A diverse continental stance all the way from russia as far as where we are right now. Down to the giants of india in china, across the islands, nations of the pacific, an indian ocean, and all the way to the gulf. Those. This is in the mountains diversity. I wonder if there is anything in common among all those asian lands. Of course, this is perhaps the beauty of asia, and perhaps this is the reason why we need to have this bottom. This part of it is a like a step solve for Asian Countries to discuss or deal with issues in asia. So that we can have our common understanding this, this uh, uh, the reason why we need this platform. Uh you talk about, uh, ill come and uh, you know, mean a test or something. Yes, of course. So we have our common understanding. And of course, the political will to Work Together and, and at the initiative of the kingdom of, of thailand in 2002, this forum was established. Now it was the established thanks to the talent initiative, but its now headquarters in kuwait on. Yes, we are recording this conversation on the sidelines over 5 ladiva still working on the corman, i think for the 1st time in many years, we have a very large delegation from the error of countries, which is a very interesting and very unusual every score as the russians, agent then they mention, i wonder if the golf culture of the gulf mentality, the gulf and diplomatic style as anything particular to the work of your organization. In fact, i dont think its only about uh of the countries, but also a regional or some regional uh, uh, uh, block, seen in asia have already the fulfill the this uh, kind of, uh, activities to make it, uh, realistic. Because uh you asked me about uh, how do i uh, diplomacy out up in tallahassee. I think uh the, the, uh, a pull, a peaceful coexistence, a peaceful solution. And in order to cooperate, to get there. Uh that is, uh, something, uh, supplement and complement. Uh the a cd which also a co principals of informal dialogue as well and carries them and also chad commitments to cooperating with one another. So that is how we kind of uh uh Work Together and also cooperate with one another and thats speedy. You mentioned this uh sort of strive to, it was a Peaceful Solutions and i dont think there is a single country in the world. Thats what they argue against Peaceful Solutions. But the way they go about it is very different. The last time a tech agent has 48 countries, not all of them, by the way, a members of your organization, but many and those cultures, those nations have sometimes longstanding grievances. I wonder how do they go practically about piece, making them more specifically about neutrality . Because i think this concept of neutrality is changing recently, especially in the light of well uh, the trend in the west to take sides of pressure other countries to take sides. Well, youre right in the sense that actual Political Landscape or of political architecture has changed rapidly. Not only in asia, but every corner of the world. You asked me how we have. Uh, i would say uh so why is this bar and fox and if this uh, thats right. Uh, starting from uh, 18 members at the beginning. Uh, there are 35 uh at the moment. So it is quite an achievement for us. Problem 7, uh 18 to 35 and the other is uh about common denominators. Uh, meaning that we uh, work on something off the lease. Uh uh, control the fee. Uh for example, we have uh, 6 areas of cooperation. Uh, connectivity, education, science and technology. Uh, culture and to assume that is the keys, the in the interest level. So we, we can work with a such a areas of cooperation with no hesitation. All right. I heard you say its one conference that dialogue and project based activity drive Corporation Forward and allows that corporation not to be fully to size. Can you speak more specifically about that . Why is that . From what i understand, this is actually a Technical Framework that allows certain results to be a cheap. But its true because, 1st of all, we do not want to be politicized. And why dont you want to be politicized . Because uh in fact, uh we cannot deny that politics out. Always at the back of all of my, uh, every uh, every uh, uh, photo. Uh that the attendant, uh more or less would uh, talk something about politics. But so if the uh, look back, got a uh, a cd. Its about on the political platform. So we can discuss some think of come with the new movie to have as i guess, explain to you. That is why we would rather not talk about politics at all, because if one Say Something about refugees out this would say about boundaries and so on and so forth. So it wouldnt is going to be unless and the, its not, its not going to be uh, productive for each year. That is why we need these, these for them. I think in the past politics and governance, were start off as related concepts. Do i understand you correctly . Thats the organization, primarily focuses on governance, how to deliver governance rather than engaging and politics. And we cannot do away with this confidence in any way with or internationally or domestically. But were not going to discuss so much about that because we would rather leave it to the domestic requirements or National Policy of each country color than to make it out loud at the international uh for them like the ac d. Mm hm. Now youre speaking very diplomatic man, i know you have a very long resume with the talent diplomatic service. In fact, you worked for a number of years with the association of South East Asian nations. And this organization finds itself in the rather challenging position right now. And uh, you know, in the so called a sense spirit is under some pressure, this a consensus gears approach it and theyre finding it hard to realize i just came back from there. Some of them theyre talking openly about that. Because the great power rivalry is pushing them in different directions, is that also the case with the organization and how have you been able to with found that pressure of what, what else to call you . Sure. Its about consensus. Open sense of building because so we, uh, i happened to come from a country in, in southeast asia. So i, i know a little bit about the consensus building consensus of building is one that would develop into confidence buildings. And that would be something to sustain our future as long as everyone has one voice. But that wise will definitely be heard. That is at that these, the crux of the issue oftentimes us, so uh with that uh, i think this is another uh, perhaps photocopy of the beauty of the cd. You might have consensus and this is such um, a difficult concept to comprehend because Many Organizations, for example, the European Union is also supposedly based on consensus because, you know, there are many different ways to go about it. And sometimes consensus, consensus is confused for uniformity. What are some of the ways of actually ensuring authentic consensus . The one that will preserve the goodwill on the country and preserve the spirit of cooperation and wanting to engage and go Forward Together despite all the challenges that the nations may have. Well, in fact, youll speak with a very low couldnt see about consensus already. Because even though i see in for one has been familiar with consensus even before uh, the cold war. But uh after that uh at the u. N. O we oh uh, over the or nearly all the resolutions have not yet pleaded the put fall with the in principle unless and then to uh on the some exceptional cases because members prefer a consensus. So this is something that requires political will at the very beginning. So if you asked me whether we can differentiate between the authentic cause month, but then take, i would say, if political will, is that why not . Whether its a will, that is a way, hm. Interesting now and other organizations reach your work and its a search is brakes. And if the recently made the decision to include 6 new members and like the a cd breaks is also a loosely structures, consensus based group, which doesnt do mind uniformity from its members. And i wonder why do you think such a form of blues for my concerns is based and would, will based former is gaming. So seemingly gaining popularity in this day and age because Many Organizations are sort of moving towards that. Uh, 2 things. One is uh, the need for multi electrolysis that we, uh, uh, pass code for, especially uh nowadays. But the multilateralism can be in any form with uh, in the, uh, in the National Organization or not like 6 or a pick up uh the ac d. Uh, the alpha is that uh we have our mcafee so uh for example, for example, uh we are going to have a municipal real meeting in new york on the side line. So you and the this month, uh, followed by uh, the 3rd somebody. Uh, next month. The car. So uh these uh, the mechanic systems of the ac, the sofa office and solomons, and not the working groups and the ac. The blueprint . 2021220. 30, uh so when uh, all i in place that would be uh, another way to promote corporation. And of course, a Mutual Understanding with Mutual Understanding requires also mutual knowledge. How well do you think your members know one another because i have to tell you that even here in russia, we do not understand all the variety that the organization agents are i to that the organization represents. Because it is a loosely spoke to the organization or informally nature that would help uh, uh, create uh at most the off uh, friendship conducive to uh, payment thats, thats how im coming from. Okay. And dr. Ford tire, we have to take a very short break. Right. Now, but we will be back in just a few moments state and the. Ringback the take a fresh look around his life kaleidoscopic isnt just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. Fixtures designed to simplify will confuse really once a better wills. And is it just because it shows you fractured images, presented to this, but can you see through their illusion going underground . Can the virtue is a far as the best friendship, identity of us on the secretary general of the asians corporation, dialogue now of docs important try. I know you are a former diplomat. Diplomat fuser the e s 2 political or sensitive questions, but here you are in russia and russia currently finds itself in a while and in proxy were with the west. Uh the effects i think pretty much the, the entire low. But i wonder what effect it has on specifically your organization or on asia. And in fact, i would rather not talk about politics. But oil see was a, as you mentioned, a sofa so cool. Within the city, especially in case of, uh, russia, which has been uh, meant uh with us since uh, 2005. Uh, especially as being very active in this forum. And of course uh with boot the relationship with the office including history and that prevails. So uh, i believe, uh, they are doing fine. Mm hm. Now russia has long been a europe center, the nation both politically and culturally on its own people to asia is relatively recent and historic terms. I think it began in 2005, 2006 when a joint, your organization. How would you describe russia from my asian Vantage Point . What is distinct about the russia as an asian nation rather than european nation . Not only that, russia has some, uh, parts of the country uh, in asia, but also uh the policy and also with a sentiment. Uh, not only of the gulf and, but also uh people. Uh, this is uh, as far as im concerned. So uh, with that, i think this is the see if uh, the pitfalls of the, of the effect to that uh we, we need to rush, you have to be to be with us. Now i know that the worst asia originated in ancient greece and its 1st recorded use is attributed to had a notice who reportedly used it in reference to an a totally or the person that im part in contrast degrees. So a asia originated as something other than the west, and i think historically for many decades, if not centuries, there was a distinct west and asked for to westernize asia. Do you think asian needs to be westernized . Well, as 630 general, i cannot speak for, for any country in particular, but in the overall perspective. And as far as im concerned, i could say that the is aisha and can speak for a can. We can, we are free to do whatever is in the interest of asia. So with that, i believe with the, with the nice of but not. And if its a non issue for us now, jo gressick was speaking, asia has both the highest and the lowest points on the surface of the earth. It also has the broadest variety of vegetation, any my life and human, a deputation, human culture, which could be a major treasure. But it also could be a major curse because you know, it creates conflict. Theyve created competition. I wonder what stands in, in the way of the asians using these diversity to the full extent to make sure that they benefit from those centers rather than still being divided by the old historical governments as well. Um asia is part of the international community. Uh, we try to be cooperative uh, for example, in the context of s. C. Ts. However, many of us are still developing a least developed countries. So we need, uh, not only technology, but also uh, Financial Assistance from the National Organizations from donor countries, from these sources of funds in order to help our self and to be adaptive, especially in terms of Climate Change and to comply with the competitors agreement. You mentioned Climate Change and the easy is also subject to the worlds wildest claim medic, extremes the content. Its the confidence where natural climate is felt most acutely and nature, as we know doesnt usually recognize national borders, nor does it give advanced warnings. Have you seen any difference in how your Member States approach natural disasters or Global Climate is especially in the aftermath of the big over the 19th . Um i just came back from the pope and i, i saw it that the places of american so thats of course part of the cubic change of what im trying to say is that we are trying to be responsible really not only uh, any particular country, but uh, asia as a whole. Uh, this is what i have with this uh, sofa and uh how to do that is one thing. But the uh, conceptually we would rather be uh, responsible and also uh, call for the duty to cooperate, to cooperate uh with, uh, what, not, not the, not only the naisha, but also elsewhere to uh at 1st to come and concerns the come on, uh, the, uh, the global issues is okay, can take him back a little while to they called at 910 sundown me for many a interNational Organizations. It was very challenging time. And at that time, communication, it was a suffering at most the international for what was it like for you and your organization at that time, do you think you have contributed efficiently to that crisis . Yes, because of when we adopted the declaration, we called upon the members to organize meetings of Public Health ministries in order to address Infectious Diseases including the depend they make and also uh go with 19 for one uh at the new york meeting. We are supposed to go, im not a declaration though, but a declaration which i to change the clause in the very same direction. So with that, i could say that we have our Firm Commitment to expressing Infectious Diseases. And also the basic uh, do you mean addressing them in for a chronic way or in a practical way . Because i mean, and the midst of dependent made because they were all the, all the declarations were already on the table and signed. But when it came to practical implementation, thats where the major problem was in my view, it has to be practical. Of course, not only in the bureaucratic way, as you mentioned, not only about uh, the meetings of the Public Health ministries or related agencies, but also with the stakeholders like uh, the private sector, which would come to be very much, not only in terms of Financial Assistance but also uh, technology and know how and uh we, we have uh, our blue pinch, real pin. We, which uh, talk about uh, the alternative medicine, like, uh, Traditional Medicine or hook the boat medicine. Uh, which would uh be something that people could have easily access to and uh, not so costly for that. So uh if we talk about a guest kind of fad accessible uh, medicine perhaps this one that you have a catch up one. Interesting, and you mentioned Traditional Medicine and it just occurred to me that many members of the a, c, d would consider themselves as countries where spirituality is still very much alive. Now. Sure, there are lots of religious and spiritual diversity within asian, but from my experience, with many of these countries, they believe that humanity and despite all those differences is one family. I wonder if that spiritual dimension is helping your consensus building initiatives in any way. Oh, definitely because uh, take a rush, you know, for one uh, do you have uh, what you call button. Yeah. Uh, treatment. And also how many . Uh, uh, medicine as well. So uh, why not uh, happy part of, of the treatment for people to be accessible. And thailand, for one of the country where i came from has been promoting medical tourism. So is not only about uh, medical treatment, but all hospitalisation, but also uh to do some that, that we can promote at the same time. And its very lucrative. So makes money and also promotes the culture, promotes the traditional way. Thats right. So yeah, yeah. One other question i want to ask you is about food and water security because you spoke about and being one of the pillars of the framework. Its requires. Uh, not only a recognition of national interest, but a somewhat expanded understanding of uh, you know, what is what it is like to be human or what a, what is life to belong to human family. Do you think you remember, stays a fully practice what they preach when it comes to not only minding that own, a silver, an interest, but also making sure that they rise and lets rise or they survive and let other survive to it. Is that the energy food and water security uh inter relationships. Uh, perhaps the kinds of boundary in nature. Uh, when we talk about funds boundary issues. Uh, it means that uh, not only one country may act alone, but it calls for International Cooperation of im the International Law i cannot tell, but recall that duty to cooperate. So if you asked me with the members serious about that, yes, they are. No, not because it affect themselves or in that interest, but also they have that duty to cooperate in order to, to resolve it all in one and at the same time. And indeed at all levels. Well, thats important. I ever have to leave it there. Thank you very much for time. Thank you. 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