Just some of them do some of the are doing santa for example. Oh yeah. But look at the saudi arabia. They need that bridge of nation financial recognition. They need a platform for discussion for the future, a financial 3 Corporation Banking called duration. So the ready to participate in the new bridge back. So its a very, very new kind of a bank and financial logistics. The view that they need more reliable, making easy focus ration. Thats why its such and such countries developed together. Now you uh, outlined the motivation for the regional powers, but what about great powers . Because arguably what unites all of them. Despite all the cultural social, political differences is somewhere in c, im still going to use a, you know, its not just an aspiration, its something that you either have or not, and its a value. Its also a liability and not many countries, tablets, many countries say when wanted do you agree that the regional powers in disregard the more limited than the grace ones and arent the great ones . And now diluting the power by having to do with these regional players who may have other lines thats on the side. All the question is uh what a great power agree poway major by right. Uh no just by may show. Uh, sort of for example, military uh, development uh, uh, the main factor. How brief i was with the effect to be World AffairsGlobal Affairs or regional affairs. So for example, we know a lot of a very great Financial Economic bars that dont have any kind of effect to the world of open, for example, japan or any other countries for you who speak of all the rich countries, different countries. For example, china, india, or russia, are they, in general have different aspirations. But the reason one very important come and feeling the system is this with these patients over the present, a city shall present conditions and by that the man, uh there was sometime in the area, right. Right. They want to the 1st of all the want to be a very important regional powers, but at the same time they dont want to push forward the optimization. All the world offers because realization and optimization. Its a different kind of yeah. Do you think the regional numbers for joining bricks now a sharing dissatisfaction with the sort of the western way for right . Absolutely, absolutely. Because the wants to develop the, the regional sold, the congress that very important players in the world. First, at the same time, the simple, the nation economies, because uh for a long time, the were affected by the globalization, Global Brands and Global Financial and make it easy. But right now, the of to put much more attention to the explanation of developing financials. Uh, scientific, uh, academic educational. It says right to address. So they need much more regional support. But at the same, they want to be engaged to be coming to make any so breaks. And just were just put a platform on the oldest as for aspirations. Ive heard somebody uh, one of the Prominent Russian observer suggests that with this expression breaks has started in a franchise. And what is being distributed under these franchise is not some concrete policy, but rather a policy mode, one that prioritize a sovereignty, but also prioritize this relationship relational framework over in needed disagreements. So its not only a silver and Decision Making rooted in your national interest, but also understanding that the relationship is something valuable. Do you agree with that . Uh, not relations trust. Trust is much more reliable. Is much more whats the difference or the difference is a great because of the to the uh, situation uh for could be and everything that was uh, connected to the funding. Yeah. Uh. Each country tried to to fight against go beat by itself and not over the come and make it easy was worked out. What was uh, bring to life. Uh ended means it means that the, what is part of the menu is res organization. There is a very high level of nice pressed and brakes try to put for the a new only trust just in several theories or several aids for personal financial, for Infrastructure Projects. So connection to every country is, is connected with another company. So its not something new, something new, its a trust and other important poor point that the brakes is very flexible structure. The there is not a need very uh, a different level only. And, but shes like in the shy corporation of these agents, theres a lot of servers, old members, just participants see cool, but participate to be in digital the different make it easy to different negotiations, but at the same time, not to put much more much attention or obligations to follow some rules so that the flexibility is direct directive. That is your mention of flexibility and i think we leave in times of relational freedom. I would even say joe political per miscarriage here when many countries um introduce that partners situation and we without long or strong commitments. Um and you know, the choice of partner you know, can be today, but if could be different tomorrow. Whats the purpose then for breaks existence at all . Because you mentioned that they have trust, but there is also some predictability within the, within that structure. Oh, why would you have, if you can agree, everything on the bilateral basis. What we yeah. We uh, we used to live in the world of plus and minus all different kinds of pro western or pro eastern approach, any use of pro russian. Thats a very old dated approach to the World Affairs look to the development of the brakes. Brakes was brought to life when the suit issue was completely different. Economic sedation and political stage of the sedation, for example, that time chan uh raise its a very foss. India was on the top of these development by the way, we seen from brazil listing waiting for the south africa, but to Distribution Company to change it. Its not, its kind of a platform for the companies that in the state of press, the transfer development. Its a platform for the company that is very connected to the ag over the month for like the ration or different kind of um, flu, negative power as knew this. Well, the negative power, you mean again, dont the uniform right . As a nation, the gays is alaysyah. Again, you still fighting, you and the crew crushing the, the trade system will through the system. So all counters will work. For example, for the open frontiers for trade and financial uh, Oil Companies would for re open banking good configuration. Uh for the open olibo marcus. So they, uh they at least uh, the lube is covers a very Different Team be the solution on lasers. But at the same time of the um, the, the try to, uh, to follow the same, we fully open markets in the very unstable world. Now, in one of your recent interviews here wrote about breaks. Now having to formulate and all just the goals of the development, but the meanings of their development, then meetings and next essential categories find will per found. Then any practical goal, do you think a nation so such as different cultures . Background systems can ever agree on such a thing as, as the meaning of the right of all as well because we, we live in the world that was created by the trait by the open frontiers. But its a historical period that we already uh, followed and right now we should understand what as the meaning of the development of our world countries and of, oh evers, each country right now has its own concept of the Development Chinese russian, even the United States. But not all countries share the same idea, so we should understand what is come on for every one of us and what is different to be different. It is not a bad thing, but we should understand what re the wheeler a fictions between us. So the main idea to firmly be meetings, the main ideas. What does it mean for us, the global world . What do we want, for example, for me its, its, we owe it see a view over the open data cation. Because if we indicated in the very high we high level, it means that we can share the same idea of the same ideals and the same for be afraid that well should be open. But we can have a still keep some refreshes in the political understanding. They smell it, but bad thing, so no one can help are a result of another. I mean, if you have shared common language, it is easier to have a reasonable and reasoned argument over a things that separates your exactly. And one of the meet you, what is the highest the value of this world, and what is im in the inner pavement. People have been asking us for millennial, right . So for me, its the personal human development. So everything that should be done, it should be done for the res. Oh, who will the quality of life all the uh, individuals. Well, um, interesting that here leave me to my next question and its a exactly on that subject because youre near namesake abraham maslow, an american psychologist of your premium defense formulates in the famous paramount of means. Starting from says illogical necessities and going all the way to self actualization. Do you think that would be applied to collect his psych is as well if nation starts thinking about dont just development, you know, getting by but the meaning behind that development doesnt that signify some new level in social progress . Yes, i think so, because a single the basic meetings, the basic uh, the mon already done. So all these countries, im not in the, not in the, but states. I mean a, there is no speculation in economics. There are different kinds of different level all the development, but this thing them all come through to develop in different speed pending is they have the own vision for the next developers and the for the next step. And so the next step should be done seeing the weight, what the, what the, the, the future of the regional and come, you know, development because we have, its simple, the globalization, we have globalization. But right now we have comedy lilies issue the connection between different. So i want to say here in the form its a, i mean like there, there is, and in systems that there is 2nd country that knows the way and everybody else has to sort of, to, to, to the needs of the enlightened one. All right . Yes. But at the same time, not too much countries, a really keen to be induced to being the, for me to come utilization means that we could connect is always at the same time disconnecting all the ways. For example, we could not agree with the really just the use and other a little the friction in this way, but at the same time we can go 3 weeks straight. So what the look at the present day situation. For example, if you look 10 years ago who voted for the open friend who the 320 is United States, and this se, everything should be open and transparent. But right now, United States put a lot of measures against china, russia, iran. So right, no chinese voice. So the open frontiers. Well, uh, thats a very interesting sound, but hold it for a couple of minutes. We have to take a very short break, but we will be back in just a few seconds to get you in the the, the theres no end in sight over how youre going to continue to destroy the earth. Is the case for the med, most of the people. I tried to go to the gym, but im certainly not ready to fight russia. This is also of soon. This is the 3rd world lunacy re washing press for. So the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals to be living online. We have fairly quick propaganda. You know, a price here in new york. I think we dont know the aftermath any time that youre not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. The more questions ask a better. The answer is will be the the welcome back to wells. Of course, with alex e moss loves director of the institute of asian and African Studies at the most go state university, mr. Muscle. And before the break we started talking about the, the differences that exist in the world. And also, um, you know, its potential synergies and even without the slightest expansion of breaks the, there was a 4 disagreement at the base of briggs, primarily between india and china. And those 2 countries also have very different views on how the organization or how the grouping should evolve in the insurance. Do you think theres differences now late to arrest or do you think they may be exploited . As the platform expands and perhaps there are some counts within it. Unfortunately, i think that its a legacy of history. So it will of congress could not forget some programs. So that happened in the 100 years ago, 1000 years ago or so. The only way or from the situation, just to forget it for some periods of time, because there are a lot of much more important steps that should be done. So thats why, oh, this friction, for example, between china and india or indian park, the stock should be if parts from the more so really the hard because i mean russia and china also had, i think roughly 8000 border disappeared disagreements. And yet, there was a painstaking process of addressing those. And these countries now have a very defined, developed relationship on what they have, lets say 20 years ago. Shouldnt be put on hold or rather what, what is in the way of india in china, you know, coming together looking at that border disputes. And also looking at the, you know, all the potential benefits that theyre missing. Our case is very if the particularly is very the individual. So these are for somebody who speak about the russian trinity sedation or many years ago we had a lot of progress muscle and the presentation creation oh, problems are already regulated by agreements. And 1st of all, by the communications rushing, share, and learning how to go behind all these problems because we have much more in for the final task, final goals. Why just thing indian china havent arrived there yet because they also have many potential gains from right . Because the present to the same place, asia, uh, yeah, and russia each and the, the have a separate development. So it doesnt mean that china is much more Important Message boards that russia, they pretend to be a different kinds of regional powers. So, but in the same time these we will be able, right, know if there were delete, always just opening up regularly, but just to forget for, for awhile some problems it means that we could not develop the level all the economic um, economic level, only congress. Your mention china and right now its uh, advocating similar valerie, similar approaches to once the United States stood for like, 15 or 20 years ago, a free trade, the separation of trade and politics, etc. Are you confident that the sooner or later china will not adopt not only uh, the, the values of the United States, but also is there not called a bully like style of getting what it once . Well, no one know the future for, for sure. But at the same time, we can see that we seduce in china and india and in the United States for the last couple of years. For sometimes, for the last couple of coffee, it changes a lot. Move to the colombo tradition, china. We can see the vehicle sign of like a nation itself, the crisis. But anyway, its a program. Uh the only way how to get rid of all these problems. Just to develop much more equity for good negotiations with the neighboring countries like india. What i see on the country, so the only way, how is the result of this question . Its a corporation. And if we can forget all these problems, i mean political progress. So hes throwing up our was, this is the only way how we can get treat of all these. Busy situation now there were a couple of countries, nigeria, algeria, indonesia, that were widely expected to make it into the 1st wave of expansion. But some a song there is now even the can see isnt that whether they wanted to is it or not, whether they have applied for bricks, membership i know us. Do you suspect any western modeling in there . Yes, i think so. I think there is a very huge uh, pressure to always congress from western world because the brakes just for, for the last couple of years, try to present or just to step by step the full force, the a new oh, the new world configuration. That is the i would say, or full rate, easiest in books, and many countries of the full was a d, o would be in the flexibility. But sometimes im really afraid to meet in several camps at the same time. So at least with 10 is it called duration, with different books codes pushed godfrey in the, from the, the good connection with, for example, United States for china to be back back yard. All these world politics. But the weight, uh, from my point of view weight briggs is much more effective for like who the and for example, a shock. I cooperation cruise issue because its much more flexible and soft weight of cooperation. But on the other hand, theres countries who are not yet ready on bold enough to join. Theyre still gaining all the benefits of being associated with brakes. Members on by, let charl are bases on even on their group level. What, what, what, what race could to be present to other congress . First of all, it took a breath, shooting the Infrastructure Projects by the 1st point. And if you will, you want to be engaged, the oldest party, the money. So these are the things that you should address to the new brings back. Thats a east countries cause so i lose all of it. Yes, they could cooperate without a need for this sort of valuable alternative source or for investment the right. Yeah, that is id. Another question, its a question of the expertise, if you want to develop some logistics or infrastructure or a low speed, uh new uh, new stuff. So how to, how to get this experience. So you, you should invite some one with some groups for some of the companies, so its much more attractive to do it is site. The site is one organization, the one platform. So its a very, 1st of all, it says original corporation, but the leasing type is much more effective than the global ideas without the real effects. Now you mentioned the word expertise and i want to rely on your african expertise to ask you particularly about nigeria, because its africas most populous country, which is now being actively of course in by washington, has been the indian use recently, that nature and present. She knew who is the only african literature by then wants to meet on the sidelines of the un general assembly. This nonsense, do you know that americans dont make such overtures likely or without an agenda . What do you think is the western agenda here . Well, whats your agenda agenda means means a 1st of all, your best to be a local development, but at the same time who invest the local education, who is the key, the local people in what language . Usually, what kind of textbooks and what kind of technologist. So it means that if you need to get it in the western this i, you said the west coast, im, theres you in the future will you buy your supply western technology. So, and they do it its, its not just a very populated country. Its a uh, according to the, i guess on there its, its a very highly develop as country. So thats why United States tried to play a very specific role in these place. I they, i only nigeria, or are they also hoping to use nigeria as connections within the continent to wills or then uh and the jury is it is a jump the point to the jump in words to all the afternoon comes. This is the same time we have a lot of other players in african for example, china, which control a lot of sports seaports all around the african sea shore. In the same time, we can see the increases of the russian power, not as much as, for example, china. But at the same time, the russia complete is separate through uh, for example, in the a root culture production in the supply and root cause of the green production. Its a threat to its right. So right at the same time and we do keisha. So we, in the future, well have much more important brand place in the africa, and it means that the major, as well as other of income congress will have a much more mature choice. Now, speaking about the rest has power next to your break sorts, aging presidency is moving to russian. You already mentioned several areas where russia could be, uh, helpful education or a cultural expertise. Are there any other areas where russia could contribute in a fair way, in a mutual way to the development, the brakes, and its a members, right . Decided that we already spoke about the 1st of all, its a medicine and the pharmaceutical, a good cook, duration and bo, farm and other including telemedicine. We already have a very, very good infrastructure full of telemedicine. And we could expert that at the same time, and the most important point for russian African Corporation indication, the very specific uh erase. For example, once again, its a medicine, a root culture and the new every culture of journal entry. For here, well georgia young and new technologies. And for example, financial technologist, look at the level of the leading the russian bank. So the, i mean, i think theyd be digitalization over the russian bucks, maybe one of the best in the world. Well speaking of which i guess thats uh, the only question i have time for this past summer. Russia hosted enough for consignment as which loved him important subject. Moscow is also ready to offer the african continent, the technology. So governance, and its interesting because for many in the west, were actually still associated with the ramp of corruption. But actually, if you look at the quality of Public Services in russia, that it has an increase of essentially, do you think this is something that uh, rational bricks in general would be exporting, you know, new approaches to governance and new approaches to the meaning and the goals of developments . Yes, i think so each day and its not just a kind of a special thing for the local administration. Its a completely good re, uh, reconstruction, overly worried, hopefully a state state the state level thinking for example level of effort. You can come to this as well as the asian congress, the full was the annual, the school, the dependent development. So it means that the, the, the, the defense from the so well, in the whole, this of the states they do more than this depends on the i try to find the correct world. Yeah. But anyway, it to be dependent. Its not just the how to develop economics, its out to them to develop your mentality. So and uh, one of the very important, a russian, the issue of development, its uh, reconstruction over the mind to the uh, to develop with a brush up with the last 5 years of 10 years. Its a week with much more attention to the National Ideas and visual values, but at the same time, it stopped. It was the russian idea, the breaks old connections with other countries. Because when you develop your own ideas, you could be not very pleasant to all the company. So to, so just to stay in your place to be at the on nation ideas is very important. And 1st of all, its very important for these state administration. Yeah. Okay. And brings us back to your main sake of our home uh, mass load. That Old Development ultimately leads to self actualization, both on the individual and national level. Mr. Maslow, its been great. Pleasure talking to thank you very much for giving you the conversation. Thank you for watching hope to see her again, and it was a part of the public sentence and im going to plan with you whatever you do. Do not watch my new show. Search like why watch something thats so different little opinions that he wont get anywhere else. Welcome to please or do the have the state department c i a weapons, bankers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. Choose your fax for you. Go ahead. I changed and whatever you do, dont my show state main street because im probably going to make you uncomfortable. My show is called stretching time. 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