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Now i have become death, the destroyers of worlds, whether this is true or not is not entirely clear, but the scene is present in the latest biopic about siege bombs. And although he never felt guilty about participating in the Nuclear Project after the bombing of japan oppenheimer became a supporter of the nonuse of Nuclear Weapons and, together with albert einstein, founded the bulletin of atomic scientists. It is a magazine and organization to warn humanity about the dangers of Nuclear Weapons. He later openly opposed the nuclear race and the creation of a Hydrogen Bomb in the ussr after the first tests. The first of Nuclear Weapons and its creator, andrei sakharov, became a consistent fighter for peace and advocated the abandonment of nuclear tests. According to his calculations, the explosion of a onemegaton thermonuclear charge. Capable of taking life more than six and a half thousand people over 8,000 years. All this is supposedly due to the mutations that radiation causes in the mid fifties against the background of the increase. Nuclear tests in london, an antiwar appeal by russell einstein was published in which scientists warned the public about the catastrophic consequences of using the Hydrogen Bomb and the need to consolidate the Scientific Community to prevent a Global Nuclear war, the manifesto was signed by 11 worldfamous scientists, who later united in the pagush Movement Scientists for peace were led by british physicist and radio biologist joseph roth. Back in the forties, he worked on the Manhattan Project. But soon realizing the possible consequences of using a bomb, he left it and became an active peacemaker. The conference marked the beginning of regular meetings, largely thanks to them , the moscow treaty of 1963 appeared, and the ban on testing Nuclear Weapons in the atmosphere, space and under water, as well as the treaty on the proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. And the limitation of sampling systems in the mid seventies of the ussr and the usa was achieved Nuclear Parity , the spouses julius and the rosenberg hotel contributed to this by transferring the secret of the nuclear bean to moscow. They believed that the presence of these weapons was destructive. Only one state. The usa will lead to a global catastrophe. Did rosenberg become the only civilians executed in the United States for spying during the cold war . And we remember the torment of niels bohr and other founders of the atomic era not only because the world is again actively talking about the prospects of Nuclear Weapons. Interesting story. Happened with elon musk in a new book published recently by his biographer Walter Isaacson claims that last year the entrepreneur refused to activate his starling over crimea because he learned that the ukrainians were going to use it to attack the Russian Black Sea fleet. Musk was afraid of nuclear war and sin. I didnt want to take my soul. I created starlink so people could relax , watch netflix movies and play video games. I didnt want to create something that could cause a nuclear war, musk allegedly said , then true musk according to the same biographer. I simply decided to transfer control; yamal did not sign up for this to the pentagon. Why do i need war and this torment . Let the people in uniform answer themselves. No, not their collection, but in the case of an interesting area of modern innovation. And musk is a vivid example of this, always somewhere at the intersection with pr and show business. Fashionably stylish, youthful. And here you have the questions of war and peace , the dilemma of moral time. How does all this fit together now . Lets talk with welcome guest ivan danilin from mmo ivan hello, good afternoon, innovators. Now im generally concerned about ethical the side of activity, because it is still school and creative flight should irritate a little. Well, lets classify it a little. What is modern ethics . And ethics in science and technology in general. Well, especially the guilty ones. This means that there is such a good traditional block , this is what is called personal or public , these, when Scientists Say this is wrong. Yes, it does not correspond to religious, social or other International Political humanistic considerations. Well lets call it a dilemma oppenheimer in honor of the wonderful film that caused such controversy. Thats it, or its cold. Yes, somehow, so to speak, more than such a wellknown person in this field. That means the second piece. And this is when society, uh, including the notsorational part of it, says something, probably, science will soon kill or horns will grow. Yes , somehow well, the internet is killing your children absolutely yes, and immediately first it kills, then it corrupts, thats why the regulated one appears. Well, for example, the one that arose in the usa after table cells at the beginning two thousand years, when these studies were severely limited, because religious groups, a believed that it was wrong, but and so on, and there is a rather large block, uh, which uh. Now it is not justifiably considered to be called, more precisely, ethics in its purest form. Although in my opinion. Eh, its not like that, its a whole set of completely different things. Uh, first of all, this is precisely the innovation sphere, starting from popularization and propaganda. Well, our law prohibits all these things lgbt yeah, plus, that means gender and other issues and ending with geopolitics, that means, from a formal point of view, these are also, that is , people say, this is ethical there. This is unethical. But in fact, of course, there is ethics here too, but rather at the individual level, and in the larger world. What is called a new dimension of competition, that is, when you have some kind of product on the market, so to speak. First you compete on price, then on quality and some unusual customization. Yes, thats it, and then, well, thats it everywhere, everything is closed. And you begin to compete in some new areas, including ethics, yes, that is, you say, this is ethical, this is not ethical. Here i have it. Uh, just a second. Wait. This is about the same thing as blaming, i dont know the chinese, that they use child labor. Yes, yes , only at the commercial market level. That is , this is a country where we could blame the chinese, well, not us, but our partners who are not friendly competitors. Yes, that means they say that something is wrong with the chinese. This is such an inter country competition, but there is also such its quite internal there between startups and so on, where there is, then, there is competition, in terms of how ethically unethical the start is, and this concerns. How. As a matter of fact, some specific developments and organization of activities. Heres a colleague of mine who works at a canadian startup, and then we get in touch with him there. This is our former one. So to speak, compatriot. He will tell me that one of their main problems is that they have very few transgender people and other people in their startup, this is not ethical. Well, they can blame stop buying their product. Here they are now. Well, some time ago they were urgently looking for new employees in order to increase the socalled diversification of these. Yes, i dont ka no way. Understand correctly, i am not making fun of the problem itself to the point of saying that it really exists and needs to be solved. And, by the way, speaking, it makes sense for the soviet union to solve this problem too. That is, it really exists, well, its just that any problem taken to the point of absurdity turns into a farce in a certain sense of the word, so, and well there is, of course, purely international competition. Here, like some. Well, for example, these are about artificial intelligence. Yes on the one hand, this is a really significant problem. Well, that is, it is objective when we well, for example, as you remember, there was a joke about google, uh, one of their experiments, so to speak, with artificial intelligence, which turned out to be very russian, because it had the wrong choice and where it should have been given to the police. And even then there was a joke that the most cultishly honest american was googles artificial intelligence. This means that this problem has a technical regulatory nature, but when we reach some higher market level. Well, for example, international competition, then there are all these ethical codes that are developed by europe and the usa , for example, and within the framework of your seven there were documents and so on, the chinese are on the other side. Well, it also turns into, in fact , what is called a nontariff restriction, when well, essentially speaking, this is simply meant as a way to prevent a competitor from entering market. Although formal. I will repeat under each individual piece from this ethics. There are very real ethical issues there. Okay , but the incident that gave us the reason, yes, the discussion of this story, supposedly having starlink and mask , actually brings us back to more. Well, you can eat, so to speak, primitively. More basic food, that is, uh, the emergence of technologies that obviously increase the lethality of combat operations. And so, if such torment as physicists used to have, who realized that means nuclear energy, for example. With the advent of Nuclear Weapons, both american and soviet strategies wanted to understand the degree of impact of the damaging factors of Nuclear Weapons on the human body, the military was interested in the ability of troops to overcome the zone of a Tactical Nuclear explosion and then enter into battle, then they decided to conduct a test with the participation of people, the americans were the first from the fiftyfirst to fiftyseven years. Nine general exercises under the desert rock program were held at a Training Ground in nevada, which included more than 15 Nuclear Bombs of varying power up to 200 kt were detonated; the ability of troops to operate in the territory immediately after a Nuclear Strike was tested; soldiers and officers were at different distances, some twenty to thirty kilometers; others were sent directly to the epicenter ; at that time in the usa, radiation did not cause much fear in las vegas tourists even came to a large city closer to the nevada test site. To see the Nuclear Mushroom mushroom with our own eyes in september fifty four, similar maneuvers were carried out on totsky Training Ground in the orenburg region , the idea of the exercise was to break through the enemys Tactical Defense with the use of atomic weapons, both defense and attack were practiced with a bomb equivalent to 44 k tons. A bomber was dropped. Tu4 explosion occurred at an altitude of 350 m above the ground. This was followed by artillery preparation and the advance of Ground Troops through the epicenter , followed by tanks and infantry in armored personnel carriers. The soldiers were wearing gas masks and Chemical Protection suits, for the party using the explosion it turned out to be quite safe, as they said in the report, low levels of radiation in the area of an atomic strike, during an air explosion allow troops to overcome it immediately after the explosion of an atomic bomb, a second exercise using. The test of faithful ammunition took place in the ussr on september 10, 1956 at the semipalatinsk Training Ground. This was a helicopter landing of a parachute battalion following an atomic strike, then an airnuclear explosion with a power of 38 kt was carried out at this point the program of combined arms exercises using Nuclear Weapons in the ussr was completed there are uh, but they, as always, are mainly implemented in peacetime. The fact is that a few years ago. And google amazon has several other companies there, which means there was a fairly serious internal discussion about the ethical acceptability of working for the pentagon on one, let alone a completely military project. And google engineers. We just took a generally principled position. And there, in general, this contract fell through. As far as i remember, the problem is that, in my humble opinion, all this works, until they start. Heres some kind of, lets say, more serious story, when you see all this, he begins to break it down , roughly speaking. Well, somewhere on the objective side, somewhere on the subjective side, people interpret International Events differently. They may decide that, well, yes, there are some kind of robot killers there, so to speak, it may not be untrue. Well, now you see how evil he is, you know. It will already win and will be completely unethical. In general, quite strange, it seems to me, well, i dont know, maybe not strange, on the contrary, naturally, but some kind of uh a trend that we didnt seem to prepare for, that there was a feeling that the technologies that are being improved are being improved, they are already beyond the bounds of science fiction. And it is they who determine it, and what we see now are the actions that take place not only in ukraine but in general, this is generally a classic. Its like this people are blood. Its soil and all that. This one does not contradict the other, at all. It seems to me that each other is a wonderful complement. I would say, so ill pick up a little academicism with your permission. Yes please, that means yes, and when we look at some implementations . The media there are stories of the expanse of tampa, there are Consulting Works of Development Institutions , we always have the feeling that the future has already passed somewhere. And we are already there in full swing learning towards the singularity. Here, and this is the socalled red queens dilemma from lewis carol. Remember there what it means in our world, in order to stay in one place you have to run as fast as you can, and in order to get somewhere you have to run twice as fast. Yes, alice was mirrored there, which means, uh, the problem is that reality innovation, it is much more pragmatic. Yes, that is, uh, well, if you look at some objective economic shows, there is simply labor productivity, the rate of increase in labor productivity. There is a set of factors of production and other boring things. No one is interested at all, except for people of my profession, then we havent seen any kind of revolution there over the past 2030 years. Well, there are even reverse processes there, there are a lot of island hypotheses. Why does this mean, and uh, this whole story with technology, again, its more about competition. Well, that is, its like the novgorod thing, the one who screams the loudest wins, so we somehow for a long time accepted this whole scream only about the fact that now technologists determine everything. We are already practically in the Bright Future. If not there, then on the way to it technology will ruin everything, everything will be there now at face value. And now that life has somehow returned a little to its simpler forms. Hmm, it seems to me, more familiar to people, for example, in africa in latin america they are somehow more accustomed to the majority, as they say now, right . Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes it turned out that in general many questions that turned out to be fundamentally important to us. They are not that important and we are back. Here. Well, how can it be a little bit shady, maybe a little bit not palettecorrect somewhere. Well, in a general, understandable category, this in no way cancels the fact that technology is developing, that we are all together, as humanity goes. I hope what color will the future be . Here but you are absolutely right. Here. Uh, at least in some areas there is blood, soil and everything else. Eh, just like banal economics, they simply retain their meaning. Now this has become clearer again, well, because external conditions have changed, which no longer give us the opportunity to engage in all sorts of nonsense, then the last question is pointed. Can we say whats next in the future of technological success . Eh, more than anyone. Well, so to speak, the one who will achieve the most success is the one who can resolutely reject all moral conventions. I hope that these will ultimately win in the Bright Future of humanity. It seems to me that it is better to have a morally justified decision than a nonmorally justified one, but it seems to me that this issue has never worried much, and neither innovators, nor businessmen, nor anyone else knows this very well, history. Colleagues from the oil and gas sector told me that this means that europe has an oil refinery there. Everything is clean there and so on. You move there to some nigeria. Well, everything there, of course, is somewhat simpler, although the same company turned out to be would. What do these have to do with it . Yes, uh hmm i think that uh, no matter how cynical this may sound , the winner here will be whoever, after all, does not leave aside the issues of development efficiency, because ethics and efficiency cannot be blocked. If you dont have one, then the second. In general, its pointless to maintain some kind of reasonable balance, and this balance is still needed for two simple reasons, which means i ll remove it now. Towards military innovation i dont do them and i hope i never will, not only for personal reasons, but for some reason i think that this is somehow not quite my thing. Here you go what is Human Development . This is, well, Global Development in general. First of all, these are the people here, and people want to live there in relatively comfortable conditions , to realize themselves, and so on. In my opinion, it is impossible to come up with anything more ethical. And so, if we talk about some kind of Global Development, then the main ethical task is still to return to man, but here to do all this more effectively will create more successful conditions for ones development. That is, people will come there , talent will come there, and so on. But the fact that concerns such technical ethics. Eh, i dont have the feeling that something will change radically in the next 20 years and perhaps this problem should be solved in a more pragmatic manner. Well , yes, as in my childhood they said everything is for the good of man. In the name of man, the cpsu taught us and did the right thing, taught us the right thing, and did a little worse. Yes, but the message is true. Thank you very much. Antonin was our guest. 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