. ah, ah . ah museums are important for preserving our history. so that it is a lot to future generations. but our physical museum spaces themselves, a relic of the past. this is one of the best museums in the world or from a touch and st. peter's, how rocky is the director here? and i bet he has met when i would chose the wrong one. i'll just don't need you to fill out this thing because the after an engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground. ah, in a world where no subject seems to be too sensitive to make money off of telling the story of the world's most horrific serial killer has become a multi $1000000000.00 industry. but unlike fictional stories, the victims and the stories are real and the trauma, the experience can last the life. i'm sorry, now he's on this mission of 360 view. we're going to look at societies obsession. what does the oversaturated of gory portrayals in the media actually manipulate the public perception of the killers and possibly inspire other ah, there is no doubt pop culture has a major effect on society. over the past 70 years, there has been a significant rise in tv shows and films which include a crime, the 34 year old killer young children, women working in massage parlors through his home, killed him, would have learned weapon mutilated their bodies and buried them in the mountains and so these are the things the tell tale signs of somebody that's going to become a serial killer. thousands of films had been made in the last 15 years, about fictional and non fictional serial killers. in fact, the term, a serial killer itself, comes from hollywood as a prior to the $900.00 seventy's. they were just known as mass murderers. i guess serial killer did better with focus groups or did the term do a better job of dehumanizing and ever present yet rare threat. thus making an audience not think they are loved. one could ever be a victim dislike. they probably won't meet an alien or a deadly monster from the underworld. but that can be considered a very false sense of security. now, according to the f, b i, there are 25 to 50 active as serial killer cases ongoing. at any moment in the usa and the u. s. leads of the race with more than $3000.00 and serial killers throughout us history. this is by far the largest number with great bit britain coming in 2nd 166 killers recorded. so considering the largest amount of media and hollywood attention comes from the united states, could this have a direct correlation on the large amount of serial killers in the country? to help us look at the media's portrayal of serial killers and what they're getting wrong, we want to bring in michael and lin matthews. now michael lynn produce a documentary on sex crimes and abuse in the military entitled justice denied michael himself is a survivor of sexual assault in the military. welcome to you both. now michael, you produce a document. terry, on sexual assault in the military. tell us about your work. okay, well, you know, i was raised in the military when i was 19 and i didn't tell anybody for 30 years. and when i finally came forward in a counseling session, then having some problems. i realize that this is a big issue then then then just myself, i always thought it was just me, you know. and then loom got lost. so my husband came forward that his rate in the military and his though it is in counseling and some challenges and struggles. and i said, you know, we're going to get through this, you know, with support and education. we'll figure out how to go forward separately and together. and in that process, my husband made a suggestion about making a documentary we were up at sundance film festival. while working with a filmmaker, kirby dick and reduce it easier with the documentary, the invisible war. and when michael was hospitalized suddenly in utah during sundance, he said, oh, i think wishing it ill and i thought, what's the morphine talking? um and i said yeah, he sure will make a film no problem. we get home back to new mexico from you all. and i thought that it for that a day, and i said, we're going to do this. we're gonna make the film. i had no film experience, it's probably better that i didn't know what i was doing while might not have attempted it at all. and so i contacted someone in film community here which we had a large community and i reached out to michael l. miller. he is the director and i am the co director and i said we want to do this film. and as it turns out, michael l. miller. oh, the director had made documentary before and so i thought he could assist us in, in getting, you know, the a, the conversation and just the other parts that needed to happen. so anyway, we met with michael and i provided the subjects. and before i knew it, we were producing a documentary. and it's, it's a little rough looking. we had a small budget, but, and it made it all the way to amazon, so you will get distribution. so your distribution on it made its way around. we went through a lot of film festivals with it and it was an interesting process was for novice at the time. oh, but you know, be the most of the biggest thing was was old. although, although likes it were ruined in the united states armed forces by rape and murder, it regarding the subjects in the documentary, i was lucky enough to come across to men that were in the military that were survivors of jeffrey dahmer. and i was quite interesting. it gave us an insight into serial killers and how they are in all facets of society, including the military and how sometimes people can really stay under the radar for a really long time. say well actually yeah, um and i was instrumental in bringing them on board because they were very sketchy . they had a lot of people approached and being that they were like jeffrey down and, you know, took a lot of talking on the phone and being a survivor myself. you know, they, they trusted me more than they trusted of the directors and movie producers. so you know that gus, that got i got their feet went to that aspect of it. why are so many serial killers also sexual abusers? i think i'll a loony black was a cheap qual court. why are so many serial killers, sexual abusers, etc. this is a very good question. when you look at nature versus nurture, sometimes you can look back to the history of a particular person and you can see how they were raised to they have a good attachment to their caregivers. were where they isolated by jeffrey dahmer, for example, my understanding is that he had a mother that had depression and that also was not able to nurture him and hold him . and she didn't want anyone else touching him either. so you know, that can really wear on someone physically and mentally that's, that's a very poor attachment. and also jeffrey dahmer, my understanding is that when he became an adolescent he was also having questions about sexuality. and so he had issues around that. and i think his father was probably very unhappy with the road he was taking and basically encouraged him to join the army. and as far as sexual assaults, if you look back up regarding people that are abused, not everybody becomes a serial till it's been sexually abused. and or physically use it any other way. i think it's probably a multitude of factors. you have to also look at the psychological aspects of an individual. do they have a personality disorder on? is there uh, is there familial environment in some type of disarray? do they have any type of brain damage? no, there's a lot of other factors that figuring to why someone might become a serial killer. it's not that black and white. so in your view, do you think united states produces more serial killers than any other countries per capita? or this really a global phenomenon from the reading said, i have john and speaking to other people in law enforcement as well. it seems to me that there are serial killers, you know, all over the world, not just in, in western countries. i think we have a lot of access to, to media. she could, you know, all kinds of media computers, radio, television podcast. so if you hear more about things like this, and also it seems as though at least american society, if it bleeds, it leads people love the sensationalism. they love freddy krueger and they love dexter. and any other names of the ones i can't well, but they're installed with the television characters. i mean to glorify dexter. it's like, wow, this guy is a hero. he's like robin hood, he's killing serial killers and he and his and in his role, he plays a police officer. so it's, you know, it's kind of an interesting juxtaposition. and then there's not a show called berry, that's on netflix and you've got on a veteran that comes back from either a rack or an a stand. and he wants to be an actor and he goes on to hollywood and takes a class and, but on his time off, he's a serial killer. so he so hate serial killer. who's out on, you know, like i said, we tend to glorify things. there is murder obelia on a e day and on a lot of other sites you can buy, you know, artwork drawn by, you know, john wayne gacy or manson. i mean, so people are so me thrall to mean, you know, look at halloween, people are glued to their t, v sets, you know, watching, you know, horror of the day. you young movies, you know, it is kind of crazy, but it's kind of saying, because i believe probably that there is a lot of copycats in a lot of the stuff of the serial killing. you know, just like on the mass murders, i don't know if they consider the mass murders people, serial killers, although they kill more than one, but more than 3 people, which is the qualification. but, you know, this goes on and on and, and a lot of these people love problems, watch this, and they wanna emulate these of me. for example, when you look at something like, you know, the holocaust, is that the serial killer, you know, that's available if you look at the school shootings, look at parkland parkland high school. and the killer was given life in prison because he had some type of neurological issues. then you look at, i'm trying to think, um, bear with me a 2nd. oh, in new mexico, here we have the, the west mesa killer. it seems to be a prostitutes that they were finding in grades mostly. and then you go to new york and you've got the yoga beach killer, which was very similar to the west mesa killer in new mexico where you have prostitutes again, that were buried. but in along the idealists, via the dunes in the swap, ears, where is it a sign of a sick society that we both produce so many serial killers and almost seem to idolize them in a weird sort of way. i don't know which sick i, you know, more as it is as a fascination to white people do something. i mean, uh, we go back when i was a kid. i remember the movie, the bosses wrangler, played by tony curtis. i mean, you know, i think we would just fascinated by why another human being would kill so many people. you know. i don't know. what do you think, lynn? yeah, i definitely think there is a bass, an issue with gore. just like people want us when you're driving along the freeway as a car crash, you know, people have breaking their looking while they look at, you know, just keep going. but most people, with the exception of myself will, you know, want to look. there is some kind of fascination with, like i said, blood and gore and guts. ah, why that is i, i really don't know. we've been thinking with michael and lind matthews. producers are the documentary film and justice denied. now stick around when we come back. we will continue the conversation on a serial killer obsession i'm screen of use with the 360. ah huh. at this hour, american and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm iraq, to free people, and to defend the world from great. who's with we will bring to the iraqi people, food and medicine in supplies. and freedom with is your media a reflection of reality in the world transformed what will make you feel safe? 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well, i can speak for myself as the wife of her survivor. i got my own counseling. i reached out to support groups online. there was some female, better in groups that were very welcoming to me. and as a clinician myself, i think there are a lot more resources now than there used to be with respect to sexual assault, or per se, whether it's the re crisis center or groups online. you don't even have to leave your house if you just zoom just like we're doing right now. so there are a lot more resources for people. and i think that's the 1st step to healing, which is being able to tell another person that something happened to you that you need help. and very often with survivors of sexual. so it can take 10 years, 5018 years, 20 years with someone to feel safe enough to come forward to someone that they trust and share that they are hurting and that they need help. and that's an opportunity at that point to share resources or to assist someone in finding the resources. i myself was the in counseling at the v, a in new york at the time was at the mine alone. we went back and my wife was working with your city fire department, dual counseling, and it was a lot of issues for me. i had pitas deleted, know, happy tuesday. and i was gone to the b a for counseling. and the counselor one day she just looked at me and she was want to tell me better rate in the middle of a session. and they were told re they but that impulse, anybody my tire tire, 30 years of the woods. and i just broke down and i told her everything, and i don't know why. and i asked the later what, why, why did you wanna ask this question that i tell you to was no, but you were just talking and everything wasn't fitting. and i've seen so many men that were raped in the military. that, you know, i just figured i'd throw it out there and see what to do and don't. that's the reason i came out with them. i came home one day, they worked on a counseling for a few sessions at eric on the tell my wife who was also a counselor here. so it was, it is hey, she was like and i never knew him. well, i didn't know that there was underline, depression, and anxiety. i was aware of that, as far as annual courage will go to class anchors. i said, what was going on like, what's bothering you and, and he, he didn't verbalize anything specific. so i said, no, you had this benefit at the be a, you know, why don't you don't use it. so he pick me up from work one evening and he said hi, i want to talk to you. and that's not something i usually say, no, i don't have the fail or something. right. well, you know, i'm sitting in the car and thinking i said to him, you know, are you sick like kid, get cancer? no. do you do something legal? no. ah, do you have a girlfriend? no. do you have a boyfriend? no. i think i went to like every question in my own mind. and i was like, oh, okay, great. you know it's something serious. and then when we, we got home, he sat down and shared with me what had happened. and in some strange way, i was almost relieved to know that there was something that we hadn't talked about together for that was 20 years into our marriage a time. and i was, i wasn't crazy. and that now was an opportunity to go forward with some healing. do you think things, films, and documentaries are cathartic? are there actually triggering, why does the universe keep doing this to me? lisa, continuing to investigate a 2nd letter, my belief in rich killer, i talked to one of the victims of jeffrey dahmer. ah, the survivors and i. e. e. he was quite annoyed actually because they don't betray correctly. you know, um he, he tell some wild interesting stuff about it that we been using the movie that jeffrey dahmer used to call him. when i went, when this guy went home back to arkansas billy capture, he used to get phone calls from, from jeffrey down. when he's travel across the country and he actually told the billy kappa charlotte, he killed her. um, what was the kids name? wash adam wall? adam walsh, yet he killed a he called him from florida and said he just killed adam. wash in hollywood, florida. and you know, that it really, really bizarre stuff that you know, went on and he would torment billy what before he was captured, isa, called 1000000000 torment them all the time on the telephone. it's kind of her interesting stuff there. you know, it's a, it's like they really enjoy the are the tormenting the victims. and actually jeffrey darla was planning on killing ah, the, to his 2 victims in germany. and he told that it to the milwaukee police in the yard, in the documents that he mentioned that he raped that. so it's not, it's not the, it wasn't a make believe or it wasn't supposedly she did this. he did this and you know, he actually admitted to it. and in iowa, actually there's a on the, i don't, i know billy capture was visited by the, the german police and in a poll. want to know more about geoffrey, because they believed that he had raped and killed some young men in germany when he was there. why don't have his like this? i can't articulate the way that i wish i did. what it felt like to be told because you were raped in your sleep, you are not worthy of dying for the united states of america. are these cathartic experiences since oftentimes victims and family members don't get to talk about what happened to them. well i know one thing i know it was for me, it was okay, but i went to a lot of counseling, let prolong exposure. you know, it became very easy for me to talk about what happened to me as a rape survivor. i know a for billy kappa shaw's after he did the movie and then came forward more and now he's gone other other a speaking engagement, it's becoming easier for him. so yeah, i probably desperate cathartic. but i let linda evolve more of that for myself. as a clinician, as the spouse of a survivor, i'm, i'm fairly comfortable talking about trauma and traumatic events. i think for survivors in general. whether it's saw the towers falling $911.00, whether it's jeffrey dahmer. i think the more that survivors have an opportunity to share their feelings and tell their story. there is a d sensitization that takes place where it becomes easier over time, emotionally to share about this. yeah, if you think about what we do as a society and how we, how we relate to these a, these rapists and then eventually a lot of become killers, is that we let them fly under the radar. select the military let and jeffrey dahmer go and they had him, they put him in jail, it 12 people would still be alive today from that. and if you go off into the, the college campuses and, and, and the boy scouts and, and the catholic church. you know, if they just would do something about it, it would, it would make a big difference. thank you so much, michael and lana matthews. our viewer should be sure to check out your documentary justice denied, exposing a ramp at sexual abuse. united states armed forces in the case of serial killers, there are 3 point of use to examine it with the victim. often being given the least amount of attention, monsieur killers, are able to commit their horrendous acts. because prior to their 1st victim, there were labeled an outcast, therefore their crime is not hurting anyone or anything they care about. serial killers looked the media and hollywood to give them the attention. the n boost their owner self esteem, something their prior life before killing offered. now the public has an attraction to these stories, mainly because they want to find an answer or reason behind the killers madness. rarely are those answers found and even more fascination and yours, where there is demand supply is quick to be produced, which produces a high profit. however, is it not just those seeking answers consuming and hoping for more material? rather, it could also be those serial killers who are looking themselves to become a household name. i'm going out here and this has been your 360 view of the news affecting you. thanks for watching. huh. ah. hard, i'm rick sanchez. and i'm here to play with you, whatever you do. you do not watch my new show. seriously. why watch something, but so different. my little opinions that you won't get anywhere else work of it. please do have the state department, the c i a weapons, bankers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your facts for you. go ahead. i changed and whatever you do, don't watch my show, stay mainstream because i'm probably gonna make you uncomfortable. my show is called direct impact, but again, you probably don't want to watch it because it might just change. and the wayne thing with for museums are important for preserving our history so that it is a loss to future generations. but our physical museums, places themselves a relic of the past. this is one of the best museums in the world or from a touch in st. petersburg to help buffy is the director here and i bet he has met today. and this is new and never done before. we trigger the general cape club. that means national government can come into the economy as much as a nickel and take a little frantic to lead, holding them up. and yet we didn't think about that yet. it to us own to that have all the languages there. my son, he died in the me a message, the sick at sick with diarrhea. i'm on the financial due to to this is a full be ready to just this. and he, sadly, i mean, so that it resets on phone, go out shamefully from lam. i'm not sure who to she, buddy, thought, i'll agree to give her a soon. it will be nice to read. this will be too and i want your probably much of a more stable don't receive by not because i know some of what i would give them. the dollar less less, you know, with powerful explosions from a parent grown shrikes. i reported, and major ukrainian cities destroy electrical power infrastructure. also ahead. who's in south africa, president is marked by the political opposition as he delivered his state of the nation address that those need to it a state as disaster in the country over its crippling energy shortage is a combo lee in general says un peacekeeping forces killed 8 protesters as a rally devolved into violence and arrested eastern part of the democratic republic of congo with an adviser to serious president and.