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Of course, you know, what we want to discuss with you today is your recent statement that all smartphones in russia might become disabled. Some say that you just tried to scare people, is the existing technology that can make it possible. And if so, how or not by tucker, so, but as evelyn and the, lets talk about this statement. First. I never made any such statement. Didnt of you said our i phones might be disabled to which i replied, do not worry, android based smart phones might be disabled, as well. As for the technology aspect, there are 2 factors here. Almost all smartphones have a built in remote disabling functionality. This was developed so that users could remotely turn off a loss smartphone, for example, to make sure that their private data wasnt stolen was this feature one can either raise all stored information or disable the smartphone altogether. Basically turning it into a brick. This feature is documented and if it is available to the user, obviously the platform can take advantage of it as well through phone manufacturers can also use it. But there is also an undocumented feature. Our specialist looked into this matter and they discovered that many smartphones have the disabling feature. Of course, we havent examined all fans. That would be a Massive Research board did look at a small range of models user. So the situation is not great and that respect, you have to understand that in essence, the real own of your smartphone is its manufacturer. When the russian, all sorties talk about import substitution. There is one of the reasons we use technology that is controlled by an external manufacturer. Unfortunately, Information Technology is controlled by developers and producers not uses her pay money for their technological product, but gone for she, you learn in that case. Can we say that this is a serious Cyber Threats . Not all smartphone producers are even based in the u. S. Ha, no, it was. None of them were medical skill. These are mostly american companies, the platforms i found, or android, or developed in the u. S. So this kind of control is a potential capability. It doesnt look like your typical on off switch, of course. Anyway, that is the most important factor. But having this technological capability is one thing, and other question is, will they decide t . Is it a war . Yes, thats what im talking about. Yep. Will a go . I think it might be possible if there is a series escalation and the war, and it would be some type of hybrid strategy. Simply disabling smartphones in some territories, pointless. This measure will likely have to be part of some kind of package. For example, if we become very successful on the front lines and the west realizes that it can do anything about this. We could certainly expect some hybrid attacks in the Information Space and simultaneous actions that would significantly damage our infrastructure when it was this necessarily affect smartphones, or maybe would they target base stations or other i o t elements . I cant make any predictions. I can only say that there is a hypothetical possibility. So stood her, ill be meaningful. There were diverse reactions to your comments. So ma, skeptical, im about research group. Experts, for example, said that if disabling smartphones was a realistic Cyber Threats, we could talk about disabling aircraft equipment, which hasnt happened on seems like this option is not on the table. What do you say about that already . Got a couple or 3 of the buckles, though, as though its proposing bread with. Well, 1st we do not know what is on the table. Before late february, there had been a lot of things, we thought would be impossible, but now we are witnessing the disabling of several infrastructure elements. We are registering a drastic increase in attacks. Major retainers are sold for 10 euros in our country. He would have predicted Something Like that 6 months ago history and i will not dare to predict what will happen as for disabled, across technology. When you are waging a hybrid war, you have to have a reason for every action. Why would you disable airplanes right now . What would be the goal, the might be exaggerating this potential. If we talk about military chance, this is one thing. But with civilian aircraft, you must have a purpose. I do not think they would do Something Like that. Just for the sake of disabling that is just wrong with her. You have to understand that if they demonstrate some potential capability, like disabling smartphones, the country will mobilize its resources, figure out a work around, and it will be much harder to do Something Like that. Next time. So if youre going to pull this kind of switch, you have to really think about everything and make sure this will ashley be a serious blow. We can safely assume that it will be a well sought out stab norwin that we did have covered. So if i understand correctly, this was just a warning it comparable, glistening in your brain loss portal, no phone ring. As of course, i was asked if there was technically possible. What you called a statement was really just the comment. My answer is yes. Technically it is possible and mobile system experts should understand that smartphones can be disabled. Hutchings not from the system. So she told me that a, is there a chance that other key infrastructure elements could be disabled . And if so, what would they be . Horizontal grinnell, that all depends. Earlier i mentioned base stations automated process control systems also come to mind, especially if theyre connected to the internet. Our society has been actively Going Digital in recent years. This process has been very evident in the so called internet of things sector, for example, implementing internet connected systems that help establish Remote Control over certain objects. Read data, et cetera. Remote control means that you can influence things remotely as well, but thats just how it is. There is no other way to go on. So it is important to check for such remote influence capabilities in various systems. That is why why as a 1st president ial orders after the start of the special military operation, excluded for in software from Critical Infrastructure elements. It also prescribed Additional Information security measures. The government understands that this threat exists and that it needed to be neutralized. Isnt it too late . What is known . Think of this before . Well, normally going, if this was addressed before, the input substitution concept was adopted in 2015 or rather in 2014. It happened when some key elements were disabled. The bank of russia was at one point disconnected from the swift system. While visa must car stopped working for a period of time in certain territories with we realised that import substitution was significant. From here, a special program was created, the unified register of russian programs for Electronic Computing machines and databases was established. Then the same was done for hardware. But somebody unfortunately for several reasons, the process of input substitution was not as efficient as we would have liked. Everybody had gotten used to doing things a certain way for there is also a general understanding that the quality of important systems is better when you rec, naturally it is a totally different situation. When you use a system on millions of computers or in a limited number of machines, when he cant have the same quality without scaling, the Foreign Companies also have an influential lobby in our country. Thats why the whole impulse substitution process was once that forward one step sideways stock and one step back. And nevertheless some steps were taken and we have moved forward even compared to 2014 assigning. I think the situation is much better now. The realtor question would welcome in, but oh no, lets just go back to your comments about the possibility of smartphones being disabled. Are there any steps we could take right now to avoid this scenario . Graham was to jeff. Yeah. Because of what was bookstore so, so i would say there are 2 groups of steps that can be taken. The state can do to prevent us from happening, and what individual smartphone uses can do. But these are 2 separate issues to discuss. Lets start with a state. It could develop an application and make it free for smartphone uses. That would switch off this mechanism, crucial Something Like this can be done. This type of technology is presently available and perhaps the stake and also introduce import substitution measures. In this area as well in but we have operating systems of our own and the performance, im not competent enough in this domain to judge their performance. But there are the aurora and capacity operating systems, which are perhaps worth regarding an alternative to the foreign made mobile software. Or perhaps we could use chinese software. However, i do not saying this approach would be reasonable, as it would effectively mean trading bad for worse. So its not right little thats what the state could undertake to remedy the situation. As for individual users, 1st of all, i would not recommend getting rid of the old beg button mobile phones. You never know, perhaps they will come in handy at a certain point. Code, dig the mad just in case, and also i do not saying smartphone blockage will happen over night. It will likely be a gradual process. Besides, some smartphones may be turned off. On some devices, mobile data uses off, others are disconnected from the network. And if we finally see that the process is gaining speed, it will be possible to switch to other communication means in order to stay connected. I do not saying china will choose to play mean tricks on us football. The potluck thought was from what bridge store look at that is using Chinese Technology really that bad an option, as you said, trading bad for worse. I mean there are countries that are on the same side of the fence with the brochure in this regard. Laudable, for a little bit, he got with them about. Oh, hinged their thoughts. I did not saying china will choose to play mean tricks on us, for at least they wont block anything intentionally. For sure, going for them. This is a wonderful business opportunity. First law has to step of their mobile device sales sheet, but the problem is that the chinese are in a very dependent position themselves. As far as the cell phone market is concerned, in most chinese catches are powered by android. While we have switched off Google Mobile Services and developed an android platform of its own wm and its own app market, a system for content distribution we, but its still android and we do not know whether it is safe to use. So we havent looked into this yet, a separate study is needed to establish if there are any risks there. But i do not saying that using these google power, mobile devices, no matter who manufactured them, would be in any way more secure. The dealer would have thought, where is the Decision Making sense located the generates cybersecurity threats, like disabling smartphones in the u. S. Council. And what do you think yourself . Well, yes, i think its her whom i am of that im working with in this way. This is, you may be right, it is where our enemies are, you know, but you know, im not so much worried about the hostile activities, but rather about the fact that the Threat Landscape in russia has changed so drastically. The number of Cyber Attacks where getting has searched and many foreign made Cyber Security systems have stopped working. Actually, as you know, many Foreign Software producers have withdrawn from the russian market and therefore sees to provide maintenance for their systems is tied up for. But at the same time, nobody seems to care. Every one is at ease. We are still operating the same programs we had before. The special military operation was launched by nasha. And we see todays kia, ca, nomic, indicators telling us we need to boost digitalization by such and such percent, et cetera. I do not get it, frankly. Is it negligence or sloppiness or stupidity . It is clear that the programs need to be replaced or adjusted for digitalization to go on in this situation, but no one is doing anything by now. Who are these people enemies or are they simply incapable of grasping the level of threat we are facing . The situation has changed drastically when you were quoted doubly all this year. So vehement in criticizing the programs which no one is willing to adjust to the changing situation. Let me ask you something. What are the 3 main changes that needs to be introduced . Me name them for them, or the la jolla professor war winnie to analyze. War is lacking in russia. What we critically need to cover all the gaps to keep the entire infrastructure running smoothly and avoid the risk of mobile device blockage across russia. In cybersecurity, this called achieving the level of non realization of the west threat formula. And in order to do this, we need to identify what it is that were lack of thousands of dollars. And then woody to think of ways to bridge the existing gaps and fill up these deficient when he to identify what needs to be done. Some expert teams engage professionals or perhaps commission 10, or say 5 companies to develop solutions on a competitive basis. And then choose the best product, or we could come up with a new mechanism or filling these gaps in and when each set of rigid deadline it say 12 or 18 months, or 2 years, or even 3, depending on the systems complexity. And we also need to identify what kind of stuff is required to complete this task. So we had a heated discussion in early summer, but how many staff were going to need, given the fact that many id professionals have fled from russia, it was said that no one is left now, and this will kill us of those will. And then it turned out there are still plenty of competent people left even too many, but they arent doing the work that needs to be done for the week. And what is exactly that they should be doing . I mean, they definitely should be dealing with the most important things at the expense of what trendy and many of these professionals continue focusing on the industry trends. Let me give you an example here when you draw 26 messenger apps in russia, what i love messengers dont get me wrong. I do not have a problem with them, but do we really need all the 26 of them when this country . Also, there are over 60 hostile Management Software systems registered in russia, 160 different medical database systems, meaning there is a separate system for almost every regional russia. And its obvious that the quality of the Software Solutions leaves much to be desired as they were a couple together in hurry, which are what do we really need this lecture when you go, besides, its taking up human resources. Welcome. We will never have enough available. I t professionals if we continue producing 60 similar Software Systems for hospital use when, if we draft a plan and think through the mechanism of allocating Government Funds for this, im sure we will be able to fill all over again over a very short period of time which definitely reduce exposure. Cyber threats, as well as that will go at it. If you said this side, the warfare is ongoing, with no serious steps have apparently been taken against russia. What did you mean and why is that . Which if you had to assess the state of events on a 1. 00 to 10. 00 scale, where would we be standing right now . Why not . No, it is obvious that all out cyber war has not been started against russia yet. Can you see it is technically impossible to disable russias infrastructure . The risk of smartphones being disabled is just one of the examples. There are many more to live, but we see that this is not happening. So were inclined to saying that no serious cyber warfare is being waged against russia for now when you were. But at the same time, the level of Cyber Threats has gone up within. We have not come close to the upper limit yet. It still cant be much worse unfortunately, because roches dependence and Foreign Software is still very high for more than how can russia defend itself should an all out cyber was you put it actually break out for the dimensions. What middle california searching and fast, as far as i know, we have been conducting cyber warfare drills of them over the past few years. The ministry of Digital Development has helped several simulation exercises in case russia gets cut off from the internet and major i t infrastructures. Also, they have been working on fortifying essential infrastructure, what they call critical information infrastructure, or c. I a good that should have helped bolster our defenses. I think that the oversee, they are in any statistics i can share. I do not have access to this type of classified information, but there has been some work done along these lines. But whether theres adequate or effective is not for me to judge thats good, but i do think a lot more could be done in terms of input substitution. As i see it, no cybersecurity tools can guarantee any lasting protection. If you continue to rely on foreign made infrastructure, there are no ways to ensure that your security tools, however good, would give good enough protection if you operate foreign hardware true. Therefore, the priorities to replace foreign Information Systems with our own. The 1000 wire goals will suppose the authorities here what you have to say and implements all the solutions you propose. How long would it take for us to reach a point where in your view, i, mrs. Jersey is at its highest. What is honey . Rosalind says they want granite, there will be different time lines for a different systems that are more, some can be fixed pretty quickly. For example, by using open source technology. But even there, we have seen cases of code poisoning where all sorts of bad doors or malicious messages were inserted into the open source code through the community. Even though these communities claim to be politically neutral. Now some systems are more difficult to improve maker, for example, our association of Software Developing Companies conducted its own analysis and came to the conclusion that we have major problems with Industrial Software in russia does not have enough specialized Industrial Software. I will not name specific categories of software is because the manufacturers might get upset with me. Weve got a handful of companies that work in this domain, but they are much small and less experienced compared to west and vendors. So they have no other option but to try and catch up. So at least weve got a foundation here because when it comes to Software Development and programming tools, or we use our foreign ones to go to. So this includes programming languages, development environments, systems and d planning frameworks. With this, we do not have anything of our own. All this isnt something you can quickly fix. It requires a systemic approach. How long will it take to build our wrong tools . Well, as they say, a journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step. We need to make plans and start doing something. Then we will course correct. Look at china, beijing has set a goal to completely replace all i see systems in the country with domestic products by 2025. China is steadily moving towards this goal here. I do not remember exactly what year the program was adopted. But i believe that by 2025, they will reach their goal. As long as you have a specific target, this is a solvable issue. A good system can done with 5 m if we sets all of these goals for ourselves. Could it be any downsides in some way . Were cutting ourselves off from the process of globalization on we rhythm can go, but is that set up with it . We know walk reply, zation is actually all about, we know what it stands for is, i suppose, if it worked like some kind of collective consciousness doing everything purely for the benefit of mankind. That would be a good thing. But with globalization comes competition, a Single Company or some country starts hugging the covers, so to speak, which leads to confrontation on finished project code poisoning threats. In the end, we have to make a choice for our country. The options we have right now are far from up to modeling, but for now i do not see russia choosing the part of globalization anytime soon as much as it and then the wrong bonus crispy of sky in the english language. Theres the term nuclear option. Weve talked a lot about smartphones been forcefully shut down boats from what i understand that is not the nuclear option. There are scenarios that will be much worse for russia. What is the worst Case Scenario young in the world . I do not think there will be one single blow against sarah countries i t infrastructure. Rather they will use a hybrid approach and carry out simultaneous attacks on multiple fronts using Information Warfare and shutting down various systems in order to destabilize the political situation. Were going if they could attempt to initiate regime change and impose outside control for us. It was expecting just one angle of attack would be nave in my eyes. There are many directions for a potential strike, but i suddenly hope our government is well aware of this. And is building up multiple layers of defense will receive company meet him, riddles for study, nuclear or lets just go back to the nuclear option. We all understand. There can be no victors in a nuclear war. A conceit like that would impact the entire world. Of course, does this logic extend to cyber warfare yet key, or what all can be going on . Right. This is the cyber warfare. Well, in that respect, russia can show the world a thing or 2. Even in the last, they say that russia has some of the most brilliant hackers in the world. And personally, my believe them when you so we can retaliate. No one wasnt kind of system naturally where all operating the same systems, the modern world is transparent and the technologies that we use they use as well. If they can hit us, we can head back to perhaps not as efficiently as the owners or producers of their operating systems since they have direct control over them. But we can certainly do some damage. Seamless you were born. You miss gloria lama. History tells us that whenever humanity came to the verge of nuclear war, and recall the cuban missile crisis, for example, the parties involved eventually realize the needs negotiates for solution calmly. Are there any parallels we can draw here . No credit . Mm hm. So, and shes the thought big old. No, no. Yes. The book back then common sense prevailed when it comes to cyberspace. There have been multiple attempts to create something analogous to international law, a universal code of conduct. The old countries would sign. So far this has not been done in early 2, thousands, many were actually trying to address this problem. But as we get closer to our present time, fewer and fewer attempts were being made that the key in recent years rush, her alone has been calling for the well to abstain from using saw the weapons from engaging in cyber warfare, et cetera are the nations. Meanwhile, have adopted a fast track approach and there are National Cyber strategies. For example, the u. S. I, mr. G says they can strike 1st if they have reasons to believe that a countrys pursuing some policy thats unfavourable for washington. They cant of south this, right . So are, are unlisted conducted a study to analyze the cyber is twisted use of different states. And it turned out that only 3 countries in the world support offensive cyber warfare. The united states, obviously, the United Kingdom and for some reason ukraine. All other countries, including russia, have defensive cyber strategies. Thats very telling them that it was, but he will thank you so much for talking to us. It was very informative to the phone from him. Thank you. Ah, ah, ah, move to no one. No, sir, no, no, no, no, no, no. What dawn was real to what they should end up. Unit 73. 1 was a unique organization in the history of the world. What they were trying to do was to simply do nothing short and build the most powerful and most deadly biological Weapons Program that the world had ever known. A production issue or sure, doug did that. Theyre not killed when you saw new rochelle, he one more more general manager thought this is meant against them all more. 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