You suppose its a calibration for the future world. And oldest countries, the have a come global view and global approach. And thats a very important point. Thats the new participants or potential participants, major regional powers. So they dont need money. They dont need or just some of them do some of the are doing santa, for example. Oh yeah, but look at the saudi arabia. They need that richard nation financial recognition. They need a platform for discussion for the future. A financial 3 Corporation Banking cont, duration. So the ready to participate in the new bridge back. So its a very, very new kind of a bank and financial logistics the either they need more uh, reliable mckinneys focus ratio. Thats why its such and such countries developed together. Now you uh, offline the motivation for the regional powers. But what about grace power is because, arguably, what unites all of them despite all the cultural social political differences is somewhere in c, im still going to use a, you know, its not just an aspiration, its something that you either have or not. And its a value, its also a liability and not many countries have it. Many countries when wanted do you agree that the regional powers and disregard them or limit then then the grace wants to end on the great ones and now diluting the power by having to do with these regional players who may have other lines as on the side all the question is what they great power agree . Poway major by right. And theyll just by may show, uh, sort of for example, maybe 3 uh, development uh, the main factor. How brief i was with the effect to the World AffairsGlobal Affairs or regional affairs. So for example, we know a lot of a very great Financial Economic bars that dont have any kind of effect to the world of open, for example, japan or any other countries for you who speak of all the rich countries, different countries. For example, china, india, or russia, are they, in general have different aspirations. But the reason one very important come on the feeling, the assistance with this, with these patients over the present a, c, d shall bring conditions. And by that the man, uh there was sometime in the area, right . Right. The one to the 1st of all will be want to be a very important regional powers. But at the same time, they dont want to push forward the optimization. All the world offers because realization and optimization. Its a different kind of. Yeah. Do you think the regional numbers for joining breaks now sharing dissatisfaction with the sort of the western way for right. Absolutely, absolutely. Because uh, the wants to develop the, the retail sold, the congress that very important players in the world. First, at the same time, the simple, the nation economies. Because uh, for a long time, the were affected by the globalization, Global Brands and Global Financial and making these. But right now the full with much more attention to the initial developing financial, uh, scientific, uh, academic educational it says right to address. So they need much more regional support, but at the same they want to be engaged to be coming to make it easy. So brakes and just were just put a platform on the oldest as for aspirations. Ive heard somebody uh, one of the Prominent Russian observer suggests that within 6 fashion breaks has started in a franchise. And what is being distributed under these franchise is not some concrete policy, but rather a policy mode one that prioritize a sovereignty, but also prioritize this relationship relational framework over at immediate disagreements. So its not only a silver and Decision Making rooted in your national interest, but also understanding that the relationship is something valuable. Do you agree with that . Uh, not relational, stressed trust is much more reliable. Is much more whats the difference or the difference is a great because uh, the, to the uh, situation uh for could read and everything that was uh, connected to the funding. Yeah. Uh. Each country tried to fight against go beat by itself and not over the come and make it easy, was worked out. What was uh, bring to life. And it means they means that the, what is part of the menu is the race organization. There is a very high level of nice pressed, and a brakes try to put for the a new only trust just in several years as a several aids, for example, financial for infrastructure projects. So connection to every country is, is connected with another company. So its not something new, something new, its a trust. And the other important point, the point that the brakes is very flexible structure. You there is no any very uh, different level only membership like in the show High Corporation res agents. Theres no up servers or members, just participants see cool but participate to be in digital the different making these different negotiations. But at the same time, not to put much more much attention or obligations to follow some rules so that the flexibility is direct directive. That is your mention of flexibility and i think we leave in times of relational freedom. I would even say joe, political for miscarriage here when many countries in which is their partners situation and we without long or strong commitments. Um and you know, the choice of partner you know, can be today, but if could be different tomorrow. Whats the purpose then for breaks existence at all . Because you mentioned that they have trust, but there is also some predictability within uh, within that structure. Oh, why would you have if you can agree, everything on the bilateral basis. Oh wow. Well yeah we, um, we used to live in the world of plus and minus all different kinds of pro western or pro eastern approach, any use of pro russian. Thats a very old dated approach to the World Affairs look to the development of the brakes. Brakes was brought to life when the cd issue was completely different. Economic sedation and political stage of the situation. For example, that time chan uh raise its a very foss, india was on the top of these development by the way, we seen from brazil, this thing waiting for the south africa. But this edition completely changed. Its not a, its kind of a plug for a, for the companies that in the state of press, the transfer development. Its a platform for the company that is very connected to the ag, over the month for like the ration or different kind of, um, fluid, increased power in this world. We want a negative for your mean again dont. And then youre in a form, right . As a nation, the gaze is alaysyah. Again, you still fighting, you and the crew crushing the, the trade suits the world trade system. So all congress will work, for example, for the open frontiers for trade and financial. The old countries would, for re open banking a configuration for the open olibo marcus. So the, the list of the movies comes is a very different can be the solution on lasers. But at the same time of the, of the, the try to go to follow the same way for the open markets in the very unstable world. Now, in one of your recent interviews here wrote about breaks. Now having to formulate and all just the goals of the development, but the meanings of their development then meanings and next essential category is formal per found. Then any practical goal, do you think a nation so such as different cultures . Background systems can ever agree on such a thing as, as the meaning of the right of all as well because we, we live in the world that was created by the trait. Maybe open frontiers, but its a historical, a period that we already uh, followed and right now we should understand what as the meaning of the development of our war countries and of, oh evers, each country right now has its own concept of the development change is russian in the United States, but not all countries share the same idea, so we should understand what is come on for every one of us and what is different to be different. It is not a bad thing, but we should understand what re the wheeler, a frictions between us. So the main idea to firmly be meetings, the main ideas. What does that mean for us being global world . What do we want, for example, for me . It said we owe 8, see a view over the open indication, because if we indicated in the very high we high level, it means that we can share the same idea of the same ideals and the same for be afraid that well should be open. But we can have to keep some refreshes in the political understanding that stuff and but bad things. So and no one can help our results. Im out there. I mean, if you have shared common language, it is easier to have a reasonable and reasoned argument over things that separates your executive in one of the meet you. What is the highest the value of this world and what is im in the inner pavement. People have been asking us for millennial, rightful to me, its a personal human development. So everything that should be done, it should be done for the res. Oh will the quality of life all the individuals . Well, um, interesting right here, leave me to my next question and its exactly on that subject because youre near namesake, abraham maslow, an american psychologist of your premium defense formulates in the famous paramount of means. Starting from says illogical necessities. Im going all the way to self actualization. Do you think that would be applied to collect his sizes as well . If nation starts thinking about dont just development, you know, getting by but the meaning behind that development doesnt that signify some new level in social progress . Yes, i think so, because the single, the basic meetings, the basic, the, the mont already done. So all these countries, im noting the nothing the but states, i mean a, there is no speculation in economics. There are different kinds of different level all the development. But this thing, them all come through to develop in different speed pending is they have the own vision for the next developers and the for the next step. So the next step should be done in the weight. What the, what the, the, the future of the regional and come, you know, develop, and because we have, its simple, the globalization, we have globalization. But right now we have comedy and movies issue. The connection between different. So i want to say here in the form it see, i mean like there, there is an insistence that there is 2nd country that knows the way and everybody else has to sort of k to, to the needs of the enlightened one. Right . Yes, but at the same time, not too much countries a really keen to be induced to being the, for me to come here. Lose ation means that we could connect is always at the same time disconnecting all the ways. For example, we could not agree with the really just the use and other a lot of friction in this way, but at the same time we can go 3 to 3. So what the look at the present day situation. For example, if you were 10 years ago who voted for the open friend who the trade warranty is United States, and as they see, everything should be opened and transparent. But right now the United States put a lot of measures against china, russia, iran. So right now sharon is voted for the open frontier as well. Uh, thats a very interesting sound, but hold it for a couple of minutes. We have to take a very short break, but we will be back in just a few seconds section the, [000 00 00;00] the the, [000 00 00;00] the, [000 00 00;00] the welcome back to wells, of course, with alex e must loves director of the institute of asian and African Studies at the most co State University with their muscle before the break, we started talking about the differences that exist in the world and also um you know, potential synergies. And even without this latest expansion of breaks the, there was a ford disagreements at the base of breaks primarily between india and china. And those 2 countries also have very different views on how the organization or how the grouping should evolve in the future. Do you think theres differences now late to arrest or do you think they may be exploited . As the platform expands and perhaps there are some counts within it. Unfortunately, i think that its a legacy of history. So it will of congress good. Dont forget some problems. So that happened in the 100 years ago, 1000 years ago or so. The only we all from the situation just to forget it for some periods of time because there are a lot of much more important steps that should be done. So thats why, oh, this friction for them between china and india or indian park, the stock should be a part from the more. So really the hard because i mean russia and china also have, i think roughly a 1000 border disappear and disagreements. And yet, there was a painstaking process of addressing those. And these countries now have a very different develop relationship on what they have, lets say 20 years ago. Shouldnt be put on hold or rather what, what is in the way of india in china, you know, coming together looking at the border disputes and also looking at the, you know, all the potential benefits that theyre missing our, of this piece is very of the particularly is very, the individual said, these are for somebody who speak about the rushing to a new sedation or many years ago we had a lot of problems, but look at the present a situation. But oh, problems are already regulated by agreements. And 1st of all, by the communications rushing, ensure and learning how to go behind all these problems because we have much more need for the final task. If i know goals, why do thing, indian china havent arrived there yet . Because they also have many potential gains from right because the percent of the same place, asia, yup. And russia each and they have a separate development to doesnt mean that china is much more for the lesson for the russia. They pretend to be a different kind of regional powers. So, but in the same time, if we will conduct a boat, right . Know if they were delayed, always just opening up regularly. But just to forget for, for awhile some problems. It means that we could not develop the level all the economic, economic level, all the countries here mentioned china. And right now its uh, advocating similar valerie, similar approaches to once the United States stood for like, 15 or 20 years ago, a free trade, the separation of trade and politics, etc. Are you confident that the sooner or later china will not adopt not only uh the, the values of the United States, but also its very not cold bully like style. Im getting what it once. Well, no one know the future for, for sure. For the same time, we can see that the solution in china and india and in the United States for the last couple of years. Well sometimes ill for the last couple of coffee, it changes fell off slope to the economic sedation. China. We can see the vehicle sign of stuck a nation is all the cries us. But anyway, its a problem. Uh the only way how to get rid of all these problems. Just to develop much more equity for the negotiations with the neighboring countries like india. It was around the country, so the only way, how is the result of this question is a corporation. And if we can forget all these problems, i mean political progress. So hes throwing up our was the so the only wait how we can get 3 of all these. Busy situation, there were a couple of countries, nigeria, algeria, indonesia, that were widely expected to make it into the 1st wave of expansion. But some result there is now even the confusion that whether they wanted it or not, whether they have applied for bricks, membership. I know us, do you suspect any western modeling in there . Yes, i think so. I think there is a very huge uh, pressure to always congress from western world. Because the brakes just for, for the last couple of years, try to present or just to step by step to move forward. The, a new, the new world configuration. That is the old site or full rate, easiest thing blocks. And many countries of the full was a d, o would be in the flexibility, but sometimes im really afraid to meet in several camps at the same time. So at least with 10 is uh, corporation with different books, quotes push country in the, from the, the good connection with, for example, United States for china to be back back yard. All these world politics. But the weight, uh, from my point of view weight briggs is much more effective for like who are the and for example, us guy, corporation organizations because its much more flexible and soft weight of cooperation. But on the other hand, theres countries who are not yet ready on bold enough to join. Theyre still gaining all the benefits of being associated with brakes. Members on by, let charl are bases on even on their group level. What, what, what, what race could to me, to present to the congress . First of all, it took a breath, shooting the infrastructure project, spend the 1st point, and if you will, you want to be engaged, the oldest party, the money. So these, it means that you should address to the new brakes back. Thats a east countries. Good. So i lose all of the yes they could cooperate without any but this sort of valuable alternative source or for investment the right. Yeah. That and then another question is the question of the expertise, if you want to develop some logistics or infrastructure or rail or, or you need a new, a new stuff. So how to, how to get this experience. So you, you should invite some one with some groups for some of the companies. So its much more attractive to do is site. The site is one organization the one platform. So its a very, 1st of all, its a really good duration, but the leasing type is much more effective than the global ideas and without the real effects. Now you mentioned the word, the expertise, and i want to rely on your african expertise to ask you particularly about nigeria. Because if i forgot the most populous country, which is now being actively of course in by washington has been in the news recently that major and president she knew who is the only african literature by then wants to meet on the sidelines of the un general assembly. This month tends to, you know, that americans dont make such overtures uh, likely or without an agenda. What do you think is the western agenda here . Well, whats your agenda agenda means means a as a result for the best to the local development. But at the same time, we invest the local education, who is the key, the local people, in what language . Usually, what kind of textbooks and what kind of technologist. So it means that if you need to get it in the western this i, you said we were system, theres you in the future will, you will buy your supply western technology. So they do it its, its not just a very populated country. Its according to the ivory guest on theres, its a very highly develop a country. So thats why United States straight to play a very specific role in these place. I, they, i only nigeria, or are they also hoping to use nigeria as connections within the continent to wells are then uh, and the journey is it is a jump the point to the jump in words to all the i for you and congress, whether the same time we have a lot of other players in african for example, china, which control a lot of ports, the seat boards, all around the african sea shore. And the same time we, we can see the increases of the russian flower, not as much as, for example, china, but do the same time to rush to complete. Its separate rule. For example, in the a root culture production in the supply and root cause all the green production, its a threat to its right. So right at the same time, in the keisha. So we, in the future, well have much more important brand place in the africa. And it means that, and they do it as well as other of income congress will have much more in the choice. Now, speaking about the rest of the power next to your break searching presidency is moving to russian. You already mentioned several areas where russia could be, uh, helpful education, uh, a great cultural expertise. Are there any other areas where russia could contribute in this fair way in a mutual way to the development . The brakes on its a members, right . Decided that we already spoke about. So 1st of all, its a medicine and the pharmaceutical, a good cook duration and real farm and other including tele medicine. We already have a very, very good infrastructure full of telemedicine. And we can export it at the same time. And the most important point for russian, i forget, corporation is indication the very specific uh erase. For example, once again is a medicine, a root culture and the new every culture of journal entry. For here, well geology young and new technologies. And for example, Financial Technologies look at the do a little be leaving the russian backs of the, i mean, i think theyd be digitalization over the russian bucks, maybe one of the best in the world. Well, lets pick out for to i guess thats uh, the only question that have time for this past summer. Russia hosted enough for consignment as we to load them and put in send that most boys also ready to all for the african continent. The technologies of governance, and its interesting because for many in the west rest, youre still associated with the ramp of corruption. But actually if you look at the quality of Public Services in russian date, it has it increased substantially. Do you think this is something that uh, rational bricks in general would be exporting, you know, new approaches to governance and new approaches to the meaning and the goals of developments . Yes, i think so each day and its not just a kind of a special thing for the local administration. Its a completely good re, uh, reconstruction, overly worried, hopefully a state state to state level thinking for example level of effort. You can come to this as well of the asian congress. The full was the, a dual, the school, the dependent development. So it means that the, the, the, the defense from the so well because the whole list of the states, they do more than this depends on the, the right to find the correct world. Yeah, but anyway, its to be independent. Its not just the how to develop economics, its how to defend the develop your mentality. So and uh, one of the very important, a russian uh, the issue of development. Its uh, reconstruction over the mind to the uh, to the developers of brush up all the last 5 years left. And he is, its a week with much more attention to the National Ideas and initial values. But at the same time, its sort of what it was on the russian id to breaks old connections with other countries. Because when you develop your own ideas, you could be not very pleasant to all the company. So to do so to stay in your place to be at the initial ideas. Its a very important and 1st of all its very important for the state that ministration. Yeah. And brings us back to your names sake of our home uh, mass load. That Old Development ultimately leads to self actualization. Both on the individual and national level. Mr. My slow, its been great pleasure talking to you. Thank you very much for the video, dynamic conversation. And thank you for watching and hope to hear again. And it was a part of the, [000 00 00;00] the the most affordable cuz it also has the business. And you clean the 3 of the, of the daily shows. I know how many comes for you when you go to it. Its just not good to know. So let me provide you with stuff such and sure. 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