To work and expand the city economy not just the tenants in the city we want to grow in the city and rent control eventually should be out. And the rent will be down and everybody can rent their house and the tenants, you know, can rent their houses easy and they move out and they move away this is the big picture i think thank you. Thank you very much. Next speaker hello, everybody he speak english maybe i speak cantonese i need a translator. speaking foreign language. ms. Young shes a small Property Owner living in a top opt and renting out illegal unit the tenant has not been paying rent for 2 most and shes been kind and trying to let them stay in the unit but up to a point she may have to start doing evictions and the ellis act maybe the way and with the relocation fee its hard almost impossible to get the renter out this is a hardship for her and on the case that this law and many, many rent control lazy are harsh it small Property Owners she feels like shes living in communist china and hope youll help us get on to our lives. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker. Supervisors im flip im strongly against this legislation. Im also a mom and pop landlord. And hardships to landlords tenants dont have a monopoly on hardships. Supervisor campos talked about the big picture i commend him trying to solve the issue but the mom and pop landlord didnt create the problem yet were the ones be punished the most. In fact, in my case ive dont like to use the word but ive been subsidizing my tenants and ive let that for a period of time. One day i may want to decide i dont want to be a landlord anymore and i may want to sell the place or do someone else. I dont know if any business where you are forced to stay in that business or if you leave that business your berntd financially. Im forced to remain a landlord to stay away from the fees. Theres got to be a better way a better way to solve the big picture without attacking the most vulnerable landlords who are the mom and pops. Were the ones with the longterm tenants and were the wonls if we like our tenants we let them stay there and not have the old homes were the ones that spend all the money to maintain them. Theres got to be a better way thank you. Next speaker. And ill call another card what a process this is my first time. I wanted to you wish i was any kind of landlord a mom and pop anything but im not. But my grandfather left russia and they took three houses away from him and made him fix them up and he decided to go to freedom he went to iran. The ellis act is a dirty word is a way of freedom out for some people who in the morning want to be landlord and to keep pitting fees on p them an unreasonable. As the young lady said its definitely a smack of totalitarian regime. So far as the unintended consequences people who are perhaps thinking of selling their building 2, 3, 4 or 5 years or leave the building to their children theyre going to ellis act and do it now youre going to see a unintended spike in the ellis act. Its also too, you know, harassing as many landlords spoke theyre not the weighing it you have to consider a different perimeter for the kind of buildings that you would consider. Many of my clients cant afford statute of limitation r sfaiment homes and two or three of them get together and buy a little and only can buy a vacant building. You cant penalize those people theirs not the woeth it thats my 0. 02 thank you very much. Next speaker. Hi, im a small Property Owner and move forward to United States more than thirty years ago so i was to excited at that time to move to the freedom country so i plan for my futures for me and my family i work two or three jobs so we owned the property its a singlefamily im not rich but as you know as a landlord here the income can barrel cover mortgage. A property tax and we have to come up for maintenance actually were not have actual money from the rental the only thing we pay more so if i want to get the property back from my son the landlord is penalized the small Property Owner. So i really, really it is unfair to the small Property Owner. Thank you. Thank you very much. Next speaker. Thank you. I just want to know what the definition of a hardship is. When i first bought any property here i was working 6 to 7 hours a day have to 7 hours a week day and 14 hour days to buy a property which i ended up im sorry. Im a little bit nervous to submit someone for the rent i was collecting i get rid of it i couldnt afford the payments. Then i bought any Second Property the same thing im working my butt off to try to save and hopefully collect rent i dont expect to collect Social Security but it took me 18 years to break even on the costs including insurance and maintenance and everything right now, im breaking even and now youre going to smack another fee and i have to pay whatever the difference is for two more months even though im subsidizing these guys for years its not right or fair whats our definition of hardship me sending my kids out to a Public School or someone who is spending 5 weeks out of the year their easterner 1,000 a year or working under the table on the market collecting payments from the government and collecting under the table money. What do you consider hardship whats considered intangibles how that that i have to put in thank you, mr. Turning. Thank you with the coalition for better housing. I want to discuss the hardship you talked about mr. Wiener. I find it distressing when we talk about the hardship for the Property Owners its called waste of time. It maybe symthat there are many, many evictions going on and he appreciate that but we need to do it in a fairway and having people feel bad about discussing is it not good. We spent last week listening to people make fun of other people in the room and the constituencies and the people they represent. Whats appropriate for a fair and equitable way to address the hardship issue to be found for both landlords and tenants and as you stated the applications for those hardships should be similar and consider the same things obviously for someone who owns a property especially mom and pop owners overtime their retirement is the property. And that needs to be take into account. I appreciate your work and hope we can find an answer to the issue thank you. Next speaker. Im going to speak for a lot of people asianamerican voters that we are comprised of chinese preps o small Property Owners. Ellis act relocation fee really hurts the small Property Owners the most because it will confiscate one of the two ways left to keep our property living in the top opt and representing the bottom unit and with the mayors suspension of removing illegal unit we cant, you know, get the illegal unit back anymore equipping expect with the ellis act. And people who relocate to another city with the illegal unit that mr. Chiu proposed when i do an o m i you can only get think the one floor but not the lower unit the ellis act is the only ways to get back bottom floor. And you live in one unit and rent the others we have to ellis act to get back the other floors. At this its mind boggling f it in any circumstance during retirement or volunteers or death bankruptcy or out of business or probate issue or inheritance issue we cant do the ellis act. Were not able to dispose our property its costly to our lives. Most of the times thank you. Thank you and also being penalized. Thank you. Ms. Thank you everyone gets the same amount of time. Its hard to get many thank you. Everyone gets the same amount of time the same appreciate it. I just wanted to testify we get some testimony about evictions in this ceremony we heard were in the midget of a eviction epidemic from last week to this week and the ellis act is the driver and if were in the city and county of San Francisco the ellis act itself would be readily by a landslide of the voters and held by the majority vote of the board of supervisors were talking about relocation should the law exist at all and it shouldnt. And paying relocation to utilize the ah, ah ellis act it should have been passed by the board already any additional comment on item number 5. Yes. Im sorry you spoke already its on, on issue. Each person gets the same amount of time any Public Comment on item 5 seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Commenting thank you. I know that some of the folks we had last week arent here but i was wondering if mop has the vibrations ellis act think two unit buildings from the city. I know we got a survey last week. Im sorry no, no i actually wanted real numbers so not just antidoteal evidence i know there was a survey done on the ellis act anti mapping project i was wondering if anyone had information on two unit buildings from the Previous Year by either the rent board if anyone has that information. Okay im sure thats objectionable. I would be curious my sense from the data presented last week that most ellis act are not in the buildings of that size and the vast majority are done by corporations and we have an option for owner move in and ellis act is not the only way if you truly want to live in the building thats another way to do the evictions. Im sorry this is not a discussion i thought it was a comment i wanted to make that t is maybe we can get the information between that and land use today so we can get an understanding. This is not a decision please. I want to get information on the point you brought up to see the data behind it. To the members of the public we have given the same amount of time for everyone. I want to learn more about the breath of the comments. So i just want to say well, first of all, a motion . Ill make a motion to forward this with recommendations. Okay. So the motion by supervisor kim is to forward item 5 to the positive recommendations i will be supporting the motion. As i said last week, i still actually remember when we passed the voters the passed the ellis act relocation to 52 hundred and looking at where the rents are could i in the city boy have time changed in the city. I know that heard a week going goes by where i dont hear about a new ellis act in my district not only other district but they really raise again, i mentioned one particular landlord is ellis act 4 different buildings and just about every ellis act eviction i hear about seniors in the building and those are longterm tenants i dont want to deny congratulate the concerns that have been raised especially by small Property Owners and we need to strike a balance there can be a lot of the views about the balance but we have a major problem its not just ellis act evictions and mop who says solve the ellis act and it will solve everything not see were in a boarder issue when the rents are 3,000 a month and people need to a move for all sorts of reasons and people who have to move theyre in trouble. I do want to say that i take issue with first of all, the claim that weve heard last week coming close to denying the existence of the mom and pop theres a range i take issue. I take issue with the claim if you Start Talking about the details of the legislation youre denying the core of the legislation or you shouldnt be talking the details i think its our responsibility as a committee to probe into the big picture of the legislation and the way the legislation is going to be administered and the detailed thats our job at the San FranciscoLand Use Economic Development committee so i did impress concerns about the delegation to the rent board especially the rent board is not telling us how 80 that process is going to happen. Im concerned that the author of the legislation is not tlilz what theyre going to do and ive impressed concern about the delegations of the controller of delegations under mr. Egging on as had that in writing so no legislation is perfect and this is certainly no exception to the rule but its appropriate to increase the relocation payment for people evicted under the ellis act so ill be supporting that. So colleagues theres a motion to forward to the full board that positive recommendation commissioners, can we take this without objection . That will be the order. Madam clerk, any other business before this theres no further business. Then we are adjourned good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. And welcome to the march 24th, 2014 meeting of the city and county of San Franciscos Small Business commission. The meeting is called to order at 2 06 p. M. Well conduct a roll call. Commissioner adams . Here. Commissioner dooley . Here. Commissioner dwight . Here. Commissioner yee riley . Here. Commissioner white . We have one commissioner absent, commissioner ortizcartagena, bringing us to item 2 general Public Comment, Public Comment pore this item and all other Public Comment periods in the meeting is is will limited to 3 minutes perspeaker unless otherwise established by the presiding officer of the meeting. Completion of a speaker card while optional will help ensure proper spelling of speakers names in the meeting. Please deliver the speaker cards to the Commission Secretary before approaching the lectern. Any members of the public who wish to comment on any item not on todays agenda . Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Next item, please. Item 3 approval of the february 24, 2014 regular meeting minutes. This is an action item. Move to approve. Second. All in favor . Aye. Next item. Item 3 passs with 5 votes in favor, none opposed. Item 4 approval of the march 5 2014 special meeting annual retreat minutes this. Is an action item. Thank you for getting these done. Move to approve. Second. All in favor . Aye. Item passes 5 votes in favor, none opposed. Item 5, discussion and possible action to make recommendations to the board of supervisors on file no. 140122, planning and building codes, fee waiver program, Small Business month, may, 2014. This is a discussion and possible action item and we have with us ashley summers, legislative aide to supervisor katy tang to present the item. Great. Welcome. Thank you very much and good afternoon, commissioners. So this will be our third year doing this program. The Small Business month for permitted issues in may for awning replacements and pedestrianlevel lighting and this is in recognition of Small Business month and to support businesses to improve their facade. In 2012 ten businesssapplied for the fee waiver and four businesss applied for signage. In 201,11 businesssapplied and were encouraged by the steady numbers and with enough outreach well hope even more take advantage of the opportunity. To spread the word of the upcoming fee waiver our notice has informed the board of supervisors offices and coordinated with agencies. Additionally we have translate on the other hand materials into three languages, english, spanish and chinese and our office personally will do merchant works to reach out to businesses that could take advantage of this opportunity, particularly giving them enough advance notice to prepare for do this in may. The Planning Department is also recommending that the ordinance be changed to a permanent fee favor for Small Business month and so neuter well not need to pass annual legislation and hoping that this commission will