their budget can i finish. I wont want to holdup, especially if its 95 of the salary. I wouldnt want to do that. Speaker the supervisor doesnt want to do that either. Speaker thats my opinion. Speaker based on what we crafted and the way weve done things and were working on these things and so thats just my opinion. Thank you, dr. Marshal. Deputy chief sinus, do you want to respond and where the department is with this proposal and it sounds like the need to get back to the supervisor to work out the details. Speaker good evening, commissioner, deputy sinus on behalf of chief chaplin. I have communicated with supervisor avalos and i have spoken with chief chaplin and were attempting to set a meeting to meet with supervisor avalos to talk about his proposal. As the commission is aware, we have been working on these issues that supervisor avalos has raised and we have providing the commission hasnt been holding the department accountability. Some of the things that the commission has worked on such as the use of force policy, you recognize it takes a long time. Its a drawn out process and you want Community Input which i think is important. You want to get input from across the city. And that takes time to be able to hear from everybody. If you get these matrixes in place, that requires us to report quarterly when it takes time to get this, to get the input, youre talking supervise avalos is talking about 18 pefrs 18 percent of the budget and 5 is non included in the budget which is rent. Youre running into salaries and as the supervisor said, they dont meet the salaries and we dont meet the matrix, processes are held up for whatever reason, i hate to use this word, but were talking about potential furloughs and if the money isnt released, where do we go from there . Thats supervisor or to commissioner mazzucco point, is it a valid concern. I dont know. Maybe the supervisor has an exit plan in that proposal or something. I dont know. I dont know where we go in the funs arent released. Speaker i dont know if this has happened, has the board put an amount of money from the Police Budget on reserve. Not to my memory. Nothing never this large either. Speaker i think we did. The budget put on reserves theyre used for the cameras and training. Speaker that was last year for body cameras to come back. Speaker i think we did it again this fiscal year. We do reserves all the time. The Police Department does not receive a reserve, this is a sizeable amount. 80 of the Police Department budget, this says up to 100 million. So 100 million is a sizeable amount. 50 million is a sizeable amount. That would have the Police Departments attention. We want to have the Police Departments attention. We want to know the Police Department is being scrutinized about its effort to actually implement reform. That is essential. I have been part of watching a chief, not the current chief, the last chief talk about were making progress, and i dont see that progress being made. So i want to make sure that we actually have things that are in place, that are showing that theres actually key matrixes that are being implemented and we want to work with the department to make sure thats happening and work with the Police Commission to make sure thats happening. Were not interested in penalizing the department and were not interested in making the department fail. We want to make sure the department is moving forward and we want to make sure we have a measure of accountability to make sure that happens so were in it together. Speaker thank you supervisor. When i first looked at this, the feetd back i gave to you, these are areas we agree are a huge priority. For me the question comes down to what are the matrixes and are they obtainable. I dont think you want to do this either is set the department up so theres measurements that theyre unable to achieve or when they dont achieve them. Speaker thats why ive reached out to the department and were trying to play i want to have a conversation and make sure that happens, and weve actually sent now an email setting back all the dates that we set we could meet at that the Department Gave us and now were waiting for a response. We can move forward on that. We can actually square up on what the matrixes are and then we can go in it to go. A couple of areas speaker im sorry, i have to go. Speaker thank you for taking the time to be here. Speaker i apologize. Im seriously need to run. Thank you. Safe travel. Speaker bye, bye. We can continue our discussion. [applause] other questions for commissioner melara. Speaker i wanted to add a couple of things because im thinking and so i look at this matrix and some of these, i think will require money to implement. When if someone in the board of supervisors meets with the department including with the Mayors Office, we need to make it clear that 100 million is only going to strap the department if we dont meet the matrixes as outlined. But if any of these will require additional funds. So i think that we need to put that on the table because it would require especially in the cit area. Im not against for us to work on any of these policies, but i do think that we need to really be very careful on the matrixes because were trying to change a culture not necessarily strap the department. Speaker dr. Marshal. Speaker that can take longer. Speaker thats what i thought your question your first question was the best. Was there a study on the impact of this on the department . When you said that, that was the first thought i had and your point of maybe it will cost more to do these things on here makes sense because it hasnt been done. So i like your first point. I like that point also. Speaker commissioner de jesus. Speaker so im looking at this and what i think the supervisor is saying in terms of getting your money, we have to show were moving forward. Theyre willing to work with you. I have to say the Early Intervention system unfortunately because of the use of force, i havent been able to put it on. That needs to be reformed. Thats not ready to go. Thats something we need to work on. I would imagine for the crisis intervention, the use of force, that was included in the budget when we were putting the budget forward because we knew we were going to need training for the use of force and weve agreed that we were going to train more crisis intervention officers and team them up. I assume that money was apart of the progress going next year. It has been on our agenda for nine months. I think putting the carrot in front of you to get the rest of the money is one way to get it done and theres different ways to hold people accountability and thats something they put forward and its something we need to work with on them. Deputy chief. I want to respond to commissioner de jesus. The amount that supervisor avalos goes beyond that amount into salary. So we dont need those matrix. That money wont be available for that training, for those reforms. Speaker i understand that. So my suggestion, colleagues, i appreciate the supervisor came here and presented the idea, saw our feedback. It sounds like the department is going to have a meter. Whether this gets passed or not, it seems i would welcome a volunteer from this commission to work with deputy chief sinus and chief chaplin to look at what matrix would be reasonable because if this passes and we have to make the case, the department should get the reserved released. We want to say that if we did have concerns about the matrix on the front end, that is the time that raise them because when you have concerns at the time where theyre not met, its not as credible to say we agreed to this at this time but we couldnt do this. I think the commission would have a role in that. So the thing that im concerned about is the time is very short. And i also think that its not the same to say i want to set up matrix so we can evaluate you, but say its going to be purposely vague and subject to a political process, and that to me feels like its not sending a message one way or the other. I dont think thats the intent, but if we take it as the intent is to insure were moving forward, i would invite someone from this commission to spend who has time over the next week to work with the department and address concerns on the front end if this does pass. So that we can reflect on the back end. Im willing to do that. I have some time in the next two weeks. But another Something Else that came up that came to mind when you were saying that is we need someone at the board of supervisors level who is not timing out to agree that how those measures are going to be seen and measured because the reality is next year, theyll be a new body and they will understand it very differently and my feeling is that at this point, supervisor avalos is doing this and hes on his way out, and to me thats a little irresponsible because if there was someone else hold on. Speaker okay, guys. I think about this everybody gets to express their viewpoints and if theyre different, be respectful. Go ahead. I have out of ordered them. Youre out of order. Youre out of order. If you want to participate, you have to follow the rules we started with. Thank you. Speaker we will see who, of the board level will approve or disapprove this, or we can work with because i want to have the memory in place from when this if it passes, when it passes, by whom, because i want to ensure that we all understand the same thing. Because these i believe the supervisor wants qualitative change in the department and putting quantitative measures in place does not meet the former. So im just its not within our control. But we can certainly reflect on our perspective on challenges and try to add clarity. Thank you for that volunteer, i would ask you to work with deputy sinus to make sure whatever meetings get set up. Commissioner marshal. Speaker just to echo what you said. These matrixes, its coming from the board. Its not ming from us. These matrixes arent being decided by the commission and the department. Theyre being proposed to your point about speaking if it passes, and speaking up about the matrixes right now is very well taken. Because you know, then it would be incumbent upon the department and upon us that we didnt say anything about them if it passes. Point well taken. Speaker its not as if this one person can reflect everything of the 7 commissioners. We have our independent voice. If we can have someone representing us. I was going to volunteer, but i cant do it this week. I can do it next week. Im going to be in stockton most of this week. I have been listening to the chief and ive been watching the pod cast. He believes he can meet this police reform. I havent heard him say he cant meet it because its important they be retrained immediately since its a new policy and something theyre going to be held accountable for. And then the Early Intervention system is something im interested in. I dont think its set up to meet matrixes. Its something that has to be discussed. That may need more time, but its something that has to be reformed as well and the cit is something you have been talking about and im sure the chief already has an idea of what he needs or how many months he needs to meet this. Before we start saying were going to lose this money, i think we should talk about what we can meet and meet with the supervisor. If its next week, i can participate. Speaker commissioner mazzucco. Speaker i applaud commissioner avalos over his concerns but he didnt answer the question. What happens if the money is held back. What communities are going to be effected. Ive never had so many impact from san franciscans who live and work here. Do not interrupt me. Those who live and work in this city are complaining about where these three youre out of order, sir. Youll have your minute when we get to public common. Speaker i had to be the reasonable man in the room, if we dont have the money, where are we going to pull the officers for. I can see the carrot and the stick, but im talking about reality. We have a city thats understaff and the crime rate is out of control and theres a lack of confidence in the justice system. We cant say were going to pull officers off the street because 95 of the budget are officers. Thats not fair to those areas that are impacted and its irresponsible. Speaker i understand, ive been getting a lot of emails. We need to do one step at a time. One foot if front of the other. We talked about meeting with the chief and hopefully some of us, meeting with the supervisor and talk about what matrixes are achievable, what can be done and in terms of putting encouraging fear that were not going have any police is not the way we should go. We need to be positive on this and we need to see what we can meet and how we can meet it and what happens if we dont meet it. Well tell people were not going to have police, i think its irresponsible and we need to move forward. Were going to get to Public Comment, but weve been joined by chief chaplin. Chief chaplin, anything you want to share with the commission . Speaker just real fast, im sorry late. I came from a scene where a gentleman in mental state to his own head. And i had to probably a quarter of the Police Officers speaking to staffing to shut down the street. The question was why did this take to long so resolve and i said no hes not dead because of all the reforms weve implemented. Now, thank you. Thats for the folks out there because they had information and this is similar to the things that happened in louisiana. They had information he had a gun. They quickly created a pocket. They pushed the public back and they created a situation where this gentleman could walk away with his life. That worked. The reality is, it is about time and the reality is you can only do that with enough bodies out on the streets working to make sure that you shut down muni. This is Market Street and there were a tremendous people finishing their work streets and i cant go to the supervisor and beg for money when this comes up. Life is huge. I would agree with supervisor avalos, if we werent embracing these reforms and were pushing forward and he said that his number was grossly inflated. That he wants to scale it way, way back. I dont know what that means for him. But the department is pushing forward with the reforms and changes and one of the things we do not need to do is not hamstring by extra level of bureaucracy to ask for money directly related to the reforms. It doesnt make sense. Were not Holding Money because homeless problems arent being solved. People are working towards this. And were working towards this. Ill say this, the training that were pushing out and reforms are pushing out, today is a good example of how that those things are working. It took a lot of manpower and folks for four hours to resolve this issue. The things were doing, theyre working and we need to stop what weve been doing. Speaker congratulations, chief. Speaker thank you, chief. That is certainly good news that that resolved with everybody going home safely. And so thank you for the update and thank you for your perspective. The supervisor ask about a meeting being scheduled about the matrix. Commissioner melara is available this week. Theres a time the board is going to make decisions within the next week. We would like to have commissioner melara attend whatever meeting you do and have a real opportunity to raise some flags or concerns we have about some of these matrixes because the last thing we want to do is set the department up with an expectation you can do some things and we want to raise concerns before anything could get passed. Speaker absolutely. I scheduled that meeting with avalos because he had no idea that the public and that other folks have put so much work into the use of force policy. He thought it was stagnant and thought there was no work being done on it. He admittedly didnt know a lot of the work that had been going into these new policy and some of the things he had on the list were already done. Some are almost completed and some already done. He didnt know that. His credit, he admitted as much. Thats when i reached out to him during the budget process and says we have to sit down and talk and he agreed to do that. I welcome you being there because a lot of things youre asking for are already done or in the process. Part is communication back and forth. Theres a joint police the board has so many responsibilities across the board, maybe part of the disconnect is were not sharing information about the reforms and updates so thats something you guys can talk about and let us know. Speaker colleagues, anything before we have been comment on this matter . Commissioner de jesus, if it goes into next week, she would like to participate. Please let commissioner de jesus know if this goes. Public comelement. This is Public Comment on this particular item. Good evening, mr. Rogers. Welcome. I sit and listen to everything that went on about this particular situation. One of the things that bothers me as a homeowner and a citizen of this city and have lived here all my life, one of the things that truly bothers me is right now i see way too many Police Officers in my district. And i see them out of control. So for me, for you to ask me if its okay for those Police Officers funds to be held back, i say absolutely. Possibly. Hold it all back. And the reason i say that because i want to stop anything you may be doing that may make change in this city, thats not why im here. The reason im here is in the past, it has been so many times that others like you have said were making change and we see nothing. So in order for that to happen, some where along the lines, some where in this process there must be checks and balances and the way that we get checks and and balances is when we pull on the purse streets. Pause its on the purse streets that people are reacting and its when you sit and you say to yourself, wait a moment. Ive got only 50 million left and i need 100. Are you going to say okay, lets make sure everything is in place so i can get that 50. Thats whats important. Is making sure everything is in place at the time in which the money is given. We dont care if you get the money. Im 70yearold. I want Police Officer on the street because theyre going to protect me. If it comes down to the difference of having Police Officers on the street, verses safety thank you, sir. Thank you, mr. Roger. Next speaker. Come on up. Good evening, and welcome, sir. Ill gill. Maybe if we have to withhold funds, we can do it from a top down situation where the chief the assistant chief, the captains, the mayor, and the other part of that would be, whats the percentage of administrative personnel if the department that are not on the street, maybe we would withhold funds from them too. If we can get the people in the department that are not on the street to feel the burn, maybe we can make it go better. Now, we touched about the idea that if theres neighbors that dont have enough police and the auto burglaries, we can hire 400 new police men and put one on each block. We still wont be able to cover all the blocks. Theres a possibility that theres a lot Security Home security cameras on street thats private. If the communities can hook them up together. If they can get a feed into the Police Department, if they can be made public, those neighbors can be able to track where these hoodlums in their cars or on their bikes or whatever are going after a crime are held. I believe thats going to be the biggest key and thats not going to cost a lot of man money. Thats going to cost people water reform is 40 of the Police Activity is mental. And involvement. And the city this is just the beginning. City has no place to put these people. That needs to be taken care of. Thats apart of this equation. That the supervisors and the mayor need. We need to safeguard these people too. Thank you. Thank you, mr. Gilbert. Next speaker. Speaker good afternoon, commissioner. David. San franciscan for accountability. One the commissions made a statement that the commission makes policy and nobody else does and the supervisor shouldnt be making it. The poa has a gigantic feet in the policy arena. That needs to change very rapidly. So its not true that only the commission makes policy. Im hearing a lot of basically the sky is falling argument with regard to the avalos reserve proposal. 100 million on a quarterly basis is 25 million per quarter and so it would take a while for that 25 million even, if it was withheld to catch up to the point where it made any significant difference. I think its frankly not a good idea to use incidents that happen on the street or that happened today as a wedge to be pushing the idea that there should be absolutely no sticks with regard to a transformation reform of the sspd. The San Francisco Police Department had no sticks. Theres been carrots and the department is the largest in the bay area on a per capital basis as im sure youre aware. San jose has a higher crime rate and have a smaller Police Department. We have the highest paid police chief in the nation. So all these things should go into into the hopper when kwhur when youre talking about going into some sticks. We need a reserve to create a financial and for you to move more quickly towards transformational reform. Thank you. [applause] ill try to be quick. Let me pay my respects to captain hart who is trying to get to the souls of the Police Department through his training exercise. As worth xhepding matrix is not about attitude and earnestness and i heard that term being used. Did it happen . How often did it happen . How much did it happen . And is quantity of change. Im sure most of you are familiar with federal contract compliance programs. And how the federal Government Funds great institutions like the california state of San Francisco. They threatened the be may behavior of institution. They threaten if you dont comply you promise on an annual basis, review, monthly, quarterly, semiannually and incorporate into your next years agenda for changing be e behavior. I dont care how much racist you have on the Police Department. I care about their behavior. Do they kill anybody. Thank you for preparing you come from oklahoma. You know what racism is about. I would suggest you look at matrixes as data that informs progress, that youre making. And try to move in that direction. I think thats ill hold the rest until another meeting. If you dont measure, you dont manage. Look at the speedometer. Next speaker, good evening, mr. Miller. Speaker good evening, commission. I guess ill begin these comments by saying that the [inaudible] foundation we endorse supervisor avaloss proposal. We think it has been soft evened too much. It should go back to the 200 million. Secondly in response to the acting chief, congratulations. Its in fact you and your department conducted operations in a sane and compassionate way today and saved the life. Thats beautiful. Thats what you should be doing. That does not atone or account for years of carnage and thats what were talking about. And then address specifically i do not know what the level is of newer commissioners, but joe marshal, de jesus and director hicks, know full well in the last four years, the Department Budget has been augmented to the tune of 100 million. It was working perfectly fine in 2012 with 100 million and all that has happened since is 23 dead bodies. This idea that i feel like there is an attempt to lie to the public here. This idea that we dont know if the department can afford 100 million. Four years ago, it could. So it can now. There is no Critical Infrastructure that would be hit by putting a hold on 100 million. I agree with supervisor avalos as well as several of the speakers that have commented on this. A stick is necessary. A financial incentive is one of the most known true effective measures or effective sticks as you will if you want to follow the metaphor and you know what, the formally ill comment on joe marshals ludicrous assertion of the grand consensus that resulted in the resolution two weeks ago, the muni force policy. That was a queue before the Police Association and challenged by any means necessary. [applause] good evening, welcome. Yeah, hi. I just wanted to let you know that i dont travel here an hour and a half on bart and by bus to disrupt your meeting by asking what an acronym means. Im trying to educate myself and ive asked before if its possible that you could ask speakers to say what theyre talking about instead of using ftp or omg and things like that and to be threatened with being thrown out while everyone else was screaming, nobody else was told that they were going to be removed so for asking what an acronym means, yeah. Anyway, so as far as this im wondering where the interests of this money thats going to possibly be withheld from the Police Department is going to go to, and i say that interest should go to the stellarly foundation because the police rpt going to do their reforms so because they never do. And you know, that means the chief is going to have more work. Her phone is going to ring. As far as what happened, you mentioned on the streets, i was on the street and i heard something totally different from at least nine people who were on the streets because i dont hang on the streets anymore, but i know the streets. Used to be my area, the tenderloin and they saw Something Different from what youre saying. So again, theres a conflict. I hope that maybe all these nine people were so high and but they dont look high to me. I know what high looks like and these people said something totally different. He was shot with bean bags off his bicycle. He didnt have a shirt on and he had no gun and he was petrified. Thank you. And i will you have raised before when people use acronyms. If you can be mindful. I appreciate that reminder. I do have to, the rules are i let everybody know and i have to do that equally to everyone. Okay. Any further Public Comment on this matter. Hearing none, Public Comment is closed. Sergeant police call the next lined item. Speaker item reports to the commission discussion. One 1, chief reports. This item is to allow the chief of police to report on recent Police Activity and make announce manies. Summary of pride week and crime trends update redistricting and presentation regarding recruitment. Acting chief chaplin, good evening. Speaker can you give me a quick moment here. Okay. Ill start with the summary of pride week. We had 1. 2 attendee. What happened in florida it was an additional 20 minutes. The attendance was 500,000. There were 234 contend ants and marching was 2 hundred with an additional 100,000 estimated spectators. The staff for the event, public intoxication, 22 arrests. Sobers sent referral were 45. Medical calls, 20. That was a rock med reports. The crime reports of thefts and assaults were 15. Assaults and warrants were 8. Gun possession and hate crimes assaults and vandalism were 4. And 1 gun recovered in the castro. Now for the crime that concludes the pride update. The case update, there was a shooting on 7416 at 1300 block of eddie street. No arrests were made. One victim shot there. There was one homicide during the reporting period. Im sorry, two homicides during the reporting period. The first one occurred on 71 of 16 on 300 block of tenderloin and thats being investigated and this was a 23yearold shooting victim transport and pronounced dead at the hospital. The second at 24th in admission and again, being investigated by our homicide division. And that occurred also on the 71 of 16 at 2345 [inaudible] at 11 45 p. M. The officers arrived on location and found two shooting victims. One was a 27yearold male who sustained a gunshot wound to the head. That victim was transported to pronounced decease at the hospital. The second victim is an 18yearold who suffered gunshot wound to the leg with a fracture to his femur. Speaker hold was the victim. The second victim. 27. Area to date, i know you asked this last time, so ill update you. Were up to 28 homicides this time last year, we were at 25. 2014, we were at 15. Were trending higher for homicides for the year so far. So were praying for a slow down at some point. Were trending higher as most of the agencies in the bay area. And that is it for the updates. Speaker okay. Any questions for the chief on crime trends . Were there arrests no arrests in both homicides that happened over the in the last week . No, but in the second week, our task force is assisting homicide with that investigation. Speaker okay. Any questions for the chief on crime trends, colleagues . I will say on pride week, i know there was some concerns about a more visible Police Presence as being something that might distract one piece of feedback i got from folks was the officers, i think, who were present, the feedback i got was there were whats the word, the word they said was there were being cool and not being creating a presence that would impact the spirit, but playing that guardian role we talked about, chief. I want to pass that along, the feedback i got was there was a concern about that and if the officers who were there and experienced numbers was they felt like the officers created a space where those could celebrate pride. I wanted to pass that along. Anything, colleagues on this two items. Commissioner de jesus. I went to pride and i left because the line was too long. I want to say that. There was Something Else i was going to so when i was in the community, some of them mentioned we no longer publicize the staff what do you call those, statistical information. We no longer hold public sized is that true . No, we do not. Speaker i was approached saying we no longer do comstat and make it available. Speaker all the comstat information is available on our website. Its held at the Public Safety building. Sometimes because of because of environmental issues, outside of our control, we may move it to different dates, but its updated on our website and its published for the public to view on our website. We have it and we continue to have it and were going to continue to have it. Its open to the public. Sometimes the press attends, but comstat is still ongoing. Is it done daily or weekly . No, its done monthly. All right. Maybe we should get more notice out when you do do have you people present it or people can listen to it or its on the website . Speaker people come in because the captain present whats going on the in district. Theres a huge presentation going on about crimes in that district and the captain sits there and the deputy chief of Field Operation is in charge of the Patrol Bureau and the restrictive commanders in charge of the golden gate. The presentations roll around. If you have your particular district, you can go to our website to find out when your district is reported. Its open to the public and its on the first floor before you go to the metal detectors so you can sit and listen to the presentation. Okay. Go ahead. I know you have a couple of other items you want to present. Speaker i do and i dont have my notes. Updating regarding presentation and recruitment. Presentation regarding recruitment and i have lieutenant Troy Dangerfield to present on that. Good evening, and welcome lieutenant. Speaker good evening, president loftus. Chief, and commissioners. Our slogan is ordinary people doing the extraordinary. Our goal is women of all races and African American males, black males and hispanic males. We have attended events since 2016. Since october we have recruited 6,000 people 6 ,216 have moved into taking the tests. Have done the profiles for dhr, that means thats starting the process for applying for the job. So has good. The total number is 16,000 since they started the National Testing so that shows we did 6,000 so just this reporting period. Thats all the way through may 31 that theyve calculated those numbers from dhr. Tracking is the hardest thing for us because once people start the process, we have to move away. We can only attract the people that come back to us and tell us where they are in the process and were tracking 836 people in the process or are in the Police Academy currently. Speaker let me stop you. Why do you have to back away from the process if its a recruitment process, why would it require somebody knowing to call you . Because theyve signed up with dhr who is the theyre in the process. Once theyre in the process of the Police Department, we move away. We dont follow them in the academy, but they can continue to tell us, hey, i just finished the background process. I just took the pap, they can tell us stuff like that. Were not to is so were not so solicit them. The feedback we got is people would get dropped out of the process or Community Safety apart of their conversation was i got dropped out. I didnt know what to do. So i think thats an important component is letting applicants know if they do get dropped out they can followup with you to get information. When people drop out, we bring them back and work on what they did. Is it time or distance we try to work with them based on what the back ground, if it was a back ground issue or if they failed the test. We tell them their timelines to get back into the process. Theres a note theres a n notification. They have to contact us if they want information. Its like hands off once they get into testing. We do coaching and training up until, oral boards pap, the physical agility test. I understand that so people arent be coached through the Police Academy. Speaker the challenge for communities particularly, like if you dont have a Police Officer in your family, the issue is apart of recruitment is identifying people we want and make sure theyre supported. Thats a good flag to look into how we can support applicants through the process, legally, certainly. But in recognition to some degree if you do have somebody in your family or youre more familiar with the process, you have an average and if you dont, which is a lot of what were trying to do is have other people see themselves in the department so thats a good thing for us to followup on. We give different programs for them to take the oral, how to take it, things like that. Were doing that, but were not singling out a specific person. We tell them what it is and they come. We dont ask them where you are in the process. If they said im going to take a test next week. If you come in to one of our sessions we help you. But we cant be going down the list and saying, joe, come here and we just let them kind of self define. We make it available to everyone. Speaker maybe thats something for us to continue to look at and support you and make sure the key folks were continue, thank you. Speaker were trying to do innovative things in our signage. Weve worked down San Francisco county and buses and signs and street signs. You have some of the artwork we have done. Costa county because we were told by dhr where the people were we were trying to reach, richmond, velejo. The buses dont always take the signage down, so we get them for a longer period of time for the amount of money were spending on that. Also those are the Bus Companies watching tonight. Then were using the latino television, univision and using our own crons website. They can track how many people, what they call clicked. For one advertisement, we had 144,000 people review it. Of the 144,000, 55 clicked on and asked for more information about the Police Department. We consider those a win for us because you have to get the people to go there. Weve used pandora. Thats a radio app. Get out. Speaker youll hear us with a little 30second commercial. Rapping. Speaker no, were not rapping. A 30second commission about us hiring and where to apply. Speaker thats great. Were doing the military. Thats a target for us. We sent people to texas for a week because theres a large segment. Military thats exiting out of it and they need jobs. And were trying our best to make sure that we can get some of these quality, americans to work for us as well from all over the country. Speaker guys, everybody, lets respect every speaker. Everybody will have a chance in Public Comment. Thank you, sir. One of our newest campaigns that started is a good thing. Everyone has been to the dmv and know how long you have to wait. We have advertisements at the dmv that flashes on their television while waiting at the dmv and where to apply for the San Francisco Police Department. We also in black college magazine. Because were going to start a whole campaign where were going to go out to the black colleges in the south starting in august and september and theyre going to spend some time out there. We have one civilian coach rush who is previewing the main team. Heeds going out and getting with the athletic directors because our goal is not just to go to the criminal justice department, but go to the departments where people are trying to they decide they want to be a nurse and at the last second theyre going to graduate as a nurse, and they dont want do nursing. We try to grab those who want to change their career. Hes going to go out there. We have people going to different places following him around as he goes to that so well have a wrap around recruitment at the same place. And then theres another campaign that goes through 168 colleges. Well put our posters up at 168 colleges around the country. Then we have radio ads thats going on. One of the good things we had was a Community Recruitment work shop done by ray bob it. That was something new for us because weve never done it. He was hands off, you just come in and tell us what the rules are, what the goal is, and let us do it. Out of people that came was about maybe 50 people. 16 of those people signed up already. Wow. Speaker that was very successful because we go some places and we dont get 16 and we see hundreds. That was very successful. If i may just to comment on that, that was very special because that was Community Recruitment. Community. That was not the departments recruitment, but Community Recruitment for folks to be in the department which i thought was a very effective strategy. In the work shop, he brought in things that could be corrective for the candidates and that would be like, if they had drivers license issues, the dmv to correct it. They had someone that was there to help repair credit and that was very instrumental to what people think. Theres a myth if you got bad credit, youre not going to get hired in the Police Department. Thats a myth. You just have to be able to explain properly what these issues are and youre on the road to correction and whatever it may be. Lieutenant, dangerfield, the last academy Police Department was the most diversity in. History. It seems these efforts have been going on for some time. It seems as though youve doubled the efforts and increased them or is this the pace youve been on for some time. Weve been on this pace, but its now starting to show it by the classes. You can tell how diverse the classes are now. I mean, it just shows and were trying to get more women, were trying to get more people of color into the department and thats what were specifically targeting with all our campaigns. And the thing we just got yesterday, city college is doing a new billboard, and they wanted someone to help sponsor an advertise the cost of sponsoring the billboard is less than our recruitment efforts so well have a place on the city college new billboard that will say were hiring and it will stay up for approximately ten years so we figured out the cost and its very cheap. We will be on the city college new score board that theyre building. Wow. It will be there for ten years or longer at least. Speaker okay. Thats where we are if you have questions. Speaker my colleagues have a number of questions. Commissioner mazzucco. Thank you. One of the things i heard from several people, i have been encouraging to apply is that they dont get any notification as to where theyre at in the process. They fall into this limbo area. Do you send out letters saying your background check showed a drivers record or drug usage. Do they get notified of what there deficiency is and theyre told when they can apply. That part of the back ground and im not with back ground so i cant say as to what letters theyre getting. There was some terminology in the automatic responses they were getting from dhr that was not clear to them, and we have written rewritten a third to make it clear and let people know when they get those emails theyre coming from the Police Department. Sometimes they look like someone spammed them a thing. We made it clear its coming from the Police Department. We cut on the the legalese and made it simple for them to understand. They get letters from backgrounds but i dont know what theyre sending out. They do get the letters. If its an issue, if its a time issue, theyre given a date to reapply. If its a thing that would keep them out for three years, theyll get a date and when theyre encouraged to reapply. Theyre given a date to reapply. They get the letters and get notice that theyre being dropped and they tell them why. You said you were hiring women and African American hes reporting that the greatest deficiency in the department was asianamerican women. I was wondering, how do you set the goals . We mean women of all races. What is it based upon . Speaker the citys demographics and based on whats in the department. The chief always wants more. That was clear. Its specific deficiency, was it filled through the last hiring class or is it no longer the goal . Speaker its still the goal from my understanding. I dont think its filled yet. Its ongoing. Especially with the women, its not filled. My same question, is there a thought to giving priority to local hire like San Francisco residents. My concern is you hire a filipino applicant from costa, theyre not going to know currently we do not. Is that thinking its better to hire somebody that matches ethnicity because when you hire outside the city, theyre not going to know the neighborhoods the same way. We get data from dhr as to where the candidates are. Theres people in San Francisco, but theres less because a lot of people cant afford to live here. They say in the close bay areas, theyre talking richmond, down the peninsula, theres other people that they may work here currently, so but they had to move out of the city for economics. They send us down into these directions just to get the demographics we need. Whats interesting about that, a lot of folks move out of the city but they might have grown up here. So the question is, if there is we all recognize every person i talk to from kids who are saying i hate the police, i dont trust the police to those in the marina that says i love the police, i trust the police. If you grew up in the city, you have some experience in your childhood here. Its like a parent. Its a character in your life that helps you be a better Police Officer. So i wonder, chief, if you want to address that about you dont have to be a current resident, but if you grew up here, is there a way to factor that into determining how successful you would be at being an officer. I dont know if theres a way to determine how successful youll be. Weve opened up. The demographic of San Francisco is shrinking and its tough to recruit those. African American Population is shrinking so you cannot you cant localize your recruiting in ironing and thats why weve expanded way out. Reality is we sent a class and Police Academy thats half because were not settling for anyone in the seats. We want to make sure that people are qualified and they can do the job. If i have to cut the class in half, im going to do that. Thats why lieutenant dangerfield, going out, were looking for folks that has the right attitude and right mental. I love to give San Francisco san franciscans, but i want people to serve the people and do their job right no matter where they come from. Its desirable, but not required. Speaker the recruit is trained to ask this question when theyre recruiting. Lets say they want to be a Police Officer, why do you want to be a Police Officer here and if they said they signed up to 10 other places and theyre asking we ask what are you doing right now and what would make you a good fit for San Francisco. They have to answer those questions. They can sign up anytime they want, but they answer the questions and we try to tell them San Francisco is a unique place and it really helps to know the culture of San Francisco. And in you want to be cultures. Cultures of San Francisco and if you want to be a Police Officer here, you have to learn that if youre not from here. Give them the understanding this is just not a running to be a Police Department. Were ordinary see how you got the tag line in there. Go ahead. I dont know if weve changed the thinking around recruitment and run it by the bureau of professional standards. If were looking for a different type of officer where not the Football Team or the military. Im thinking if we adopted that so were bringing in new people who might be more a tuned to the new training that were trying to put in place. Speaker the philosophy we have, were looking for people who can think and who can talk. We want people to make good decisions period. Good decisions. So thats the philosophy. I dont want to say an exFootball Player wont make a good Police Officer we have to look we want people from varied backgrounds. Speaker sounds like youre targeting specifically. Exmilitary. Speaker i did not say criminal justice. Speaker we want people who want to change their career like those who were in nursing and dont want to be a nurse. We want to give them an opportunity. Speaker policing is a job you can be a teacher, be a Football Player and do all those things at once. Were looking at people with various back grounds. A great Police Department is those with great vast departments. Speaker it looks like captain hart wants to Say Something. The cops office in their collaborative review are looking at force, accountability, bias, Community Policing and recruitment and promotion. Recruitment is going to be apart of the recommendations. So theyve asked a bunch of questions from the department and were getting their first report in the middle of august. As dangerfield is continuing his work, were getting input from the department of justice and the cops office. Speaker thank you. Commissioner melara were not unique as a department in recruiting exmilitary personnel and im the last to say not everyone has the same experience in military. Some people have desk jobs and other types of jobs and others unfortunately and my compaction goes to them, do have experience extreme damage because of war. And im wondering if theres anybody anything within the department, in the recruitment process where you can ensure that people can sustain violence in a way that it is that they can see violence and not react in the same way that someone in a battle would which could lead to other behavior, so is there anything within the department right now that tests the psychology of those who have been in the military under difficult circumstances in battle. I know i havent worked in Staff Services and did the hiring. That comes in the psychological review which is apart of the background process before theyre hired. And they take all those things into consideration. And they can test and meet with them one on one to determine whether or not theyre fit to do this job. Were not in the area of being able to stop someone from signing up. But what we found with the military people is that it a lot of people when they go in the military, they have to go back. To the south and how do they get back . Because they do have a job. They want to get out of the military, but they have nothing. If they can get a job back to our area, they can get back. Were targeting those military people who want to come to california and be successful as an officer. Speaker Commission Er de jesus. Thank you for to be this. I heard you want to concentrate on people of color and women. What are you doing for the latino community. Do you have any focus for latinos like colleges. We have specific workshops and things we go to. I have a list of them. Its hundreds of them. I would happy to give them to you. We do go to all the different events, all the when they had what was the one we just had. We go to colleges like san jose state and different communities in the mission. We have community, when they have their open sunday streets, well be out there. So we try as much to target them. Were using Spanish Television as well as an advertiser in radio. Were trying our best to get to all the communities. Theres a lot of things going on all the time and were doing the same thing all the time. Theres a womens boot camp. It doesnt sound like recruitment, but strength is an issue. Its about women officer running this boom camp and showing them to become physically fit passing the test without going to the test first. One issue with women is they dont like to do things around men because they feel intimidated when they do the test. We try to make them feel confident. Speaker i have a question. You mentioned cops looking at our recruitment job which im glad to hear. One of the things that i have seen over the years is after we get people out of the academy which is hard, but when we do the performance, we lose the people. We have a different using your head and common sense and time and distance and things like that and not taking control. Im wondering if we if cops are someone we should evaluate how we do our Performance Review for 3 or 6 months. I cant remember what it is. We lose officers. How are you going to work that in and train the performance officers and give them the credit where we want to give credit instead speaker were the recruitment when theyre in the academy. We cant do nothing. When theyre out, we can work with them there. We cant intervene there. Thats something i should talk to the chief about. I can answer the question. At that point we dont want to save them. Theyve demonstrated they cannot do this job. It may be an issue with force, an issue with non engaging with the community, and its easier to sever ties at that point than to wait until they have the job and then if we still have those same issues and theyre showing up on director hicks desk and we have to refer them here for termination, we have paid money down the road. Because every one of these is a check and a balance. And as they hit these points, this job is not for everybody and thats why these things are the way they are. Some people may be great academically and make it through the academy and they can jump that wall and run, but they cannot engage the community. If we realize that in this process, quite frankly, they have opportunity, they have three different phase koretz of fto where they work with three different officers. If they cant get i misunderstand my question. So were changing the philosophy, were changing the use of force and taking immediate control of the situation and were changing the time and distance and using Critical Thinking and common sense and things like that. Maybe i should rephrase that. Are we training the performance officers on the new philosophy so they can reevaluate their recruits with those tools than the old ways that weve been training our doing performance evaluations. Thats a better way. Absolutely. It goes back to what i said before. Under the new matrixes thats where were failing people. Once they get to those points, if they cant perform to those folks have worked hard to grab, weve got to cut ties with them. We are losing people because now were looking at it with a critical eye to make sure things that may have been overlooked in the past were not overlooking it just for the sake of putting warm bodies on the streets in these cars. Theres nothing different because you know, if you were talking about veteran officers, that would be an issue because were bringing something new. If theyre coming in and this is the only thing they know and they cant do it, then were cutting ties. Speaker the training with the new philosophy speaker arguably our officers are the ones who get anything before anybody. Theyre the people we put on the front lives to send to the program commissioner mazzucco. What percentage of the people that take the exam that make it to the academy. Its a selective process. Its helpful for the community to know how many people the percentage and i know its a low number. So, attendant passed 78 of the people that passed all the tests can get to the academy. I should say get to backgrounds. Thats all i know. Speaker okay. To backgrounds. Speaker theres a huge drop off there because of background process. Speaker 78 . So the other question i have is i know chief sir had this idea about time and distance for people with their back grounds that he found other spots for them through the department whether it was through a psa Police Service aid at the airport and we give these individuals time to work into the department for two or three years and they would go into the department and clear up what they need to clear up and they would be vetted because they spend two or three years in the department. Our law firm helps sponsor the highs Girls Basketball program and theres young women from that program who want to be officers who were trying to get into the cadette program. Theyre san franciscans and raised here. Will they get a preference. I didnt mention that. I apologize. We try to get our pl cadettes to go into our paid Cadet Program and our home grown people from here and they go into the paid Cadet Program for the College Students and psa, that may consider Law Enforcement and get a job to learn about Law Enforcement to see if they want to be an officer. I know five people from the paid cadet academy. That process is working. A lot of the ones that were pla cadet signed up to be paid Police Cadets and were working to get them in that process. One i was going to bring tonights, but he had to go to his other job. He just turned 21 and signed up for the Police Department last week. Thank you, dr. Marshal. I want to say one more time because this was unique and and different. I want to thank bob for doing it. But lets move forward with that in the future where its not the Police Recruiting for the department, but if we can get the community to recruit the department. That says a lot to have Community Members stand up in front i know what people bring to that. I know young people i talk to them all the time. Bring all of that to a community member, members of the community to help answer all their questions and take them through the pitfalls, all that stuff. Stuff on social media stuff for them to hear that i wasnt there, but the reports i had was powerful. Thats a great strategy we can move because you have Community Members recruiting. That said a lot to me that they wanted to do that. Thats a very promising strategy. We should do it as often as we can. It cost us nothing but a room. Thats correct. Thank you lieutenant. Anything further for lieutenant dangerfield . Thank you, lieutenant. Youre welcome. Thank you. Speaker colleagues, i will ask for your indulge znswer and ask sergeant killshaw to come back to the chief to finish your report, but we have under the our csi group. The kids are here and theyve been working since 9 00 a. M. And theyre supposed to be out i would like to accommodate the young folks coming up. Ill do a brief introduction. As youll recall last year in partnership with mow magic and hope ssf, the commission partnered to rethink the summer opportunities that we were providing for young people within the Police Department and its perfect, the timing because last summer a couple of focuses was how do we recruit with the tension being so tense with the public and the Police Department. How do you create plans for people to see themselves in Law Enforcement in particular young people. Jordan was with us last summer. And we got the recommendations and incredible videos and a number of those recommendations were implemented by the commission and the work continued. So the department and we have recruited some additional folks, many of whom who live in our lowest served communities that end up experiencing the most violence. We want to welcome them, introduce them receives selves and the work theyre going to do. Speaker im jordan wilson. I worked last summer for the Community Safety initiative and i felt like we made pretty good progress. This summer i came back and asked to do the same work. Im blessed to do this. This is harris, shes a leader. Theres probably about 20 of our interns sitting here in the first two rows. So i want to thank them for staying. Last summer, we worked my part worked on a documentary to bridge a gap between the Community Members and the Police Department. We actually made a lot of progress within my interns. I think when we started, only one said they were interested in Law Enforcement. And by the end of the summer, i think 13 out of the 15 said they were interested with a career within Law Enforcement. They ive touched upon and touched in with a lot of them throughout the school year and they said that the feedback from the Community Members that we spoke to when we see them on the streets, they say it was quite impressive. So im happy to report that. After this summer, were taking a different approach towards it. Michael is focusing more on the programs that the ssf provides to the youth. So that could be pal, operation genesis, the Wilderness Program and were doing a video documentary because we feel thats the best way to portray these programs and these issues. Hopefully through there well find a way for not only Police Officers, but the Community Members and particularly the youth to get a feel for each other and hopefully understand on a more personal lefbl both sides of where they come from. Thats the project were working on and ill let ash lynn talk about hers. My name is ash lynn harris and like was said earlier, theres tension between the community and Law Enforcement. So were planning on focusing on the use bias towards Law Enforcement. So with that, were going to be getting both perspectives on it, and just like jordan, were going to be making a video on that, and with doing that, were going to try to address those issues and figure out ways to diminish the bias towards you guys. Thats it. Great, and you two are coleaders which means youre in college and working with younger people who are in different stages. If you can explain the demographics of who is working with you. Were both in college. I went to washington high school. Im here from los angeles, so im currently going into my fourt year of san jose state. Speaker it was an initiative to get people of color, men and women within these lower income areas of San Francisco, so the main focus was double rocks, sunny dale, pa trail hill and whats the fourth . Hunters view. Thats particular but we branched out since its a collaboration. A lot of our students come from the fill more district. Hopefully thats where we find the biggest gaps between Police Officers and the community. The goal is to not have them join the force, but maybe educate them and hopefully not recruit, but be open to a career in Law Enforcement. Hopefully they can think about that later on so they can go back into their communities later on and patrol the areas they know and understand. Speaker theyll come back with their video presentation and the young people will present. And thats apart of the process of coming to city hall. Youre here tonight. Weve talked through this. One thing thats really important to this commission is theres a lot of folks making recommendations about changes. You can hear those from the board of supervisors, and were working with the people who live and young people who live in areas that are policed with high numbers that were hearing directly from you about whats working and whats not working. Please continue to bring your opinions and thoughts to this process because its going to make us better. Colleagues, any thoughts. Dr. Marshal. Speaker great program. You know, last summer im from la. It was a great program. And i want to tell the young people, take advantage of this. I was talking to a bunch of young people last night about opportunity. And opportunity and opportunities come, get involved. Take advantage of the growth. The young people asked last year grew from him and attitude changed. They came in one way and came out thinking another way. Let me say Something Else and i think particularly president loftus, it was this group, this group that i think was instrumental in moving things forward when we hear the impasse on a law jam, we were trying to reduce our use of force. We have been moving into a certain area and there was screaming and shouting which i didnt think was productive, but it was when we returned to you, the young people to run those groups at the various sites that we we actually made some real, real, real, real progress. Got some solid feedback and that moved the whole thing forward. That came from young people. So dont think you cant be apart of this and what you bring forward and its good for everybody. So take advantage of it. Its great. It really is great. I want to applaud you for doing it get. I wanted to say thank you for doing it. Thank you for coming back and im looking at all you. You take advantage of this because you never know. This could start your future and we welcome your ideas and thoughts and well use them. Other questions for our coleaders or interns . Special thanks to cheryl davis and the staff at mow magic for the partnership. We look forward to seeing you at future meetings and have having you back in august. Thanks, everyone. [applause] sergeant, calling us the next line item. Item 1 a, the are remaining item is updating regarding redistricting. Thank you chief. Speaker the redistricting didnt cause problems. The Police Department both departments did plan for worst case is a scenarios. It finished earlier than expected. The imagine management and letters of appreciation for that transition. Its dem experience any issues. The department of emergency management. There were no issues post cut over. There were no complaints from them about issues, the transition was seamless. There were some complaints from the public at southern station known as company b. Some confusion from community as it relates to the 6th and 9th street corridor. After the switch due to tenderloin station and taking over down to mission station. Both captains use outreach to educate the community on those issues about the boundary lines lie and who to report to. And company c known as bay view station, Community Group had an issue with the line at 18th street and not 17th street. And the reason was to keep ucsf in one district and not split it. Obviously theres no way to get around that. Theres are the only issues raised with the redistricting. It has gone smoothly. Speaker thank you, xheef. Thank you chief. I got the call for loads and so were talking about redistricting and the factor was its data at determining where its different on the map. It would be good for us to if the department could run that report on how the calls for services are balancing out. The anecdote calls i get from folks are like, some people feel attached to the station they used to call whether its northern verses park. Theres a sense there might be a delay or the change is hard. Some of the questions ive gotten, i dont know if fellow commissioners are around, whether its evenly balanced or northern station is getting a real hit and so it would be great for us to have a report with those numbers so we can report out to members of the public who have concerns. Okay. Commissioner hwang. Speaker i think i had the same concerns. Ive had anecdote reports that i think one of our concerns was where the mall was going to get place and i think it ended up in tender lone. It did. Whether theres a slower call for service in the tenderloin. I would like to look at those numbers and see how were balancing out. Any further questions for the chief on this matter. I forgot to do you have the Community Policing program they can go to where people can go to and be trained through the process, what the officers go through in terms of the shootings and things like that. Theyre saying that program is not offered anymore. I forgot what its called. Speaker are you talking about the speaker the citizens academy. Im talking about the citizens academy. Speaker we dont because we have the parking lot is packed. Every classroom is up. Weve had to take training outside because theres no room to train them at this point. Thats something the Community Members were saying they thought it was helpful for them and other Community Members to take that course. Its something to put back on the list at some point. Okay. Anything further, chief chaplin. Speaker that concludes my report. Speaker item 1 b, occs report to make announcements, presentation of the occ statistical and companion report for the months of april and pay 2016. Speaker good evening, director hicks. Good evening, president loftus. Commissioners, chief chaplin, members of the public. I have a few brief announcements. Ill make today, the San Francisco grand jury released its report on its investigation of the transparency. The San Francisco apart of this investigation, members of the civil grand jury reviewed occ record and interviewed occ staff. The grand jury investigation was confidential. But it is now public and the report released today is titled into the open opportunities for more timely and transparent investigations of fatal fatal San Francisco Police Officer, officer involved shooting. The government audit and Oversight Committee will hold a hearing on september 15th of this year in city hall to go over the findings of the grand jury and the date is subject to change as september approaches. In the next item, today and last thursday, i attended the board of supervisors rules hearing on proposed Charter Amendments. Two of which would impact the office of citizen complaints and the Police Commission. One is sponsored by supervisor cohn and the other by supervisor campos. The one sponsored by cohn passed out of the rules committee today with a higher support by its members supervisor hwang, mar and helen. And in short, what it would do is it would change the name of the occ to the dpa which is the department of Police Accountability. It would provide the dpa with audit jurisdiction over the Police Department and it would remove the dpas budget from the Police Departments budget. Supervisor campos measure is the public advocate measure, but it was amended and those amendments were provided at the rules committee meeting, so it will be taken up at a future rules committee meeting. And an amendment that were made to the supervisor campos measure, it would take out most reference to the office of labor standards and enforcement. However, it will give the public advocate appointment of the occ director and standard that concludes my announcements. Moving onto the two reports i provided to the commission which are the statistical reports from april and from may of this year. I will move to the april report. And in april, the occ meeting four cases for a total of 19 mediated cases january 1st through april 30th. Moving to chief proposed discipline on occ sustained complaints in april, and those would be proposed disciplinary cases from former chief sir decisions from chief sir. The third one which is a negligent of duty allegation. The officer received a written represent mand and retrained for failing to create a report for something he observed. A second one. This was nement of duty and unwarranted action where an officer in violation of department policies, training regarding the low jack stolen vehicle detection process and felony vehicle stops. Unlawfully handcuffed the complaint. If the officer followed the procedure, the unlawful arrests wouldnt have occurred. The officer was retrained and reprimanded. The third case negligent the fourth case, the officer used discourteous language and the officer was retrained. The 5th was involving the complaint ant who was a cantonese speaker and involved in an automobile accident. And the officer failed to obtain an interpreter and the officer was admonished and retrained. In the 6th case, its a Domestic Violence case. The officer failed to properly investigate the complaint ants investigation that her husband violently attacked her when she told him she was filing divorce. The officer was suspended. Moving to may, mediation of complaint. Occ mediate five cases for a total of 24 cases mediated from january 1, 2016 to may 31st of 2016. Moving to the three cases of occ sustained complaints and police chief, action was complaint. Former chief surveyed findings and proposed discipline in two cases and chief of chaplin, proposed discipline in one case. On the first case, another Language Access case. The officer failed to advise the complaintant of her right to a russian speaker interpreter. The officer was retrained. In a second case, a sergeant neglected duty and not properly preparing documentation. This was a sergeant and the sergeant also failed to issue a certificate of release after handcuffing the complaint ant and failed to properly document in the final case, and this involved an officer failing to make required reports of a crime or incident requiring police attention. This is a fairly complicated set of stack, but the complaintent complained to the officer that her exboyfriend had been given access to her apartment during the civil stand by by other officers. And the other officers let the exboyfriend into her apartment. She did have a restraining order against the exboyfriend. And the officer instead of investigating, the complaint ant allegation assessed referred the complaint ant to the district station and to the occ. Ant to the district station and to the occ. The one who allowed the exboyfriend to his former apartment, these were policy failures because there was not a clear enough policy for those officers regarding, allowing former occupants into their former residence to obtain their property. And policy attorney sam ramarian reviewed this case, and will make the appropriate policy recommendations. That concludes my reports. And just a civil stand by is where theres a restraining order and the police are requested to come and be present when the party being restrained from the other party gets their items back, goes back to their home, and so just for folks again, were trying to make sure were not using terms the public might not know. Civil stand by, did i directly describe that, director hicks. Speaker i would say so. Speaker great. Speaker all right. Weve got questions. Commissioner de jesus. So you were talking about the Charter Amendment that you attended the hearing and its really involving your office and im assuming youre working with people in terms of understanding it. I want to ask this question because you mentioned and ive read this that there would be that this new its called i pod, thats the acronym for it. Independent Police Oversight department, will conduct reviews of how the Police Commission and the Police Department handles claims of officer misconduct. Im curious, do you know how that works . Let me just the officers discipline records are covered by the Police Officers bill of rights and thats state law and i dont know if your office is going to have jurisdiction over that. Do you know how thats going to work and how are you going to do that if you dont have access to those records . First of all, commissioner de jesus, you may be referring to a former of a proposed major. The name has been changed to i pod to department of Police Accountability. And the departments are not generally invited to participate in a proposed measure prior to its public release. And so those measures were created by supervisor cohn as well as supervisor campos without prior referral to me. However, once they were made public, i certainly did provide input and so the audit function is a function that is conducted by other from Oversight Department in california, and so the the City Attorneys Office did review the measure for former legality prior to its release. How does it work . The question is how do you anticipate its going to work . Im trying to understand the question. What are you auditing . Are you auditing how many cases there were and how many complains there where he. Speaker one can audit for, example, whether traffic stops were recorded. One can look at that data. One can look at discipline imposed and make a report on whether discipline was consistent. Or whether it was in compliance with the discipline manual that the Police Department had. One can, again, look at stop data and make certain findings. Its an audit function where one can look at patterns. One can make from looking at those patterns, one can make policy recommendations. Right now, the office of citizen complaints make policy recommendations, but its based on a based limited of information, the complaints that occ receives. Thats all one can do all that. Im wondering how do you perceive this committee or your new committee doing what exactly do you. Is there a discussion about how youre going to go forward on this audit or is that up in the air . Maybe thats what i should ask. Speaker we did have a conversation at our last meeting that one of the things we need to have as a commission is a presentation on how this would effect our work and how we fit in and to that extend to which we want to weigh in. Apart is legislation is unfolding and were hoping to see what resources we can pull together with the help of the City Attorneys Office to advise us on the impact it would have because i think to some degree, those are open questions and director hicks, you may not be aware of that. Along the same lines of supervisor avalos, its incumbent upon us to understand the implications and if we want to insert our voice in the process while its going on, we need good information to do that. I dont think we have that yet. Director hicks, did you want to Say Something in response. If i could. So supervisor cohns measure will go before the board of supervisors for a vote to determine whether it will be placed on the november ballot. Its a similar process to the process for proposition d which provided the office of citizen complaints, jurisdiction overall officers not just shootings where we received complaints. The proposition from supervisor cohen has gone through changes. There was a set aside for the orc that would base the occs future budget on the budget thats proposed for 201617, 1718 that was removed. And there there were other prevision thats were removed as well, but off the top of my head, im not recalling them. Similarly with supervisor campos measure, originally that proposition would have placed the office of citizen complaint under the public advocate and would have removed the relationship between the offices of citizen complaints and the Police Commission. That at least has changed. So but i think and again without going into too much more details since its not agendized, once something is finalized, then it could be presented. Great. Thank you. We have questions from the commissioners. Xigser melara. Commissioner melara. Speaker this is a clarification from my brain is the difference again a written reprimand and retrain and admonish and retrained. Does the admonished and retrain get written some where . Yes, its all noted in the so when we get a file on an officer, everything that has been done is documented in a file for past discipline. Its noted and available when they come before me. I do get speaker written reprimand is something formal handed to the officer. Speaker thats correct. And also the commissioner melara, admonishment is not considered discipline. Its not apart of the disciplinary schedule and admonishment cannot be peeled sort of speak. Admonishment doesnt go under the skelly rules before a chiefs hearing, but a written reprimand can. Speaker can you explain an scelly hearing. Speaker when an employee their record is a property right and if theres something if theres something negative on their personal record thats considered discipline, the individual is entitled to have a a meeting with a reviewer to determine whether that discipline will be either changed or removed so when the occ or internal Affairs Division for that matter, makes a sustained finding and the chief imposes discipline and an officer is does not wants to contest it, then the officer can request a chiefs hearing and i was using scelly and i should say chiefs hearing. That officer is able to express his perspective along with or her perspective along with the representative and the attorney for the occ, one of the attorneys for the occ will advocate on behalf of the chiefs decision, and its a hearing, and the attorneys for internal Affairs Division would advocate on behalf of the chief when its an internal disciplinary matter. Something thats not arising from a citizens complaint. Speaker thank you for that clarification. Vice president turman. Speaker the april 3, 16 report, item number 6 under discipline, the officer was suspended for how many days . One day. One day. Is that consistent with similar instances . Commissioner turman, the occ does not have access to all of the discipline thats imposed by the Police Department. I cannot speak to whether or not it is consistent. What were receiving now and had not been receiving in the past is information from internal Affairs Division of whether or not an officer has passed discipline, and in that way, and looks in the discipline schedule, i can recommend an elevated level of discipline, and so whether this is consistent with past discipline imposed, i think a question that the chief could answer through looking at internal affairs records. Chief, can you offer any enlightenment there. Speaker i would have to research to see what other people in similar circumstances were given. And again, this is all progressive discipline. I would have to research this individual case for you. Speaker all right. Okay. Commissioner hwang. Speaker two quick questions. One is a followup. In this type of instance with the dd case, other than the discipline of the officer, does the department take a new report from the victim in the case . Its not too late to followup on the case. Definitely not. In one of the cases that was spoke out earlier, a case was done months earlier. Its never too late to document an independence dainty. Incident. Do we followup and see if the victim wants to followup with the prosecution in that case. Thats generally what happens. I cannot speak to the specific case, but once the case is identified, generally someone other than the person that did the violation is sent back out to take the report and do the followup. Thank you. We had two language complaints which is unusual from those two communities which dont generally generate a lot of instances. Is it a pattern . Is there a recommendation in terms of its something we have worked on for a long time. Speaker right. Is there a reason why we all of a sudden saw these two complays surface. Speaker yes, commissioner. These types of violations occur, its prudent for the department engage in additional training, line up training, et cetera, to insure that officers are reminded of their obligation under Language Access. There was a difference. There was a difference in the discipline in those two cases because the facts were different. And in the case involving the cantonese speaker, the officer should have known. They were just so many red flags in its case involving the russian speaker, the officer believed he was communicating effectively. And all of those things, im sure the department is taking into consideration. Just to further answer that question, mary is in the pack from the directors office. She holds the meeting for the pd. Its an ongoing issue. Sometimes its a matter of letting the officers knows when theres an issue with the communication, then youre to get a translator because things may get lost. The case has dwindled down, but we get them, but there nowhere where they used to be. The officers were moving through and they think theyre communicating effectively. If theres a hint the person isnt understanding or comprehending, you need to get the lep is limited english pro fish enter see and we have a working group that has worked for three years for advocates in the db community and representing communities that have lost trust and its a challenge to even file a report and a lot of their recommendations with marion have been about changing policies so barrier isnt a thats why theyre sense tiesed to those. Director hicks. Yes, president loftus and members now its on. Just in further shout out to san marion who does work tirelessly on Language Access issues, as well as issues regarding youth and juvenile. When we have a complaint involving those two areas, ms. Marion closely reviews those matters and works closely with the investigators on our staff. Is there a recommendation at this point that the language limited English Proficiency bulletin should be put out. Would you make that policy recommendation, director hicks. If i might, i would like to ask attorney marion to come to approach mic. Speaker good morning, marion from assistant of complaints. Theres a department thats specific to common indicators and thats excellent if that were reissued because both cases involved common indicators when its coming through 911 where the dispatch is using an interpreter. Thats a warning sign for the officer to use a Language Line at the scene. Speaker thank you. Speaker thank you. Chief chaplin, yeah. Whats your perspective . Its up to you to issue a bulletin. Speaker i can reissue that bulletin. Speaker great. Thank you chief. I want to go through it appears director hicks, are more cases going to mediation . Are we seeing more cases like that. Is that number staying static. It seems higher. Speaker president loftus, we wish it were higher because its remaining pretty static. I will report give the 2015 annual report next week. It has been delayed because i my staff and i have been addressing many investigations and many requested for information from now i can talk about it. Not only the civil grand jury, but the Blue Ribbon Task force and cops, there have been several meetings with cops and when we exhale, then theres a request for us to review 200 incident reports and were a small staff. We want to be transparent and we recognize that providing information is extremely important. So you will see the 2015 report next week and then we can talk about patterns from at least during last year. Okay. And then with regard to these i look forward to this. With the incidents and we covered language barriers and bulletins will be released. The victor commissioner hwangs point, the issue involving Domestic Violence and oneday suspension, it would be great if we can get an update to make sure that particular victim was followed up with and a report can be issued there. That is apart of a pattern that abusers will use is they have a better relationship with Law Enforcement if theres no followup. Given there was failure here, it would be great to hear that there was followup and a police report. So that would be great. And the other question that i have is with regard to the unlawful arrests. Number two of the april statistical report. The person was unlawfully detained and arrested. If the officer followed procedure, the unlawful arrest wouldnt have occurred. That can do the moefts damage the most damage we were talking about. I dont know if theres written if this level of discipline was requested by the occ. It seems based on the small amounts of fact we have to be a very light, even though its a written reprimand, it seems as though its an unlawful arrest to merit greater discipline. This is a case from a prior chief. We i, as the director have tightened down on how i requests discipline from the department by actually having written documentation with the an indication of a prior discipline identifying where in the schedule the discipline will fall. This is not satisfactorily discipline in this instance. The complaint, the African American man, the officer heard a ping and thought that the this was a stolen car, but the officer did not follow procedures and did not did not check double check the license plate. The car was not stolen. The complainant offered to his registration to the officer. And the officer refused and pulled the handcuffed the complainant. This was supposed to be a stolen car. That would have been a felony stop. The officer should have called for backup and the officer did not. So that those are the facts that i can give to you. It is an egregious. I ask the chief since youre familiar with this case, it did happen before your ten year, but if theres anything you want to respond to. I did review it and it was a rolling situation where there was a lo jack hit. He stops the car and because it is a felony stop, he did not there wasnt a lot of time to talk about registration because the obvious thing to do at that point is to render the scene safe. The officer pulled up to the scene and that made the original broadcaster say this is not the car. So the defendant was released at the scene. But since he was handcuffed, he was technically arrested at the scene by virtue of being handcuffed and without the policy and procedures being followed thats why the it was before my time as chief. Thats the long short of it. I dont know if you had the impression the person was taken off to jail. They were released at the scene. There was some policy violations as director hicks alluded to. Speaker okay. Were going to suspension that case. It was a reprimand and retraining. Thats correct. Okay. So you know, director hicks, it would be helpful for members of the public to understand when there is a disagreement with what you think is the right discipline, obviously this is a case you investigated and the chief determines the discipline. You know, what recourses there for you, how do you handle these issues and what next steps do you think should happen as a result of what you just explained as an an egregious discipline imposed. Speaker yes, president ll. What happens when it is chiefs level discipline, ultimately the chief determines the discipline and thats the end of the story. But before the chief determines discipline, then i have the opportunity to influence that discipline. We do have a cover sheet that we forward along with our sustained report which has our evidence attached. The cover sheet indicates that i will check whether i want to talk to the officer in charge of internal Affairs Prior to a recommendation being made to the chief and then theres another area that i can check that says i want to talk to the chief before the chief imposes discipline and theres another area where i say this is not. This is a Commission Level discipline. And so thats the process. And sometimes the conversation doesnt happen between the chief and myself. And there could be a number of reasons for that. One of them could be that the time period is very short. Youll see in the annual report that our sustained report gets to the department pretty late in the process. Theres enough time to pick up the phone and make that phone call. And so this is a new day, and i believe that well be more successful in moving things forward. I will say when the former chief and i met, then there was active listening and a willingness to hear our perspective. And i would i not only attend those meetings alone, i will bring a staff attorney who worked on the case as well. And so thats the process. Now, if its a Commission Level case and again, this makes me take pause about bringing more cases to this commission. Its a commissionlevel case, i ask the chief to file charges with this commission. If the chief says no, then i can file them myself which i have done in the past. Yes, have you. Speaker its an important point. If theres certain cases because this is a question for a number of Charter Amendments is a lack of satisfaction, so its very important that theres certain discipline less than ten days resolved at the chiefs level and the chief makes that determination and we have a chance to talk about that openly with the commission and matters thats filed by the department and internal affairs or occ comes to the commission. Thats an important process point for people to understand. Yes, but president loftus, perhaps i have been my staff and i because i do rely on staff my staff lawyers to help me reach a decision as to whether youre going to bring something to the commission or whether were going to bring it to the chief. I believe we need to take a fresh look at what were bringing what were leaving at chiefs level and what were bringing to the commission. And i will say that, and i have heard loud and clear, the concerns about discipline. The chief is the appointing authority and the disciplinary for the chiefs level cases, but the charter also has the occ director with a very Important Role in the discipline process and recommending it the chief. Speaker anything further for director hicks, colleagues. For the chief. Speaker anything further for director hicks, colleagues. Can i Say Something. I would like to see a 6handed process to where when i get it, i have time to review it and if theres were talking about somebodys career and their fate. And maybe they need to be fired. Maybe they need to be retrained. But it takes time to review all the facts and if theres a disagreement we need time to dialogue about it and fix it. Thats the biggest problems i identified earlier on. If theres a decision to push to the commission, it should be one made because thats where it belongs not because our backs are against the wall. Thats the big i think its conversation and im not a big fan of the phone call because we sit and go over things together and look at maybe why director hicks is saying fivedays as opposed to one. And so on and so fort. This can be fixed. I think she identified the problems earlier when she said it goes back to staffing and the ability to get these reports cranked down in a timely manner, but once thats fixed, i think it will be a universal fix for issues because we can go over the history and understand why the occ is recommendation something and why the police is pushing something. How much time do you need . Were up against a deadline. How much time would you need in order to accomplish this process . Speaker if we can get maybe twoweek window because we both have complicated schedules and i mean, ive been up against it. Well walk in and some reports are due within days. So if they dont die on the vine. We dont want anybody escaping discipline, so we have to make a rapid decision right there and one of the things that this will help as i think the punishment or retraining or whatever we come up with will be just for everybody involved in the process. But it has to be done in a thoughtful and manner where we can sit down and talk about why were doing what were doing and when we sit in their forums, theres no disagreements, we know maybe you can meet and agree on some type of schedule and see if that works. Director hicks. Speaker yes, and i thank chief chaplin for his comments and the occ has had severe staffing issues. Those staffing issues should be resolved through the budget. And we recognize the pressure we put on the internal Affairs Division because chief chaplin will get our sustained reports after theyve been vetted by internal Affairs Division, so internal division acts like an auditor of the occs investigations. They make a determination and that goes to the chief. And there have been some recent sustained reports that we have forwarded to the Police Department and the window has just been very, very small. And we are scrambling as fast as we can. We want to be fair and make the right decision and want the Police Department to make thoughtful decisions as well. We do see a light at the end of the tunnel. Recently, i promoted three 8124 investigators to 8126 supervising investigators. Two of them had been acting senior investigators. One for a year and a half. One for almost three years and so that took away from the investigator pool, i will now hire three new investigators, additionally we have an investigator who is coming on board august 1st. And then with the budget amendment, we will be able to hire another four investigators in october. It has been very, very difficult for our department, but i do see a light at the end of the tunnel. Commissioner de jesus. Speaker this is a new fiscal year. Thats starting and so you having help maybe you should get together and work out a time frame or table so you can get the work done and he can get the work done and theres not that pressure. Theres a short statute you have to meet. Its something you should put in place. Speaker i would ask just to again to the point that has been made about following up, i would ask director hicks when have you that conversation, please put that in your report as an update on progress with acting chief to make sure you have i think chief youre making a good point, discipline is important for everybody for the officer, and for the community its done fairly and its not done to those scrambling, so we need to get everybody the resources they need to make sure what is recommended is the right outcome. Thank you for the thoughtful discussion on that. Anything further for director hicks . Thank you, direct are hicks. Sergeant, please call the next line item. Speaker item 1 c Accident Commission residents report, update on police chief recruitment, update on use of force meet and confer team. Commissioners report. Yes, ill just go ahead and start us off. At our last meeting, we did get the proposal passed from Ralph Anderson and associates for the recruitment of the police chief. I followed up with this Recruitment Firm about the process. I had a phone conversation to update all of you today. Well have them here at our next meeting to give a formal update for the commission. Things i want to flag to start the conversation is there was a chief selection in 2009 that used a recruiting firm. That results in chief gascon. In 2011, this commissioner many were on the commission that collected chief sir. There was not a Recruitment Firm used at that time. This Recruitment Firm, one of the things that they made clear, i think its important is through the are recruitment process starts now. For those they should not wait and a piece of this process as this commission has been clear is the public input on what we get back, so theyre going to present to us next week on a few aspects. One is a survey tool, an Online Survey pool we can put out broadly to get feedback from those who dont have time to come to a Commission Meeting or send us an email, so theyre developing that tool that theyll present. The other mechanism is we will the last commission had three sort of what they called three Community Events to get input from different parts of the city. The thought that i got from all of you is this is a commission that very much wants to go beyond that, and so the goal would be to have five Community Conversations because theres so much interest in what qualities were looking for. These more casual and formal. Well have two to three commissioners. Thats requested from the community, that the structure of these meetings can inhibit dialogue and so we want to aim to do those this will help us with that. As well as ill give our email for anybody watch and i would ask the commissioners and anybody who is here, the process for what type of person were looking for, anyone can give us information now at Public Comment at our future meetings sspf. Commission. Gov, did i get that right . Yes, did you. Speaker well post that on our website very clearly. So were going to have a presentation from them next week. A couple of things around to be thinking about as we, as a commission prepare for this, is we need a Job Description to go out to start the process. So theyre looking at the basic qualifications that would go out. Were looking for someone and the salary would be on there. Some of the areas around experience is what were looking for which is preliminary ones. Well start the process which would relieve the Job Description out there for 40 days but we want to start that process. So this commission will have a chance to review the basic qualifications next week like do we want to require what level of education. Commissioner mazzucco has raised that and what experience do you have as a commander. Are we looking for someone from a large or small department. The questions that are basic. Well start the process of having people turn their applications in while this commission has the conversations across the city with what were looking for. We wouldnt start the interviews until weve concluded the conversation across the city. And what this recruiting firm will do is based on all of the commons well get, it will help us formulate sort of a profile of the theme that have come across of what were looking for, and theyll support us with that. We hope ive asked them to have the survey tool prepared as well as dates for the Community Conversation to share on july 13th. Ill say colleagues, august is going to be a big month for these conversations. I think we might limit our do our business on the first two meeting in august and then be dark the third meeting where we dark the fourth to allow commissioners to attend as many Community Conversations as possible. I want to provide that and ask going questions and feedback. I have asked the firm to come next week and provide a more thorough update, but im happy to answer questions if i can. Speaker sounds thorough. Speaker okay. Great. And then the next thing i have is colleagues, we got an update at our last meeting. This commission requested that sam marion who is here represent the commission as a subject Matter Expert Going Forward with the bargaining process thats going to happen with regard to the policy that we adopted on use of force, so we got a letter from mickey that sam marion with director hicks will be a subject Matter Expert and in particular, what i think is important will represent having worked a lot with the commission through this process on what we would find acceptable and why certain words matter and sorts of be that threshold person to advise them on the negotiations on what this commission will find acceptable, so thank you to director hicks. And the last thing i would say, we did just get like everyone, the grand jury report on officer involved shootings. We all have to review it. I havent had time to do that. I want to thank the grand jurors for their time that they put in. Extensive amount of time especially around explaining process which i think is key. I think this commission has spent times looking at the delays and used the phrase, justice delayed is justice denied. Well agendize it to hear more about the recommendations. Colleagues, any other updates under commission reports. Speaker i do commissioner melara. Speaker i was in new york in the last few days and had the opportunity to meet with the insmek Inspector General and members of the Police Department. Legal bureau which actually works directly with the office of the Inspector General and they share a lot of lessons learned, and the process of doing their work. The office Inspector General has been around for the last two years and as we move forward and maybe occ becoming sorts of like that, the structure may teach us something and as well as the and operational side on the rolling out of cameras. Its very interesting process that they went through in the sampling they did. And so i like to share that in the future with the chief as well. I dont want to take the time because the interest of time and my own jet lag, i dont think i can go into more detail, but i have some less objects learned by them, and that i love to share. Speaker dr. Marshal. Speaker its interesting to mention the Inspector General. One of my young man is a Police Detective and he speaks highly of the general. Ill double down with him and ive heard good things from both departments about the Inspector General in their department, so i can also give a report. Speaker anything else from other commissioners . Speaker okay. Sergeant, please call next item. Speaker item 1 d, Commission Meetings alkylation. Speaker you know, it would be great. I know that the goal is and i understand chief that body cameras will be rolled out in the target stations on engle side in august. Its great to get an update on that, and an update we have a grand jury report with the crime lab that we need to report on and certainly an update on the grand jury report that was released. Anything further on this matter . Okay. Thats it. So i would ask for a Public Comment on matter items 1 a1 d. Come up. Sir. And mrs. Brown, welcome. Welcome. Hi, how are you . Im talking about my son again. Im getting ready to go home and i want to bring up my sons case again. His name is proun and i wanted to im still waiting for some answers on my sons case. Hopefully theres still investigators thats supposed to be investigating my sons case. I havent heard anything. And i still want justice for my son. And for all other homicide victims too that cases havent been solved. Like i said, im on the battlefield everyday. August of next month, next month august 14th will be ten years ten years, you guys and people ask me, it has been a long time and i said, its like yesterday to me. And we were talking about it and we said yes it has been ten years. And everyday for ten years, ive been grieving everyday for ten years. Thats a shame that i have to go through that, but im going to stand strong as a mother and still ask for justice for my son and for other homicide victims which i had it ready before i came up here and i dont have very much time. Other homicide victims. Look at these faces and think of their mothers. And it says where were you when i was murdered . Let my [inaudible] unsolved case. I ask that you help. And do something about it. And have those investigators talk to me, please. Thank you, mrs. Brown. If anybody has information into the murder of awe bree from august of 2006 in the western additional, theres a tip line 4155755144. I know have you to leave. Captain flair is sitting right there in uniform. Can you leave a number with her on your way out. Our retired inspectors has grabbed your sons case and reviewing the file and wants to contact you with regards to that. So before you leave, if you could. I know youre leaving you said youre leaving now. Speaker yes, i am speaker thank you chief and mrs. Brown. Next speaker. Tom, about recruits, it would be great to recruit from San Francisco, the district. If we can have more there. It would be nice to have more Police Living in the city. That needs to be taken care of. Crisis intervention teams should not be part of the Police Department. The Fire Department is not apart of the Police Department. The ambulance is not apart of the Police Department, i believe and the crisis teams should be their own identity. I like the police being the first responders. The crisis team need be to angels and different frame of mind completely. And again, they need to be in volume. We need teams. Performance review, i would like the trainees while theyre being trained to have contact with veterans that have not fired a bullet. Have not been on the street. They can have lunch. They can go to the fire range. A contact with tenyear veterans and the 10year veterans can have a review on that. The occ, when theres a con flon tags between the occ and the Police Department on whats going on, it was recommended that it be brought here in front of the commission. With that being closed is that open or closed to the public . Open, okay. As far as hiring a new chief, if the chief thinks that he can lead this department, i hope he acknowledges that. The next thing is you might want to talk to eddie debarlo who had no contact with a Football Team he bought, no experience and yet he got rid of joe thomas who had all the credentials and hired bill walch. You may want to find out what went through his mind. Speaker thank you, sir. Next speaker. Hi, commissioners. David, again. Before i start i like to ask to clarify, is there another opportunity for public with regards to veterans if we want to continue culture, lets hire exwarriors. They may have ptsd, they may be trigger happy, theyre an identifying army in communicates of color. If we want transformation of reform in a guardian culture, we should listen to joe marshal and hire locally from the communities. With regard to the civil grand jury, the report slams all parties on officer involved shooting, the occ, this commission, the did, and the Police Department. We need to look into their report and make their recommendations a very high priority. And lets see. What else do i want to weigh in on. Thats enough for now. Speaker next speaker. Good evening, and welcome. My name is tim. Ive lived in San Francisco for 33 years and most of that time i felt letty i felt pretty safe. The gay parade, i marched in that and i want to thank its police for making the day go smoothly. The good thing is im a person that doesnt get shot to death very often in this city. If i was the average citizen, the tenderloin or Hunters Point, i think i would be scared. I wouldnt feel very safe. Im pretty sure that i had been a mail carpenter lopez the night he was shot and not in San Francisco uniform were yelling at me in a language i did not understand, i would have turned and run too. I wouldnt have expected to be shot in the back. Lastly, i heard many of you talk about supervisor avalos proposal only in terms of the budget and the cost to the Police Department. And i find it more than sad that not one of you brought up the cost of Excessive Force and the cost of human lives that have been taken by the Police Department. Next speaker. Good evening, and welcome im claudia stephens. Six years ago, july 12th my dault ter was murdered. The Police Department underserved her. I have more to say tonight, but after listening to this woman talk about the lack of the police still not properly investigating Domestic Violence arresting the violators really upsets me. My daughter was murdered by james mitchell. And he was given special treatment. And next time mr. Mitchell, he came to my house and hits her 14 times with a baseball bat. And not one person in San Francisco contacted me. They told me let me tell you, all the crimes that are committed right here. Harris and judge mary morgan, let him walk. So i really im a 4th generation. Mitch sell my last name and ice cream is our fame. This upsets me. Last time i was here, i was with the fiscal 5 group and i spoke and you suggested i told you about a lieutenant who was using very negative vulgar words with me in regards to my daughters murder. I met with that woman and she interviewed me and she sent me a tape that wouldnt play and i get a letter to sign for meet mediation. I dont need to mediate with an officer and tell me what a bad day hes having. Its obvious that this was a Major Incident and he still could care less, you know. Whats happening. Thank you for your question. Was this an office i want to find something to followup. Was it a citizen complaint . Yes. Theres a senior investigator up here. If you followup about the tape that didnt play because we appreciate that you have gone through the process. And theres someone here who can answer your question. Speaker i have one more thing to tell you, twice a year i have written harris when she was here, the chief of police, the tare veil police, everybody and i have not ever got not one response and i wanted the answer of who is responsible for these Police Officers that dont do their job and then when these families go to court and nobody does the judge and the da does nothing. Speaker the investigator is here and you can followup by him. Speaker george said if i want to talk to him, i should file a complaint six years later. Thank you. Good evening, and welcome. Good evening, i just want to commend the chief for no [inaudible] intervention. Our hope is the beginning of a new era. I remember under leary and south of the station, there were usually no [inaudible] 51 50. People came in piece to psych emergency. I welcome this era and were going to hold him to this standard. Thank you. I wanted to mention when juan was killed, open Facebook Support group for [inaudible] on facebook if you enter on the facebook search, justice [inaudible]. It was published on the murders and the whole and the petition has been set up for her called keep [inaudible] alive. Speaker thank you. Come up, sorry. Welcome back, mr. Miller. I find it disgusting tonight of the hiring initiatives for or excuse me the Recruitment Initiative for new Police Officers. Both optimistic and troubling. As was acknowledged by almost all par these involved, theres a significant lack of reputation of certain communicates in our department. And the fact the proper steps arent be taken to rectify that, i think in general is positive. However, i would like to skrekd a concern thats been expressed about hazards of ptsd coming from former military people being recruited. I have deep concerns about militarization and Public Education by promoting recruitment on university campuses. I think that challenges cultures thats loaning established in San Francisco. Following that with education, i want to make one point very clear because this is a problem were having in our institution of Higher Education as well as seemingly a cognitive with our Law Enforcement. So let me be very clear. Ethnic studies, and courses of such, like or instituted for liberation purposes. Theyre re we will not surrender liver rags as a booby prize. Whether you hire a rainbowberation as a booby prize. Whether you hire a rainbow we require that our people live in dignity. Thank you, mr. Miller. Next speaker. Speaker yeah, you seem pretty relaxed before i speak, but when i got to the front, i noticed a baton thats nearly as tall as he is and i noticed you you were talking during the pride parade and the police were kind of keeping a low profile to avoid escalation and the officer standing there with the baton, to me, why dont we use those same tactics in the meetings. Because its kind of scary to me. It means that maybe if i speak out of line, something might happen. Or if i ask for an acronym, what it means something might happen. And im serious about that. Im not exaggerating my fear. Those in low income, why are we having a discussion of low income and when youre in a low income neighborhood, youre not going to go wok for the police if the police have been in your neighborhood shooting people and killing people, youre not going to work for the people who have been killing your brothers and sisters and parents and if do you, youre regarded as a stitch. In those communities, snitches get stitches. So its not a good thing for the community to go become a Police Officer. Im not saying that its bad to become a Police Officer, but it doesnt make sense to me. And also i just saw on facebook, that you all have hired the same firm that hired the chief in oakland. Paid him 49k. You know, what is that all about. You all got me so baffled and im here so late. Ive worked all day. I used to be i used to be the people you arrested in the tenderloin except you let me go because i was white. You arrested the black people i was with. When i can thank you for your comments. Next speaker. [applause] thank you, welcome back. I want to make a quick comment to recruitment. We know theres folks who live in the bay view never cross the Golden Gate Bridge. We have some very, very distinct cultures in this place we call multi culture San Francisco, but its a highly segregated city. And so one suggestion is no matter where we recruit, we need to add some training, some ethnic studies that will help people understand even the neighborhood they live in in terms of the history. Why is china town forced into being china town over history. What about when the japanese was removed from this city and put into concentration camps, what about the western bay Hunters Point that emerged from neighborhoods and forced domestic environments. That sets up a condition where recruits, Police Officers can start to kind of understand where they are, and what are the impact of that history on them. I want to support avalos. He was not here to be insulted. He left before he was insulted about the short time he has. Abraham lincoln signed the pans page a week before he died. So lets give avalos all the time he need and we heard a reference to women who dont want to do things around men. I saw a reaction when the lieutenant said that. I want to apologize on behalf of men for that. Because not on my watch. Were not going to allow that to happen. Meet some of the women i know, and theyll scare you to death. Mrs. Bryant, welcome back im here tonight on a couple of things. I want to strongly support i missed the presentation, but saw in support the avaloss budget reserved budget because thats the idea of having metrics. I want to commend the San Francisco Police Department before i found theres an incident going on in the tenderloin and it was resolved and i want to commend you ask your staff and changing policies and we can see that everybody can be safe and you dont have to go into lethal force mode. When commissioner hwang talked about local hire. That resonated with me in new york and chicago. Its called residency law. I met my husband and hes from chicago. I didnt understand it. Theres a strong case to be made for it. It will hold officers more accountable. If they see someone shopping or at school or whatever, so i think that theres a strong case to be made for doing that. I do understand i follow this. Ive researched this against the constitution right now. We know how city jobs are obtained and theres testing and scores and maybe ten points or 20 points like veterans get. We put them higher on the list so we have more probability of hiring San Francisco residents and the cost of living in San Francisco, thats something we need to address and we need to work towards housing for our teachers and police and everybody can live in the city. I mentioned a couple of weeks ago four officers on valencia street, i asked do you live in the city and the one nasty with me, you shouldnt have officers that hate us. Next speaker. Good evening, welcome. Im Heather Richard smith from the im here with a few representatives of the Justice Coalition and faith in action. In february of 2015 lopez was killed by sfpd. Initially the former chief said he lounged at the officers and they shot them. This was disproven by an autopsy. He was shot in the back while running away from the officers. Over this past year and a half, several hundred of us have vigiled and marched, held press conferences and filed a complaint with the occ, published in the newspaper and delivered a petition. Right now, we are awaiting the das decision and we have insisted that he charge the officers would killed amel car with murder. He has more than enough evidence to do this. Now we have another concern, and this one is for you, the chief, and the Police Commission. Recently District Attorney gaston informed us after car was murdered, officers tampered with the crime scene. By the time the da a viefbed at the scene, the medical examiner had already removed the body. As a result, no criminal investigation of the crimes was possible. This breach of protocol by the police is at best gross negligence. And at worst a cover up. You cant blame us for insisting a cover up. We now also bring this serious issue to you with the expectation that you will discipline, if not fire the officers who tampered with this crime. Next speaker, welcome. Commissioners, good evening. Mark, a mill car lopez was my neighbor and i like to read the letter we submit. Were asking action from this commission. Noted on 2015, lopez, a 20yearold district resident was shot by two under cover officers. Former chief sir claimed that lopez had lounged at these officers and they shot him in self defense. Two autopsies shows that he was killed in the head and back. Theyre investigating to see if criminal charges should be filed against the two officers. In a meeting with Community Leaders on june 2nd, 2016, his investigation into the Police Killing of lopez had been frustrated by the following. One, the Police Department failed to report the independence the incident to the District Attorney office. They removed the body. They were when they tampered with the crime scene covering up the evidence and sabotaging the District Attorneys investigation. Due to alarming in light of new revelation about tampering of the crime scene, we insist and demand that the Police Commission take immediate action to investigate this matter and discipline the officers who violated the departments protocols. Thank you, next speaker. We want the killing to stop. We want guilty officers charged and disciplined and we want changed in the Police Department, training and practices that will lead to a more civil San Francisco. And this is with signed with conviction, sincerity and hope, members of the clergy. Speaker thank you. Next speaker. Each one of you will have its about did you speak in this Public Comment. Its the well do general Public Comment next. Speaker i want to you can come up. So a couple of things. I want to say i do support john avalos because the only way the board of supervisors can have control is through the budget. Also i find the the whole occ and the chief, its totally unclear how theyre going to communicate with each other and it seems arbitrary and unclear. There needs to be policy where theyre suspended or desk job and tell clarity about whats happening. This idea of arbitrary happens in a vague way. Sometimes it has to be fast. The occ has to little power. I filed a complaint against a woman thrown against a while, an African American, legs kicked apart and ill never hear what happened. I dont get to hear that. Great, i make the report. I never get to hear what happened. How does that work for us . This is supposed to be serving us. I dont see how thats going to work for me never to know what happened about that officer. Speaker i would ask director hicks if you can provide your investigator to answer questions about a followup i was told i cant know already. Director hicks can provide a brief response. And the reason why the occ cannot tell you whether or not discipline has been imposed on an officer is because of state law, not because of local law. Not because of the charter, but because the state law. Speaker im aware of that. But the problem is why arent you advocating to change that. You can say we cant change it. But every one of you has a voice to advocate changing that. And if all of you wrote a letter signed by all of you saying this is absurd and its absurd they have their own bill of rights. Its the most ridiculous document they have their own rights. Why should they be hidden. This didnt give us a chance to review anything. Very disturbing. I would hope some of you might say ill write that letter. Right now would be a good time if you want to let us know that you would advocate that. Because we need to know that something is being done. Its absurd i can make a report and i never know what happens. Its 1984. It doesnt mean anything. Ive witnessed it and i watched him abuse her. And that cop thank you. Thank you for your comments. Sergeant, stop the clock. We cant do that. The whole commission would be interviewing to the chief and i havent heard. Its not a small committee. Everybody will interview everybody. Thank you for your comments. Next speaker. Thank you. Speaker thank you for reminding me. Its a long night and i appreciate everything that has been happening here because the same [inaudible] of life is something we need to look into. I wouldnt be here if i didnt have him up there always kind of getting in my ear and talking to me. I mean, i have a personal feeling about all this. When i see people die like bicyclist or anybody, when it comes to death, woods, theres no statute of limitation when it comes to murder, but when theres a statute of limitation when it comes to Police Holding evidence having to do with a crime, there should be no statute of limitation. Theres two different type of laws going on here. She can look into murder, which it is. And she can have it looked into. You know, when i see the bicyclist die, there should be a green lane right out front here and it should go all the way to the Golden Gate Bridge and it should be two lanes of bicycle traffic and it should be something we look to. One place for the bicyclist and the rest of the cars wouldnt have to worry about them being on their street. They should be exempt from street and it should be a green lane going to the golden state bridge. When i was directing traffic on the night of the earthquake and that should be the way that the Fire Department gets to the fire because there was no way for the Fire Department to get to the fire and i was directing traffic at broadway and it was necessary to be there. An officer said get out the street and an old lady said get out there. We directed the traffic and wait one second. Your two minutes are up. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. I said, go, go. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. Thank you. Do we have another speaker. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. I appreciate your comments. Next speaker. Good evening, and welcome. Thank you, sir. Next speaker. Speaker good evening, commissioners. My name is spana and i lived in the United States for since i was age 11. I wanted to bring a couple of points i want to address. It concerns a neighbor in my district. One is a krument from the chief and one for the Police Officers. If you want to improve the relations with the community you have to hire within. I was a High School Counselor for over 16 years and most of the kids who wanted to pursue a job with police enforcement, they would tell me they were fair. They felt they were afraid from joining the force. On behalf of my neighbors, we dont feel that were protected other than the fact when theres an actual shooting, so for me to walk down the street and not feel protected like my fellow neighbors is of concern. In my district, they had been five killings. And i hate to mix politics with community, but im running for office and one of the things that i think about all the time is what is the Police Commission going to do about the five killings. If in terms of hiring, we dont look at culture competency, were never going to get anywhere. Im in support of john avalos stand on i also see your point and i see the point of my neighbors, but i wanted to bring to your attention that community is watching and the folks who are coming in as new recruitments for the board of supervisors, theyre keeping an eye on the stuff youre making, and the regulations youre giving out to the folks. Thank you. Speaker thank you, sir. Any further Public Comment. Good evening, welcome. Good evening, my name is mary harris and im president of the district 11 council. And i just wanted to make a few comments. I was at the cpad meeting. When it was taken out of order. I wasnt able to hear the discussion. So i might be a little off base, but basically were disappointed the council, were a 12home Organization Speaker can you pause. I dont know if someone looking into that, but theres feedback. Maybe the other microphone might be better. We need to turn that on. Well hold your time. Do you want to try that mic. Its not working. Give us a minute. So were 12 neighborhood organizes and we would like to have a discussion at our council about his reform. To have input into it. So we feel like we were slightly disrespcted and not having input into it because we have a very good working relationship with both our captains, mac fadden and we dont want to see demoralizing things to our officers. We feel this commission is going to look into timely reporting and metrics for use of force, ctis cit, sorry, and body cameras. We think youre moving along in the right direction. And we dont think im glad to see lower the amount from 200 million which was ridiculous to 100 million, but its still way out of line and out of proportion. We wanted to say that we think this is a little bit premature without Community Discussion and he didnt have a Community Discussion on this. I want to say before my time is up, that i hope that chief will apply for the permanent job. I think youre the best man we can possibly ever have. And im just saying that right now. Right out front. And i like to also invite you all to National Night out. August 2nd of course you know from 5 00 to 8 00 and the rec center is at capital and montana. We would love to see you stop by. Thank you so much. Thank you for your comments. Public comment is closed. Commissioner de jesus it looks like preliminary things are going on with the chief. Well interview the chief. The second thing is there was a bill 1286 sent by mark leno to open up the police records, but thats on hold. Thats not making its in the senate and its not going through right now. Senator delano has been working on that bill. The third thing is District Attorney i think i dont want to tell you how to do your job, but if hes making allegations, this is something you want to investigate. Its something you might want to look into because these are serious allegations if youre telling the community that. I think thats an important point to clarify. The request is this commission immediately do an investigation and i think part of what was clarified is this commission itself doesnt conduct investigates. It with be an investigation by the internal affairs. Given its a pending even here tonight, it appears the District Attorney made officer conduct. I dont know if the City Attorney wants to advise us theres limitation to what we can talk about and what we can do based on the law. Im agreeing with you. Im meeting with the da tomorrow. His version of the command staff and my version of the command staff. What happens in these forums arent said. Sometimes theres a miss communication. Im not going to react from it until hearing from the District Attorney. You can provide whatever you can provide to this Commission Given there was expecting what can be shared will go a long way. If theres agreement if something is cleared up and that statement is withdrawn, we should let folks know. Anything further. Speaker just i want to make sure im correct on this with both of you. Theres three ongoing investigations into this manner. Theres a da investigation and internal investigation and its occ investigation, right. Speaker correct. Speaker theyre still ongoing. Am i correct here . Speaker there was a complaint made. They are looking theyre ongoing. Speaker theyre still ongoing. And okay. I want to make sure thats clear to everybody. Speaker just for the record, the group filed a motion before the occ initiative was passed about the investigation in the officer involved shooting. That group stated they did file a complaint with the office of citizen complains which drew them into this case. That additional investigative piece is in progress as well. Speaker dr. Hicks did you want to comment . Yes, president loftus , thats correct. Thats an open investigation into the officer involved investigation into lopez and the speakers, we have met with the speakers. Just one more. This happens a lot, and i think we are to explain this, i think efficiently. The commission cant comment, individual commissions cant comment because these matters may come before us for discipline and were bound we cant say anything and i keep i say that to people over and over again despite what we want to say, we cant say it because we have the as a disciplinary body, were bound to be silent because we dont want to be recuesed if someone comes before us as being president ial. Thank you, commissioners. The one thing occurred to me on item 1d, on this matter is chief, it seems as though it might be useful when theres an officer involved shooting, theres a lots of discussion over the facts, we might want to consider it in your chiefs report given an update and time and distance and creating a perimeter. That was difficult to do on Market Street and i know it sounds as though a number of the things this commission and the department were working on were illustrated today. Apart of achieving change is talking about it when it works. If were able to, next week, i think that would be wonderful for everyone to learn the thats a suggestion for next week if possible. And then sergeant before we call the next line item given the late hour. Its 9 20. Were going to take a 5minute bathroom break and be back at 9 25 where well take up general Public Comment on any items ladies and gentlemen, were back in session. If you could please take your seats. Commissioner loftus were back on the record. Speaker item 3, Public Comment. The public can address the within the commission. Speakers shall address the commission as a hole and not to individual commissions or department or occ personnel. Under Police Commission rules of order under Public Comment presented by the public. Individual commissioners and police and occ personnel should refrain from entering into debates or discussions with the public. Please limit your comments to two minutes. Speaker is this working now. Speaker yeah. Were san franciscans for police ability. We believe the use of force policy recently adopted is inadequate. That the process was chaotic, and that need to confer with the pe the commission blew it. Im kol comment on the use of force compared to the 1995 use of force. The 1995 use of force was a clearer more compact policy document. It already had minimal force language with a shell clause that said quote the use of physical force shall be restikted to circumstances authorized by law. And to the degree minimally necessary to accomplish a Lawful Police task. The 1995 use of force also had a language on unnecessary use of force absent in the new policy. It says in part, quote, when any degree of force is utilized as summary punishment or vin intelligence, its improper and unlawful. The bright lines in the new use of force qualified by when feasible language we see Little Movement towards transformational reform. Our next speaker is neisha, codirector of the le foundation. In the few seconds i have left, i like a moment of silence for alex and his family. Next speaker. Welcome back. I will comment on the process. On friday the meeting, the last minute version 2 b of use of force to stakeholders that would made this execution of alex mario, luis and jessica acceptable outcomes. 2b was discarded. It may have been fate by the poa to gain a bargaining position with stakeholders by making unreasonable demands and the Bar Association and the poa entered into maritime negotiations to friday 20 hours day to draw up the compromise version iii. We survived one hour before the Commission Meeting. An emergency stakeholder meeting before the hearing, there was much confusion. Even the commissioner who joined us had no idea which version will be discussed, but we were told there had been a last minute deal with the poa, a great deal for the community. The poa agreed verbally to give up the right to meet and confer on 80 of the version, 3 negotiators agreed on. However, the poa would try to meet and confer on the contested 20 . I want to take the rest of my time to honor the memory of perez lopez, one of you has admitted and you know who you are that you never heard of lopez, i hope you heard enough about lopez tonight. Thank you, next speaker. I will also comment on the process. The deal worked out with the Police Officers association was taunted as a Community Win because it avoided binding arbitration during which the poa might stall for a year. And in the end, get its way. The great deal about the commission to admittedly rollout 80 of the new ufo training for new Academy Classes with data collection, with an improved cit intervention, however, when the time came for the San Francisco Police Officers Association President , to go on record confirming the deal, he bocked. Only an hour before the meeting and hadnt read it fully. Since meeting being made available for review had been aggregated. He refusal to confirm the deal should have ended the adoption vote. Instead, Commission President loftus moved version three forward aggressively. Why . Because the commission and the mayor wanted headlines saying we did it. We have a brand new use of force. Better than the old one. But do we . I like to use the few seconds of my time to remember mario woods and his family who was killed by the sfpd of 2015. I would like to introduce the mother of gains killed by the officer joshua who was stationed at the Mission Police station now. Thank you, next speaker. Good evening, and welcome. Speaker thank you. My name is delores piper. Our Group Believes we to not have a better use of force policy. In its totality, the new use of force policy does not create a foundation for transformity reform. A short summary of our objections are, number one, it is 8 pages longer and less understandable than the 1995 version to an average Police Officer. Number two, we have less of a bright line for minimal use of force than in 1995. Number 3, language about unnecessary use of force and its consequences from 1995 are stripped out. Number 4, the quote when feasible with feasible defined as capable of being done without risk to officers neutralizes the improvements and leave a reasonableness standard in place. Number 5, an undefined quote critical Decision Making model end quote means near total officer discretion. And number 6, describes s and is a prescription for continued street executions. Number 7, a meet and confer with regard to vulnerable populations including children, the elderly, pregnant women, people with physical disabilities et cetera is unacceptable. Number 8, a meet and confer with regard to tasers and restraint is unacceptable. I have copies of the longer analysis to give you to commissioners and ill turn that over to the clerk. For my remainder of time, i want to remember luis. Next speaker. I want to talk about the role of the poa. We are san franciscans frs Police Accountability and we believe the commission made an error in allowing the poa be a party of the drafting to the use of force policies. The citys charters gives powers to set policies consistent with the overall objectives of the city and to prescribe any regulations you deem necessary. Nowhere are the words in partnership with the poa. In february, the aclu indicated changes in the use of force policy do not require a meet and confer process. The aclu cited Legal Process yet the commission allowed an adversary to develop between the stakeholders. This led to the 11th hour, poison pill poa draft 2 b followed by negotiating sessions resulting in the rushed adoption of version 3 to the use of force policy which is unacceptable to the communities and coalitions we represent. The raw political power of the poa is on display here as well as the that mart of this commission. Id like to have a moment of silence for Jessica Nelson williams killed by San Francisco police. Next speaker. Welcome and good evening. Good evening. Speaker San Francisco for Police Accountability believes the commission allowed a bullying reaction resisting transportation or reform to dominate the drafting of its use of force policy. This is unacceptable to san franciscans outraged by street executions, racist Text Messages and a long history of imputative. We urge the commission to distangle itself from its role via the poa and act as the charter intended as the soul, legitimate policy making body with authority over the sfpd. With the labor representative for Police Officers. The Commission Must reassert its authority and decide with inter Legal Council if necessary just what it will allow the poa to be meet and confer on and what it will not. If the commission cannot reestablish its appropriate authority in the policy realm, well be one of Many Organizations asking the mayor and the supervisors to appoint a commission with more legitimacy. It must be a priority for the commission. And id like to have a moment of silence for evans. Thank you, next speaker. San franciscans hope to work with the commission, but will remain vigilant and focus on the imperative thats reform. The sfpa ongoing expectations are as follows. We expect to participate in meeting as one representative the community regardless of what your loose definition is. We have met it. We expect to make policy, not the poa. We expect a short time table for legal necessary and only legally necessary meet and confer negotiation was the poa. We expect multimonth according to data and so forth. They take all these initiative and lay them out in a format follow and predicted in terms of outcomes and expect things to happen. We expect its were not going to hire a cops cop as the poa likes to put it. We want to community chief who represents more than what the poa wants. Most importantly we expect and demand sfpd department racist acts and the culture of imputative. Id like to pause to remember herbert and philly mona. Next speaker. The use of force policy approved by unanimous vote by this Commission Two weeks ago was approved under conditionings of fraud and duress. The appeals to the poa requesting whether or not they would compel a meet and confer process, conditioned the approval of an undisclosed, unworked and terrible use of force policy. I quote the conditions under which a Police Officer may kill management decision and formation left to the appropriate representatives of the people whose lives and safety are directly effected by such actions. This comes from the san jose Police Officers association verses the city of san jose. A controlling case the Police Association has no grounds for use of force. These processes must be ended immediately pursuant to state law. Further more, the Human Resources representative from the officer of the mayor and the city made the point shell be willing to meet and confer on disciplinary issues. Thats in a holding way 2006 supreme court. The basis of the case is studying whether officers conduct racial profiling and their Officers Association says if theyre found to be racist the will of San Francisco says killer cops and racist cops need to go. Thats the will of the people whether or not it was represented by any stakeholders. I like to take my last moments to honor benson. Rest in power. Speaker any further comment. I one able to attend the last meeting. My name is magic, but i sent an email through the sergeant and she did her best to get it to you, but i dont think its right we cant contact you directly. I would imagine the poa can call you or text you at any time and you get back to them. We can go through the secretary and then to you. If youre willing to share your emails or your phone numbers so we can get directly in touch with you, that would be a Public Servant like the board of supervisors does. If you got overwhelmed, you can communicate that. I understand that. That doesnt mean you cant be accessible. I think thats wrong. Also i would challenge not only that what happened at the last meeting was wrong, but illegal. We have the right in the democracy to see the material before a public meet happens so its supposed to be printed it. You didnt have time to review it. What are we making a decision about. You didnt read it and we didnt read it, and you voted unanimously. That doesnt sound like democracy. I would say what happened was illegal and we have to start fresh. Thank Police Officer after Police Officer have meetings which was contentious to say we care about life and its crossed off, crossed off. This cannot be okay. Im challenging you and i want an answer to whether you think this was legal and where the city i dont think that was democracy. Speaker any further comment on this matter. Hi, commissioners. Im david carlos, one of the founding members of the San Franciscos accountability and not withstanding what was set up here, et cetera. The community is not on board with the new use of force. And so were at the point of making a decision as to what were going to do about the fact were on board with the use of force. The process as we have told you was chaotic. The product was not something the community is buying into and the role of the Police Officers association in our minds is clearly beyond the pale and legally. Given the precedent in san jose and in another Bay Area Community that escapes me at the time in 1978 and they wrote a letter on january 27th, the fact that the poa had its big flat feet in the middle of these negotiations is something we may choose to litigate. Im giving you a heads up that could be coming down the pike. Were a new organization. You dont know us too well, but let me assure you, we have a lot of mental horse power on our side and dedication to these issues and youre going to continue to hear from us and were going to be a thorn in your side until things start to move in the direction that i think that all san franciscans want which is towards the direction of transformation reform. Were no longer going to accept the kinds of reform that has happened in the past where nice things get written on pieces of paper, but nothing changes in the street. Were not going to accept it anymore. Youll hear more from us. We hope to be in the next staker holder meeting and were deciding what were going to do at our next meeting as far as moving forward on the use of force. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker. Any further Public Comment. General Public Comment. Tom, june 23rd, the day after the last meeting here in city hall, cheri gross interviewed a man from the new York Magazine who did an article on guns and when you have a gun, you tend to become more paranoid and tense and expectation of something bad, explosive force of explosive fuse, more likely to be quickly lit. Is i would like a new program with volunteers of officers have not fired a bullet and i would like them to team up in twoperson teams for six months. At the end of two months, i would like to see a trainee, if these guys can say its durable and i think it is durable, i would like them to take a third person, a trainee who has been trained and has to be trained to wear a belt and to go out there and see how it is not to wear a belt. And then i would like after two months of that, i would like to see men and women who have been in the police force that are struggling a little bit mentally, emotionally, whatever with family, whatever. To work with these veterans that have said we can get buy without a belt. Youve got the most powerful weapon on you. Its the radio microphone. You can call for a gun. You can call for john wayne. I believe the Police Personnel will be happier, well be Better Police and better people and well be better in their family if they can take a vacation from their gun belt. Were not trying to deescalate the entire police force. I think it will work. We want to give it a shot and during the course of the year, they can take their belts off. Any further Public Comment. Im going to apologize. When it comes to salary and taking it away, it wouldnt be too nice. What they did to ross was very wrong. I mean, when you talk about Domestic Violence and having the person be ruined, being rosss wife because she never intended to ruin rosss career and spend millions of dollars to ruin rosss career was wrong. And he was a good cop. Even though hes not. But when it comes to these things, when i see the girl dies in the golden gate park, she was the age of my daughter and they had the same name, heather. Woods looks like my nephew. Hes the same age and hes into ballet. I dont want that to be held against him in any way ever because hes one of the prime hes one of the best ballet people i have seen. I seen him in the mission and i promote him because hes the best. And i appreciate this forum. To be able to speak here. Its like going to church, you know, when i see these a priest speak here, its like going to church. When i get to go to church another time i was and it had to do with indians having to do with their pow wow out there on thanks give and it was like going to church in a cathedral. Its a forum were appreciative, all these people here. As few as they are at midnight particularly. I call myself the unknown comic because we need speaker thank you, sir. Speaker is there any further general comment. Hearing none. Public comment is now closed. I just would want to provide a few responses. One is, the reason that the use of force policy was longer is people who have been following this for the last over six and a half months weve endeavored this rather than have three separate policy one which was use of force and use of fire thats confusing to officers. It isnt as if the 8page initial use of force went to 17 pages so add language. It was a recommendation from the United States department of justice to combine those and so for folks that are watching at home, the other thing is you know, i couldnt disagree more what we passed was is worse or not forward thinking compared to the 1995 use of force. I think we do have we did get feedback not only from various stakeholders from the department of justice, we had an antiquated use of force that didnt callout deescalation. There was an initial sentence using the word minimal force, but not threaded through the policy. And that was tie identified as a deficiency. I want to clarify one piece. Both 2 b and 3 both versions included the language shall when feasible. And 2 b was the before version 3 was recommended by all of the Community Stakeholders as the better version. That language remained the same in 2 b and 3 shall when feasible or safe to do so and that was a result of the multiple conversations with stakeholders. I would also say that the critical Decision Making model is a concept that has come up over and over again from the Police Executive reform report on reengineering use of force. It was put in there at the question of de jesus that it calls out an it provides a way for officers to think about it. Its not a step backward. The meet process what we did at the advice of commissioner hwang is to have Human Resources explain the charter laws and the with regard to rights conferred to public employee, specifically around safety because if you dont like nose rules theres ways to deal with that. Theres state laws which govern and so what the acla under indicated they were happy to hear from dhr at our last meeting, was that dhr view their commission as their commission as their dhr proceeds with the negotiations and in order for any changes to be made, they would be have to proved by this commission. I wanted to clarify that. I also want to say that part of what we did and i called this ou at our last meeting, this has been a six and a half month process. Some can argue challenging because we have invited so many voices in and had so many conversations. We had conversations in january led by our Community Safety initiatives. We sought input from the coalition on homelessness, its office of citizen complaints, our mental and our cit mental group, the das office and Blue Ribbon Panel on transparency. Not only the poa, but and so this commission through the whole process has endeavors to make sure we have voices, but at some point you have to make a decision on the policy. I dont want anyone thinking new policies were made. We talked there was not a single point that was not brought up in either a use of force meeting in january, addressed by the department of justice addressed in the number of times addressed in the two public hearings that we had on this matter before we voted. To the extent to which the law requires the following, we cant take action on something without it being agenized. We cannot act on documents. We cannot act on documents we havent shared once we get them. Apart of that process was clear and we did hear from the office of citizens complaints and the Bar Association, there was last minute negotiations they had in works with the poa and presented a third version and that was explained no new concepts were brought in, but did you have language was discussed and this commission had time to read it and go over it, a number of discussions happened that night. But the question is after 6 and a half months with after six and a half months of thoughtful discussion and a lot of input, the commission acted after a significant deliberation and so i want to clarify those points based on some of the issues that were brought up. Xigser de jesus. Commissioner de jesus. Im happy to sit and talk to you because i dont see the same policy. Its really important to analyze and real the report because a lot was taken. Its march of 2016 report, a lot of the new contents and language was taken from the report and case law. We relied on the case law. We struck the tasers, we we held onto the shooting at cars. If you look at it, it doesnt say it has the same concept of preserving human life. We actually say in here that were holding them to a higher standard. The law is the grand versions conner case which talks about reasonableness. It could be reasonable. We say in this policy were going to hold you to a higher standard. Its something the law provides Police Officers. If you recall section 835 says they can stand their ground and defend them self. Thats the law. We cannot change the law. Thats why we have when feasible because theyre entitled under the law and to penal code section 835. You need to look at that. The language we chose was very calculated and we had been working as a group through that friday and monday. They made changes and they move things around. All the crossed out section, they moved them around so theyre more consistent. Thats a very important use of force document. Im happy to go with you because i dont read it the way youre reading it. Its an important document and it raises the standard and it does preserve the we took out the tasers. You know, we did a lot of things and we did it within the understanding of what the law says and what the policies are Going Forward. So as i hear about the policy, i talked to a lot of people that like it. And thats the way they feel. Ive sat down folks just because of the work i do, analyze it and they say they actually said they like it. So i just want to point out that just like youre pointing out you dont feel that way. I have a number of people who say they like it and appreciate it. I want to add that to the mix also. Speaker the last thing, the poa, the city has to meet with the Police Department poa and anything regarding working conditions, they have to do that. It comes back here. We need to safeguard what we did. If it needs to go to arbitration, so be it. Thats my position. Thank you colleagues. Sergeant, please call the next line item. Item 4 Public Comment and all matters pertaining to item 6 below on closed six whether to hold item 6 in closed section. Speaker in advance into well have Public Comment on this bodys going into closed session. Good evening. Speaker yeah, good evening, commissioners. The case youre going into closed session about involves officer joshua. Okay. You know, we know officer josh beal as the shooter who shot the son of the members of our coalition. Were extremely displease wd the type of lateral hires that the San Francisco police does. One thing that the panel does is brought to the is that the hiring process is veiled in a nobody on my side of this podium knows exactly who does the hiring, how its done. Were told its being done by a cabal of old sfpd retired officers. I have heard they get a stipend in addition to their very generous retirement package for doing this kind of work and they time hire shooters from other districts. This is outside of any realm of justifiable policy or actions by sfpd. Not only in the case of officer joshua beal and we brought to in commission, a write up on him done by miller. And not only officer beal, but the shooters in the mario woods case from what youre doing in your next session, youre going to be talking about the officer beal lawsuit, and its consequences. These Police Officers are very expensive to San Francisco not only on a bottom line, but the violence they do in our community. This has to stop. Next speaker. Tom, transparency. Closed sessions. A community. Its code the blue code. We need a community, a healthy community. The more closed sessions that we have whether its here or board of supervisors, we dont know how were advised. We need a little bit more openness. Probably a lot more openness. I think it will help everybody. Thank you. Next speaker. Welcome back. Trevor is a good kid. I have written an article. He was beaten by a lateral hall. Josh currently working in the Mission District and killer of the delores nephew gains. He was the spokes woman for the department for this recent incident that acting chief chaplin came from today. So shes a spokes woman now that shes under litigation for beating an unarmed civilian. He was beaten by Vice President of the Police Commission of San Francisco. On this agenda here, its listed as Public Comment on all matters pertaining to item 6 including whether to hold item 6 in closed session although you by saying before we enter closed session. So if youre going to take the position of holding these matters of vital public interests in closed session, i want you to very clearly do that and i want you to do that in the presence of delores piper, the great aunt of piper. Do these for these cameras and let the public know your anti social disposition because these are tony monday toy yall must be fired and joshua must be fired and still should be found liable for murder. Thank you, mr. Miller. I think youre correct. I did miss speak. This is Public Comment whether to hold item 6 in closed session. Is there additional Public Comment on this matter. Public comment is closed. Speaker item 5 whether to assert the Attorney Client privilege with regard to item 6a, San Francisco administrative code section 67. 10 action. Speaker colleagues do i have a motion on whether to hold item 6 in closed session. So moved. Speaker second. Speaker all those in favor. Speaker those opposed. Motion passes. clappin start by welcoming our San Francisco mayor ed lee. clapping. and next, we welcome our retiring be airport director john martin. clapping. and please welcome our newly appointed director art. clapping. all right. Were also going to invite a couple members of the gail Labor Council please welcome shelly kessler. clapping. representing the sgerm broadly from oregon jeff and tina smith. clapping. representing the terminal one c project terminal one central john and pencil phelps. clapping. from the new broadly the design belt ralph. clapping. from construction management. Okay. Well pause for a moment to take photos and let those gentlemen take us away. yeah . All right. Ed come on down. Yeah. clapping. yeah. There we go. Yeah. All right. clapping. tin in a. Come john all right. clapping. there we go there we go. Yeah. clapping. all right. I need to get the range and the colors so sorry i see it down here you know, before we get started it is just a appropriate to recognize the suffering that is going on from the terrorist attack yesterday ami id like to offer a moment of silence for the victims and families before we start the program silence thanks so thank you for everyone being here with us today and i particularly like to acknowledge special guests first linda linda our Vice President of the Airport Commission so glad to you have you with us today. clapping. and we have representatives from congresswoman Jackie Spiers office thank you for being here raise your hand glad to have you here. clapping. and welcome the members of the san mateo Labor Council we share a Strong Partnership in all say programs and representatives from the any design and construction firms that is will guarantee the successful delivery this project and so god to