The welcome to worlds apart. Back in the 1999 when the Asian Financial crisis was ravaging the markets, few saw if anything constructive could come out of it. Global leads were hers lead coupling together in groups in order to coordinate future policies and hopefully spend the decline was such a profile as the g 20 another break. So for a while listening to follow, similar developmental paths have been now come to a fork in the road to discuss that im now enjoying by been on the sink. I just tried to direct her on breaks institute. Its good to talk to you. Thank you very much for your time. Take your time out. Its a pleasure to see you in question. Likewise, now before we talk about break sentence resend expansion, or this decision to expand, the rather id like to ask you about the do 20. We just had it summit in india and this 4 months have many parallels. They were profiles to prom and ends by the, by the same of as, and the now it seems and they are also on different trajectories. Even though some of the main members restaurant china, india, and brazil, south africa all in both formats. What do you seeing is the difference in what they do arrive from participating in both them based both . I think the word has gone together to tank game via for hosting a very event for very jo forwarding where the indian style little more the style you can say. Last evening i just clicked on google to see something a bit about 220 in the very 1st news was ocean prestons website is entering the duration. Is there any to to me, this mess . I wish i has accepted it this. I mean, theyre very happy with the different even the time is media, they have come out with the state when that is supposed to just signal for the was the goal and bring it to 6th bush and so forth. If it was at one place, i could just feel like maybe yes, somebody might been neglected. But the, you whos part of the world was in new tally. You know, from everywhere redid myspace stance from 2 big guns is a, well, a lot of it. So thats an interesting move it in history or for my country in the last 75 years died. We see this to invest coming together. Im actually not disputing that i think there is a huge respect for india in uh, russia. And thats one of the reasons, perhaps even a political reason for posting the d. 20 a communicator on the president ial website, but the absence of was present, present, and present. She was quite notable, and i wonder if you think it sounds, any signal also wants to present the morning because im in the present tutor for 11 to go a long way to the next. Before i comment on, is it just the background, and what is the trend team . How is different from the 7 or pix . I just would like to show it to so that im starting in time out of the show for last 25 years. Small division is that the leaders of china and russia, theyre very much focused on development up there on mission their own guns here is to shows mission. If shining us tops growing, paused hill, the world going to make good school, you know, everywhere. This thing while i go to china as well as don, what happened is it 20 . So without china, the adult to the shop. I think the jew 20 becomes a. Im to talk. This is im going to kind of to tell you. So why do you the 2 president s went missing the model because you know, uh they were not happy with the different to what i observed. The news reports and media in 2 countries that very important walks assignments, immuno and lots of china and how long job and hopping presidency has made some very important for us. The decisions seem in dash operation for team had been know, it is new, must have gone for the whole forest, and the fault is mix for divorce into russia. So i think this lead is a very smart to focus on the people in the nation instead of just becoming a soul like this, you know, talking about the whole, what is your country is not developing very goods. I know talking about g, 20 and bricks too. Much of going back to the shows and so we have an investor very small, and i go say best and put them, spend 3 hours to explain. You know, whats happening in the flood is the new Growth Engine over the way with those who respect them in the presence with them is in charge of his own schedule. So he can do both things as but, but he chose to invest piece times elsewhere. And i dont to give it to because of in india because decided buy me some money that is more of a foreign minister traveling outside of india then. And then bryan with the missing any of the conferences. So being a demographic, i think we really want you any or for later as a focus on the, you know, issue a pollution issue of Business Development and economy, employment and vision, motor executive, how many kilometers do you have your bundles on breaks a c o 2 turned into so its so you can say, i think present, put in was i know to go. But can i ask you specifically about the difference in these 2 forms . Because the data points and grouping, i like breaks uh, has a very substantial weston law being the United States and many of the western countries naturally. And they are more interested in promoting their own agenda, the preserving the current state of world affairs, western dominated, political and economic system. And uh, the g 20 comes on the larger influence of the oh, of the west and lobby. Do you think the absence of why both she and put them they have something to do with them . Investing more image and not only in the own countries, but in other parts of the world. For me, it does give some spices in all to the west and media i look see is not going look at that on supporting and exactly the ways to solve is looking, you know, to divide and judge either. So if a to, to do bigger those reading audits and it will just give some it all kind of talk. Sure, some it all bbc interviews that look at all of the india and then not have to india until after the 20 says, i dont see those kind of meals. So coming back to the point, the 20 is very important for rochelle, for china, india, china is send a statement that the time is goal of you know, and dizzy. The millennium build up in goal is very much matching with the trend to what was the question of china is almost achieving all those started goals. And india is this is have been off of them if this one was, if its a one to show one common future. I think, i dont think were talking english in the studio or the studio and basing a studio. Were talking with some common ones that we have to make sure that we are growing all, youll tab in a good employment and our everybodys lives. So that is and then started driving, which initially is the combination. So whether i was in johns work for the big summit or i missed a z 20, i think theres a lot of good, but as much the trend is like, i give you one example english, a language that does all about those, let them the whole address yeah, mix is about fridays. So bridges more focused on salt salt on, on this part of was. So this is a very good example that the trend is really the most important stood a grouping. I dont speak to scott folks on adult good size that i think you should take, but i didnt get mixed judgment. In brazil i participated in many assignments. I, im not criticizing it. Im just interested in exploring the approaches and i agree with you that it seems that the bridge discussions despite it was last time the guy who in used to play by the, by the us to in the rules. But the way you speak thing is the way, all 40 minutes to, to, you know, chords then, you know, pin problem is you know, what the problem with what the problem is, the open problem. So you regarding this please of time read, you know, the diplomatic language or the media is not exactly controlled by the United States or register. So i think we must acknowledge today that we said goodbye to boost and buys when it comes to a guide and makes when it comes to media when it comes to it is a 5 incidental. When it comes to the 20 i, youre saying that the twentys also changing itself with them and despite of having a very large weston, blah blah, not in a big group. Theres more diverse now than it was just like, i would say you obtain and goes there groupings. You know, somebody likes of the son of somebody dont like the son of suzy. 20 of 2020 most 20. 1 of the, of the community. They would go piece one group by us, one by mr. Macro on hit him and all the addition journalists are gave him. There was a big this one daily. So it was coughing and youre all them and divided before and a should have been done for the k. So theres no, theres no longer the shouldnt even come pick the really united the best and all so empty. Obviously they were fighting with this with the gentlemans, the friends, the u. K. Came out of the, you know, that the best see to see. So end of the day it was time for an issue i know freak out to make policy really most of can back you know, global policies on Climate Change on 5 instead of additions and died tourism. We were doing it. And this time pressing both team members and so it didnt go with the with, theyre happy with the we had mr. Brian. Mr. Moti didnt mention the word to the shot in the finance degree this, which is a leading me to my next question about india. Because india is a very particular case, both with brakes within brakes and within the g 20 because uh, more than others is against intensifying antagonism. It tries to sort of freeze these harmonizing language and the some of with has to do with your spiritual and political condition, non violence, unknown alignment. But uh, yeah, absolutely. But um, we also leave in the times when the geopolitics is pretty of noxious. Um, how long do you thing in there will be able to sit on this 2 stools and dont you think perhaps its, um, its more harmonizing than the time skillful or perhaps that this has its own strategy. You should study. I think so. Diplomats diplomatic language is quite uh for the i dont get it what to say. You know, the good size, the why do you know, but then it will give size the country. So for me of one thing is a clear even less to speeds less everything present official, humans environment. Some will the example go to times ran him and talked about making india. So theres a lot of things which. 1 mission 14 is impressed with india and do even in china they, they like good the for, and we still frame the old books very dearly, you know, to the, well, it seems a Little Research diplomatic world that it. So what im going to say oaks are not doing cushion that know whether we just want to be like um, in the middle of lean on the line. We have good terms with registers we have with tom sweet to me this year. But the fact is that, you know, im having a solid here. So maybe many people in india, the other services that shows that we do talk saying this, right . And im saying this right in front of a studio is where is the green card . For example, as an a family, you know, other child and i hit someone. My mother was out there by here. So when, because there were some long, long time racial but in the population said no, no my charlie is there. Can i do that, or is there any point inside the room . So to can stay as it was your thing on the bed, not me, disability people that my child is wrong. But in this im saying many indians, you know, and the sort of the book here, what happened is, you know, theyre not good to go. But the good to come out and say you arrive during this time, thats as you mentioned and not only present, put it, it was very complimentary refresh morning, but present in by then it was to a very happy with the reception or she was given in the india and its pretty clear and that seem to, is being quarantined by the west particular by the United States to become some sort of a counterbalance or a, me even maybe a bulwark against china. For now its a, its been, is being balance. But do you think that americans get all for india anything to express to, to sort of the code the more expressed way into the western county . No thought if anybody in the shows wasnt india for 75 years. This is not the 1st time. In fact, publish the manual as a rental usa, youre good, very good. Welcome and the like in deal because we said the colonial background out the colonized by the british vehicle, nesbitt vish. So to be honest, i spend some time in usaa, youre also studying usa, theyre like india. Im sorry, im being is no ever the one in the student as good as a she lives them yesterday when he didnt good was killed in usa. So you know, the way to look at the things so Many Americans and in those they have some connection at all because of Silicon Valley because to begin with is super huge. So what im douglas is that we divided how we look at the problem in, in, in jenna america, bought a degree in our defense equity is quite different. We used to buy everything from bradshaw, all the somebodys or the guys know it shows more that we are to supply. I say it again is special is not able to supply the only officer we have is us it or for us. Sometimes no other guns. It can take part of the shot, the torso put boss of fighting. India in the a one to stand is very clear. We dont want quite a while to point to we dont want. We saw i also started, i was young man, but in 90 and i was one of them is. So i dont realize how serious was gore was when i went to the school in high school. The courtyard was over like 1991. I went to the high school, not even as close as 10 years old, so i had no idea how was gore what, what . But when i speak to my teachers this, it was very scary. The, the guy is the guns as well so far are developing countries because we have to do business with us. Yeah. We have to do business with us here with china. But i mean, what is blocking sanctions noted . No kind of shit, man, a engine businessman and then losing money. Theyre also making money by buying and selling was, but theyre losing money. So my, while it, it goes to assign a, is that, no, its not a single india and out of 1400000 indian was that the 2nd boys watch . Well, i think the russians, sure this is variation for sure and, but for the time being, lets take a very short break. We will be back in just a few moments states in the us the the welcome back to all the parts. We have some video on things, i just shot to the director of the sing of 3 experience. You can fit you before the break. We started talking about the, the ceiling of injustice and you know, the desire to believe out of your own soul or out of your own collective soul. One way say, um, i think um, asia a search for many and they can so centuries was deliberately westernized. I mean, there was a deliberate effort to change who those people were, you mean, just sort of quantization in the rushing china through economic incentives and sometimes political pressure. Do you think at this point, there is at least realization in the west that all these nations, as well as on the nations, deserve the right to be themselves and develop a as a you know, that history in their own situation require then anesthesia and india, philippines, maybe some one or 2 more countries are like all who are with some eyes more than what we wanted. Because despite regards independence in the long, bad, 4745. 00, but it was an order to independence they made as part of the common rose and they decided most of the time, the influenced our Foreign Policy would. When we talk to home, we talk to assume there is something very defending issue. It was more a bad thing, bad, bad. The bridge between this thing is the language of private. Some narrow that, you know, risk speaking is so a week would be the bridge between any problem in asia and europe, and thats why prime is a neutral game for the guardian guns and spears conference was proposed by indian delegate is and theyre not the emissions. And the china, this bid mom, can buddha allow us indo china or india . It was one of demand later in the janet what congress and this in bundling, we really decided to come out for the non 11 woman. So the headlines up to 20 in new delhi is that maybe india is coming back as though a smoke solution for those solids for the developing what, of course, any going to the big like india, they dont seem to become, as im and busters, or some global lead is so we invited for the big things, but in the other day, i am personally very good to go because in the eyes, all of us denies. Everything is in a copy it from a canadian america. Now you get it cause issues and which is not helping the people who live in Something Like pies like we have been was. So for me, china is a bond korea and all assume countries the side to was to nice. But then the, you know, the ability to go, so there were some, as in, very far than this to you to immunize like, you know, all is going in but direction. It is rest, amazing, but a primary some movie and his team, you know, that serving the name of india. Thats in the lot of things just because the thing that so india looks like the very it opened got the rest of those countries. So this and this move has been already criticized, not only by the western as well, i think also some going into this uh, love using decisions that sort of overtures to uh, in products the indian uh name in the, in the native language. And the number of countries uh, who did that. For example, turkey changed his name to turkey. And by the way, turkey also liked this matter for being a bridge between the east and the west. Russia has changed its name but came back to its old soviet alpha and uh, what do you make of this . Uh, trend of, uh, sort of not less than settling going bad, but bringing some of the previous history, sometimes not very glorious history because uh the soviet history is a, is there a controversial one but trying to sort of rely not only on the recent past, but also your grass roots a, im sorry, im not going to be incorrect here and i may have some problem when i go back, but im pretty a guest this move because us i had same similar issues in china. If you compare it and be able to talk, its very different story because talk is a, sorry, could bob big. But india has the 2nd largest Muslim Population in the was we have cushions. What is 10 different people . So the foundation of india is very different with the foundation of walk as time and look what focused on is having problem. You know, you guys have a country just for one people, the one that lives in one country. So india should be india. And of that, but what does it mean . I mean, is that, is this a new republic over everyone . Is the quote and the evidence theyre using as a quote. We are 2nd or every language is equal. And the best thing that i was born does the india is to my story and said picking one city. And now its india is becoming just 15. 00 to 1. 00 language is one. The reason is very hard for me to speak to anybody from a free golf from middle is that india is example for the poor road diverse and sing. So im sorry, i come from a democratic country, i can size my go, im and that if youre doing it for an election for getting him to awards, does pretty goods. But if you attend the constitution of india, maybe its not helpful. Google india has a very good soft. 7 or india is not done with the power. It does not stop. Uh, so youre going to expire, were at the 5. But when we talk about the india in the shop, the people like push the people like a different culture of thousands of people like india because they also india have go all where we have cushions. We also like the engine. So my point is that india is the most to diver scanty and good sleep guntee. And if somebody does, i do it all bent it in this one. Color is not good to mess as well as speaking about diversity, or we need to come back to the issue of breaks expansion. And i know that the india had his own position on the expansion of criteria. And the position, i think was somewhat adults with china, but in any cases, this uh, least of new members, uh, argentina c o, p age of iran, saudi arabia, and the United Arab Emirates is puzzled. Many observers because somebody expected other countries to mean the least the expected measure do a specter intermission. Yeah. And how do you understand these thoughts on motivations behind the selection . Little the indian side was not ready because there was no fam while called to expand the membership, even though its not the shape of it anything that 5 ship while they were running late to come out with the exam and the lead us as them come on give a document, but um, and so its a pretty good game. So the guys like in the, the, the different kind of population and present. But im full size going for election. And due to corruption in salt to free go power card too. Theres a lot of ball shooting, a lot of the buildings coming down explosion. I just realized that if it goes this way and if the president unfortunately is not getting elected. So he married to a very personal issue. So its, hell be out, was his candidate and like that bush and put in also made cause to brainer. Some more the uh, 8 on came in like. 5 an all to, to is bag. I opened the news on id and i see that the, the fuel prices, gas prices had been decided together that it will not come down below 80. So, you know, the price in india is very high. So i believe everything is what it takes. Everything is good. Nomics this. Uh, the good thing about this is that uh they do it every using. So you got moderate 2 guns, a of browsers gum ordered to guns is a south of you gotta get 2 guns is empty. I gave you e as im going to, im going to inform is too, so i dont take me exactly what to but when i speak to the defend delegates, they told me that everyone of the tries there was so nobody was detected, you know, just to get now, all of these, a founding members of the brakes, uh they are very different, but they have one thing in common which is silver and to the ability of silver and independent Decision Making on domestic affairs. And the inflow of some influence degree of influence globally regional powers, by the very nature of more limited than disregard. And then those always free to do what they want even about own home. How do you think the inclusion of 56 more members that the increases that longer than doubles the size of the girl . How do you seeing is will change the internal dynamics . Its really just because, you know, the idea of break was given by a british economy is stand alone backend. Because of the us part of the suitcases. We also got infected. So we said, why dont we . Uh it was for prime is simply michel for decided winery. We have better gordon mission. So you started vision put in said to all the business man in the conference, dont fall in the trap 2nd time. What do you mean to say is that you dont have to do . What do you mean to say that . If i give it good to you that you know, we have to have our own product . So system of the she always kept growing. China really good growing and we always give growing. So dont use into i was, i mean it goes bureau and dollars. Lets do business and how can i see and nobody can impact us. So we really dont have any problems. A guy says if we are dealing with the who both, so all support for the bush and of china is business is in the in the rules and route you on india is also bring on was 5 to 10 boss. And so of back to question i think go, what does that lead to full . Gunther is where the best dentist for the big as for the day one is because indian in china is gone. And me is understanding, going to me is, is all about it going to be a grouping of the words. Politics is local enrollment says good. I didnt, thats of the for orders. Theyve done this very well. Sure. But you know, signing up really wanted to bring. So to go and salter, because my link, im sorry, is this was going to be going to be the, the, the, be the people but they know as a so mr. Armstrong is to say, it doesnt go ok. Why does, what are the media . This is for the last 10 years, you know, what, disabled big, this is the talking shop. But now the thing is no more talking shop. Now, why . Because we are talking about good se about said most, thats it. So expensive is bored. No doubt. But, you know, it doesnt have to be, i do research what breaks i. So im very focused on 5 countries, but not if you ask me anything about it, youll be, i bought a didnt to not, im sorry to resist, to blah, blah, blah. Well, you will have, i guess more war, her voice in the, in the, in the near future. We have to leave it there. Its been great talking to you. Thank you very much and thank you. Of course im, i dont think we go word many topics and thank you for hard to say, i hope the searing down on the worlds of parts the, the says 2016. Numerous monuments to soviet soldiers and poland, ukraine and the Baltic States have been destroyed or event line is dish. Theres stuff, but it must be the most certainly within. Yeah. Unless or even some others could. I ask if i think so thats the most on whether its expressed what has been the Police Government denies the rules. So itd be assumed just in the victory of a naziism. And is it raising historical memories of world war 2 . It is the 40 piece one your story. Although it did seem the non c regimes, the trustees would remain, thinks in peoples consciousness, but have a but as long as russell phobia is profitable and brings dividends, you are willing to have a to rewrite the cost. Yes, to, to take up the aisle provides, i need to see because fox do, i need october 30th the us some boston to, to kind of get confirmed intelligence from the 5 eyes states was behind just into those allegations of new dealers, involvements and the coming of a prominent to see, id service the weeks to get stories of these 5 degree dr. Spike in violence and then a gordon. I taught a bach region as i was about john long sorted, called on to the service of measures against thought. Many positions under versus foreign minister calls for a form of global Decision Making, specing that the un needs and overall of groups fight breaks and all leading the way. It was very easy for me to and especially its high time to reform the existing Global Governance architecture as soon as possible. It hasnt met the requirements so, but youre all for a long time. The expansion of the Security Council is also becoming more and more into ma